14-08-2020 04:20 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14947) |
andeep wrote:This has relatively little to do with the laws of thermodynamics. It just absorption of radiation by a gas and re-emission. Are you going on record then as admitting that Greenhouse Effect has nothing to do with any increase in the earth's average global temperature? If so then we're done. I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
31-08-2020 10:46 | |
tmiddles![]() (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.Here you go ITN. Just keep ignoring it: Misuse of the 1st LTD, Plancks Law/SB Law, and glaring hypocrisy of "Valid Data" exposed: https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/venus-is-hotter-than-mercury--d6-e2710-s720.php#post_53762 andeep wrote:Yes all the thermodynamic complexity of a blanket. "Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper ITN/IBD Fraud exposed: The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN |
31-08-2020 16:47 | |
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tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.Here you go ITN. Just keep ignoring it: Already addressed ad nauseum... Speaking of ignoring, you continue to ignore these questions that the forum has asked you to answer... |
31-08-2020 19:13 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
andeep wrote:HarveyH55 wrote:andeep wrote:tmiddles wrote:Tai Hai Chen wrote: Random number. The temperature of the Earth is unknown. It is not possible to measure it. We don't have enough thermometers. andeep wrote:Nope. Location grouping is significant. Time is significant. 100 thermometers in Seattle tell you nothing about the temperature of Yakima. andeep wrote:Obviously, since you don't understand the math. andeep wrote:No gas or vapor can warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. andeep wrote:There is no such thing as 'greenhouse effect'. Define 'global warming'. Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy. andeep wrote:Buzzword fallacy. Define 'global warming'. Define 'climate change'. andeep wrote:The temperature of Earth is unknown. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. andeep wrote:The temperature of the Earth is unknown during the so-called Ice Age either. No one was around to measure it. andeep wrote:You are making up numbers and coming to a predetermined conclusion based on random numbers. andeep wrote:The temperature of Earth is unknown. andeep wrote:A region of Earth is not the Earth, dumbass. andeep wrote:Fear mongering. The temperature of Earth is unknown. People regularly live in temperatures ranging from below freezing in winter to over100 deg F in the summer. andeep wrote:Temperature is not pool balls or gravity. andeep wrote:The temperature of Earth is unknown. andeep wrote: The amount of carbon dioxide in the oceans is unknown. The pH of the oceans is unknown. It cannot be measured. The pH of ocean water varies from place to place. Rain is naturally acidic. That water becomes alkaline as it flow down creeks and rivers to the sea. No argument given. Random numbers used as facts. Denial of math. Denial of chemistry. Denial of science. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
31-08-2020 19:25 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
andeep wrote:HarveyH55 wrote: Nothing but, dude. Nothing but. andeep wrote: No one has ever measure the temperature of the Earth. It's not possible to do so. andeep wrote: Ice cores do not measure temperature. Science does not use proxies. Their use requires preconclusions. andeep wrote: Both are unreliable. Neither have anything to do with each other. Buzzword fallacy. andeep wrote: Random number. What is 'precise enough'? How is it determined? Please show all your work. andeep wrote: A fairy tale has nothing to do with the unknown temperature of the Earth, Venus, Mars, or any other planet. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
31-08-2020 19:33 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:Curious if you believe this cooling is taking place on Venus as well? RQAA tmiddles wrote: Mantra 16a. tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:The planet's average temperature is determined exclusively by its sun's energy output and its own emissivity.So I'll ask again (note the topic we are in) do you claim that applies to Venus as well? RQAA tmiddles wrote: Mantras 25g...25c...the temperature of Venus is unknown. Summarily dismissed IAW Tmiddles ordinance #1. No argument presented. Fixation. Denial of math. Denial of science. RQAA. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
31-08-2020 19:38 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
tmiddles wrote: No argument presented. Denial of math. Denial of science. Spam. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
31-08-2020 19:40 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
andeep wrote:Into the Night wrote:tmiddles wrote:andeep wrote:...this does suggest the difference in greenhouse gas composition doesn't have an effect on the temperature ratio....I would say that it suggests that it's not the dominant/only factor as it's sometime portrayed.andeep wrote:...this doesn't prove that there is no greenhouse effect at all. The temperatures on Venus and Earth are so high compared to if there were no greenhouse effect at all that there must be a greenhouse effect...Yes the Fourier Greenhouse Effect theory from 1824 long predates Tyndalls work with CO2 in 1859. A "greenhouse effect" theory does not require CO2 even being considered (Fourier didn't when he coined the term). Today "Greenhouse Effect" is used to also mean the theory that CO2 is a major/dominant player in the process so it's unclear much of the time what someone means. I tried to summarize what I thought was the popular CO2 theory here: A gas not will radiate more than it absorbed, nor will a colder gas heat a warmer surface. You are ignoring the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
02-09-2020 03:29 | |
tmiddles![]() (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:...nor will a colder gas heat a warmer surface....The reason ITN has to write that out himself, as opposed to quoting it, is that no one is every saying that. the SUN is the only thing warming Earth. Just the SUN. Keep pretending anyone is saying otherwise. It's always easier to defeat made up arguments. |
02-09-2020 03:41 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14947) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:...nor will a colder gas heat a warmer surface....The reason ITN has to write that out himself, as opposed to quoting it, is that no one is every saying that. Doublespeak. The conclusion of your argument has the cooler atmosphere warming the surface. You don't write the two parts of your argument together because it would make your insane gibberish immediately obvious. Why do you EVADE the question of earth's daytime oceans not boiling away when the atmosphereless moon reaches daytime temperatures well in excess of water's boiling point? Why do you EVADE essentially all questions put to you? . Could I get you to answer a few of the questions that remain unanswered? I'll post them here for your convenience. Just put your answers in red text. Branner won't mind if you answer some questions in this thread that don't pertain to the OP. He understands your answers as nonetheless being respectful to the thread. 1) What are the unambiguous definitions of Global Warming, Climate Change and Greenhouse Effect that neither violate nor deny physics? [Status: Unanswered] 2) Why should any rational adult believe in either Global Warming, Climate Change or Greenhouse Effect? [Status: Unanswered] 3) How can I unambiguously demonstrate to my children thermal energy flowing from cooler to warmer? [Status: Unanswered] 4) How can I know the temperature of a large, unspecified volume, e.g. Denver, to within, say, 10degF with only one temperature measurement, e.g. the Denver airport? [Status: Unanswered] 5) What are the unambiguous definitions of "race," "negro," "black people," "white people," "brown people," "white supremacy," "white nationalsim," "white nationalist," "white supremacist," "black supremacist" and "racist"? [Status: Unanswered] 6) Is there an official list of races? [Status: Unanswered] - 6a) How do I determine my own race or that of my children? [Status: Unanswered] 7) Why should any rational adult believe that there is a problem of racism in the United States? [Status: Unanswered] 8) Why should law abiding citizens be rendered defenseless before rampant violent crime? [Status: Unanswered] 9) Where in the 1st Amendment is "hate" prohibited such that, if shown, a prosecutor can throw someone in jail for having had that emotion/thought? [Status: Unanswered] 10) Why do you claim that an atmosphere only makes a planet's or moon's solid surface hotter since you are fully aware that no place at the bottom of earth's atmosphere ever reaches anywhere close to the daytime temperatures of the moon's atmosphereless solid surface? [Status: Unanswered] 11) If we were to discover that Lisa Gherardini was actually a shitty person, would that justify Black Lives Matter storming the Louvre to destroy the Mona Lisa? [Status: Unanswered] 12) Why should we destroy artifacts and relics pertaining to history that we never want to forget or repeat? [Status: Unanswered] 13) The Aztecs committed genocide of many other tribes and practiced human sacrifice; should their artwork and artifacts be destroyed? [Status: Unanswered] 14) Why would you or anyone pretend to be a judge of what history is to be revised or destroyed? [Status: Unanswered] 15) In what substantive/meaningful way do the platforms of Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, The National Organization of Women, the DNC, Communist Party USA and Socialist Party USA ... differ? [Status: Unanswered] 16) Which type of wood are you claiming melts (assuming the proper temperature and pressure) ... and what is that specific temperature and pressure? [Status: Unanswered] . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist Edited on 02-09-2020 03:42 |
02-09-2020 05:28 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
Why are we talking about Venus when we're debating climate change? Anyone got a pic of Mercury? I found nothing about Mercury that's worth sharing except for cars and music. Attached image: ![]() Edited on 02-09-2020 05:41 |
02-09-2020 05:45 | |
James___★★★★★ (5513) |
I spoke to soon. Some might think that Mercury is hotter. My bad. p.s., either way, I'm right and it feels sooo good. Attached image: ![]() Edited on 02-09-2020 05:46 |
02-09-2020 10:44 | |
tmiddles![]() (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:...your argument has the cooler atmosphere warming the surface.Quote me. |
02-09-2020 15:12 | |
IBdaMann![]() (14947) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:...your argument has the cooler atmosphere warming the surface.Quote me. Waste of time. You'll just point to one of your numerous self-contradictions and claim that you said "the exact opposite." All I need to do is point to your denial of the daytime side of the moon. Done. Your argument sounds pretty stupid when I put it in those terms. Attached image: ![]() |
03-09-2020 01:43 | |
tmiddles![]() (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:Then you got nothing.tmiddles wrote:Quote me. |
03-09-2020 04:54 | |
Into the Night![]() (22922) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:Then you got nothing.tmiddles wrote:Quote me. Inversion fallacy. Void argument fallacy. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
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