Why can't you say Venus is hotter than Mercury because Venus got CO2?

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Why would this claim not meet scientific standard?

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Why would this claim not meet scientific standard?

James___ wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Why would this claim not meet scientific standard?

Why do planets like Mercury and Mars not have an atmosphere

James___ wrote:
while the Earth and Venus have one?

James___ wrote:
Both the Earth and Venus are warmer because they have atmospheres.

James___ wrote:
Does F = G(m1m2/r^2) allow for some planets to have an atmosphere while others don't?

James___ wrote:
It doesn't.

James___ wrote:
We would need to understand that first before we could say whether or not Venus is so warm because of CO2.

James___ wrote: Both the Earth and Venus are warmer because they have atmospheres.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Both the Earth and Venus are warmer because they have atmospheres.

James__, you know full well that the earth is demonstrably COOLER because it has an atmosphere.

Please tell me that you do not DENY the obvious. We have been over this exhaustively. We can easily compare the earth to the moon which is the exact same distance from the sun.

Yes, the earth's atmosphere has a huge refrigeration effect. Our ocean does not utterly boil away in the daytime because our atmosphere ensures it remains between very cool and freezing.

James__, just for you I'm going to repeat this. Our ocean does not utterly boil away in the daytime because our atmosphere ensures it remains between very cool and freezing.

That is one powerful refrigeration effect! Nowhere on the surface of the earth does the temperature ever reach 130degC ... like on the moon which has no atmosphere to refrigerate it like earth does.

James__, just for you I'm going to repeat this. Nowhere on the surface of the earth does the temperature ever reach 130degC ... like on the moon which has no atmosphere to refrigerate it like earth does.

You might be completely correct that CO2 plays a huge part in that, perhaps explaining why CO2 is an industrial refrigerant.

These man-made CO2 refrigeration units aren't even in the same league as the atmosphere's natural refrigeration power.








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spot wrote: So with the extra pressure and CO2 venus should be cold?

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: So with the extra pressure and CO2 venus should be cold?

I think I was very clear. There is no "should" in science.


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James___ wrote: Venus has a pressure over 1,334 psi. CO2 refrigerant systems do not use that much pressure.

James___ wrote:This is why I suggested why it would be important to understand why the inner planets have different atmospheres.

IBdaMann wrote:


It's all completely random.


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James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:It's all completely random.

Your mother dropped you on your head when you were a baby, right?

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:It's all completely random.

Your mother dropped you on your head when you were a baby, right?

No. When I was born, I body-slammed the nurse before I realized that slapping my behind was actually standard procedure. Oh well. I apologized, but she needed stitches. The doctor was cool; he backed my story.

spot wrote: however [if as IBD claims, the] atmosphere acts a refrigerator ... we add the refrigeration effect 93*2375 or 220875 more then earth so its -220,507k on the surface of Venus, Brrrr!

tmiddles wrote:
NICE ONE SPOT!

spot wrote: however [if as IBD claims, the] atmosphere acts a refrigerator ... we add the refrigeration effect 93*2375 or 220875 more then earth so its -220,507k on the surface of Venus, Brrrr!

You see IBD? This is why you get in trouble actually putting anything on the table. You're slipping up Mr. Troll.

Also as was pointed out in another thread only ~6% of the light of the sun reaches the ground of Venus.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them

spot wrote:
It's great
Climate change is real!
What a radical thing to say around here.

tmiddles wrote:You see IBD? This is why you get in trouble actually putting anything on the table. You're slipping up Mr. Troll.

tmiddles wrote:Also as was pointed out in another thread only ~6% of the light of the sun reaches the ground of Venus.

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: So with the extra pressure and CO2 venus should be cold?

I think I was very clear. There is no "should" in science.


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James___ wrote:ibdm, this is where you are showing that you don't understand science.

James___ wrote: Of course I think you like (same as) itn are a couple of anarchists.

James___ wrote:Kind of why it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:You see IBD? This is why you get in trouble actually putting anything on the table. You're slipping up Mr. Troll.

Refresh my memory, how did I slip up?
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James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: So with the extra pressure and CO2 venus should be cold?

I think I was very clear. There is no "should" in science.


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ibdm, this is where you are showing that you don't understand science. Of course I think you like (same as) itn are a couple of anarchists.
Kind of why it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you. But people will because people also have to look at accidents instead of watching the road in front of them.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:You see IBD? This is why you get in trouble actually putting anything on the table. You're slipping up Mr. Troll.

Refresh my memory, how did I slip up?
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You made the claim an atmosphere cools the ground level of a planet. It's false, you can't back it up and it's added to the long list of statements that are evidence of what a fraud you are.

Atmospheres do moderate the extremes but that is not the definition of long term cooling. In every case we have the average ground temp is higher. The more atmosphere the higher it is.

tmiddles wrote:
Verner did a very interesting analysis of Mars.

ITN is full of it as usual and Mercury has no atmosphere.

tmiddles wrote: You made the claim an atmosphere cools the ground level of a planet.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: You made the claim an atmosphere cools the ground level of a planet.

My statement was not made to you. I was countering James__ statement about the atmosphere "warming" the earth. I was facetiously using his exact same logic.

If you are claiming that my reasoning for a "refrigeration effect" is faulty, then you can join me in explaining to James__ that his reasoning for a "greenhouse effect" is faulty.

Once again, you were not the intended recipient of my argument because, as we both know, you aren't smart enough to "get it." You're a Troll after all, by your own admission, and aren't here to contribute in any meaningful way but rather to disrupt the board.


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spot wrote:
How are we to know which of your absurd assertions are jokes?

Into the Night wrote:
Mercury has an atmosphere. So does the Moon. So does Mars.

IBdaMann wrote:
If you are claiming that my reasoning for a "refrigeration effect"

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Mercury has an atmosphere. So does the Moon. So does Mars.

Citation for false statements please. Mars does yes. Moon and Mercury no.

tmiddles wrote:This is not a hypothetical situation. The solar system is real, hear, and we've taken measurements. You are wrong.

IBdaMann wrote:
What a loser.

James___ wrote: You simply don't know enough about astrophysics to understand the point I was making.

James___ wrote: Instead you used faulty reasoning to prove a point.

James___ wrote: It is like your manifesto.

James___ wrote: If people disagree with you, they have to prove that you are wrong.

James___ wrote: Since you are an anarchist, I think everyone knows what one is.

James___ wrote: I will pm both spot and tmiddles what you badly missed.

James___ wrote: ibdm, you're showing what's wrong with America today.

James___ wrote:At the same time you might not be an American. Ты мог быть Россия мужчина, Да? Я думал так.

James___ wrote: It's known that Russia promotes hydrocarbons as being clean energy.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: ibdm, you're showing what's wrong with America today.

James___ wrote:At the same time you might not be an American. Ты мог быть Россия мужчина, Да? Я думал так.

Как ты мог в это поверить? Я не люблю борщ.

James___ wrote: It's known that Russia promotes hydrocarbons as being clean energy.

It certainly can be PRISTINELY clean.






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James___ wrote:... ibdm might be Russian....

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:... ibdm might be Russian....

IBD with do whatever Trump says. He's a "team player"
Putin is in until Trump tells him otherwise.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Mercury has an atmosphere. So does the Moon. So does Mars.

Citation for false statements please.

tmiddles wrote:
Mars does yes. Moon and Mercury no.

tmiddles wrote:
Moon: It's an infinitesimal amount of air when compared to Earth's atmosphere.

tmiddles wrote:
Mercury: the planet has no atmosphere to retain that heat,

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
If you are claiming that my reasoning for a "refrigeration effect"

No one cares what your reasoning is.

tmiddles wrote:
This is not a hypothetical situation.

tmiddles wrote:
The solar system is real, hear, and we've taken measurements. You are wrong.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
What a loser.

What a looooong post full of nothing to say. That's what Trolls do. The ITN/IBD pretense that because there is a logical path to making a false statement (like that the moon has an atmosphere

tmiddles wrote:
as a relevant fact to our discussion)

tmiddles wrote:
is one of their main devices to try and block discussion.

tmiddles wrote:

James___ wrote:... ibdm might be Russian....

IBD with do whatever Trump says. He's a "team player"
Putin is in until Trump tells him otherwise.