Venus is hotter than Mercury?!?

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:
As was said, why should Americans learn STEM subjects that keeps America running when immigrants can do that work?

We are immigrants! The whole country.

Americans can be accused of a lot. Workaholic nation being one, but you can't imply lazy too
Mutually exclusive

And you should allow yourself to be exploited and paid adequately for it. That's just any job.

tmiddles wrote:We are immigrants! The whole country.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:We are immigrants! The whole country.

I'm not an immigrant. I came into existence in the U.S.. I have never belonged to any other country.

... as well as my parents.

... as well as my grandparents.

... as well as my great grandparents.

James___ wrote: I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.

James___ wrote:I don't think it's possible for a planet to have a weaker gravity than ours and still have 90 times the atmospheric pressure.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:I don't think it's possible for a planet to have a weaker gravity than ours and still have 90 times the atmospheric pressure.

James this comes back to if you believe the Russians, Japanese and US space agencies falsified date on the visits we made to Venus.

What do you think the margin of error is on an instrument used to measure atmospheric pressure directly? Do you think they would be off by 90 times, same error, every time?

What exactly do you think is going on if you don't trust measurements taken directly from the planet?

Granted it was just one pressure meter in one location on roughly 20 different missions but I think it's safe to assume Venus has a much much higher atmospheric pressure than earth does despite it's weaker gravity.

Do you dissagree?

James___ wrote:
Please show where I questioned the accuracy of their pressure readings.

James___ wrote:I don't think it's possible for a planet to have a weaker gravity than ours and still have 90 times the atmospheric pressure.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:
Please show where I questioned the accuracy of their pressure readings.

Here:

James___ wrote:I don't think it's possible for a planet to have a weaker gravity than ours and still have 90 times the atmospheric pressure.

I took that to mean you thought it wasn't possible and therefore a lie.

We measured the pressure and the gravity directly. So I wondered if you thought there was falsified data or what?

James___ wrote:I think they have Venus' gravity wrong.

GasGuzzler wrote:I was hatched. STILL in a fowl mood.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote: he's relying on whites to support him because he's offending everyone else.

One group he's not offending are neonazis and the KKK. They just love him so much. He is the most rabid attack dog against his enemies so you know who ihs enemies aren't.

David Duke may be an enemy of the state but he's not on Trump's very long list of enemies.

James___ wrote:
then why is it that immigrants seems to be doing all the hard work?...

got a question for tmiddles. What happens when other countries demand that we pay down the national debt? https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

Well we are immigrants. I guess you mean why do recent immigrants work harder?

Our abuse of having the US dollar as the global standard is pretty well documented. I guess the question of what if the world starts to mess with the United States is a little bit like asking somebody who works for the rich family up the street when they plan to start messing with that rich family. We're in this together. The US economy is vital to the world.

As was said, why should Americans learn STEM subjects that keeps America running when immigrants can do that work? That's very discriminatory. And probably why Trump will get reelected. It's funny how you sound like one of his supporters.

Are you actually suggesting that Americans aren't working in high tech???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You don't get it ITN. What you'd like to see happen might.

James___ wrote:
I read where the people at Jamestown just killed Indians when they wanted their land for growing tobacco. It takes arable land to grow agricultural products.

James___ wrote:
You forget that I wouldn't mind seeing Pocahontas' remains returned to her people. The catch is that the Powhatan tribe really doesn't exist anymore.

James___ wrote:
That is the funny aspect about society, most highly placed people in the tech field are either immigrants or their children.

James___ wrote:
This kind of means that one day they'll probably influence American politics.

James___ wrote:
They'll have the money to support political campaigns. In some ways Trump might be offending the Hi Tech community by going after minorities.

James___ wrote:
Yet if all those young people decided to help their own countries, where would that leave the US? The issue of immigration is a bitch.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
. How many of Trump's executive orders went into effect, as written? .

Republicans had both houses and a president. Can't blame democrats.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:
As was said, why should Americans learn STEM subjects that keeps America running when immigrants can do that work?

We are immigrants! The whole country.

tmiddles wrote:
Americans can be accused of a lot. Workaholic nation being one, but you can't imply lazy too
Mutually exclusive

tmiddles wrote:
And you should allow yourself to be exploited and paid adequately for it. That's just any job.

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:
As was said, why should Americans learn STEM subjects that keeps America running when immigrants can do that work?

We are immigrants! The whole country.

Americans can be accused of a lot. Workaholic nation being one, but you can't imply lazy too
Mutually exclusive

And you should allow yourself to be exploited and paid adequately for it. That's just any job.

Words anyone can write. You forget that I am an American and have worked with them. But people will hold my service connected hearing loss against me.

James___ wrote:
I'm not lazy though.

James___ wrote:
Have plenty of schooling but discrimination is very difficult to overcome.

James___ wrote:
I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.

James___ wrote:
And if you want to compare Venus to the Earth, learn some of the math and science that goes along with it. I don't think it's possible for a planet to have a weaker gravity than ours and still have 90 times the atmospheric pressure.

James___ wrote:
That's just wrong and math might show something with Newton's Theory of Gravity that's been overlooked.

James___ wrote:
At 1 au earth has a gravity of 9.8 m/s. Atmospheric pressure 14.7
At. 72 au Venus has a gravity of 8.87 m/s. Atmos pressure 1,330+

It might be a simple explanation. It only takes a little work

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:
As was said, why should Americans learn STEM subjects that keeps America running when immigrants can do that work?

We are immigrants! The whole country.

Nope. Most are born here

tmiddles wrote:
Americans can be accused of a lot. Workaholic nation being one, but you can't imply lazy too
Mutually exclusive

Correct.

tmiddles wrote:
And you should allow yourself to be exploited and paid adequately for it. That's just any job.

Correct.

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
. How many of Trump's executive orders went into effect, as written? .

Republicans had both houses and a president. Can't blame democrats.

Sure I can. And I will.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
. How many of Trump's executive orders went into effect, as written? .

Republicans had both houses and a president. Can't blame democrats.

Sure I can. And I will.

Obama started his first term, with both as well, still had trouble getting his health care passed. That should have been obvious to all, that it wasn't a good deal. Didn't pass until the third round, and just barely, and a lot of closed door dealings. Still bothers me, how many of them admitted they hadn't read it, and still voted for it. They get paid a lot of money to read that crap, and vote in best interest of those who elected them. They neglected to do their jobs, and nothing happens. Most of us would have been fired, if did stuff like that at work. Votes should be bought, sold, or traded either, which they do often, and openly these days.

HarveyH55 wrote:Obama started his first term, with both as well, still had trouble getting his health care passed. That should have been obvious to all, that it wasn't a good deal.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:Obama started his first term, with both as well, still had trouble getting his health care passed. That should have been obvious to all, that it wasn't a good deal.

Yeah I think that's a fair assessment. If your own party isn't with you then there are some real issues.

If mitch mcconnell wanted a wall we'd have one.

HarveyH55 wrote:Not sure if it's a simple majority, or the full 2/3rds.

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:I was hatched. STILL in a fowl mood.

If you should ever find what's pecking at your head it'll be a feather in your cap.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:Not sure if it's a simple majority, or the full 2/3rds.

Raising the debt ceiling is 2/3rds but spending is just a majority.

tmiddles wrote:
It's 60 votes to close debate in the senate (fillibuster if not closed) and the "nuclear option" used now by both parties is to make it 51.

tmiddles wrote:
May 2, 2017
link
"You don't have a single Republican on the border who's for the wall,"

tmiddles wrote:
Mainly because it's an imbecile's idea. Hey look, a wall!:

tmiddles wrote:

We already have one.

tmiddles wrote:
Every president has invested heavily in border security.

tmiddles wrote:
Trump just wants to pretend he's the first.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, I disagree, we need a physical barrier.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, I disagree, we need a physical barrier.

Please refer to the photo of the wall above = physical barrier.

W and Obama worked a lot on the border.

Trump is just being theatrical.

HarveyH55 wrote:A wall only deals with one type of illegal immigration.

tmiddles wrote:Also why is this a crisis?

tmiddles wrote: Why not instead be committed to fixing the problem by making the immigration legal?

tmiddles wrote: Trump's pro white agenda is pretty transparent.

tmiddles wrote: From defending Nazi's and Confederate statues to calling Mexicans murders and rapists.

tmiddles wrote: Sneaking into a country to work just isn't much of a crime.

tmiddles wrote: Not offensive at all if you're white.

HarveyH55 wrote: A fence is just as good a barrier as a wall,

HarveyH55 wrote: Fence/wall climbing isn't that easy, specially when you are already fatigued from walking miles, with a bare minimal amount of food and water.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, I disagree, we need a physical barrier.

Please refer to the photo of the wall above = physical barrier.

W and Obama worked a lot on the border.

Trump is just being theatrical.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:A wall only deals with one type of illegal immigration.

Also why is this a crisis? Why not instead be committed to fixing the problem by making the immigration legal?

Trump's pro white agenda is pretty transparent. From defending Nazi's and Confederate statues to calling Mexicans murders and rapists.

People like to pretend all "crime" is equivalent on this topic, as if jay walking was as bad as murder. Sneaking into a country to work just isn't much of a crime. Not offensive at all if you're white.

Don't you think we could stop it tomorrow if we just cut off the ability to work here?

99% of them are effectively invited by their employer.

He's created a country where brown children have "build the wall" chanted at them in school. It's sick.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I really don't understand the problem with separating families. Any other crime family in America, men go to men's jail, women got to women's jail, kids go to kiddie jail, or children services. It's not a hotel, they knew they were breaking our laws, would be detained if caught, and usually sent back over the border. Do the crime, do the time.

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

In the US, if you kill someone with your

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

In the US, if you kill someone with your car while sober, not a problem.

James___ wrote:
A family friend lost their husband while he was jogging. The motorist claimed to see nothing out of their windshield.

James___ wrote:
It was ruled an accident. He left behind 2 young daughters.

James___ wrote:
His wife was from Germantown, Ohio while he was from I think Colombia.

James___ wrote:
Living in Seattle, same situation. A motorist ran over and killed someone. No charges were filed because the motorist claimed to be switching stations on their radio and couldn't be expected to know if they drove onto the shoulder of the road or not.

James___ wrote:
It is legal to kill someone with your car. It's wrong to go for a run.

James___ wrote:
With the motorist in Seattle, a detective found the hit and run driver. No charges could be filed.

James___ wrote:
There was a bump in the road.

James___ wrote:
And in south Seattle, it's not unusual for jaywalkers to die less than a hundred feet from a cross walk. It doesn't stop them.

James___ wrote:
Thought I'd add, highway 99 is also known as Aurora Ave.

James___ wrote:
Check the statistics around Sea-Tac airport.

James___ wrote:
That stretch of highway has low income people living there.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

In the US, if you kill someone with your

Oh I was being silly James.

Ok what if illegal U turns on deserted streets was considered a crisis?

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
If I said jay walking was a crisis in America. That it's a CRIME punishable with a citation from the POLICE. What would be the difference with illegal immigration?

Who are the victims actually?

In the US, if you kill someone with your

Oh I was being silly James.

Ok what if illegal U turns on deserted streets was considered a crisis?

Obviously, they aren't.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I really don't understand the problem with separating families. Any other crime family in America, men go to men's jail, women got to women's jail, kids go to kiddie jail, or children services. It's not a hotel, they knew they were breaking our laws, would be detained if caught, and usually sent back over the border. Do the crime, do the time.

And THIS is where most liberals simply don't get it.

Crossing the border illegal IS a crime. It is punishable as a crime. If you are caught, you will be detained until you can be sent back to your nation of jurisdiction.

If kids are involved, it is exactly the same as when parents are committing any other type of crime. The kids are send to children's services, or to juvenile jail if they committed a crime (they crossed the border illegally too!).

If the parents are to be kept in jail for any length of time, the kids are sent to foster care, if they themselves are not serving time.

Being a criminal makes one an unfit parent. You can and probably will lose your children.

The "it's about the children" argument is an emotional one, and one that doesn't work.

If a man commits murder, do you let him off because he has a kid at home? Do you put the kid in jail with his dad so he serves hard time too? If the mother can't be found or is involved in the murder, do you put the kid in Women's prison, even if it's a boy?