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Wrote this ethics essay on factory farming, looking for feedback.21-10-2023 00:24
Antotoro
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I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

Sources
21-10-2023 03:44
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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Humans are omnivores. It's not an either/or issue. Humans need both meat and plants. It's possible to survive meat free for long periods of time, but it's not ideal. Vegans are gassy too... It's part of digesting large quantities of plants. Which is sort of why humans eat meat... Our digestive systems aren't gear toward consuming large quantities of plants. Cows, and similar herbivores are though. They do all the work, basically all they do in life, processing vegetation. The flesh provides most every nutritional need. Vegans need to consume large quantities, and vast variety, just to come close. They still rely on supplements, which probably are all from plants... They do have the option of processed, factory packaged vegan meals, with everything added for descent nutrition. Much less bulk, than natural foods. But, all those additives can't be good. The chemicals added, are purely to enhance profits. Still all the perceived problem of the meat industry. Least with a ribeye steak, you know what it's suppose to look like, taste like. There are vegan versions of meat, but never want to try any of them. Just too many steps in the process, which is more opportunities for contamination.

Even the IPCC admits that the most common, plentiful 'greenhouse' gas is water vapor. Cumulatively, it's more potent than all other 'greenhouse' gasses combine. They compare using the same volume, not proportions in the atmosphere to dodge the issue. Nearly 80% of the planet surface is water. No chance in controlling water vapor from forming. Controlling the less common gasses, pointless.
21-10-2023 04:19
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Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

Sources


So what is your point in one sentence?

Great writers have this ability.


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
21-10-2023 05:19
GasGuzzler
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Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback.

No, you are looking for a place to preach your climate change religion.
Antotoro wrote:
No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened.

What exactly is climate change? What has "happened"? Can I safely assume it's a sexy buzzword used to make global warming more believable?
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.

You do realize you are trying to kill millions?
Antotoro wrote:
which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect

OK, so we ARE discussing global warming. I suspected as such.
Dude, you've bought into the lies. Heat is the flow of thermal energy via conduction, convection and radiation. It ALWAYS flows from hot to cold. The suns electromagnetic radiation reaches the earths surface and converts it to thermal energy and it begins to flow...warmer to cooler. A cooler gas cannot heat a warmer surface. Carbon dioxide or methane are just another way for the surface to COOL itself as all thermal energy works it's way back into space.
There is no "greenhouse effect". A greenhouse REDUCES heat (the flow of thermal energy) by preventing convective heat, therefore staying warmer. No gas has the ability to warm the earth or prevent convection. Carbon dioxide is neither an insulator nor an energy source. It is a conductor of thermal energy. It absorbs and emits.
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment

I suspect this is just like the robots putting the auto workers out of jobs. Almost no auto workers left anymore.
Antotoro wrote:
lower quality meat,

Why are you arguing this to be a problem when you are arguing to abolish meat?
Antotoro wrote:
and even a potential of causing starvation.

abolishing meat will take care of this just fine
Antotoro wrote:
competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well

This is how free markets thrive. This is how economies thrive. This is how wealth is created. Liberals despise successful citizens earning shitloads while not under the gov bootheel. Really? I'm wrong about that? Listen to yourself!!!
Antotoro wrote:
In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms

Free and thriving markets are not created by destroying free and thriving markets. Only the government will be able to "save" us from the problems it creates. In this case the created problem is global warming. It is nothing more than the creation of a fear mongering lie by which they frighten gullible morons such as yourself into believing you are someone special because you care enough to destroy your neighbor.
Edited on 21-10-2023 06:00
21-10-2023 11:52
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Humans are omnivores. It's not an either/or issue. Humans need both meat and plants. It's possible to survive meat free for long periods of time, but it's not ideal. Vegans are gassy too... It's part of digesting large quantities of plants. Which is sort of why humans eat meat... Our digestive systems aren't gear toward consuming large quantities of plants. Cows, and similar herbivores are though. They do all the work, basically all they do in life, processing vegetation. The flesh provides most every nutritional need. Vegans need to consume large quantities, and vast variety, just to come close. They still rely on supplements, which probably are all from plants... They do have the option of processed, factory packaged vegan meals, with everything added for descent nutrition. Much less bulk, than natural foods. But, all those additives can't be good. The chemicals added, are purely to enhance profits. Still all the perceived problem of the meat industry. Least with a ribeye steak, you know what it's suppose to look like, taste like. There are vegan versions of meat, but never want to try any of them. Just too many steps in the process, which is more opportunities for contamination.

Even the IPCC admits that the most common, plentiful 'greenhouse' gas is water vapor. Cumulatively, it's more potent than all other 'greenhouse' gasses combine. They compare using the same volume, not proportions in the atmosphere to dodge the issue. Nearly 80% of the planet surface is water. No chance in controlling water vapor from forming. Controlling the less common gasses, pointless.


What is your plan to kill all carnivores such as lions, tigers and bears to keep them from eating meat? and will this make the World a better place?


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
RE: Excellent post, and welcome!21-10-2023 11:56
sealover
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Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

Sources



Welcome to our new member!

This excellent post addresses many different issues related to factory farming, any one of which is worthy of separate discussion.

The connections to climate change are multiple, and I have a special interest in the topic as a biogeochemist.

Antotoro, I'd be happy to provide you with relevant information.

For example, my published work is cited in papers about how free ranging ruminants can reduce their digestive methane emissions significantly, compared to factory farms, by feeding on rangeland species with the optimal polyphenol composition.

As a sentient human being who has been around many kinds of livestock in both free range, or at least cage free conditions compared to those packed into death camp conditions.

Their entire lives are torture.

And then there is the problem of how to feed them all.

Well, take cropland and use it to grow animal feed to bring to the factory. What could be the downside to that? (sarcasm intended)

And the problem of what to do with all the urine and feces from the densely populated site. Although, in fairness, factory farms release orders of magnitude less nitrogen into groundwater or surface water compared to croplands. Unless there is a flood.

You can certainly smell the ammonia they emit, but nitrous oxide is the more environmentally significant gas getting into the atmosphere from the decomposing urine and manure concentrated at the factory farm.

Here's a new sales pitch for free ranging livestock. It is now known that the disturbance caused to the soil by livestock hooves is beneficial to rangeland productivity, particularly if the herd is frequently on the move.

Another pitch is that the corn and soybeans we grow might be better spent on human nutrition, cutting out the livestock middleman who takes a 90% cut.

We can still get plenty of meat from free ranging, or at least cage free livestock.
21-10-2023 21:08
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Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

Sources


Actually you copied the above from Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall#:~:text=Goodall%20has%20also%20said%3A%20%22Thousands,cookbook%20titled%20Eat%20Meat%20Less.

Turd


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
21-10-2023 21:58
James_
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Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.



You'd force people to become vegetarians? Why don't you just suggest people make fewer babies to decrease the world population?

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/ockhamsrazor/there-are-not-enough-resources-to-support-the-worlds-population/5511900
21-10-2023 22:51
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James_ wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.



You'd force people to become vegetarians? Why don't you just suggest people make fewer babies to decrease the world population?

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/ockhamsrazor/there-are-not-enough-resources-to-support-the-worlds-population/5511900


He might force you to become a vegetarian. He would only force me to eat more meat, and remind him that morons are technically edible if other meat sources become scarce, which will end up with him raising chickens and cows for my lunch.


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
21-10-2023 23:27
Antotoro
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Humans are omnivores. It's not an either/or issue. Humans need both meat and plants. It's possible to survive meat free for long periods of time, but it's not ideal. Vegans are gassy too... It's part of digesting large quantities of plants. Which is sort of why humans eat meat... Our digestive systems aren't gear toward consuming large quantities of plants. Cows, and similar herbivores are though. They do all the work, basically all they do in life, processing vegetation. The flesh provides most every nutritional need. Vegans need to consume large quantities, and vast variety, just to come close. They still rely on supplements, which probably are all from plants... They do have the option of processed, factory packaged vegan meals, with everything added for descent nutrition. Much less bulk, than natural foods. But, all those additives can't be good. The chemicals added, are purely to enhance profits. Still all the perceived problem of the meat industry. Least with a ribeye steak, you know what it's suppose to look like, taste like. There are vegan versions of meat, but never want to try any of them. Just too many steps in the process, which is more opportunities for contamination.

Even the IPCC admits that the most common, plentiful 'greenhouse' gas is water vapor. Cumulatively, it's more potent than all other 'greenhouse' gasses combine. They compare using the same volume, not proportions in the atmosphere to dodge the issue. Nearly 80% of the planet surface is water. No chance in controlling water vapor from forming. Controlling the less common gasses, pointless.


Firstly, I appreciate you putting you time into giving me feedback, although I'm not all that sure if you've read the whole essay, or if you are only nitpicking small details I mention that you assume are implying a generalization.

I have not mentioned the enforcement of a vegan diet at all throughout the whole essay, nor have I asked for people to remove meat from their whole diet. The largest difference with cows and sheep, as stated in the essay, is that their digestive tract is different from ours; they produce significant amounts of methane (way more than us humans do).

The main goal of my essay was to examine the pros and cons of factory farming, and as stated at the end of the 1st paragraph, my belief is that "Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible." I am not trying to eradicate the meat industry. I am only proposing that it be altered in attempt to lessen its impact on global greenhouse gas emissions.


About greenhouse gasses, it is true that water vapor is the most common greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Thus, some may see that the emissions of other greenhouse gasses are not all that important. Yet, a noticeable increase in average global temperatures can been seen in the previous few years. Yes, there's no direct way to trace this back to an increase in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, a correlation can still be formed, and there has been no reasoning or evidence that it increase in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere isn't the cause of global warming.

Once again, thank you for the feedback. I wish you a good rest of your day.
21-10-2023 23:32
Antotoro
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Swan wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

Sources


So what is your point in one sentence?

Great writers have this ability.


I followed an essay format that I believe many people use.
My thesis statement is the last sentence of my introduction paragraph:

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."
21-10-2023 23:39
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Antotoro wrote:
Swan wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback. I am also interested in some sources related to public polling and national policies regarding factory farming if anyone can link me to some.

The famous primatologist and animal activist Dr. Jane Goodall once said, "Thousands of people who say they love animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs"(Farm Sanctuary). Although her main line of work was not associated with the agriculture industry, her statement is well founded, as factory farming has been brought to the attention of the public more and more. In the past century, the world's population grew four-fold, while new innovations and research have made mass scale farming cheaper. Those were two of the main factors that paved the way for the agriculture industry to become the largest industry in the world. The agriculture industry is the second greatest cause of global carbon emissions contributing to almost a third of the global emissions, only behind the use of energy for electricity, transport and other modern technology (Ritchie Food). Among the many smaller industries within the agricultural sector, the use of factory farming is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses, notably methane and nitrous oxide (Ritchie How Much). Recently, more and more people have been spreading awareness about the cruelty towards animals in factory farming systems, but the environmental impacts of the systems are also very significant in the argument against factory farming. No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened and that its continued change is inevitable. Regardless of the ethical ideology you follow, whether it is utilitarianism or deontology, climate change impacts the world as a whole, only impacting various people in various ways at various magnitudes. Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.



First introduced in the 1930s, factory farming is commonly used by farmers who seek to achieve the greatest profits for both their land usage (When Did). Alongside the overall cruelty to farm animals, factory farming often uses processes or practices that release far more greenhouse gasses than other farming practices, either traditional or more modern. Firstly, some farm animals such as cattle and sheep are known as ruminant animals, animals who have different digestive systems that allow them to digest foods that are inedible to other animals. As a by-product of this unique type of digestion, lots of methane is produced and released into the atmosphere. On top of that, according to NASA, methane is 30 times more potent in insulating the heat in the atmosphere, making its impact far greater than some may expect from it being such a small percentage of the atmosphere's greenhouse gasses (Gray). In terms of potential plans of methane removal from the atmosphere, methane's scarcity in the atmosphere as compared to carbon dioxide and other gasses makes removal more difficult. In turn, scientists have focused more on using the process of oxidation to turn the methane into carbon dioxide, which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect (Bond).

Outside of the farms, the production of crops to feed the animals in factory farms requires about 40 times more water than the water needed if farmers used grazing to feed their animals (Compassion). On top of that, fertilizers were most likely also used to aid the production of crops fed to farm animals, which release nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas more potent than even methane, into the atmosphere (Robert). Additionally, manure from farm animals also releases methane and nitrous oxide into the atmosphere, only adding to the large amount of greenhouse gasses that factory farming is emitting.

Outside of its impacts on climate change, factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment, lower quality meat, contamination of natural systems, and even a potential of causing starvation. From the aspect of unemployment, newer technologies and techniques used in factory farming bring in some automation to the farming, causing not only workers at factory farms but also other farmers who use traditional methods of farming to lose their jobs. Automation and poor livestock conditions also cause meat to be lower quality and possibly contain diseases or make humans more resistant to antibiotics. Either from direct contact between workers and farm animals or from disease passed through the animals' meat, the CDC states that "Scientists estimate that more than 6 out of every 10 known infectious diseases in people can be spread from animals, and 3 out of every 4 new or emerging infectious diseases in people come from animals"(Zoonotic). On the other hand, pesticides and fertilizers may contaminate the local environment, while the farming itself also drains the land of its nutrients, often inhibiting future farming at the same location. Lastly, if the world's population continues to grow, there is a risk of factory farming accentuating the hunger issue, as farming meat is overall less efficient when compared to farming fruits and vegetables.



On the contrary, some may support the usage of factory farming for its many benefits as well. The first of the benefits is the cheaper cost to produce meats, leading to greater profits. The compact size of factory farming practices allows for farmers to produce lots of produce, leading to more profits, while still saving money on land costs. Although this may benefit workers in the industry, farmers who are aware of the consequences of climate change would most likely still stray away from factory farming unless they were very selfish or in desperate situations. Some farmers around the world are indeed quite selfish or in desperate situations, leading to the factory farms we see today. In countries such as Brazil and Indonesia, though, farmers gain cheap land in forests and use a practice called slash-and-burn to clear the land for farming both animals and the produce to feed to the animals, notably cattle. This method of clearing forests is cheap for farmers, but especially harmful to the environment due to the large amount of carbon dioxide released by the burning of trees and other plants. At the same time, competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well, but as said, the meat of factory farms is lower quality than those of traditional farming. More specifically, products from factory farms often contain "harmful bacteria, pesticide residue, antibiotics and artificial hormones, all of which can be harmful to consumers,"(Food) while pasture raised products have less calories and total fat, "higher levels of vitamins and a healthier balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fats"(Raising).



As climate change continues, considerations over the reduction or elimination of factory farming must be made, even if some groups may suffer from the economic or political changes. Obviously, one easy solution is using the utilitarian approach: totally boycotting the meat industry as a whole. The problem with this approach is that boycotting a trillion dollar industry is unrealistic without total government control of the economy. Even then, almost all of the current infrastructure of the world's meat industry consists of factory farming and the farms that feed its animals. In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms. Still, the utilitarian viewpoint does point out the urgency of the large amount of greenhouse gasses generated from the meat industry, as climate change has reached the point where scientists have discussed the boundaries that cannot be crossed to ensure human survival.

Instead of following the utilitarian approach, one's ideals may stray closer to a deontological approach, seeing the protection of the environment and the humane treatment of animals in agriculture as the obligatory duty. Supporters of this deontological approach may still encourage the total boycott of the meat industry, although some may still look to retain the more ethical traditional methods of animal agriculture. With recent discoveries in the cultivation of animal cells, some may also reject traditional farming practices and support a full reliance on cultivated meats.

Regardless of the ideology, the most extreme approach of each ideology will have something along the lines of total independence from farming or even eating meat. Many people may oppose this more radical change, some viewing meat as an important aspect of their religion, while others may cling onto the meat-containing foods that they enjoy. Either way, it is practically impossible for the farming of livestock to be totally eradicated, as those who seek economic opportunity, even if they must go through illegal means, will find a way to supply any product that is in demand. Thus, there must be ways for countries to deal with the environmental consequences of the meat industry without abolishing it as a whole. One way to do so with the methane produced by ruminant animals was stated by Ermias Kebreab in his TED Talk about his research on feeding different foods as supplements to cattle. In his talk, he states that feeding as little as 60 to 80 grams of seaweed "reduces emissions by over 80 percent"(Kebreab). Kebreab then explains that "Some seaweeds contain ingredients that directly inhibit microbes in the cow's gut from forming methane without interfering with food digestion"(Kebreab).



Other solutions aside from avoiding the production or consumption of animal meat include offsetting emissions to become closer to carbon neutral, adding an extra price tag onto carbon emissions, and the adoption of sustainable practices. Like many corporations who made declarations about becoming carbon neutral within a time span, factory farms can try to become carbon neutral or help the climate crisis by planting new trees to replace trees that were originally cut down for farming. On the political side, policies can be made to make products or services, in this case, meat, more expensive based on the environmental impact of the practices behind the product. Overall, sustainable practices such as using green energy for transportation and electricity, using environmentally safe fertilizers and pesticides, and selling locally all can help convert society into one that will survive climate change.

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So what is your point in one sentence?

Great writers have this ability.


I followed an essay format that I believe many people use.
My thesis statement is the last sentence of my introduction paragraph:

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."


Actually you copied and pasted from wiki. LOL are you aware that 99.9% of vegetables are produced by factory farms? So you murder corn, wheat and carrots every day

Dopey


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 21-10-2023 23:42
21-10-2023 23:42
Antotoro
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback.

No, you are looking for a place to preach your climate change religion.
Antotoro wrote:
No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened.

What exactly is climate change? What has "happened"? Can I safely assume it's a sexy buzzword used to make global warming more believable?
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.

You do realize you are trying to kill millions?
Antotoro wrote:
which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect

OK, so we ARE discussing global warming. I suspected as such.
Dude, you've bought into the lies. Heat is the flow of thermal energy via conduction, convection and radiation. It ALWAYS flows from hot to cold. The suns electromagnetic radiation reaches the earths surface and converts it to thermal energy and it begins to flow...warmer to cooler. A cooler gas cannot heat a warmer surface. Carbon dioxide or methane are just another way for the surface to COOL itself as all thermal energy works it's way back into space.
There is no "greenhouse effect". A greenhouse REDUCES heat (the flow of thermal energy) by preventing convective heat, therefore staying warmer. No gas has the ability to warm the earth or prevent convection. Carbon dioxide is neither an insulator nor an energy source. It is a conductor of thermal energy. It absorbs and emits.
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment

I suspect this is just like the robots putting the auto workers out of jobs. Almost no auto workers left anymore.
Antotoro wrote:
lower quality meat,

Why are you arguing this to be a problem when you are arguing to abolish meat?
Antotoro wrote:
and even a potential of causing starvation.

abolishing meat will take care of this just fine
Antotoro wrote:
competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well

This is how free markets thrive. This is how economies thrive. This is how wealth is created. Liberals despise successful citizens earning shitloads while not under the gov bootheel. Really? I'm wrong about that? Listen to yourself!!!
Antotoro wrote:
In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms

Free and thriving markets are not created by destroying free and thriving markets. Only the government will be able to "save" us from the problems it creates. In this case the created problem is global warming. It is nothing more than the creation of a fear mongering lie by which they frighten gullible morons such as yourself into believing you are someone special because you care enough to destroy your neighbor.


Yes you may say that I am trying to "preach" my "climate change religion," but the intention of this post was not to spread awareness about the content of my essay. I was instead looking for ways I could improve my essay and further my interest in these topics.

According to the UN, "Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns." It may potentially be seen as a buzzword for those who do not fully grasp the topic, but I is indeed a coined term focused on changes in climate that have become increasingly apparent recently.

When you say "You do realize you are trying to kill millions?". I am not in charge of the policymaking, and in turn I myself am not exactly causing any deaths. I am advocating for policy to be changed "as soon as possible", and with possible, I would hope that lives are being put before the policy changes.
22-10-2023 00:02
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
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Antotoro wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I was looking for some opinions and potential feedback.

No, you are looking for a place to preach your climate change religion.
Antotoro wrote:
No matter how you look at it, it is undeniable that climate change has already happened.

What exactly is climate change? What has "happened"? Can I safely assume it's a sexy buzzword used to make global warming more believable?
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible.

You do realize you are trying to kill millions?
Antotoro wrote:
which will then further contribute to the overall problem of carbon dioxide emissions and increase the heating caused by the greenhouse effect

OK, so we ARE discussing global warming. I suspected as such.
Dude, you've bought into the lies. Heat is the flow of thermal energy via conduction, convection and radiation. It ALWAYS flows from hot to cold. The suns electromagnetic radiation reaches the earths surface and converts it to thermal energy and it begins to flow...warmer to cooler. A cooler gas cannot heat a warmer surface. Carbon dioxide or methane are just another way for the surface to COOL itself as all thermal energy works it's way back into space.
There is no "greenhouse effect". A greenhouse REDUCES heat (the flow of thermal energy) by preventing convective heat, therefore staying warmer. No gas has the ability to warm the earth or prevent convection. Carbon dioxide is neither an insulator nor an energy source. It is a conductor of thermal energy. It absorbs and emits.
Antotoro wrote:
factory farming also creates a variety of other issues, such as unemployment

I suspect this is just like the robots putting the auto workers out of jobs. Almost no auto workers left anymore.
Antotoro wrote:
lower quality meat,

Why are you arguing this to be a problem when you are arguing to abolish meat?
Antotoro wrote:
and even a potential of causing starvation.

abolishing meat will take care of this just fine
Antotoro wrote:
competition between farmers can cause the price of meat to decrease, making the price cheaper to consumers as well

This is how free markets thrive. This is how economies thrive. This is how wealth is created. Liberals despise successful citizens earning shitloads while not under the gov bootheel. Really? I'm wrong about that? Listen to yourself!!!
Antotoro wrote:
In order for the world to shift to a diet with little to no meat, trillions of dollars will likely need to be invested into creating new infrastructure to make up for the loss of production through the shutting down of factory farms

Free and thriving markets are not created by destroying free and thriving markets. Only the government will be able to "save" us from the problems it creates. In this case the created problem is global warming. It is nothing more than the creation of a fear mongering lie by which they frighten gullible morons such as yourself into believing you are someone special because you care enough to destroy your neighbor.


Yes you may say that I am trying to "preach" my "climate change religion," but the intention of this post was not to spread awareness about the content of my essay. I was instead looking for ways I could improve my essay and further my interest in these topics.

According to the UN, "Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns." It may potentially be seen as a buzzword for those who do not fully grasp the topic, but I is indeed a coined term focused on changes in climate that have become increasingly apparent recently.

When you say "You do realize you are trying to kill millions?". I am not in charge of the policymaking, and in turn I myself am not exactly causing any deaths. I am advocating for policy to be changed "as soon as possible", and with possible, I would hope that lives are being put before the policy changes.


Do you have any spare crack and meth for sale? I am trying to kick LSD cold turkey and need some new less dangerous chems


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 22-10-2023 00:04
22-10-2023 00:41
James_
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Antotoro wrote:
I followed an essay format that I believe many people use.
My thesis statement is the last sentence of my introduction paragraph:

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."


This wouldn't be economically feasible. Not all farms can be like this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpESZDVfkU

And I am aware that in India that cows are sacred. And if people wish for them to be sacred then India is a good place for them to live. That is like Jews are kosher and will not eat pork while they like lamb. And yet who doesn't like bacon? A Jew wouldn't. They are better than that. I like bacon so I'm not someone Jews would like. Myself, a greasy double bacon cheeseburger would hit the spot.
22-10-2023 01:43
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James_ wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I followed an essay format that I believe many people use.
My thesis statement is the last sentence of my introduction paragraph:

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."


This wouldn't be economically feasible. Not all farms can be like this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpESZDVfkU

And I am aware that in India that cows are sacred. And if people wish for them to be sacred then India is a good place for them to live. That is like Jews are kosher and will not eat pork while they like lamb. And yet who doesn't like bacon? A Jew wouldn't. They are better than that. I like bacon so I'm not someone Jews would like. Myself, a greasy double bacon cheeseburger would hit the spot.





IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 22-10-2023 02:06
22-10-2023 05:13
GasGuzzler
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Antotoro wrote:
Yes you may say that I am trying to "preach" my "climate change religion," but the intention of this post was not to spread awareness about the content of my essay. I was instead looking for ways I could improve my essay


Please understand my criticism is intended in the most constructive way possible.

If you want to improve your essay, then you should have an understanding of what you are discussing. Your claim is that cows farts are causing global warming. This needs to be discussed, as it is the premise of your entire article.

You have no clue how heat works or even what it is. Start there. Understand it, and don't let others (UN, IPCC) do your thinking for you! If you can first make a solid case that you have falsified the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, only then can you make a solid case for cow farts warming the planet.

1) Temperature and energy must move in the same direction. Where is the additional energy that is raising the temperature?

2) Heat is the flow of thermal energy, always flowing from hot to cold and starting with the earths surface. There is no "re-radiating back to the surface". That would be heat flowing from cold to hot. Not possible.

Antotoro wrote:
According to the UN,

I couldn't give a squirt of piss what the UN has to say on the topic. I want to hear from YOU and YOUR understanding of the topic. I want you to think for YOU. I want you to know when to call bullchit.

Antotoro wrote:
Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns.

There are no weather patterns. This is another buzzword. Weather is entirely random.

Antotoro wrote:
It may potentially be seen as a buzzword for those who do not fully grasp the topic,

You wrote the paper claiming the temperature of the earth is rising without additional energy. I think the grasp issue is yours.

Antotoro wrote:
but it is indeed a coined term focused on changes in climate that have become increasingly apparent recently.

OK, let's tackle the most obvious...the "increasing global temperature".
Do you have any idea how the global temp is measured? Did you let someone do your thinking for you again and you became their useful and gullible moron?
This may shock you, but there is no way to measure the global temperature. I couldn't believe when I heard it either, but after doing my own learning, I was no longer gullible.
Satellites DO NOT measure temperature. They could if the emissivity value of the entire earth was known. To get that value is quite easy though. First you just need to know the global temperature......uh oh. See what just happened there? See how those who are doing your thinking for you are plucking numbers out of their ass?



Antotoro wrote:
When you say "You do realize you are trying to kill millions?". I am not in charge of the policymaking, and in turn I myself am not exactly causing any deaths.

But you are!! You said so yourself in your thesis statement.

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."

Antotoro wrote:
I would hope that lives are being put before the policy changes.

I would hope that you would better understand a topic before calling for the abolition of industry, food, families, and entire economies in the name of a giant hoax.

I do appreciate your time and I do hope you stick around. Just ignore swan, he's pretty stupid.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
22-10-2023 05:28
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Swan wrote:
Actually you copied and pasted from wiki.

Actually I don't believe that you are even that stupid. He quoted something someone else said. He named that person, and correctly punctuated it.

You could learn something here. You should quote someone before assigning them a bogus position. You have yet to actually quote IBdaMann saying there was no ice age. You can't do it, yet you claim it frequently. You are a lying bag of dicks.


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
22-10-2023 05:55
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Swan wrote:
James_ wrote:
Antotoro wrote:
I followed an essay format that I believe many people use.
My thesis statement is the last sentence of my introduction paragraph:

"Overall, despite the potential impact on the farming industry and the cost of animal products, the practices of factory farming should be abolished or dealt with as soon as possible."


This wouldn't be economically feasible. Not all farms can be like this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpESZDVfkU

And I am aware that in India that cows are sacred. And if people wish for them to be sacred then India is a good place for them to live. That is like Jews are kosher and will not eat pork while they like lamb. And yet who doesn't like bacon? A Jew wouldn't. They are better than that. I like bacon so I'm not someone Jews would like. Myself, a greasy double bacon cheeseburger would hit the spot.





And OPEC could easily do another oil embargo like 1973/74 but aren't doing that.
The question is why.
22-10-2023 06:17
Antotoro
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James_ wrote:
This wouldn't be economically feasible. Not all farms can be like this one;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpESZDVfkU

And I am aware that in India that cows are sacred. And if people wish for them to be sacred then India is a good place for them to live. That is like Jews are kosher and will not eat pork while they like lamb. And yet who doesn't like bacon? A Jew wouldn't. They are better than that. I like bacon so I'm not someone Jews would like. Myself, a greasy double bacon cheeseburger would hit the spot.


Hmm. I get that is economically feasible, so my initial claim to totally abolish the use of factory farming may be too extreme. Overall, I would still believe reducing the amount of factory farming/percentage of farming that is factory farming still right? I don't think I am implying that the consumption of meat is banned, just to alter the process of the production, which may impact the economy as a whole, but will also reduce the amount of greenhouse gasses emitted into the atmosphere.
22-10-2023 06:19
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sealover wrote:

Welcome to our new member!

This excellent post addresses many different issues related to factory farming, any one of which is worthy of separate discussion.

The connections to climate change are multiple, and I have a special interest in the topic as a biogeochemist.

Antotoro, I'd be happy to provide you with relevant information.

For example, my published work is cited in papers about how free ranging ruminants can reduce their digestive methane emissions significantly, compared to factory farms, by feeding on rangeland species with the optimal polyphenol composition.

As a sentient human being who has been around many kinds of livestock in both free range, or at least cage free conditions compared to those packed into death camp conditions.

Their entire lives are torture.

And then there is the problem of how to feed them all.

Well, take cropland and use it to grow animal feed to bring to the factory. What could be the downside to that? (sarcasm intended)

And the problem of what to do with all the urine and feces from the densely populated site. Although, in fairness, factory farms release orders of magnitude less nitrogen into groundwater or surface water compared to croplands. Unless there is a flood.

You can certainly smell the ammonia they emit, but nitrous oxide is the more environmentally significant gas getting into the atmosphere from the decomposing urine and manure concentrated at the factory farm.

Here's a new sales pitch for free ranging livestock. It is now known that the disturbance caused to the soil by livestock hooves is beneficial to rangeland productivity, particularly if the herd is frequently on the move.

Another pitch is that the corn and soybeans we grow might be better spent on human nutrition, cutting out the livestock middleman who takes a 90% cut.

We can still get plenty of meat from free ranging, or at least cage free livestock.


Got it, thanks for the additional information. I'll be sure to check out some published works on these topics.
22-10-2023 09:31
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Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...
22-10-2023 13:17
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
22-10-2023 14:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


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22-10-2023 14:37
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.



And still more trillions of plants murdered.




IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
22-10-2023 15:15
GasGuzzler
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(3011)
Swan wrote:
Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately.


Congratulations are in order! You have just achieved an unprecedented level of stupid. Corn aand bean plants are green when they are living. Harvest is done when the plant has died and some drying of the crop has taken place.

Congrats!!!!


Radiation will not penetrate a perfect insulator, thus as I said space is not a perfect insulator.- Swan
22-10-2023 17:44
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(5197)
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year


WTF? Plants are food. Animal meat is food. Animals eat a lot of plants, and not too concerned over whether its just the leaf, or the entire plant. Not sure about murdered vegetables, since they grow for food. Most wouldn't survive the winter, like your tomato plants... Isn't better to harvest, and ship to were they can be put to good use, rather than simply rot? Harvesting doesn't always kill the plant either. Some crops can produce two, even three harvests per year, without re-planting. For a tomato farmer, you sure don't know much about plants. Or you have some weird emotional/sexual attachment to vegetables... Food, is simply food, an is going to die when consumed.
22-10-2023 18:06
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.



And still more trillions of plants murdered.



Clueless moron... Lot of plants survive, if the roots remain mostly intact. Takes a really hard freeze during the winter to kill them. Which rarely happens. Farms plow the fields for other reasons, and replant. With grains, only the seed stalk is harvested. The plant can send up several during a growing season. How often do you mow your lawn? If you have one... I get seed stalks here, in about two weeks. Don't think the city would let me get away with letting them mature, to re-seed. Would be more than a few weeks. I do know hay and wheat are good for two harvests out west, where I grew up.
22-10-2023 18:31
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
GasGuzzler wrote:
Swan wrote:
Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately.


Congratulations are in order! You have just achieved an unprecedented level of stupid. Corn aand bean plants are green when they are living. Harvest is done when the plant has died and some drying of the crop has taken place.

Congrats!!!!


Actually every grain is the mammal equivalent of a fertilized embryo destined to become an adult plant, all murdered to feed your fat face. So asswipe seeds are not dead, just dormant waiting for the right conditions to grow the next generation.

So are you proud to murder trillions of plants

You may now slather on some more Vaseline.

Congrats!!!!


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 22-10-2023 19:10
22-10-2023 18:39
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
HarveyH55 wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.



And still more trillions of plants murdered.



Clueless moron... Lot of plants survive, if the roots remain mostly intact. Takes a really hard freeze during the winter to kill them. Which rarely happens. Farms plow the fields for other reasons, and replant. With grains, only the seed stalk is harvested. The plant can send up several during a growing season. How often do you mow your lawn? If you have one... I get seed stalks here, in about two weeks. Don't think the city would let me get away with letting them mature, to re-seed. Would be more than a few weeks. I do know hay and wheat are good for two harvests out west, where I grew up.


You tell yourself whatever you need to justify your plant genocide, no matter I am still going to eat my half of a cow and about 100 chickens and about 1600 chicken eggs, whites only

So are you proud to be part of the corn genocide?




IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 22-10-2023 18:42
RE: Bovine burps and antibiotic resistance22-10-2023 20:22
Im a BM
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(955)
Antotoro wrote:
sealover wrote:

Welcome to our new member!

This excellent post addresses many different issues related to factory farming, any one of which is worthy of separate discussion.

The connections to climate change are multiple, and I have a special interest in the topic as a biogeochemist.

Antotoro, I'd be happy to provide you with relevant information.

For example, my published work is cited in papers about how free ranging ruminants can reduce their digestive methane emissions significantly, compared to factory farms, by feeding on rangeland species with the optimal polyphenol composition.

As a sentient human being who has been around many kinds of livestock in both free range, or at least cage free conditions compared to those packed into death camp conditions.

Their entire lives are torture.

And then there is the problem of how to feed them all.

Well, take cropland and use it to grow animal feed to bring to the factory. What could be the downside to that? (sarcasm intended)

And the problem of what to do with all the urine and feces from the densely populated site. Although, in fairness, factory farms release orders of magnitude less nitrogen into groundwater or surface water compared to croplands. Unless there is a flood.

You can certainly smell the ammonia they emit, but nitrous oxide is the more environmentally significant gas getting into the atmosphere from the decomposing urine and manure concentrated at the factory farm.

Here's a new sales pitch for free ranging livestock. It is now known that the disturbance caused to the soil by livestock hooves is beneficial to rangeland productivity, particularly if the herd is frequently on the move.

Another pitch is that the corn and soybeans we grow might be better spent on human nutrition, cutting out the livestock middleman who takes a 90% cut.

We can still get plenty of meat from free ranging, or at least cage free livestock.


Got it, thanks for the additional information. I'll be sure to check out some published works on these topics.




Hello again, Antotoro!

As I see the kind of comments being posted, I hope you haven't already given up hope for some kind of rational discussion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that by "factory farms", you were referring to confined animal feeding operations (CAFOs), not greenhouses.

If there is genuine concern about plant genocide, let's stop murdering crops just to feed them to livestock. We could reduce the horrific slaughter of crops by 80-90% by putting them into our own bodies instead of feeding them to other animals for us to eat.

"Cow farts" demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of ruminant digestion. The methane doesn't come out the back end.

In a cow, for example, one of multiple stomachs acts as a fermentation chamber. Under very low oxygen conditions, a protozoan (single celled animal) which hosts bacteria, breaks down cellulose. The bacteria produce an enzyme that protozoans and cows can't make to digest cellulose.

The very low oxygen conditions of the ruminant gut also allows methanogenic fermentation by independent contractor bacteria, producing methane gas, which the cow then BURPS out of its mouth. One possible origin for the fire breathing dragon myth might have been a cow in the distance, burping near a spark.

Some factory farms have already voluntarily made the switch away from confined feeding operations because of antibiotic resistance developing among livestock pathogens. I think of the story of the pig farmer who almost died from an antibiotic resistant infection, and changed his whole operation just to protect his own health. Disease spreads very easily among livestock packed into confined feeding operations. And if a flood passes through, the manure lagoons can spread the disease far and wide.

One more story about managing livestock in a way that builds up soil fertility and organic matter content.

"Plaggen sods" and similar soils were created by farmers centuries ago, beginning with soils that were inherently infertile (conifer forests, etc.).

Pine needles and other leaf litter were collected from the surrounding forest to use as animal bedding. When the bedding got old and full of urine and manure, they would take it out to the farm and add it to the soil. There was very minimal emission of nitrous oxide, methane, ammonia, etc., and no nitrate or other contamination getting into ground water or surface water.

The farm soil just got more fertile and rich in organic carbon as time went on.

Nowadays they might be able to get some carbon offset credits for doing this.
23-10-2023 00:22
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(5197)
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.



And still more trillions of plants murdered.



Clueless moron... Lot of plants survive, if the roots remain mostly intact. Takes a really hard freeze during the winter to kill them. Which rarely happens. Farms plow the fields for other reasons, and replant. With grains, only the seed stalk is harvested. The plant can send up several during a growing season. How often do you mow your lawn? If you have one... I get seed stalks here, in about two weeks. Don't think the city would let me get away with letting them mature, to re-seed. Would be more than a few weeks. I do know hay and wheat are good for two harvests out west, where I grew up.


You tell yourself whatever you need to justify your plant genocide, no matter I am still going to eat my half of a cow and about 100 chickens and about 1600 chicken eggs, whites only

So are you proud to be part of the corn genocide?



Totally idiotic nonsense coming from a tomato farmer... Every tomato you eat, has seeds... You replant every year, but with already started plants from the store. Pretty odd, since you could start your own, save a bundle, and get better plants. But then again, you post mostly nonsense, and doubtful, or current. Maybe it was your daddy who grew tomatoes, but you never had much luck.
23-10-2023 00:43
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
HarveyH55 wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Ever consider that factory farming is a more controlled environment, than just letting animals wander around, consuming anything they can get to. Drinking from any source of water. Injuries, infestations, infections... The animals are a product, and protecting them is profit.

Farm land is shrinking in many areas. Farming has never been hugely profitable, and a lot of work. It's not for everyone. Many sell off land to developers, who build affordable housing, condos, townhouses, strip-malls... Solar and wind farms take up a lot of land as well. Land stripped of vegetation...

Earlier this year, the FDA approved lab cultivated chicken 'meat'. Basically vat grown chicken muscle/fat tissue, as food. Might provide some of the bulk, nutritional requirements, but would be lacking many provided by the live bird. The nutritional value is further degraded, since it's pre-cooked, before leaving the factory. Partly to kill the cells, and anything else that might be growing in the vat. The vat is also the perfect environment for any cell, bacteria or otherwise... Quite likely, they would also want to protect the process, and destroy the DNA, so other startup companies don't profit of their work. The product from the factory, will be reheated, cooked again before consumed. Further degrading any nutritional value. Least no live chickens were tortured in cages...

Cattle grazing in pastures hasn't been profitable for decades. Takes a lot of grazing land, for the amount of demand. Takes weeks/months for vegetation to regrow. We can't create more land, or knock down people's homes to expand farms. We need to make more efficient use of the remaining land. Our expanding population needs housing, just as much as food. Abolishing efficient farming, reduces supply, driving up costs, and consumer prices. Doesn't really improve profit, or quality. Consumers will be forced to buy foods they can afford. Which of course would be government approved, and subsidized. Basically, anything processed and pre-packaged, could be anything that resembles food... Real food would be for the wealthy, or those able to grow their own. The bulk of the population would have little choice to eat what the government offers as nutrition, Soylent Green...


Over 99 percent of vegetables come from factory farms, harvested by million dollar factory farming machines, in fact trillions of vegetables are murdered by vegetarians every year

Making up numbers and using them as 'data' is a fallacy, dummy.


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.



And still more trillions of plants murdered.



Clueless moron... Lot of plants survive, if the roots remain mostly intact. Takes a really hard freeze during the winter to kill them. Which rarely happens. Farms plow the fields for other reasons, and replant. With grains, only the seed stalk is harvested. The plant can send up several during a growing season. How often do you mow your lawn? If you have one... I get seed stalks here, in about two weeks. Don't think the city would let me get away with letting them mature, to re-seed. Would be more than a few weeks. I do know hay and wheat are good for two harvests out west, where I grew up.


You tell yourself whatever you need to justify your plant genocide, no matter I am still going to eat my half of a cow and about 100 chickens and about 1600 chicken eggs, whites only

So are you proud to be part of the corn genocide?



Totally idiotic nonsense coming from a tomato farmer... Every tomato you eat, has seeds... You replant every year, but with already started plants from the store. Pretty odd, since you could start your own, save a bundle, and get better plants. But then again, you post mostly nonsense, and doubtful, or current. Maybe it was your daddy who grew tomatoes, but you never had much luck.


While tomatos can be started from seeds, there is no way to know what tomatos will be produced from these seeds due to cross pollination and hybridization, unless the grower had only one type of tomato in the garden and I had 12 this year. LOL if you need further botanical information I can be of assistance, but I can not fix your eggplant IQ.

LOL, I fully support meat and animal farming, you are the veg head, so stop killing trillions of seeds


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

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So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
RE: such a valuable discussion...24-10-2023 20:00
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Swan wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:


How many wheat plants per acre? All murdered for vegetarian bread.

Millions of dollars worth of harvesters killing billions of individual plants indiscriminately. And asses like you complain about the half of a cow that I eat per year. Do the math turd, as you are helping murder trillions of plants to feed your fat face.

Clueless moron... Lot of plants survive, if the roots remain mostly intact. Takes a really hard freeze during the winter to kill them. Which rarely happens. Farms plow the fields for other reasons, and replant. With grains, only the seed stalk is harvested. The plant can send up several during a growing season. How often do you mow your lawn? If you have one... I get seed stalks here, in about two weeks. Don't think the city would let me get away with letting them mature, to re-seed. Would be more than a few weeks. I do know hay and wheat are good for two harvests out west, where I grew up.


You tell yourself whatever you need to justify your plant genocide, no matter I am still going to eat my half of a cow and about 100 chickens and about 1600 chicken eggs, whites only

So are you proud to be part of the corn genocide?

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Totally idiotic nonsense coming from a tomato farmer... Every tomato you eat, has seeds... You replant every year, but with already started plants from the store. Pretty odd, since you could start your own, save a bundle, and get better plants. But then again, you post mostly nonsense, and doubtful, or current. Maybe it was your daddy who grew tomatoes, but you never had much luck.[/quote]

While tomatos can be started from seeds, there is no way to know what tomatos will be produced from these seeds due to cross pollination and hybridization, unless the grower had only one type of tomato in the garden and I had 12 this year. LOL if you need further botanical information I can be of assistance, but I can not fix your eggplant IQ.

LOL, I fully support meat and animal farming, you are the veg head, so stop killing trillions of seeds[/quote]

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Again if you had the right botanical information you would know that cross pollination means that the seeds of my tomatos may not produce the same tomato that the seed came from as the wind and bees result in the new seeds producing unknown hybrids, kind of like how you are dumber than either your mom or dad who your mom only met once behind the dumpster

You may now continue sniffing glue


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 24-10-2023 23:47




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