Omicron

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Heat is not retained. IBD is just mimicking Jamesbabble.

Thank you for picking up on that. I did such a good job that I fooled Harvey into thinking I was James__.

... and if my project works out, I'll be able to have a life with my eigensister's Bessler wheel when Christian immigrants deplete the ozone under the Van Allen belt. But this gets into linear psychiatry which allows for corrugated tin.

But since F=ma and E=mc^2 you must allow for the polar conversion. After all, we are talking about the North pole here. The Norwegian jet stream is what provides food for the polar bears.

With E=hv, my project will mean that I'll be able to have a life with frozen plasma physics. Boltzmann died Sep 05, 1906 ... but Christians don't care.

gfm7175 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Heat is not retained. IBD is just mimicking Jamesbabble.

Thank you for picking up on that. I did such a good job that I fooled Harvey into thinking I was James__.

... and if my project works out, I'll be able to have a life with my eigensister's Bessler wheel when Christian immigrants deplete the ozone under the Van Allen belt. But this gets into linear psychiatry which allows for corrugated tin.

But since F=ma and E=mc^2 you must allow for the polar conversion. After all, we are talking about the North pole here. The Norwegian jet stream is what provides food for the polar bears.

With E=hv, my project will mean that I'll be able to have a life with frozen plasma physics. Boltzmann died Sep 05, 1906 ... but Christians don't care.

You're right. Christians don't care about my disability. They also hate sex. What's so bad about sex? Harvey sends me nice photos. Harvey likes them too, but you hate them gfm7175? Why? Jesus has no problem with sex. why do you? Boltzman was a good man, a man of high sex count; his sperm were good swimmers. Black body radiation was known before Boltzmann you know. Rosa Parks had a black body, and nobody knows radiation better than Marie Curie.

GasGuzzler wrote:


Here's the thing about Boltzman. The project he pursued allowed for him to have a better life. However, following his death in 1906, he no longer had a better life. This might have been overlooked.

Spongy Iris wrote:Another study showing thymus disorder following COVID 19 infection.

IBdaMann wrote:
[quote]Spongy Iris wrote:
The authors will not reveal who funded the "study" and they specifically avoid any chain of causality leading from a COVID infection to a thymus disorder ... and they completely omit all information about how unimportant such a thymus condition would be to someone beyond teenage years.

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Spongy Iris wrote:The National Institute of Health is who published the study.

Spongy Iris wrote:Assume that taxpayers funded the study.

Spongy Iris wrote:You want causality, here you go.

Abstract
Most patients with Myasthenia Gravis (MG) present a thymic hyperplasia characterized by the presence of lymphoid follicles. The acetylcholine receptor autoantigen, as well as autoantigen specific activated T and B cells found in the thymus, strongly suggest that auto-sensitization could take place in this organ. Since IL-6 is involved in T and B cell growth and differentiation, we thought that abnormal IL-6 expression by thymic epithelial cells (TEC) could be related to thymic hyperplasia in MG. In this paper, IL-6 protein and gene expression by cultured TEC from patients with MG were examined. TEC from patients presented a dramatic IL-6 hyperproduction phenotype as compared to controls when stimulated by exogenous signals such as LPS and cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha) alone or in combination. Moreover, we observed a similar effect with a physiological signal such as the syngeneic lympho-epithelial cell contact. Autologous thymocytes stimulated normal and MG TEC IL-6 production in a time- and dose- dependent way, and with a higher magnitude in MG TEC compared to controls. In all stimulation conditions, induction of IL-6 production required protein synthesis and was associated with increased IL-6 mRNA level expression as assessed by computer-aided quantification after in situ mRNA hybridization. In addition, recombinant IL-6 induced in vitro growth of TEC, demonstrating that IL-6 is a possible autocrine growth factor for these cells. This deregulated IL-6 production as well as the ability of TEC to use it as a growth factor may be of pathophysiological relevance in MG. It provides an explanation for morphological changes of the thymus and may have a key role in initiation, exacerbation and ongoing of the autoimmune response in MG. Therefore this study extends our current understanding of the molecular pathophysiology of MG.

IBdaMann wrote:
You shouldn't give a schytt what some organization decided to call itself.
Assume George Sorros funded the study.

Yes, I demand the full causality chain and your article does not provide it.

I will post the abstract here and you tell me where the term COVID appears.
[quote]Abstract
In this paper, IL-6 protein and gene expression by cultured TEC from patients with MG were examined. TEC from patients presented a dramatic IL-6 hyperproduction phenotype as compared to controls when stimulated by exogenous signals such as LPS and cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha) alone or in combination. Moreover, we observed a similar effect with a physiological signal such as the syngeneic lympho-epithelial cell contact. Autologous thymocytes stimulated normal and MG TEC IL-6 production in a time- and dose- dependent way, and with a higher magnitude in MG TEC compared to controls. In all stimulation conditions, induction of IL-6 production required protein synthesis and was associated with increased IL-6 mRNA level expression as assessed by computer-aided quantification after in situ mRNA hybridization. In addition, recombinant IL-6 induced in vitro growth of TEC, demonstrating that IL-6 is a possible autocrine growth factor for these cells. This deregulated IL-6 production as well as the ability of TEC to use it as a growth factor may be of pathophysiological relevance in MG. It provides an explanation for morphological changes of the thymus and may have a key role in initiation, exacerbation and ongoing of the autoimmune response in MG. Therefore this study extends our current understanding of the molecular pathophysiology of MG.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Ill be completely honest. I don't understand much of the abstract. I don't need to. These are the same key words and phrases you will find in an article claiming to know why the earth is warming. These are the red flag words and phrases that I found. Probably very similar to IBdaMann, but that dude is a genius and I am not.

Most
suggest
could be
signals
could take place
similar
computer-aided quantification
physiological signal
possible autocrine growth factor
may be
may have a key role

GasGuzzler wrote:
Ill be completely honest. I don't understand much of the abstract. I don't need to. These are the same key words and phrases you will find in an article claiming to know why the earth is warming. These are the red flag words and phrases that I found. Probably very similar to IBdaMann, but that dude is a genius and I am not.


Most
suggest
could be
signals
could take place
similar
computer-aided quantification
physiological signal
possible autocrine growth factor
may be
may have a key role

Spongy Iris wrote:Yes covid 19 is all Geoge Soros' fault. Rolls eyes.

Spongy Iris wrote:You really can't put 2 and 2 together.

Spongy Iris wrote: The causality is overproduction of IL-6.

IBdaMann wrote:

COVID infection -> COVID immunity -> stronger immune system[/color]

Deal with it.

HarveyH55 wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
Ill be completely honest. I don't understand much of the abstract. I don't need to. These are the same key words and phrases you will find in an article claiming to know why the earth is warming. These are the red flag words and phrases that I found. Probably very similar to IBdaMann, but that dude is a genius and I am not.


Most
suggest
could be
signals
could take place
similar
computer-aided quantification
physiological signal
possible autocrine growth factor
may be
may have a key role

That's how I grade articles too. They signal no confidence, non-committal, only belief. Science isn't faith-based. Most of these preliminary findings, regardless of field, are worded similarly, to imply much funding is needed, for further study. If they can sufficiently scare the crap out of the reader, they are more generously rewarded with grants. It's not politics, science, or true. Just begging for bucks, tragedy sells.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Yes covid 19 is all Geoge Soros' fault. Rolls eyes.

This is the retort of a pouting child. Of course I never said anything of the sort.

Spongy Iris wrote:Inflammation of the thymus and declining lymphocyte production are not a stronger immune system.

Spongy Iris wrote: Covid 19 and it's vaccines trigger the over production of IL-6

Spongy Iris wrote:These indications of immune system damage have been shown to you.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Inflammation of the thymus and declining lymphocyte production are not a stronger immune system.

COVID is not an inflammation of the thymus nor is it declining lymphocite production.

Vaccines aren't either.

Spongy Iris wrote: Covid 19 and it's vaccines trigger the over production of IL-6

You have not shown this. Until you do, your argument is dismissed summarily.

Spongy Iris wrote:These indications of immune system damage have been shown to you.

... but not as the result of COVID infection or of vaccination.

Spongy Iris wrote:I said IL-6 inflames the thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote: And covid triggers the IL-6.

Spongy Iris wrote:You're doing the same deceptive crap as Parrot, where you try to say it's technically not covid, because it's IL-6.

IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:I said IL-6 inflames the thymus.

It might. I'm not sure about that or if a certain minimum amount is needed, but for the sake of argument I'm willing to accept that IL-6 might very well inflame the thymus.

Of course, you need to show why this is, in any way, a big deal, since the thymus stops doing its thing and turns to fat once adulthood is reached.

James___ wrote:
And now over 2,000 flights have been cancelled. And this is because airline employees contracted the covid virus.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-delta-alaska-airlines-cancel-holiday-flights-omicrons-spread-rcna9876

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
And now over 2,000 flights have been cancelled. And this is because airline employees contracted the covid virus.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-delta-alaska-airlines-cancel-holiday-flights-omicrons-spread-rcna9876

Yup, it takes a work force to run an airline. How many people were terminated because they refused the vaccine? Wait!.....United and Delta both have vaccine mandates! I guess that stupid policy isn't working out too well for them.

Healthy workers were terminated, and so many vaccinated workers are getting Covid they have to cancel 2,000 flights. Damn....merry Christmas.

James___ wrote:Omicron is not the same as covid 19 or the delta variant.

James___ wrote:So most people are not immunized against it.

James___ wrote:But how can they be required to be vaccinated against another variant when it's still not known what will need to be done.

James___ wrote:And in other news, an NFL player developed cardiomyopathy because of covid.

IBdaMann wrote:

for the sake of argument I'm willing to accept that IL-6 might very well inflame the thymus.

Of course, you need to show why this is, in any way, a big deal, since the thymus stops doing its thing and turns to fat once adulthood is reached.

Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


And covid triggers the IL-6.

Nope. I'm not buying it. You need to show me that this happens before I'll accept it. I don't think it does.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:And in other news, an NFL player developed cardiomyopathy because of covid.

Nope. COVID doesn't cause cardiomyopathy.

Perhaps if your project works out, you'll be able to have a life knowing that COVID is just a mild flu.

Is there a particular reason you have decided to join forces with the panic-peddlers?

keepit wrote:ibd,Covid can cause cardiomyopathy.

keepit wrote:
ibd,
Covid can cause cardiomyopathy. Check with the medical authorities on that and shut your stupid mouth.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
And now over 2,000 flights have been cancelled. And this is because airline employees contracted the covid virus.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-delta-alaska-airlines-cancel-holiday-flights-omicrons-spread-rcna9876

Yup, it takes a work force to run an airline. How many people were terminated because they refused the vaccine? Wait!.....United and Delta both have vaccine mandates! I guess that stupid policy isn't working out too well for them.

Healthy workers were terminated, and so many vaccinated workers are getting Covid they have to cancel 2,000 flights. Damn....merry Christmas.

If you say it's so then it must be true, right?

Omicron is not the same as covid 19 or the delta variant. So most people are not immunized against it. The people that you speak of are immunized against covid 19 and the delta variant. But how can they be required to be vaccinated against
another variant when it's still not known what will need to be done. And as you and your friends promote, why do anything? We don't travel or do anything but go to work and sit home hiding in your caves.
Some of us like the freedom of getting out of our caves and going places and doing things.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
And now over 2,000 flights have been cancelled. And this is because airline employees contracted the covid virus.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-delta-alaska-airlines-cancel-holiday-flights-omicrons-spread-rcna9876

Yup, it takes a work force to run an airline. How many people were terminated because they refused the vaccine? Wait!.....United and Delta both have vaccine mandates! I guess that stupid policy isn't working out too well for them.

Healthy workers were terminated, and so many vaccinated workers are getting Covid they have to cancel 2,000 flights. Damn....merry Christmas.

If you say it's so then it must be true, right?

Omicron is not the same as covid 19 or the delta variant. So most people are not immunized against it. The people that you speak of are immunized against covid 19 and the delta variant. But how can they be required to be vaccinated against
another variant when it's still not known what will need to be done. And as you and your friends promote, why do anything? We don't travel or do anything but go to work and sit home hiding in your caves.
Some of us like the freedom of getting out of our caves and going places and doing things.

The current vaccines are based the earliest strains that hit Wuhan. several dominant strains behind the pandemic. The vaccines should have been updated for each dominant strain, since following variants would be more closely related. They new there would be some adaptations in the virus, as it adjusted to human hosts. It's always been about selling an un-needed product, over public health and safety. Long as there is a pandemic, a lot of people are getting filthy rich, so they can have a better life. Covid, is just another name for the common cold.

No one is forced to hide in their basement. We are free to wander as we please. If you want to travel to other countries, you only have the freedom allowed by their laws. I plan to ride out this pandemic vaccine and infection free. As an essential worker, there has been no disruption in my employment. Been at risk of infection every work day, since the pandemic came to America. Have been exempt from all the 'fun' restrictions. Got only a couple more weeks, before being faced with a bigger threat, than a cold virus. Biden's OSHA mandate... Such nice 'Thank You', for my selfless risking infection, to provide an essential service. Weekly nose-raping testing, or a worthless injection every 6 months. If course, I could quit, or get fired. Hopefully, my employers find a clever work-around. Maybe the state of Florida will step in to protect my rights. Don't think the legal challenges are done yet either.

Omicron is evasive to the current vaccines, basically worthless. Getting the vaccines now, only gets you a club membership card, that allows you to discriminate against healthy Americans.

Spongy Iris posted:
"With advanced ageing the zinc pool undergoes progressive reduction as shown by the low zinc plasma levels and the negative crude zinc balance, both in humans and in rodents.

Spongy Iris posted:
It has been suggested that such zinc deficiency might be involved in many age-related immunological dysfunctions, including thymic failure.

Spongy Iris posted:The relevance of zinc for good functioning of the entire immune system is, at present, well documented.

Spongy Iris posted:In particular, zinc is required to confer biological activity to one of the best-known thymic peptides, thymulin, which is responsible for cell-mediated immunity.

Spongy Iris posted:In deep zinc deficiencies,

Spongy Iris posted:... in humans and other animals, the low thymulin levels are due not to a primary failure of the thymus, but to a reduced peripheral saturation of thymic hormones by zinc ions. I

Spongy Iris posted: Oral zinc supplementation in old mice (22 months old) for 1 month induced a complete recovery of crude zinc balance

Spongy Iris posted:A full recovery of thymic functions with a regrowth of the organ and a partial restoration of the peripheral immune efficiency, as measured by mitogen responsiveness (PHA and ConA) and natural killer cell (NK) activity, were observed after zinc supplementation.

Spongy Iris posted:These findings clearly pin-point for relevance of zinc

James___ wrote:Besides, things are getting better for me.

James___ wrote:Bessler's wheel should work

James___ wrote: And I have a plan B so no worries here.

James___ wrote:It bothers me to think that I might be expanding the field of atmospheric chemistry in science while you guys are working on your insults.

James___ wrote: Just kind of makes me glad that my mother was smart enough to marry a Norwegian jet stream.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
And now over 2,000 flights have been cancelled. And this is because airline employees contracted the covid virus.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-delta-alaska-airlines-cancel-holiday-flights-omicrons-spread-rcna9876

Yup, it takes a work force to run an airline. How many people were terminated because they refused the vaccine? Wait!.....United and Delta both have vaccine mandates! I guess that stupid policy isn't working out too well for them.

Healthy workers were terminated, and so many vaccinated workers are getting Covid they have to cancel 2,000 flights. Damn....merry Christmas.

If you say it's so then it must be true, right?

Omicron is not the same as covid 19 or the delta variant. So most people are not immunized against it. The people that you speak of are immunized against covid 19 and the delta variant. But how can they be required to be vaccinated against
another variant when it's still not known what will need to be done. And as you and your friends promote, why do anything? We don't travel or do anything but go to work and sit home hiding in your caves.
Some of us like the freedom of getting out of our caves and going places and doing things.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


And covid triggers the IL-6.

Nope. I'm not buying it. You need to show me that this happens before I'll accept it. I don't think it does.

Here you go:

Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


And covid triggers the IL-6.

Nope. I'm not buying it. You need to show me that this happens before I'll accept it. I don't think it does.

Here you go:

Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

T cells do not destroy the thymus.
T cells are NOT created in the thymus. They are created in the lymphatic system. They only mature in the thymus (but they CAN mature elsewhere).

The thymus plays a role in childhood and especially during puberty. It helps to drive the conversion to adulthood. After that, it shrinks, converting to fat. It no longer has as major a role to play in the human body. It never completely disappears, but much of it does.

T cells are created in the lymphatic system. They can be fully programmed there as well. That is part of what the lymph nodes do. T cells can certainly mature (be programmed) in the thymus (hence the name), but the lymphatic system is perfectly capable of doing that as well.

B cells are created in the bone marrow. They can be fully programmed there. This is part of what bone marrow does.

When infection occurs, both T and B cells that match the offending virus replicate, and dispatch the virus. This is far better than the white blood cells, since their only method of attacking the virus is to attack and kill any cells infected with it. It is the white blood cells killing whole cells, that give you that raw feeling of the sore throat. Your immune system is working to protect you, even sacrificing your own cells to do it.

The T and B cells destroy the virus before they infect a cell.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:


And covid triggers the IL-6.

Nope. I'm not buying it. You need to show me that this happens before I'll accept it. I don't think it does.

Here you go:

Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

T cells do not destroy the thymus.
T cells are NOT created in the thymus. They are created in the lymphatic system. They only mature in the thymus (but they CAN mature elsewhere).

The thymus plays a role in childhood and especially during puberty. It helps to drive the conversion to adulthood. After that, it shrinks, converting to fat. It no longer has as major a role to play in the human body. It never completely disappears, but much of it does.

T cells are created in the lymphatic system. They can be fully programmed there as well. That is part of what the lymph nodes do. T cells can certainly mature (be programmed) in the thymus (hence the name), but the lymphatic system is perfectly capable of doing that as well.

B cells are created in the bone marrow. They can be fully programmed there. This is part of what bone marrow does.

When infection occurs, both T and B cells that match the offending virus replicate, and dispatch the virus. This is far better than the white blood cells, since their only method of attacking the virus is to attack and kill any cells infected with it. It is the white blood cells killing whole cells, that give you that raw feeling of the sore throat. Your immune system is working to protect you, even sacrificing your own cells to do it.

The T and B cells destroy the virus before they infect a cell.

It looks like IL-6 might be what destroys T cells. Perhaps IL-6 damages your thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote:
"Interleukin (IL)-6 is a pleiotropic, proinflammatory cytokine produced by a variety of cell types, including lymphocytes, monocytes, and fibroblasts. Infection by SARS-CoV induces a dose-dependent production of IL-6 from bronchial epithelial cells. COVID-19-associated systemic inflammation and hypoxemic respiratory failure can be associated with heightened cytokine release, as indicated by elevated blood levels of IL-6, C-reactive protein (CRP), D-dimer, and ferritin."

"IL-6 is responsible for stimulating acute phase protein synthesis, as well as the production of neutrophils in the bone marrow. It supports the growth of B cells and is antagonistic to regulatory T cells."

Spongy Iris wrote:
As earlier cited research indicates, zinc can help regenerate your thymus.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Although it is doubtful zinc can shield it from damage, or reduce the severity of an infection, if your thymus is at least in better shape, it might be able to sustain a hit more effectively.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Zinc might also help to prevent declining lymphocyte production in aging adults.