Omicron

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, The Biden vax mandate for private businesses is back on. Court failed to protect American rights to freely choose. Don't think it's over, but more businesses will panic and cave in. It'll still have to get down to getting vaxxed or fired, before I'll even consider getting jabbed. Omicron makes the mandate pointless. The vaxxed still get infected, and still spread this 'deadly' disease... The mandate is purely political, and very harmful to businesses. Fines, and loss of staffing, for those already stressed is bad for America. Next year, is an election year, and I'm confident this issue of overreach an abuse of power is going to get used quite a bit. Only two weeks to fully comply, is unreasonable. There is going to be an extension, or two... There are going to be more challenges, maybe an appeal to the Supreme Court. The cost of not continuing to challenge, is a lot more, than legal costs. If nothing more, businesses need the challenges, just to buy time, to figure out how to deal with the mandate. They need to make sure all employees are, or will get vaccinated. Manage and monitor weekly testing/mask wearing, for those who don't. The staff that quit/fired, need to be replaced, with vaccinated people. Seriously limits the pool of prospects.

Biden loses the House, I expect to see an impeachment over this mandate.

Oh if you decide to test for lymohocytes, the test is a complete white blood cell count, and white blood cell differential.

Into the Night wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:

"The increases in the levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which was previously shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia), together with other putative mechanisms, including direct damage of lymphoid tissues and apoptosis of lymphocytes, are presumably the primary causes of the profound lymphopenia observed in patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2)"


COVID 19 causes low lymphocytes, probably because of damage to your thymus gland or thymic functions.

Covid19 doesn't attack the thymus.

COVID 19 and it's vaccines increase levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which has been shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia).

The main function of cytokines is to help in signaling molecules that mediate and regulate immunity, inflammation and hematopoiesis. Cytokines are a large group of proteins, peptides or glycoproteins that are secreted by specific cells of immune system.

Aplasia is a condition in which an organ, limb, or other body part does not develop.

Covid19 doesn't attack the thymus or the bone marrow.

duncan61 wrote:
I would like to weigh in with a reality check.Covid is a nasty bug that is highly infectious.Wearing a mask helps to stop you infecting other people.If they are wearing a mask as well it all helps.It is not the big fix but it helps.Authorities have to do something or at least seem to be doing something.I have had 2 shots because I could and last week I started a new job as receivals storeman at farmer jacks and it is everything I wished for and I would have to be vacced.I will not be getting boosters unless I have to.Typhoid Mary claimed she was being picked on as an immigrant but the truth is the bitch was infecting everyone she met.An outbreak of cholera in London was traced back to a public drinking fountain.It is not reasonable to just deny its real.

duncan61 wrote:
I would like to weigh in with a reality check bunch of nonsense.

duncan61 wrote:
Covid is a nasty bug that is highly infectious.

duncan61 wrote:
Wearing a mask helps to stop you infecting other people.

duncan61 wrote:
If they are wearing a mask as well it all helps.

duncan61 wrote:
It is not the big fix but it helps.

duncan61 wrote:
Authorities have to do something or at least seem to be doing something.

duncan61 wrote:
I have had 2 shots because I could

duncan61 wrote:
and last week I started a new job as receivals storeman at farmer jacks and it is everything I wished for and I would have to be vacced.

duncan61 wrote:
I will not be getting boosters unless I have to.

duncan61 wrote:
Typhoid Mary claimed she was being picked on as an immigrant but the truth is the bitch was infecting everyone she met.An outbreak of cholera in London was traced back to a public drinking fountain.It is not reasonable to just deny its real.

duncan61 wrote:I would like to weigh in with a crap-load of stupid

duncan61 wrote:Covid is a nasty bug

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Your Ayn Rand fantasy has nothing to do with with COVID 19.

Wrong wording. The correct wording would have been:

"Into the Night, because I am legally brain-dead, I'm not quite capable of understanding how the phony COVID crisis that was fabricated by a tyrannical government is in some way a phony COVID crisis fabricated by a tyrannical government ... and I don't quite understand how stolen elections relate to a tyrannical government that wants to use a phony COVID crisis to steal elections ... and I don't understand how Colgate manages to get toothpaste into the tube. And what do we use soap for again?"

Spongy Iris wrote:Here you go. Try reading for a change instead of parroting your crap over and over.

Hey moron, try thinking for a change instead of reaching for someone's publication so that you can substitute the author's predetermined conclusions for the ideas that you might have otherwise had.

Spongy Iris wrote: "The increases in the levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines in leukemia patients, (which was previously shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia), together with other putative mechanisms, including direct damage of lymphoid tissues and apoptosis of lymphocytes, are presumably the primary causes of the profound lymphopenia observed in patients coincidentally infected with severe but totally unrelated and irrelevant acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2)"

So what's your point ... beyond not having any sort of coherent point?

I already told you my point. Covid 19 causes low lymphocytes. Did you forget???

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

"The increases in the levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which was previously shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia), together with other putative mechanisms, including direct damage of lymphoid tissues and apoptosis of lymphocytes, are presumably the primary causes of the profound lymphopenia observed in patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2)"

Pivot fallacy. Buzzword fallacies. Fear mongering.

No argument presented.

You might have to look up some of the medical definitions. But if you try to understand the subject matter, you should see how it supports my points.

You are not making any point.

COVID 19 causes low lymphocytes, probably because of damage to your thymus gland or thymic functions.

Spongy Iris wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:I already told you my point. Covid 19 causes low lymphocytes. Did you forget???

Right, but you never made any coherent point. COVID doesn't affect bone marrow and thus it has no effect on lymphocytes. Your gibberish is nonsensical and is something one would expect to hear from a guy wearing a straight jacket in a rubber room with froth on his lips.

You are apparently under the mistaken impression that because you are gullible and allow others to F with you that your gibberish somehow comes across as intelligent and makes you appear thmart. You won't bother to read up on why you are wrong because, well, that would force you out of your mental safe space and into the harsh, cold reality where science totally dominates the conversation ... and you aren't anywhere near being prepared for that.

... but you're certainly done on this topic in this forum. You're just wrong.

.

You apparently can't understand medical literature, and proudly profess your ignorance. Good luck with that.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

"The increases in the levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which was previously shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia), together with other putative mechanisms, including direct damage of lymphoid tissues and apoptosis of lymphocytes, are presumably the primary causes of the profound lymphopenia observed in patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2)"

Pivot fallacy. Buzzword fallacies. Fear mongering.

No argument presented.

You might have to look up some of the medical definitions. But if you try to understand the subject matter, you should see how it supports my points.

You are not making any point.

COVID 19 causes low lymphocytes, probably because of damage to your thymus gland or thymic functions.

Covid19 doesn't attack the thymus.

COVID 19 and it's vaccines increase levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which has been shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia).

The main function of cytokines is to help in signaling molecules that mediate and regulate immunity, inflammation and hematopoiesis. Cytokines are a large group of proteins, peptides or glycoproteins that are secreted by specific cells of immune system.

Aplasia is a condition in which an organ, limb, or other body part does not develop.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, The Biden vax mandate for private businesses is back on. Court failed to protect American rights to freely choose. Don't think it's over, but more businesses will panic and cave in. It'll still have to get down to getting vaxxed or fired, before I'll even consider getting jabbed. Omicron makes the mandate pointless. The vaxxed still get infected, and still spread this 'deadly' disease... The mandate is purely political, and very harmful to businesses. Fines, and loss of staffing, for those already stressed is bad for America. Next year, is an election year, and I'm confident this issue of overreach an abuse of power is going to get used quite a bit. Only two weeks to fully comply, is unreasonable. There is going to be an extension, or two... There are going to be more challenges, maybe an appeal to the Supreme Court. The cost of not continuing to challenge, is a lot more, than legal costs. If nothing more, businesses need the challenges, just to buy time, to figure out how to deal with the mandate. They need to make sure all employees are, or will get vaccinated. Manage and monitor weekly testing/mask wearing, for those who don't. The staff that quit/fired, need to be replaced, with vaccinated people. Seriously limits the pool of prospects.

Biden loses the House, I expect to see an impeachment over this mandate.

Oh if you decide to test for lymohocytes, the test is a complete white blood cell count, and white blood cell differential.

The alternative weekly testing, is getting nose-raped with a long Q-tip. Which is simply to find some trace of any strain of a coronavirus. Doesn't necessarily indicate you are infected with covid-19. There are two strains of coronavirus classified as causing common colds... Coronavirus is common in pets and livestock as well. Those strains don't infect humans (yet). Still close enough to trigger a positive on a covid-19 test...

Most everything in our body, has multiple functions. Highly efficient, not often specialized. People tend to focus on one specific function, not the entire system. Sounds more dire an a simplistic. Covid-19 is the money maker. Anything you can blame on covid, will get you grant money. Doesn't make it so, or that the researchers even care. They want the free money, so they can do semi-related work. The covid connection, probably isn't there, but they still get to study what they wanted, and figure out what they wanted to study in the first place, but could get funded. Our immune system does a lot more than fight off viruses and bacteria. You have an allergy, the symptoms are your immune system removing the offensive substance. You get injured, your immune system removes damaged/dead tissue/cells. The body isn't just a collection of individual systems, with specialized tasks. Everything works together. There is a main function, but the all support and assist each other.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
Spongy Iris wrote:

"The increases in the levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which was previously shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia), together with other putative mechanisms, including direct damage of lymphoid tissues and apoptosis of lymphocytes, are presumably the primary causes of the profound lymphopenia observed in patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2)"


COVID 19 causes low lymphocytes, probably because of damage to your thymus gland or thymic functions.

Covid19 doesn't attack the thymus.

COVID 19 and it's vaccines increase levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, (which has been shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia).

The main function of cytokines is to help in signaling molecules that mediate and regulate immunity, inflammation and hematopoiesis. Cytokines are a large group of proteins, peptides or glycoproteins that are secreted by specific cells of immune system.

Aplasia is a condition in which an organ, limb, or other body part does not develop.

Covid19 doesn't attack the thymus or the bone marrow.

Your comment is irrelevant, because I have described it is the inflammatory cytokines, triggered by covid 19, which cause problems for the thymus and bone marrow regulation of lymphocytes.

Why do you make deceptive replies?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Let's look at another infamous Parrot squawk.

COVID 19 doesn't kill.

Technically it triggers your immune system to kill you.

So much bandwidth this loser wastes on deceptive comments.

duncan61 wrote:
I would like to weigh in with a reality check.

duncan61 wrote:
Covid is a nasty bug that is highly infectious.Wearing a mask helps to stop you infecting other people.

duncan61 wrote:
If they are wearing a mask as well it all helps.

duncan61 wrote:
It is not the big fix but it helps.

duncan61 wrote:
Authorities have to do something

duncan61 wrote:
or at least seem to be doing something.

duncan61 wrote:
have had 2 shots because I could

duncan61 wrote:
and last week I started a new job as receivals storeman at farmer jacks and it is everything I wished for and I would have to be vacced.

duncan61 wrote:
I will not be getting boosters unless I have to.

duncan61 wrote:
Typhoid Mary claimed she was being picked on as an immigrant but the truth is the bitch was infecting everyone she met.

duncan61 wrote:
An outbreak of cholera in London was traced back to a public drinking fountain.

duncan61 wrote:
It is not reasonable to just deny its real.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's pretty obvious that the vaccines don't remotely live up to the marketing hype. America is around 60% vaccinated. With record high new cases in many states. Some considerably higher, than in 2020, before the vaccines. The vaccines, and prior infection, should be reducing the numbers of new cases. Wonder if a fully compliant business can sue OSHA, if the still get covid cases? The mandate will hurt the business. Should OSHA be held accountable, if their policy fails to protect? Most any other policy, that harms a business, or employees, is lawsuit material.

This is clearly extortion, and needs to be prosecuted. Employees that needed the vaccine, for themselves, or because they are in contact with someone at high-risk, already got it. Some bought into the marketing hype. Or, just gave in, as it would be the simplest way to protect their income. There really shouldn't be 10's of millions of employees not in compliance.

Into the Night wrote:

You aren't making any point. You are just repeating your random BS.

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Let's look at another infamous Parrot squawk.

COVID 19 doesn't kill.

Technically it triggers your immune system to kill you.

So much bandwidth this loser wastes on deceptive comments.

Covid19 is not AIDS. Covid19 does not kill. Nothing directs your immune system to kill you, not even AIDS.

Into the Night wrote:

Covid19 does not attack bone marrow or the thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote:Increased levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines has been shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia.

keepit wrote:Spongy Iris, Do you have any medical credentials?
If so, what are they?

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Let's look at another infamous Parrot squawk.

COVID 19 doesn't kill.

Technically it triggers your immune system to kill you.

So much bandwidth this loser wastes on deceptive comments.

Covid19 is not AIDS. Covid19 does not kill. Nothing directs your immune system to kill you, not even AIDS.

Having low lymphocytes puts you at risk for breakthrough infections. People who have suffered COVID 19 and been vaccinated have low lymphocyte counts.

Repeated covid 19 infections and vaccinations might erode your lymphatic system so much that many kinds of minor infections, which were once upon a time harmless, will become life threatening, or deadly.

keepit wrote:
Spongy Iris,
Do you have any medical credentials?
If so, what are they?

James___ wrote:For what Spongy Iris posted, it would require a more in depth discussion.

James___ wrote:It might get into what types of proteins affect what chains of causality.

keepit wrote:ibd, I'm just curious.

keepit wrote:Let me suggest that sometimes you try not to be so literal.

keepit wrote:Spongy does have some understanding of human physiology.

keepit wrote: If you want to have any credibility with me,

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:For what Spongy Iris posted, it would require a more in depth discussion.

The opposite. His gibberish is dismissed immediately. He's spewing hyped fear and panic just because he read some misinformation on the internet and is only now regretting having dropped out of highschool.

James___ wrote:It might get into what types of proteins affect what chains of causality.

I think you mean to say that we would need to discuss the chains of causality, i.e. the biological models that exist, involving types of proteins. No types of proteins, however, have any power to alter physics and affect the actual chains of causality.

Let's let Spongy Iris stop foaming at the mouth, snap out of his stupor, and take a moment to form a coherent thought that isn't panic-driven insanity.

Shall we? Yes, I think we shall.

James___ wrote:This gets technical.

James___ wrote:The bone marrow generates immature T-cells.

James___ wrote:Basically why some researchers want to do stem cell research.

James___ wrote:Bone marrow generates specific cells which other glands in the body will mature. This is where if something like covid damages the thymus then it cannot mature cells which would fight such infections.

James___ wrote:p.s., and now we need to find out how different covid variants affect the thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

You aren't making any point. You are just repeating your random BS.

You are describing yourself.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
Let's look at another infamous Parrot squawk.

COVID 19 doesn't kill.

Technically it triggers your immune system to kill you.

So much bandwidth this loser wastes on deceptive comments.

Covid19 is not AIDS. Covid19 does not kill. Nothing directs your immune system to kill you, not even AIDS.

Having low lymphocytes puts you at risk for breakthrough infections. People who have suffered COVID 19 and been vaccinated have low lymphocyte counts.

Repeated covid 19 infections and vaccinations might erode your lymphatic system so much that many kinds of minor infections, which were once upon a time harmless, will become life threatening, or deadly.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Covid19 does not attack bone marrow or the thymus.

Increased levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines has been shown to cause bone marrow and thymic aplasia.

keepit wrote:
ibd,
I'm just curious.
Let me suggest that sometimes you try not to be so literal.

Spongy does have some understanding of human physiology. If you want to have any credibility with me, stop exaggerating.

keepit wrote:
ibd,
I'm just curious.
Let me suggest that sometimes you try not to be so literal.

Spongy does have some understanding of human physiology. If you want to have any credibility with me, stop exaggerating.

James___ wrote:

This gets technical. The bone marrow generates immature T-cells. Those are matured in the thymus. Then they help the body's autoimmune system to identify and fight disease.
Basically why some researchers want to do stem cell research. Bone marrow generates specific cells which other glands in the body will mature. This is where if something like covid damages the thymus then it cannot mature cells which would fight such infections.

p.s., and now we need to find out how different covid variants affect the thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote:I'm thinking it might be the pro inflammatory cytokines which are harmful to the thymus and/or lymphatic system.

Spongy Iris wrote:Since I got vaccinated in September I have had this extra strong pump feeling near my thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote: It is not my heart because the pump does not keep time with my pulse.

Spongy Iris wrote:And in December I only had 1300 lymphocytes per microliter of a blood sample, which is very low for me. I also had 11800 total white blood cells per microliter of the blood sample, which is way above average.

keepit wrote:ibd,maybe i should apologize to you about your opinion as to spongy's medical knowledge. I guess he's wrong about a lot of his medical statements.