covid vaccine

duncan61 wrote:
I just picked up the local news station while I was having lunch and the latest deal is the early vaccines are now useless against the new covid strain and we are all going to have to start over again

duncan61 wrote:My client yesterday shared with me that the masks are not to stop you getting infected its to try to help stop you spreading it if you have it.Made sense to me.

duncan61 wrote:
We are fortunate here as we are so remote from the rest of the world it is like its not happening to us I think New Zealand is similar.We had a mask wearing moment for a week and its not that bad.

duncan61 wrote:
NSW is under full lockdown as there is a whole bunch of cases and its getting worse.I live in Perth which is 41 hr (3,935.2 km) via National Highway A1 so not exactly local.We have shut our borders again.

duncan61 wrote:
I do not watch terrestrial TV it just was on while I was at a fish and chip place.

duncan61 wrote:
My client yesterday shared with me that the masks are not to stop you getting infected its to try to help stop you spreading it if you have it. Made sense to me.

duncan61 wrote:
We are fortunate here as we are so remote from the rest of the world it is like its not happening to us I think New Zealand is similar.We had a mask wearing moment for a week and its not that bad.

duncan61 wrote:
I would like to share 2 analogies
When the blitz started in WW2 the german bomber pilots very soon realized they could fly higher than the British 3 inch AA gun could shoot however the gunners still banged away at them probably to keep them up higher where they could not bomb accurately but also for the morale of the citizens of London who would hear the guns and think they are getting the bastards which they of course were not.

duncan61 wrote:
If the Government asks you to wear a surgical mask in public to try to stop a contagious virus from spreading is that 2 much to ask or are you better than everyone else

duncan61 wrote:
The second analogy is on 29 April 1996 a very disturbed young man went berserk with a Colt AR-15 (.223) and a L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle (.308);In a sleepy little town in Tasmania called Port Arthur and killed and wounded many tourists.The government responded by banning the sale and ownership of semi automatic firearms.I am on a gun forum and to this day some posters still go on about how unfair it is.I consider what else could the government of the day do.

duncan61 wrote:
I raise this query to the warming alarmist.O.K. its all true what are you going to do.Renewables do not work where is your solution?I would like to go on but will start a new topic

James___ wrote:Sweden took no precautions as a result of the pandemic. It's mortality rate was much higher than it's neighbors.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Sweden took no precautions as a result of the pandemic. It's mortality rate was much higher than it's neighbors.

Nope. GasGuzzler totally debunked this notion long ago.

https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/zombie-apocolypse-d6-e3157-s120.php#post_61663

Don't engage in selective memory.

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

keepit wrote:
I see the battle for the various delusions continues.
Anyhow, in my corner of the world, the question of to vaccinate or not to vaccinate continues. After my first mRNA vaccination i had minimal side effects. Nevertheless, i saw Dr. Fauci show some graphs that said that the increase in antibodies after the first dose of mRNA were moderate but within days after the second dose the antibodies increase dramatically. That dramatic increase is two sided - it increases immunity dramatically but it increases the possibility of side effects dramatically and that is my concern. I want more immunity but i don't want an increase in my autoimmune disease. Hence, my hesitancy to take the second dose. What do you think?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

keepit wrote:
I see the battle for the various delusions continues.

keepit wrote:
Anyhow, in my corner of the world, the question of to vaccinate or not to vaccinate continues. After my first mRNA vaccination i had minimal side effects.

keepit wrote:
Nevertheless, i saw Dr. Fauci show some graphs that said that the increase in antibodies after the first dose of mRNA were moderate but within days after the second dose the antibodies increase dramatically.

keepit wrote:
That dramatic increase is two sided - it increases immunity dramatically but it increases the possibility of side effects dramatically and that is my concern. I want more immunity but i don't want an increase in my autoimmune disease. Hence, my hesitancy to take the second dose. What do you think?

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Spongy Iris wrote:Don't viruses mutate?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 23, 2021
Contact: GovPress@wisconsin.gov


Gov. Evers Launches $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program to Encourage Wisconsinites to Get Vaccinated
Wisconsinites will receive $100 by getting vaccinated now through September 6
OSHKOSH — Gov. Tony Evers today with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services (DHS) announced Wisconsin residents who receive their first dose of any COVID-19 vaccine from a Wisconsin provider between August 20 and September 6 can collect a $100 Visa gift card. Wisconsinites ages 12 and older are eligible for the reward, and proof of insurance, I.D., or citizenship are not required to be eligible for the vaccine or to receive the $100 reward.

"As our kids start returning back to school, and with the Delta variant spreading rapidly across the state, we all need to step up and stop the spread, and our COVID-19 vaccines are the best tools we have to do just that," said Gov. Evers. "From now through Labor Day, if you're a Wisconsin resident and you get your first COVID-19 shot here in the state, you will get $100 bucks. It's that simple: get vaccinated, get $100. I'm calling on all eligible Wisconsinites who have not gotten their COVID-19 vaccine yet to step up, roll up their sleeve, and do their part to help protect our state and put an end to COVID-19."

In order to receive the $100 Visa gift card, Wisconsin residents will need to fill out the form available at 100.wisconsin.gov. Information submitted will be used to verify that individuals received their first vaccine dose from a vaccine provider located in Wisconsin between August 20 and September 6. Visa cards will be mailed to the individual's Wisconsin address and may take up to six weeks to be mailed to participants.

For more information on the reward program, visit the DHS $100 reward page or call 844-684-1064. Language assistance is available. To find a COVID-19 vaccine location in your community, visit Vaccines.gov or call 2-1-1 or 877-947-2211.

"COVID-19 is continuing to spread and mutate into highly transmissible variants like the Delta variant. Fortunately, the science and data are showing us that we can protect ourselves and our loved ones by getting vaccinated," said DHS Secretary-designee Karen Timberlake. "The vaccines are extremely safe. They are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death. And they are critical to protecting our kids, our healthcare workers, and the most vulnerable people in our state. Let's not give COVID-19 the opportunity to keep mutating: roll up your sleeve, get your vaccine, and claim your $100."

Many Wisconsinites face financial barriers to access the COVID-19 vaccine—factors such as transportation, childcare, or the inability to take time off from work which can make it difficult for many to get vaccinated. The $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program will provide some additional support to those wanting to get protected against COVID-19. In addition to this reward, Wisconsinites can call 2-1-1 to get assistance finding transportation. There are also some services being offered by national companies listed on the COVID-19 Vaccine Incentives webpage. For those who have been financially impacted by the pandemic, visit the COVID-19 Response Resources webpage for a list of available support services.

The $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program is part of the ongoing effort to stop the spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant by encouraging Wisconsinites to get vaccinated. Wisconsin continues to experience an increase of COVID-19 cases, driven by the Delta variant. The Delta variant is much more contagious than the original strain of COVID-19. With the original strain of COVID-19, an infected person was likely to infect two other people who are likely to infect two additional people for a total of six cases from one infection. With the Delta variant, an infected person is likely to infect five people which can lead to an approximate total of 30 cases from just one infection.

While vaccination is the most important layer of protection against COVID-19, with the high-level of disease transmission in Wisconsin, DHS is urging everyone to add more layers of protection including masking up indoors and staying home when feeling sick.

To stay up-to-date on COVID-19 and to learn more about how to stay protected, subscribe to the DHS COVID-19 Weekly Newsletter.

IBdaMann wrote:

Mutation occurs every time offspring are produced ... in every species.

A "variant" is just a different species and a variant of a COVID-19 variant is just a species different from a species different from COVID-19 and cannot be referred to as COVID-19 or as some "other instance" of COVID-19.

Of course, I used the word "species" which will undoubtedly get me into trouble with those who don't appreciate wording that implies one species evolves into another species. So let me think about how to best describe this without using that particular word. I'm open to suggestions.

Spongy Iris wrote:That is not how the CDC explains it...

Spongy Iris wrote:To quote from their website...

"Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur.

Spongy Iris wrote:If you think about a virus like a tree growing and branching out;

Spongy Iris wrote: At this point, the original variant that caused the initial COVID-19 cases in January 2020 is no longer circulating

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Don't viruses mutate?

gfm7175 wrote:
I'm going to share with everyone on this board the absolutely painful email that I just received...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 23, 2021
Contact: GovPress@wisconsin.gov


Gov. Evers Launches $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program to Encourage Wisconsinites to Get Vaccinated
Wisconsinites will receive $100 by getting vaccinated now through September 6
OSHKOSH — Gov. Tony Evers today with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services (DHS) announced Wisconsin residents who receive their first dose of any COVID-19 vaccine from a Wisconsin provider between August 20 and September 6 can collect a $100 Visa gift card. Wisconsinites ages 12 and older are eligible for the reward, and proof of insurance, I.D., or citizenship are not required to be eligible for the vaccine or to receive the $100 reward.

"As our kids start returning back to school, and with the Delta variant spreading rapidly across the state, we all need to step up and stop the spread, and our COVID-19 vaccines are the best tools we have to do just that," said Gov. Evers. "From now through Labor Day, if you're a Wisconsin resident and you get your first COVID-19 shot here in the state, you will get $100 bucks. It's that simple: get vaccinated, get $100. I'm calling on all eligible Wisconsinites who have not gotten their COVID-19 vaccine yet to step up, roll up their sleeve, and do their part to help protect our state and put an end to COVID-19."

In order to receive the $100 Visa gift card, Wisconsin residents will need to fill out the form available at 100.wisconsin.gov. Information submitted will be used to verify that individuals received their first vaccine dose from a vaccine provider located in Wisconsin between August 20 and September 6. Visa cards will be mailed to the individual's Wisconsin address and may take up to six weeks to be mailed to participants.

For more information on the reward program, visit the DHS $100 reward page or call 844-684-1064. Language assistance is available. To find a COVID-19 vaccine location in your community, visit Vaccines.gov or call 2-1-1 or 877-947-2211.

"COVID-19 is continuing to spread and mutate into highly transmissible variants like the Delta variant. Fortunately, the science and data are showing us that we can protect ourselves and our loved ones by getting vaccinated," said DHS Secretary-designee Karen Timberlake. "The vaccines are extremely safe. They are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death. And they are critical to protecting our kids, our healthcare workers, and the most vulnerable people in our state. Let's not give COVID-19 the opportunity to keep mutating: roll up your sleeve, get your vaccine, and claim your $100."

Many Wisconsinites face financial barriers to access the COVID-19 vaccine—factors such as transportation, childcare, or the inability to take time off from work which can make it difficult for many to get vaccinated. The $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program will provide some additional support to those wanting to get protected against COVID-19. In addition to this reward, Wisconsinites can call 2-1-1 to get assistance finding transportation. There are also some services being offered by national companies listed on the COVID-19 Vaccine Incentives webpage. For those who have been financially impacted by the pandemic, visit the COVID-19 Response Resources webpage for a list of available support services.

The $100 COVID-19 Vaccine Reward Program is part of the ongoing effort to stop the spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant by encouraging Wisconsinites to get vaccinated. Wisconsin continues to experience an increase of COVID-19 cases, driven by the Delta variant. The Delta variant is much more contagious than the original strain of COVID-19. With the original strain of COVID-19, an infected person was likely to infect two other people who are likely to infect two additional people for a total of six cases from one infection. With the Delta variant, an infected person is likely to infect five people which can lead to an approximate total of 30 cases from just one infection.

While vaccination is the most important layer of protection against COVID-19, with the high-level of disease transmission in Wisconsin, DHS is urging everyone to add more layers of protection including masking up indoors and staying home when feeling sick.

To stay up-to-date on COVID-19 and to learn more about how to stay protected, subscribe to the DHS COVID-19 Weekly Newsletter.

What a crock of ****ing shit... I hope we can get this illegally installed POS out of the governor's seat next year...

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Mutation occurs every time offspring are produced ... in every species.

A "variant" is just a different species and a variant of a COVID-19 variant is just a species different from a species different from COVID-19 and cannot be referred to as COVID-19 or as some "other instance" of COVID-19.

Of course, I used the word "species" which will undoubtedly get me into trouble with those who don't appreciate wording that implies one species evolves into another species. So let me think about how to best describe this without using that particular word. I'm open to suggestions.

That is not how the CDC explains it... To quote from their website...

Spongy Iris wrote:
"Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur...

Spongy Iris wrote:
If you think about a virus like a tree growing and branching out; each branch on the tree is slightly different than the others. By comparing the branches, scientists can label them according to the differences. These small differences, or variants, have been studied and identified since the beginning of the pandemic.

Spongy Iris wrote:
As the virus spreads, it has new opportunities to change and may become more difficult to stop. These changes can be monitored by comparing differences in physical traits (such as resistance to treatment) or changes in genetic code (mutations) from one variant to another.

At this point, the original variant that caused the initial COVID-19 cases in January 2020 is no longer circulating as newer variants have increased."

HarveyH55 wrote:
The offspring, regardless of reproductive process, aren't exact copies of the parent. There are exceptions, were a chunk of the parent breaks off, and develops into another. Variation, insures survival of the species. If all are exactly the same, they are equally vulnerable to the same adverse effects of their surroundings. Variations, will give a few, a slight advantage, but might also make them to more vulnerable to other things. It's not all, or nothing.

The variants of covid, are relatives. Depends on how you wish to package, and market the product. Variants, mutations, are great fear mongering terms. Mutations, are almost always fatal, or detrimental to survival. It's extremely rare, that a mutation, actually benefits the species. A more lethal virus, doesn't get as much chance to spread. Dead/ incapacitated hosts, don't wander around sharing their misery. A deadly virus is taken much more seriously. If covid was the deadly virus being hyped, we would be on lock-down. Those who test positive would be isolated, and buried/burned shortly after. It would be left on the honor system. Almost all the serious cases, are tied to pre-existing conditions. Not everyone is aware they have these issues.

Less-lethal, faster spreading variants are most successful, more common. The deadlier strains can compete as well, with host that have developed antibodies. Our immune response to an unknown is pretty much the same, high fever, sweat, coughing, sneezing, puking. Anything to get the damn thing out of the body. Works well enough for most any infection. If your are fighting a milder variant, the deadlier variant, will also be taken out, by that response. It's not a specific focused fight. It's the same response to most all infections. The antibodies will work, on anything that has the same characteristic key. Your cold antibodies, could potential help fight covid, if its a coronavirus...

Into the Night wrote:
Several towns are locking down again. **** these mayors and town councils.
I only shop in free Washington. I will not conduct business in a locked down town.

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Several towns are locking down again. **** these mayors and town councils.
I only shop in free Washington. I will not conduct business in a locked down town.

Good call.

On Sunday, I did some shopping in free Wisconsin. Besides a couple of people putting themselves inside fear prisons of their own making, everyone else acted like free individuals. I also went to a tractor pull the day before that (again, in free Wisconsin) and nobody bothered with putting themselves inside of a fear prison. In locked down Wisconsin, most everyone has the damn tyranny towel back on... It seems that a fair number of people here realize the stupidity of it, but they keep doing it anyway. It's annoying.

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Don't viruses mutate?

Only in a host. A covid19 mutating would no longer be covid19.

IBdaMann wrote:
Mutation occurs in the lytic/lysogenic process and virus species evolve that way.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Don't viruses mutate?

Only in a host. A covid19 mutating would no longer be covid19.

And when it mutates in a host, can it then jump to a new host?

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Mutation occurs in the lytic/lysogenic process and virus species evolve that way.

Do you think it would be an accurate interpretation of the CDC's definition of variant, to say, any virus which is reproduced (or replicated) from another virus is a variant?

James___ wrote:
If this is right, Israel just had 9,800 new cases of covid 19 in one day while their country is 80% inoculated over the age of 12. Who knows, the delta variant might require its own vaccine. It's time to buy stock in certain companies as this is a windfall for Big Pharma.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Don't viruses mutate?

Only in a host. A covid19 mutating would no longer be covid19.

And when it mutates in a host, can it then jump to a new host?

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Mutation occurs in the lytic/lysogenic process and virus species evolve that way.

Do you think it would be an accurate interpretation of the CDC's definition of variant, to say, any virus which is reproduced (or replicated) from another virus is a variant?

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
There is no such thing as a variant of a variant.

Why not? Please explain...

What's to explain? A different virus is a different virus. A different virus of the covid/SARS series is already a variant. It would not be a variant of covid19.

Don't viruses mutate?

Only in a host. A covid19 mutating would no longer be covid19.

And when it mutates in a host, can it then jump to a new host?

Mutations are almost always fatal flaws, and never survive to reproduce. The CDC is fear mongering, to encourage vaccination. Viruses mutate easily, but almost all of the mutations never leave the host. Those that that do, are very subtle, inconsequential differences. There is always some chance of a super-bug. But, there is a better chance of getting struck by lightning, or winning the lottery. Happens, but not very often. Aside from surviving mutations, the need to spread to a new host. Our immune system is at work, limited time. And most people try to avoid sharing.

Covid-19 is the name give the virus that crossed over from animal to human. Each variant the spread, is given it's own name, but is still related to covid-19. Some here want to play the semantics game. It's just keeping a family tree for the virus. The variants aren't really much different, but useful for fear mongering. 'spreads' 70% faster"... How in the hell can they determine the rate? They use percentages to blur the reality, since they never give the actual number of cases. The spread, really isn't a function of the virus, but the sloppy behavior of the humans...

HarveyH55 wrote:


Mutations are almost always fatal flaws, and never survive to reproduce. The CDC is fear mongering, to encourage vaccination. Viruses mutate easily, but almost all of the mutations never leave the host. Those that that do, are very subtle, inconsequential differences. There is always some chance of a super-bug. But, there is a better chance of getting struck by lightning, or winning the lottery. Happens, but not very often. Aside from surviving mutations, the need to spread to a new host. Our immune system is at work, limited time. And most people try to avoid sharing.

Covid-19 is the name give the virus that crossed over from animal to human. Each variant the spread, is given it's own name, but is still related to covid-19. Some here want to play the semantics game. It's just keeping a family tree for the virus. The variants aren't really much different, but useful for fear mongering. 'spreads' 70% faster"... How in the hell can they determine the rate? They use percentages to blur the reality, since they never give the actual number of cases. The spread, really isn't a function of the virus, but the sloppy behavior of the humans...

Florida once again broke a coronavirus death toll record as its case count soared past 3 million Friday. The state logged 150,740 new COVID-19 cases and 1,486 deaths among residents over the past week, more than it ever has.

That's more than any other state, data reported Friday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2021/08/20/covid-florida-shattering-new-records-deaths/8214404002/