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HarveyH55 wrote:Evidence of what? The same three people take their off-topic arguments from thread-to-thread, burying the origin thread, in the same crap, si basically, there is only that personal argument throughout the site?

Climate change, is entirely opinion. We don't get to travel back in time, to make actual measurements and observations. And we don't get to travel into the future, to see if our speculations were correct. My opinion, is just as valid as 'expert' opinion, because that is all there is to this issue. What people believed happened in the distant past, and what might happen in the distant future. Me producing any sort of evidence, would be just regurgitating somebody else's opinion, interpretation.

keepit wrote:
"Death by covud", "death with covid".
Always with the semantics.

GasGuzzler wrote:

keepit wrote:
"Death by covud", "death with covid".
Always with the semantics.

A man is eating a Hershey bar and has a heart attack. He falls over dead.

Option 1. Death BY chocolate.
Option 2. Death WITH chocolate.
Option 3. Keepit is a dumbass.

Hint: There are actually 2 correct answers.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
I've studied enough science to take the opinion of legitimate scientists seriously. Their evidence is what i call evidence.
What you are doing is denying that what scientists say is really science. I think they call that science denial and that is what so many on this site accuse other people of doing.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
I've studied enough science to take the opinion of legitimate scientists seriously. Their evidence is what i call evidence.
What you are doing is denying that what scientists say is really science. I think they call that science denial and that is what so many on this site accuse other people of doing.

duncan61 wrote:

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
I've studied enough science to take the opinion of legitimate scientists seriously. Their evidence is what i call evidence.
What you are doing is denying that what scientists say is really science. I think they call that science denial and that is what so many on this site accuse other people of doing.

This is the point entirely.We are not believing the data presented as it is being coerced and the scientists who put forward genuine observations are ignored.The Micheal Mann trials prove he made it up but the IPCC still went with it.So all data is tainted.When it happens I might care a little

keepit wrote:
Almost all scientist believe the research so why don't you?
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

keepit wrote:
Almost all scientist believe the research so why don't you?

keepit wrote:
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

keepit wrote:
Almost all scientist believe the research so why don't you?
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

keepit wrote:
Almost all scientist believe the research so why don't you?
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

Did any of those books happen to offer up a valid definition for "climate change"?

duncan61 wrote:

keepit wrote:
Almost all scientist believe the research so why don't you?
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

This is the problem.Not all scientist agree on the impact it will have.

IBdaMann wrote:
Doctors are correctly writing "Death *WITH* COVID-19" and that is not lying. No doctor is being told to write "Death *BY* COVID-19"

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...did you bother to read the footnotes, under the first graph? The second on, is pretty much as posted earlier, where any death, that had any possible relation to Covid-19, ....

Here are the guidelines from the CDC for you Harvey as it is an interesting question:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/COVID-19-guidelines-final.pdf

"c) Acute respiratory illness due to COVID-19
(i) Pneumonia
For a pneumonia case confirmed as due to the 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19),
assign codes U07.1, COVID-19, ..."

So the code is "U07.1" for respritory distress death that the doctor actually think is cause by Covid-19 in a patient that has the virus.

You can see the death count for "U07.1" here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The leading causes of death in the country are heart disease and cancer. So no, people who die from heart attacks or cancer, even if they do test positive for Covid-19, would not get code "U07.1" for respritory distress death.

The US total for COVID-19 "U07.1" respritory distress deaths specifically is 62,515. In New York it is 15,757. That is 70% of the 22,619 that is reported.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:
I read 5 books on climate change so i have some knowledge.

Did any of those books happen to offer up a valid definition for "climate change"?

Great question. Your account has been credited.

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gfm7175 wrote:I'm now carrying quite a few of these suckers around, and my wings are getting rather heavy from all the "winning"... Anything I can redeem these points for?

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:I'm now carrying quite a few of these suckers around, and my wings are getting rather heavy from all the "winning"... Anything I can redeem these points for?

Sure, the redemption catalog is extensive. What would you like and how many points are you looking to spend?

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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Doctors are correctly writing "Death *WITH* COVID-19" and that is not lying. No doctor is being told to write "Death *BY* COVID-19"

You just made that up IBD. I actually took the trouble to find the actual instructions earlier:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...did you bother to read the footnotes, under the first graph? The second on, is pretty much as posted earlier, where any death, that had any possible relation to Covid-19, ....

Here are the guidelines from the CDC for you Harvey as it is an interesting question:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/COVID-19-guidelines-final.pdf

"c) Acute respiratory illness due to COVID-19
(i) Pneumonia
For a pneumonia case confirmed as due to the 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19),
assign codes U07.1, COVID-19, ..."

So the code is "U07.1" for respritory distress death that the doctor actually think is cause by Covid-19 in a patient that has the virus.

You can see the death count for "U07.1" here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The leading causes of death in the country are heart disease and cancer. So no, people who die from heart attacks or cancer, even if they do test positive for Covid-19, would not get code "U07.1" for respritory distress death.

The US total for COVID-19 "U07.1" respritory distress deaths specifically is 62,515. In New York it is 15,757. That is 70% of the 22,619 that is reported.

So IBD what do you imagine the patients coded with U07.1 are actually dying of? The usually leading causes of death? Heart Disease mistaken for pneumonia perhaps?
Don't worry everyone, IBD says it's a hoax, so he faked it. Probably committed suicide to help China lie about Covid. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52897017

Doctors are not liars or cowards across the board. It's an absurd conspiracy theory. But then most are.

gfm7175 wrote:I want to redeem however many bonus points I happen to have towards paying off the debt for my carbon sins that I drop onto people's vehicles.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:I want to redeem however many bonus points I happen to have towards paying off the debt for my carbon sins that I drop onto people's vehicles.

Done! Great news, the University of Wisconsin is holding a promotion on their official personal Global Warming reduction kits. Shipping is covered as well.

One is on its way to you. Be sure to rate the product BEFORE you use it.

tgoebbles wrote:Doctors are not liars or cowards across the board. It's an absurd conspiracy theory. But then most are.

IBdaMann wrote:

tgoebbles wrote:Doctors are not liars or cowards across the board. It's an absurd conspiracy theory. But then most are.

I have bad news. George Floyd's death was a "COVID death." What's all this talk about the police being responsible?

It's in the ME's report. Sorry.

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HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tgoebbles wrote:Doctors are not liars or cowards across the board. It's an absurd conspiracy theory. But then most are.

I have bad news. George Floyd's death was a "COVID death." What's all this talk about the police being responsible?

It's in the ME's report. Sorry.

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Tested positive in April, should have been over it. If he actually had it. Heard that some of those bad test kits, are still being used.

HarveyH55 wrote:
The doctors and coroners aren't lying at all. Might be a little lazy and incompetent at times. It takes a lot of hours of hard work, to find the precise cause of death, even then it could have been several failures, just pick one. No Medical Examiner's office can expend the resources needed, to thoroughly examine each, and every dead body, pandemic, or just normal times. The government and CDC set in place guidelines for reporting deaths, since it's not really that important to know the precise cause, in most cases. Their dead, knowing the details, isn't going to bring them back to life. We already know there is a pandemic, and lots of people dying of respiratory distress, or related issue, because of pre-existing conditions. The patients landed in the hospital, because of an infection. Regardless of if it was a heart attack, stroke, or some other organ failure. Being infected, was likely what accelerated the condition. People are generally lazy, and the guideline they are handed, just make it simpler to avoid work. They have a huge stack of cases to review, they guidelines let them focus on the more pressing issues. There are still plenty of non-Covid-19 deaths to work on too.

tmiddles wrote:
What I've been hoping to find has finally appeared: A true A/B test on Covid response.
FORBES: Sweden's Gamble On Coronavirus: Has It Paid Off?

Sweden decided to not lockdown/stay-at-home and go for herd immunity. Ooops!

Keepit wrote:Sweden made a bad mistake betting on herd immunity even if herd immunity proves to be effective, which it may not.. Herd immunity is defined as approximately 70% of the people being immune. Sweden is at 20% right now. A lot of people are going to die on the way to 70% immunity (herd immunity). They should regroup on that decision.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Sweden population density-64 people per sq mile.
Mississippi population density-63.7 people per sq mile.

GasGuzzler wrote:Well, it would seem that some solid results are in. I don't think any covid death numbers are worth a squirt of piss, but case numbers may hold SOME weight.

I went searching for a state that had the same population density as Sweden for comparison and I came up with Mississippi. I wanted to compare the stats and the results were a bit eye popping.

Sweden population density-64 people per sq mile.
Mississippi population density-63.7 people per sq mile.

Sweden covid lockdown-virtually none, bars restaurants, schools open
Mississippi covid lockdown-full stay at home through May

Sweden mask mandate-none
Mississippi mask mandate-yes, in all public places punishable by $500 fine/6 months in jail.

Sweden total population-10 million
Mississippi total population-2.97 million

The eye poppers....

Sweden covid cases per million residents-8,406
Mississippi covid cases per million residents-28,876

Sweden total cases-84,985
Mississippi total cases-85,939

So Sweden and Mississippi are nearly identical in pop density and nearly opposite in their approach to covid. Sweden is the clear winner in my opinion.

Masks won't stop the virus and 6 feet won't either. Can we wise up and open up now please?

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
Sweden population density-64 people per sq mile.
Mississippi population density-63.7 people per sq mile.

...deleted lame cop out IAW tmiddles ordinance #1...

keepit wrote:the us and the us has been one of the least fortunate countries in the world regarding covid.

keepit wrote: IBD, ??

keepit wrote:
Tmid,
Comparing sweden to comparable countries was a good point. I'm glad someone did. Mississippi has been one of the least fortunate states in the us and the us has been one of the least fortunate countries in the world regarding covid.

keepit wrote:
Tmid,
Comparing sweden to comparable countries was a good point. I'm glad someone did. Mississippi has been one of the least fortunate states in the us and the us has been one of the least fortunate countries in the world regarding covid.