covid vaccine

keepit wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the covid vaccine.

keepit wrote:
Has anyone here gotten the vaccine and if so, which one?

keepit wrote:I'm thinking about getting the covid vaccine. Has anyone here gotten the vaccine and if so, which one?

keepit wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the covid vaccine. Has anyone here gotten the vaccine and if so, which one?

keepit wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the covid vaccine. Has anyone here gotten the vaccine and if so, which one?

James___ wrote:From what is said in the media it is the unvaccinated people creating the uptick in Covid 19 cases.

James___ wrote:They say it is the variant that they're getting.

I must have drawn the "control group" card in this whole human medical experiment.

Spongy Iris wrote:
My wife and daughter both got Pfizer and Moderna vaccines about a month ago. My wife is scheduled for second shot next week.

I wound up getting sick coincidentally after they got vaccinated, and lost my sense of smell for a day. Still have some mild lingering symptoms. Must be that "spike protein" is very sticky.

Coincidentally all 5 in our house got mildly sick after they both got injected.

I think the viral RNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines replicates enough to be contagious...

Spongy Iris wrote:
My wife and daughter both got Pfizer and Moderna vaccines about a month ago. My wife is scheduled for second shot next week.

I wound up getting sick coincidentally after they got vaccinated, and lost my sense of smell for a day. Still have some mild lingering symptoms. Must be that "spike protein" is very sticky.

Coincidentally all 5 in our house got mildly sick after they both got injected.

I think the viral RNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines replicates enough to be contagious...

Xadoman wrote:You got lucky gambling with your health. Next time I recommend gambling only with money.

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote:You got lucky gambling with your health. Next time I recommend gambling only with money.

I didn't really have much of a choice. I was put in a position whereby my job and my family's well-being would be in serious jeopardy if I were to not get vaccinated. When it comes to that kind of risk, my backbone gives out to the government pressure. I hate it, but I need to pick my battles and I don't believe I can jeopardize my family to that extent over a government control exercise. The government is normally going to win those.

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Xadoman wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
My wife and daughter both got Pfizer and Moderna vaccines about a month ago. My wife is scheduled for second shot next week.

I wound up getting sick coincidentally after they got vaccinated, and lost my sense of smell for a day. Still have some mild lingering symptoms. Must be that "spike protein" is very sticky.

Coincidentally all 5 in our house got mildly sick after they both got injected.

I think the viral RNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines replicates enough to be contagious...

Yes, quite obviously vaxxed people are shedding the "spike protein". Remember how they said that the vaccine would only stay in the jab spot and most people would belive this nonsensial idea that the vaccine is somehow " trapped" in this spot. That is a really stupid idea I must say. Also, our body is constantly removing poisons using every way possible. We exhale poisons, we sweat them etc etc. Those poisonous particles will eventually float around in the air.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:From what is said in the media it is the unvaccinated people creating the uptick in Covid 19 cases.

... therefore we can safely assume that there is no uptick in COVID-19 cases and that we are supposed to socially ostracise people who won't participate in the illegal human experiment.

James___ wrote:They say it is the variant that they're getting.

... therefore we can safely assume that there is no such thing as any "variant" of any concern.

Xadoman wrote:
I have a theory that those who are very good in math could fall for the number and statistics scam. They are going to see some kind of patterns in numbers and make bad desicions from those randomly pulled numbers.

James___ wrote:

keepit wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the covid vaccine. Has anyone here gotten the vaccine and if so, which one?

I got the vaccine and not the illness. From what is said in the media it is the unvaccinated people creating the uptick in Covid 19 cases. They say it is the variant that they're getting.

Xadoman wrote:

I must have drawn the "control group" card in this whole human medical experiment.

You got lucky gambling with your health.

Xadoman wrote:
Next time I recommend gambling only with money.

Xadoman wrote:
Also, it blows my mind that intelligent people like IbdaMann and James went along with this quite obvious scam and got themselves vaccinated. I simply do not understand how is this all possible. I have a theory that those who are very good in math could fall for the number and statistics scam. They are going to see some kind of patterns in numbers and make bad desicions from those randomly pulled numbers.

Xadoman wrote:
The second smartest man in the world - Rick Rosner - is quite obviously pro vaccination judging from his twitter.

Xadoman wrote:
The smartest man in the world - Chris Langan- is quite obviously against vaccination. He said he is going to inflict some serious physical pain to those who are going to force one of those jabs on him. Vaccination by force is assault. He should defend himself.
[quote]Xadoman wrote:
Keepit, do not let yourself jabbed. Some of those who got jabbed have died within minutes. Some have lost legs or parts of their intestines. Some need a heart transpant. The list goes on and on. It is a gamble and you can only lose in this game.

Xadoman wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
My wife and daughter both got Pfizer and Moderna vaccines about a month ago. My wife is scheduled for second shot next week.

I wound up getting sick coincidentally after they got vaccinated, and lost my sense of smell for a day. Still have some mild lingering symptoms. Must be that "spike protein" is very sticky.

Coincidentally all 5 in our house got mildly sick after they both got injected.

I think the viral RNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines replicates enough to be contagious...

Yes, quite obviously vaxxed people are shedding the "spike protein". Remember how they said that the vaccine would only stay in the jab spot and most people would belive this nonsensial idea that the vaccine is somehow " trapped" in this spot. That is a really stupid idea I must say. Also, our body is constantly removing poisons using every way possible. We exhale poisons, we sweat them etc etc. Those poisonous particles will eventually float around in the air.

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote:You got lucky gambling with your health. Next time I recommend gambling only with money.

I didn't really have much of a choice. I was put in a position whereby my job and my family's well-being would be in serious jeopardy if I were to not get vaccinated. When it comes to that kind of risk, my backbone gives out to the government pressure. I hate it, but I need to pick my battles and I don't believe I can jeopardize my family to that extent over a government control exercise. The government is normally going to win those.

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Xadoman wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote:You got lucky gambling with your health. Next time I recommend gambling only with money.

I didn't really have much of a choice. I was put in a position whereby my job and my family's well-being would be in serious jeopardy if I were to not get vaccinated. When it comes to that kind of risk, my backbone gives out to the government pressure. I hate it, but I need to pick my battles and I don't believe I can jeopardize my family to that extent over a government control exercise. The government is normally going to win those.

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Understandable. Many people already are in this situation or will be in the nearest future if they want to continue to live normal life.

Into the Night wrote:So...you got vaccinated because your employer broke the law.

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:From what is said in the media it is the unvaccinated people creating the uptick in Covid 19 cases.

... therefore we can safely assume that there is no uptick in COVID-19 cases and that we are supposed to socially ostracise people who won't participate in the illegal human experiment.

James___ wrote:They say it is the variant that they're getting.

... therefore we can safely assume that there is no such thing as any "variant" of any concern.

Indeed. What gets me is that COVID-19 is already a variant (of SARS), but now we're being told that the Midterm variant (or the "Delta variant", as the media refers to it) is a variant of a variant?

I suspect that the COVID-19 "name brand" is being retained because it is the "name brand" that people are very familiar with and it gins up the most fear.

Oh, and let me add one more tidbit to James' list... the media also says that [insert a very high percentage here, I've personally seen 98% being used] of people who are coming down with COVID are "unvaccinated individuals". Therefore, we can safely assume that "vaccinated individuals" are still coming down with COVID at a "higher than expected" rate.

Here are just some of the experiments that have been done on the common cold / flu. Many studies like this have been done in other diseases like measles and chicken pox as well, and they have not been able to prove viral causation or contagion.

In March of 1919 Rosenau & Keegan conducted 9 separate experiments in a group of 49 healthy men, to prove contagion. In all 9 experiments, 0/49 men became sick after being exposed to sick people or the bodily fluids of sick people.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687

In November 1919, 8 separate experiments were conducted by Rosenau et al. in a group of 62 men trying to prove that influenza is contagious and causes disease. In all 8 experiments, 0/62 men became sick.

Another set of 8 experiments were undertaken in December of 1919 by McCoy et al. in 50 men to try and prove contagion. Once again, all 8 experiments failed to prove people with influenza, or their bodily fluids cause illness. 0/50 men became sick.

In 1919, Wahl et al. conducted 3 separate experiments to infect 6 healthy men with influenza by exposing them to mucous secretions and lung tissue from sick people. 0/6 men contracted influenza in any of the three studies.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

In 1920, Schmidt et al conducted two controlled experiments, exposing healthy people to the bodily fluids of sick people. Of 196 people exposed to the mucous secretions of sick people, 21 (10.7%) developed colds and three developed grippe (1.5%). In the second group, of the 84 healthy people exposed to mucous secretions of sick people, five developed grippe (5.9%) and four colds (4.7%). Of forty-three controls who had been inoculated with sterile physiological salt solutions eight (18.6%) developed colds. A higher percentage of people got sick after being exposed to saline compared to those being exposed to the "virus".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951

In 1921, Williams et al. tried to experimentally infect 45 healthy men with the common cold and influenza, by exposing them to mucous secretions from sick people. 0/45 became ill.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/

In 1924, Robertson & Groves exposed 100 healthy individuals to the bodily secretions from 16 different people suffering from influenza. The authors concluded that 0/100 became sick as a result of being exposed to the bodily secretions.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/34/4/400/832936?redirectedFrom=fulltext

In 1930, Dochez et al. attempted to infect a group of men experimentally with the common cold. The authors stated in their results, something that is nothing short of amazing.

"It was apparent very early that this individual was more or less unreliable and from the start it was possible to keep him in the dark regarding our procedure. He had inconspicuous symptoms after his test injection of sterile broth and no more striking results from the cold filtrate, until an assistant, on the second day after injection, inadvertently referred to this failure to contract a cold.

That evening and night the subject reported severe symptomatology, including sneezing, cough, sore throat and stuffiness in the nose. The next morning he was told that he had been misinformed in regard to the nature of the filtrate and his symptoms subsided within the hour. It is important to note that there was an entire absence of objective pathological changes".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869798/

In 1937 Burnet & Lush conducted an experiment exposing 200 healthy people to bodily secretions from people infected with influenza. 0/200 became sick.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2065253/

In 1940, Burnet and Foley tried to experimentally infect 15 university students with influenza. The authors concluded their experiment was a failure.

In 1905, Ludvig Hektoen reports that he was able to successfully infect two healthy people with the blood of infected measles patients(1). It should be noted that the blood was mixed with other substances, such as ascites fluid before it was injected. This experiment is considered to be the best evidence that proves beyond any doubt that the measles virus causes disease(2). There are few specific details about the signs and symptoms that these patients actually exhibited, so there is some doubt as to whether they really had measles(3).

In 1915, Charles Herman swabbed the nasal mucosa of 40 infants with cotton buds covered in the nasal secretions of infected measles patients. The majority of the infants had no reaction, 15 infants had a slight rise in body temperature and a "few" were said to develop some red spots on their skin. At 1 year of age, 4 of these infants had intimate contact with infected people. None of the infants became sick and this is said to be due to the infants having "immunity"(4).

In 1919, Sellards tried to inoculate 8 healthy men (with no previous exposure to measles) with the blood of measles patients, using the same methods as Hektoen. None of the men became sick(3,5). It is interesting reading the authors commentary, where he describes how he intensified his efforts to try and infect the patients, but was still unable to infect them. A few weeks later, the volunteers were exposed to an infected measles case, yet none of them became sick. Nasal secretions were then taken from measles patients and syringed up in to the nasal passages of the healthy participants. None became sick(3,5).

Sellards also conducted another experiment to try and infect another 2 healthy human volunteers with measles by injecting them subcutaneously and intramuscularly with the blood of two infected patients. Neither man became sick(3,5).

In 1919, Alfred Hess makes a comment about Sellards results. He states "It is remarkable that Sellards was unable to produce this highly infectious disease by means of the blood or nasal secretions of infected individuals, not long ago I was confronted with a similar experience with chicken pox". He then goes on to say "Thus we are confronted with two diseases, the two most infectious of the endemic diseases in this part of the world, which we are unable to transmit artificially from man to man"(10).

In 1924, Harry Bauguess wrote a paper and stated "A careful search of the literature does not reveal a case in which the blood from a patient having measles was injected into the blood stream of another person and produced measles". He reports two cases where he observed people contract measles from blood transfusions.

In one case a critically ill 9-month-old child received a blood transfusion from her mother, who was in perfect health. Approximately 13 days later, the child developed a rash and the diagnosis of measles was made. The child then developed bronchopneumonia and died about 10 days later. Bauguess explains that the reason why the child contracted measles, was because two days after the transfusion, the mother developed measles. It was concluded the child contracted measles from the mothers blood(6).

In a second case, Bauguess reports another critically ill child who was 3-months-old receiving a blood transfusion. The mother was in perfect health at the time of the transfusion. The child seemed to be recovering, however about 10 days later the child began to become ill again and developed a rash, which was diagnosed as measles. Just like the previous case, two days after the transfusion, the mother developed measles. It was said that the child contracted measles from the mothers blood(6).

References:
2. Degkwitz R. The Etiology of Measles. J Infect Dis. 1927;41(4):304-316. doi:10.1093/infdis/41.4.304
3. SELLARDS AW. A REVIEW OF THE INVESTIGATIONS CONCERNING THE ETIOLOGY OF MEASLES. Medicine (Baltimore). 1924;3(2):99-136. doi:10.1097/00005792-192403020-00001
4. Herman C. Immunization against measles. Arch Pediat. 1915;32(503).
5. Sellards A. Insusceptibility of man to inoculation with blood from measles patients. Bull Johns Hopkins Hosp. 1919;257.
6. BAUGUESS H. MEASLES TRANSMITTED BY BLOOD TRANSFUSION. Am J Dis Child. 1924;27(3):256. doi:10.1001/archpedi.1924.01920090061007

Here are just some of the experiments that have been done on the common cold / flu.

Many studies like this have been done in other diseases like measles and chicken pox as well,

and they have not been able to prove viral causation or contagion.

In March of 1919 Rosenau & Keegan conducted 9 separate experiments in a group of 49 healthy men, to prove contagion.

In all 9 experiments, 0/49 men became sick after being exposed to sick people or the bodily fluids of sick people.

In November 1919, 8 separate experiments were conducted by Rosenau et al. in a group of 62 men trying to prove that influenza is contagious and causes disease.

In all 8 experiments, 0/62 men became sick.

Another set of 8 experiments were undertaken in December of 1919 by McCoy et al. in 50 men to try and prove contagion.

Once again, all 8 experiments failed to prove people with influenza, or their bodily fluids cause illness. 0/50 men became sick.

In 1919, Wahl et al. conducted 3 separate experiments to infect 6 healthy men with influenza by exposing them to mucous secretions and lung tissue from sick people. 0/6 men contracted influenza in any of the three studies.

"CONTROL EXPERIMENT - PREPAREDNESS 2021"

*The first scientific evidence in 2021 that viruses do not exist*

So, at the beginning of the preparation for the experiment in virology, virologists usually take a part of the body from the animal. That part of the body that is cut off is called tissue. During the experiment, the tissue is tormented with the aim of crushing the tissue into small pieces that should represent the alleged cells. Thus, the first part of torture is the formation of fragmented tissues that are "expertly" called Cell Cultures.



After the preparation for the experiment in virology, the beginning of the experiment follows. At the very beginning of the experiment, we will skip one important step, and that is the insertion of the alleged infectious material, e.g. from the throat of a man (throat swab). Why are we doing this? If the result of this experiment is an alleged "viral" damage, we will dispute the result because we did not insert any alleged "virus" (swab from human throat).



At the very beginning of the experiment, virologists poison the cell cultures and starve them. Due to one such anti-scientific procedure, "cells" in "cell cultures" are damaged and merge with each other. That's it! Interconnected cells are interpreted as the presence of a virus! An important point that I emphasize again is that during this experiment, no material from the allegedly "infected" person was inserted.



Conclusion: CPE or cytopathic effect is the fusion of "cells" caused by antibiotic poisoning and starvation by about 80%. CPE is not evidence of a crazy fantasy about the existence of an alleged dangerous alleged viral particle.



The CPE is the evidence for the claim:



1. Viruses do not exist!

2. Infectious viral material (from throat swab) does not exist!

HarveyH55 wrote:
Not sure how the studies were conducted, or how the materials were handled in ancient times. Couldn't find more recent works?

If what I was taught in high school and college about viruses and human anatomy is all false. I probably wouldn't have been so successful in not catch cold or covid... Exposure, doesn't guaranty infection. A virus has a hostile road to travel, before finding it's way into a cell, to infect. The experiments you quoted, could just as easily been designed to fail. Science is learning. Unfortunately, what is learned, isn't always applied ethically.

Lockdowns, fake panic, government coups, and shortages is not a normal life.

Xadoman wrote:IbdaMann, those were 100 years old experiments that falsified the virus theory.

Someone mentioned the medical bills that we have incurred due to this. The most expensive "free shot" ever. This has cost me time, my health, and money. Besides this forum, I haven't seen these side effects listed. I doubt that any research will be published about this for quite a while.

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:So...you got vaccinated because your employer broke the law.

Sure ... but I would rather the excuse place some of the blame on me as well. I bowed to government tyranny rather than fight it because of fear of what might/would happen to my family mostly. This would be a completely different story were I a single man with no children.

I totally resent everything about our government's tyranny on this matter, yet I only pay lip service to my cause and I don't take any sort of action that counts. If anyone wants to call me a coward or a sheep, I would definitely deserve it.

So yes, my employment practically caters to government tyranny, much to my chagrin, because it is totally dependent on the whims of the government.


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Xadoman wrote:

Into The Night wrote:
Lockdowns, fake panic, government coups, and shortages is not a normal life.

What would you do if the goverment makes the vaccination mandatory for everyone? Are you going to get the jab?

Xadoman wrote:
IbdaMann, those were 100 years old experiments that falsified the virus theory.

Also:

"CONTROL EXPERIMENT - PREPAREDNESS 2021"

*The first scientific evidence in 2021 that viruses do not exist*

So, at the beginning of the preparation for the experiment in virology, virologists usually take a part of the body from the animal. That part of the body that is cut off is called tissue. During the experiment, the tissue is tormented with the aim of crushing the tissue into small pieces that should represent the alleged cells. Thus, the first part of torture is the formation of fragmented tissues that are "expertly" called Cell Cultures.



After the preparation for the experiment in virology, the beginning of the experiment follows. At the very beginning of the experiment, we will skip one important step, and that is the insertion of the alleged infectious material, e.g. from the throat of a man (throat swab). Why are we doing this? If the result of this experiment is an alleged "viral" damage, we will dispute the result because we did not insert any alleged "virus" (swab from human throat).



At the very beginning of the experiment, virologists poison the cell cultures and starve them. Due to one such anti-scientific procedure, "cells" in "cell cultures" are damaged and merge with each other. That's it! Interconnected cells are interpreted as the presence of a virus! An important point that I emphasize again is that during this experiment, no material from the allegedly "infected" person was inserted.



Conclusion: CPE or cytopathic effect is the fusion of "cells" caused by antibiotic poisoning and starvation by about 80%. CPE is not evidence of a crazy fantasy about the existence of an alleged dangerous alleged viral particle.



The CPE is the evidence for the claim:



1. Viruses do not exist!

2. Infectious viral material (from throat swab) does not exist!

As you can see, no infectious material needed!!!

Xadoman wrote:

Lockdowns, fake panic, government coups, and shortages is not a normal life.

What would you do if the goverment makes the vaccination mandatory for everyone?

Xadoman wrote:
Are you going to get the jab?

Into the Night wrote:

Xadoman wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Lockdowns, fake panic, government coups, and shortages is not a normal life.

What would you do if the goverment makes the vaccination mandatory for everyone?

Not possible. A revolt would occur.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I'd don't see quitting my job over a vaccination.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Don't really believe it will come to that.

HarveyH55 wrote:
They've been bare minimal to comply with local mandates for business.

HarveyH55 wrote:
They provide mask for free, for those who want/need them.

HarveyH55 wrote:
We've always had hand sanitizer stations.

HarveyH55 wrote:
They just keep them fill, most of the time now.

HarveyH55 wrote:
They've always offered free annual flu shots on site, for those who want them.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I can see them offering the covid shot, but not forcing them.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Joe, is going to total screw himself, and the democrat party... He want's to go door-to-door, and convince people, and do the shot, at their homes.

HarveyH55 wrote:
He wants to reinstate mask mandates,

HarveyH55 wrote:
to peer-pressure people into getting vaccinated.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Piss off the people he promised 'normal', to get them to twist arms. He want's to ban menthol cigarettes, because tobacco companies targeted the brown and black (racist?). Women favor menthol too... A ban, is going to piss off a lot of addicted people. Think it's just more talk, no action, democrat crap...

SPIKING THOSE CELLS
Once an mRNA vaccine is injected into the body, the vast majority of the LNP-coated particles are absorbed by dendritic cells, which roam the extracellular space and can be regarded as the sentinels of the immune system. Within the dendritic cell the mRNA string is released, where it is ultimately processed by the ribosomes as any other mRNA string that originates from the cell's nucleus. This results in the production of e.g. the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which the dendritic cell will then expose on its membrane to B and T cells.


Schematic working of an mRNA vaccine. (Credit: Jmarchn – CC BY-SA 3.0)
Important to note here is that these are not the exact same mRNA strings that would originate from the nucleus, as the cell's defensive systems monitor the intrusion of foreign RNA. This is circumvented through nucleoside-modified mRNA (modRNA), in which nucleosides are swapped for synthetic analogs. This does not affect the handling by the ribosomes. In the case of CureVac's SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine, the use of unmodified mRNA strings is likely the reason why in trials it showed very low efficacy that currently prevent it from being a viable vaccine.

Based on the data, especially from the Moderna and BioNTech-Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines, we can deduce that the combination of the LNP coating and modRNA is what makes it as effective as it is. Another interesting recent finding by Jackson S. Turner et al. was that these mRNA vaccines also trigger B cells into forming germinal centers, which are effectively training grounds for B cells that promote a long-term memorization and thus immunity to a specific antigen.

ADDRESSING AUTOIMMUNE CONDITIONS
When it comes to disadvantages of an adaptive immune system, one can definitely point to autoimmune conditions. These involve T and B cells produced by the body which react to self-proteins, meaning the proteins that normally make up one's own body. Autoimmune conditions range from type 1 diabetes to lupus, each involving a specific type or types of self-proteins that are attacked by our own immune systems.

Normally, after T and B cells are formed in the bone marrow, their cell receptors are randomly arranged through V(D)J recombination to give them the widest possible range. Central tolerance — negative selection of T and B cells — exists to tests each of these new lymphocytes to see whether they self-react and thus are likely to be involved in autoimmunity. Any T or B lymphocyte which responds to the presented self-proteins are terminated via apoptosis (programmed cell death) or are reprogrammed to not self-react any longer.


Inducing tolerance with anti-inflammatory mRNA vaccine (credit: Christina Krienke et al.)
Although central tolerance, along with peripheral tolerance exist to prevent the possibility of autoimmune disorders while giving the best possible protection against new pathogens, there are many factors which can derail this, including a mutation in the autoimmune regulator gene (AIRE) and in the case of type 1 diabetes a mutation in the INS (insulin) gene.