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Too much scaling up these days30-12-2022 19:31
keepit
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For example -
Putin and ukraine , how is that working out?
Trump - how is all of that working out?
FTX - Not working out so well either.
Musk - tesla and twitter are having problems as well.
Millions of homebuyers - So many of them trying to improve their housing situation that prices have jumped 40% during the last 2 years. It turns into a big problem for many people.
Even representative santos tried to scale up his life. what a joke he is.

It's like scaling up is the way to go in life for many people.
Edited on 30-12-2022 19:33
31-12-2022 20:02
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If Joe wasn't paying for it, Ukraine would have lost months ago. How many billion has he spent on Ukraine this year?

Trump remains a serious threat to democrats. Wish he'd let the American people in on why they are so afraid.

Musk knows that electric cars are no longer profitable, and soon to take a huge fall. Parts and materials need to manufacture EVs will only get more expensive, and harder to get reliably. Governments will continue to pressure for cheaper, affordable EVs. Costs are going up, and so will the price tag. Government subsidies and incentives won't last, or help much. Pretty much all the 'green' technology use the same scarce resources... Musk is smart enough to know when to dump, while it's still showing profits. Twitter will be fine. Democrats, and enemies of freedom, are little butt-hurt, from loosing control of one of their indoctrination tools. They fight a while to either regain control, or destroy it. Don't see either happening.

Housing is going to be a big issue for a while. Biden has been releasing hundreds of thousands of 'immigrants', since taking office. Sort being sneaky about it, and keeping the 'border-crisis' out of the news. He proclaimed the covid pandemic was over last spring, so no justification to hide behind Title 42. He'll open the gates shortly, and the flood begins... He will also have to deal with literally millions already over the border, waiting for their cases to go through the bureaucracy. Amnesty is his only option at this point, but he has no way to stop the flood. All those 'immigrants' need housing, food, jobs. Joe can't help them all... Most will do, what they know best, from the former country, rob and murder, to get what they want/need...

Housing... I got a strange letter from the 'Florida Department of State, Division of Historic Resources' about my home. For some reason, they want to enter my home in the National Historic Registry. Didn't give any details of why my property is of any historical significance. It was built in 1946, and bought and lived in it since 1992. It's just a house, never heard any stories of anything interesting about it. The city has been trying for decades to create a downtown historical district, for grant money. My property is just inside the area they want to designate. It's a small town, and really nothing noteworthy.
31-12-2022 22:52
GasGuzzler
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Housing... I got a strange letter from the 'Florida Department of State, Division of Historic Resources' about my home. For some reason, they want to enter my home in the National Historic Registry. Didn't give any details of why my property is of any historical significance. It was built in 1946, and bought and lived in it since 1992. It's just a house, never heard any stories of anything interesting about it. The city has been trying for decades to create a downtown historical district, for grant money. My property is just inside the area they want to designate. It's a small town, and really nothing noteworthy.

Don't do it! My sister and her husband were dumb enough to buy a historical society house, on the cheap. Needed total renovation. They need 6 permits and written permission to replace a downspout. I'm exaggerating, but seriously, they must follow certain guidelines and materials lists for what they can do with a home they own.


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01-01-2023 02:38
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GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Housing... I got a strange letter from the 'Florida Department of State, Division of Historic Resources' about my home. For some reason, they want to enter my home in the National Historic Registry. Didn't give any details of why my property is of any historical significance. It was built in 1946, and bought and lived in it since 1992. It's just a house, never heard any stories of anything interesting about it. The city has been trying for decades to create a downtown historical district, for grant money. My property is just inside the area they want to designate. It's a small town, and really nothing noteworthy.

Don't do it! My sister and her husband were dumb enough to buy a historical society house, on the cheap. Needed total renovation. They need 6 permits and written permission to replace a downspout. I'm exaggerating, but seriously, they must follow certain guidelines and materials lists for what they can do with a home they own.


I'm sure the City is looking to snatch my property out from under me. The historical downtown district thing has failed in the past, hoping it follows that trend. There really isn't anything downtown worth preserving, but they do need parking space, and room for other things. They need room to grow, and they need some of these properties to demolish. Someone from Tallahassee is suppose to come down, and inspect every property submitted to the registry. Hopefully, they'll be less than impressed, and see it for what it is. None of the buildings are architecturally interesting, or even original. Most have had storm damage, repaired, upgraded.
06-01-2023 22:41
James_
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keepit wrote:
For example -
Putin and ukraine , how is that working out?
Trump - how is all of that working out?
FTX - Not working out so well either.
Musk - tesla and twitter are having problems as well.
Millions of homebuyers - So many of them trying to improve their housing situation that prices have jumped 40% during the last 2 years. It turns into a big problem for many people.
Even representative santos tried to scale up his life. what a joke he is.

It's like scaling up is the way to go in life for many people.



Putin/Russia might just be emulating Trump/U.S. and Israel. That's political.
Scaling up is about capitalism and growing the economy. No one considers how
to maintain the economy/infrastructure.
One aspect of capitalism is that someone builds something people want like a car.
Then when a bank loans them money to buy a car, the economy grows. The problem is if people get a 4 or 5 yer loan for the car and keep it for 10 years.
Being 1/2 Norwegian a lot of Americans hate me. In Norway everyone has health insurance and a high standard of living. Evil socialism.
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"? And yet the central issue might be how much credit people have to carry to support the economy? Capitalism is based on credit. And yet while I'm not like gasguzzler and
Harvey55 who have everything, I am willing to do without becuase I have my power tools for woodworking.
There's really nothing more satisfying than screwing 2 boards together or even routing a detail onto the edge of a board that I'll stain. Yep, I can get by with my power tools.
06-01-2023 23:08
GasGuzzler
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James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


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07-01-2023 03:32
James_
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?
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07-01-2023 04:54
James_
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I knew searching German rocket scientist had only one answer. Everything about rocket science is based on his work just as relativity is based on Einstein. How German is Trump? At least 25% and he could be 100%. We simply haven't heard.
It is well known that Warner von Braun came to America and NASA was created. He is the father of America's space agency. No 3rd Reich no NASA. Might be why America should be a little nicer towards those who aren't as powerful.
07-01-2023 04:58
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James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?


Cute toy car... Can every Norwegian afford to drive one? Looks a little small for me. Not that I can't drive most anything with wheels, I'm 6'4", and prefer room to stretch out. That's what's great about capitalism. Not everyone has to own the same things, or limited to a few options.
07-01-2023 05:28
James_
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?


Cute toy car... Can every Norwegian afford to drive one? Looks a little small for me. Not that I can't drive most anything with wheels, I'm 6'4", and prefer room to stretch out. That's what's great about capitalism. Not everyone has to own the same things, or limited to a few options.



When a cheap model costs $3.65 million, can you afford socialism?
Socialism ain't cheap.
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07-01-2023 05:33
GasGuzzler
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James_ wrote:
America should be a little nicer towards those who aren't as powerful.

Who and what is to blame for this American position of strength?


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07-01-2023 06:09
James_
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
America should be a little nicer towards those who aren't as powerful.

Who and what is to blame for this American position of strength?



Other countries buying the American dollar. If they buy the Euro instead then the EU will become America.
07-01-2023 06:18
GasGuzzler
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James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
America should be a little nicer towards those who aren't as powerful.

Who and what is to blame for this American position of strength?



Other countries buying the American dollar. If they buy the Euro instead then the EU will become America.


...and what shall we blame the strength of the dollar on?


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07-01-2023 07:32
James_
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
America should be a little nicer towards those who aren't as powerful.

Who and what is to blame for this American position of strength?



Other countries buying the American dollar. If they buy the Euro instead then the EU will become America.


...and what shall we blame the strength of the dollar on?



That's too easy. If other countries buy the Euro instead of the U.S. dollar then
you'll know the answer.
07-01-2023 17:57
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James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?


Cute toy car... Can every Norwegian afford to drive one? Looks a little small for me. Not that I can't drive most anything with wheels, I'm 6'4", and prefer room to stretch out. That's what's great about capitalism. Not everyone has to own the same things, or limited to a few options.



When a cheap model costs $3.65 million, can you afford socialism?
Socialism ain't cheap.


So, that would be what the 'elite' class drive. What would the average, peasant class drive? Something with two legs? Least, before they had to slaughter it, before starving to death. Does socialist health insurance put food on the table, for those suffering malnutrition?

Cars that like that have only on use. Something you can drive around, advertising that you are rich and privileged. Nothing more than a frivolous toy. Even if I was an elitist, doubt that car would interest me.
07-01-2023 23:59
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GasGuzzler wrote:Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.

Exactly. When we decide for ourselves, we have a free market. This falls under the category of "liberty".

Without free markets, there is no freedom and no liberty.

You might notice that all tyrannical governments lock down strict regulations on all commerce, and slather taxation all over it.

GasGuzzler wrote:Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

I'm going to quibble with your wording.

Marxism imposes equality in the only way it finds palatable, i.e. render everyone equally broke and totally dependent upon the government. I claim that there is never any effort to give more to those with less. There is only the claim of giving more to those with less, as a play on the gullible masses to let the Marxism do their thinking for them ... because it sounds so altruistic and delivers a self-righteousness fix that feels better than most drugs. It gets even better when combined with feelings of victimhood. I'm sure you've wondered how someone like LeBron James could complain about being such a victim at the hands of white people. You might have noticed that people like LeBron James who demand "equality" (as an undefined buzzword) aren't signing over all of their immense wealth to those with less until they have less wealth than anyone else.

GasGuzzler wrote:Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both.

Wisdom 101: "Capitalism" was the slur coined by Karl Marx to denigrate sound economic principles ... because Karl Marx was pouting like a baby at the time in full realization that he was simply not competitive. He didn't know anything and he couldn't do anything. He was a lazy-ass-son-of-a-bitch who felt entitled to an easy life delivered to him for free without him having to do anything beyond stuffing his face with food brought to him by people who would adjust his cushions for him for maximum comfort. As such, Karl Marx HATED, and thus denigrated, the concept of competition because that is what makes everything so UNFAIR (you have to imagine that being pouted with a curled lower lip and a stomping of the foot). Modern day Marxists HATE sports, believing that sports are used to indoctrinate children into sound economic principles by focusing their impressionable minds on understanding competition and on doing what is needed to win ... because we all know that by winning, the losers are made to suffer and it's just not right. Competition, of course, should be illegal everywhere, always ... especially in schools. One of the greatest evils is making children feel bad when they don't measure up to arbitrary standards. Standards should be illegal everywhere, always.

Capitalism = sound economic principles

Freedom invites competition.

Competition unecessarily creates losers and sadness.

Elimination of competition prevents winners and losers.

If elimination of competition prevents even one loser from being revealed, then it's worth it.

The government is in the best position to prevent competition and free markets.

The government is in the best position to fight capitalism.

You can count on your government to fight for you against capitalism

Conservatives and Libertarians want free markets, ergo they're evil.

Wait! What's evil? Conservatives and Libertarians or free markets? A: Yes.

Returning to my claim that there is no effort to give more to those with less, I nonetheless acknowledge that this sometimes happen, through wealth redistribution, but this is purely incidental to the confiscation of wealth from those who have more of it. Wealth redistribution involves direct confiscation of wealth by those perceived as "wealthy" but is always redistributed to those with less in such a way that it is immediately spent/lost and is never saved or invested.

GasGuzzler wrote: There are three items remaining that I still don't have.

Nope. There are five. I have two secret items with which I am waiting to surprise you the moment you think you have acquired everything, and I'm going to be there with my camera so I can capture the look on your face. You're going down.

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08-01-2023 02:16
GasGuzzler
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[quote]IBdaMann wrote:
I'm going to quibble with your wording.

There will be no quibble with your quibbling.
IBdaMann wrote:
I claim that there is never any effort to give more to those with less. There is only the claim of giving more to those with less, as a play on the gullible masses to let the Marxism do their thinking for them

Totally agree, and when I wrote "only after first feeding it's own appetite for power", it was implied that a socialist government will take from big earners, feed themselves and give what's leftover to those with little, BUT, when does ANY government EVER feel they have enough? Never! Therefore, those with little get nothing more, and those with a lot had it stolen, and now they also have little. Now you have equality, not by building up, but by tearing down.

You and all your brilliance had to go and eloquently and clearly spell it out so that even James can understand. I don't get you, IBdaMann.
IBdaMann wrote:
Modern day Marxists HATE sports, believing that sports are used to indoctrinate children into sound economic principles by focusing their impressionable minds on understanding competition and on doing what is needed to win

This is a connection I had never made. The hatred for competition is clear. I just never linked it to sports, more specifically children's sports (early indoctrination).

Thanks for this oh duh moment. Now I completely understand the reasoning behind the not keeping score BS. It's straight from Marx!
IBdaMann wrote:
I have two secret items with which I am waiting to surprise you the moment you think you have acquired everything, and I'm going to be there with my camera so I can capture the look on your face. You're going down.

There will be no look on my face. I have acquired 1 of the remaining three this afternoon. Only two left, then I own everything. I will not go down.


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08-01-2023 04:46
James_
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?


Cute toy car... Can every Norwegian afford to drive one? Looks a little small for me. Not that I can't drive most anything with wheels, I'm 6'4", and prefer room to stretch out. That's what's great about capitalism. Not everyone has to own the same things, or limited to a few options.



When a cheap model costs $3.65 million, can you afford socialism?
Socialism ain't cheap.


So, that would be what the 'elite' class drive. What would the average, peasant class drive? Something with two legs? Least, before they had to slaughter it, before starving to death. Does socialist health insurance put food on the table, for those suffering malnutrition?

Cars that like that have only on use. Something you can drive around, advertising that you are rich and privileged. Nothing more than a frivolous toy. Even if I was an elitist, doubt that car would interest me.



The standard of living in Norway and Sweden is comparable to the U.S. but with better healthcare. I might move to Indonesia myself. It'd be nice to get away from "pure" English speakers who can only talk about how good they are.
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Yep, capitalism hasn't figured out how to solve water shortages. As the Ogallala Aquifer goes dry farmers will produce less crops. And then Americans like you guys will complain about the high food prices. This might also affect other agricultural production.
This is where all of the focus on climate change has caused real issues to be ignore.
08-01-2023 05:25
GasGuzzler
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James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James_ wrote:
What people often overlook is when is having it good "good enough"?


Only I can decide that for myself and no one should ever attempt to tell when I do or don't have enough.
Yes, socialism is evil. It attempts equality by theft of those with more and giving it to those with less, only after first feeding it's own appetite for power.

Capitalism on the other hand, creates opportunity for those with less to gain more through work or ingenuity, or both. The really cool part is people with more get even more, so everyone participating is happy.

If you and your power tools are good enough, then good for you. You've "made it" and won't be asking me to pay for anything you want.

PS. I may have overlooked a few more errors you stated about capitalism, but hey, I need to go make some money so I can buy more stuff. I actually don't have everything. There are three items remaining that I still don't have.


Is this how socialism keeps people from prospering? Strange how the U.S. has no car that is close to what is made in a socialist country.
p.s., And Trump having illegal immigrant grandparents is what made MAGA. It's the illegal German immigrant and those of the 3rd Reich that made America great.
Search German rocket scientist and the answer is Wernher von Braun. He created NASA. That is very well known. Like Einstein is known for relativity, von Braun is known for rocket science. Both lived in Germany at the same time. Maybe we need to quit following Germany?


Cute toy car... Can every Norwegian afford to drive one? Looks a little small for me. Not that I can't drive most anything with wheels, I'm 6'4", and prefer room to stretch out. That's what's great about capitalism. Not everyone has to own the same things, or limited to a few options.



When a cheap model costs $3.65 million, can you afford socialism?
Socialism ain't cheap.


So, that would be what the 'elite' class drive. What would the average, peasant class drive? Something with two legs? Least, before they had to slaughter it, before starving to death. Does socialist health insurance put food on the table, for those suffering malnutrition?

Cars that like that have only on use. Something you can drive around, advertising that you are rich and privileged. Nothing more than a frivolous toy. Even if I was an elitist, doubt that car would interest me.


The standard of living in Norway and Sweden is comparable to the U.S. but with better healthcare.

Yet, neither of those countries have a border crisis. Let that sink in for a minute.

James_ wrote:
I might move to Indonesia myself.

Make up your mind already. I thought it was Australia. Sven can't keep up.

James_ wrote:
It'd be nice to get away from "pure" English speakers who can only talk about how good they are.

I'm a pure English speaker. Only Swan talks about how good he is. I only speak of how good we have it here in the states.

James_ wrote:
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Seriously? You are going to buy into this fear mongering. You are gullible.

James_ wrote:
Yep, capitalism hasn't figured out how to solve water shortages.

Really, when was the last time you couldn't get a drink of water? If it did ever happen, capitalism will solve that problem quickly. Why? Because some "greedy" bastard will quickly figure out he can make a couple bucks by fulfilling a need.

Gov has only stood in the way of solving water problems. Look no farther than California.


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08-01-2023 15:37
James_
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GasGuzzler wrote:

I'm a pure English speaker. Only Swan talks about how good he is. I only speak of how good we have it here in the states.

James_ wrote:
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Seriously? You are going to buy into this fear mongering. You are gullible.




GiGi, I think you're a bigot. As a "real" American, you don't need to learn what you're talking about. I find this hysterically funny.
You say climate change doesn't happen when in the northern hemisphere it is well known that there is natural climate variance.
But you're not gullible. If you were then you could say the warming now is what happens after it's been cold for several hundred years. But you're not smart enough to say that.
Instead you say there was no Little Ice Age and no Medieval Warm period when
they build cathedrals across Europe. The warmer weather allowed for a more prosperous people.
And yet you're not gullible. You are gullible (or is that just plain stupid?) if you don't believe that there isn't natural climate variance.
Edited on 08-01-2023 15:39
08-01-2023 17:10
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(4522)
Water shortages are mostly mis-management of natural resources. California often complains about drought, well least until last week. Now, it's flooding, mudslides... Few months, it will be drought, and wildfires as usual. Fresh water falls from the sky often enough. Most places have channeled/directed most of it to run-off to river/streams, and out to sea, quickly as they can to avoid flooding, or puddles of standing water. They know they are going to need water later in the year, but make no effort to store any of the surplus rainfall they get.

The aquifer will be fine. If it were an unreliable source of water, fewer people are going to bother trying to tap into it. They'll abandon using it, and find an alternative. It'll recover, naturally, over time. Food prices won't skyrocket, since we import quite a bit of it. Testament of how screwed up our government has become. US farmers can make any profit, because imports are cheaper. All the rules, regulations, minimum wage, fines for using illegal laborers... The government subsidizes certain crops, that store and ship well, like grains. Always in demand around the world, and a political bargaining tool.

Mankind has always found the resources they need, exploit the source into non-existence, they looked else where to gratify their needs. We are lazy animals, and hate doing any more work, than absolutely necessary to reach our goals.
08-01-2023 18:13
James_
★★★★☆
(1189)
HarveyH55 wrote:
Water shortages are mostly mis-management of natural resources. California often complains about drought, well least until last week. Now, it's flooding, mudslides... Few months, it will be drought, and wildfires as usual. Fresh water falls from the sky often enough. Most places have channeled/directed most of it to run-off to river/streams, and out to sea, quickly as they can to avoid flooding, or puddles of standing water. They know they are going to need water later in the year, but make no effort to store any of the surplus rainfall they get.

The aquifer will be fine. If it were an unreliable source of water, fewer people are going to bother trying to tap into it. They'll abandon using it, and find an alternative. It'll recover, naturally, over time. Food prices won't skyrocket, since we import quite a bit of it. Testament of how screwed up our government has become. US farmers can make any profit, because imports are cheaper. All the rules, regulations, minimum wage, fines for using illegal laborers... The government subsidizes certain crops, that store and ship well, like grains. Always in demand around the world, and a political bargaining tool.

Mankind has always found the resources they need, exploit the source into non-existence, they looked else where to gratify their needs. We are lazy animals, and hate doing any more work, than absolutely necessary to reach our goals.



No amount of salad dressing would make that word salad palatable.
08-01-2023 23:46
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(4522)
James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Water shortages are mostly mis-management of natural resources. California often complains about drought, well least until last week. Now, it's flooding, mudslides... Few months, it will be drought, and wildfires as usual. Fresh water falls from the sky often enough. Most places have channeled/directed most of it to run-off to river/streams, and out to sea, quickly as they can to avoid flooding, or puddles of standing water. They know they are going to need water later in the year, but make no effort to store any of the surplus rainfall they get.

The aquifer will be fine. If it were an unreliable source of water, fewer people are going to bother trying to tap into it. They'll abandon using it, and find an alternative. It'll recover, naturally, over time. Food prices won't skyrocket, since we import quite a bit of it. Testament of how screwed up our government has become. US farmers can make any profit, because imports are cheaper. All the rules, regulations, minimum wage, fines for using illegal laborers... The government subsidizes certain crops, that store and ship well, like grains. Always in demand around the world, and a political bargaining tool.

Mankind has always found the resources they need, exploit the source into non-existence, they looked else where to gratify their needs. We are lazy animals, and hate doing any more work, than absolutely necessary to reach our goals.



No amount of salad dressing would make that word salad palatable.


Sorry, but I wasn't serving comfort food, or organizing a pity-party. Everything we need is available, but we have to do some of the work.

How's the Bessler Wheel working theses days? Gas prices on the rise, again. Solar panels under a foot of snow. People are getting desperate for a reliable source of free-energy.
09-01-2023 00:50
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(13337)
HarveyH55 wrote:How's the Bessler Wheel working theses days?

Great question. James__, how's the B-wheel turning? Have we broken the quarter-turn mark? I'm guessing that you are pressing up against the full half-turn by now. Give us an update.

HarveyH55 wrote: People are getting desperate for a reliable source of free-energy.

Absolutely! ... and when James__ gets his project working and is able to have a life, the whole world will see physics in a new way and will come breaking down his door for some of that desperately needed energy he'll be generating for free.

Go James__! Give us that update!
09-01-2023 17:30
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:

I'm a pure English speaker. Only Swan talks about how good he is. I only speak of how good we have it here in the states.

James_ wrote:
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Seriously? You are going to buy into this fear mongering. You are gullible.



GiGi, I think you're a bigot. As a "real" American, you don't need to learn what you're talking about. I find this hysterically funny.
You say climate change doesn't happen when in the northern hemisphere it is well known that there is natural climate variance.
But you're not gullible. If you were then you could say the warming now is what happens after it's been cold for several hundred years. But you're not smart enough to say that.
Instead you say there was no Little Ice Age and no Medieval Warm period when
they build cathedrals across Europe. The warmer weather allowed for a more prosperous people.
And yet you're not gullible. You are gullible (or is that just plain stupid?) if you don't believe that there isn't natural climate variance.

What value is changing?? Climate has no values!


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-01-2023 05:36
James_
★★★★☆
(1189)
Into the Night wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:

I'm a pure English speaker. Only Swan talks about how good he is. I only speak of how good we have it here in the states.

James_ wrote:
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Seriously? You are going to buy into this fear mongering. You are gullible.



GiGi, I think you're a bigot. As a "real" American, you don't need to learn what you're talking about. I find this hysterically funny.
You say climate change doesn't happen when in the northern hemisphere it is well known that there is natural climate variance.
But you're not gullible. If you were then you could say the warming now is what happens after it's been cold for several hundred years. But you're not smart enough to say that.
Instead you say there was no Little Ice Age and no Medieval Warm period when
they build cathedrals across Europe. The warmer weather allowed for a more prosperous people.
And yet you're not gullible. You are gullible (or is that just plain stupid?) if you don't believe that there isn't natural climate variance.

What value is changing?? Climate has no values!



I think when the atmosphere is colder in the northern hemisphere and there are more glaciers and sea ice extent, those lower temperatures show a value that influences the climate.
But you're here because of your political beliefs. You guys who say that climate change doesn't happen are unable to say it is warmer now that 300 years ago and
then 800 to 1,100 years ago it is warm now as it was then.
This is a story about a Viking mountain pass that has been buried under ice for about 1,000 years. It shows it has been this warm before.
Archaeologists from the University of Cambridge in the UK and NTNU University Museum in Norway used radiocarbon dating on at least 60 artifacts from the site, suggesting the mountain pass was used by humans for over millennia, between 300 CE and 1500 CE. This also indicated that the mountain pass was most widely used around 1000 CE during the Viking Age, a time in Scandinavian history when Norsemen expanded their influence across Europe and beyond through trade.
https://www.iflscience.com/melting-glacier-reveals-longlost-viking-mountain-pass-and-ancient-relics-55688


That it was open for about 1,200 years suggests that it was this warm during all that time. This image is years before present.
Attached image:


Edited on 10-01-2023 05:37
10-01-2023 07:45
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(4522)
To put the whole climate issue at rest... When has planet Earth not been changing? Correlation/consensus is not causation. For as long as anyone can tell, the planet has been shifting and changing, from the beginning. Whether is from the book of Genesis, or any other textbook.

Meanwhile, more evidence of apocalyptic climate change... It rained in California, a deluge of biblical proportion. Punishment for their carbon-sins.
10-01-2023 16:14
James_
★★★★☆
(1189)
HarveyH55 wrote:
To put the whole climate issue at rest... When has planet Earth not been changing? Correlation/consensus is not causation. For as long as anyone can tell, the planet has been shifting and changing, from the beginning. Whether is from the book of Genesis, or any other textbook.

Meanwhile, more evidence of apocalyptic climate change... It rained in California, a deluge of biblical proportion. Punishment for their carbon-sins.



Think Ferengi and how they say hoo'man when you ignore what Darwin said.
Something about hoo'mans having the ability to adapt. In order to adapt it needs
to be understood what adaptation is necessary to support hoo'man evolution.
I happen to find geosciences interesting. After all, I realized that when a mountain pass had opened again that it has been this warm before.
What you forget about are people. Montana farmers might suffer as a result of climate change. How to adapt so they can keep the family farm which might provide you with what you're eating? You can say import so helping Americans doesn't matter. That is so American. Screw the farmer because we can import produce and grain. And this is why America is the greatest country in the world.
10-01-2023 16:35
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(13337)
HarveyH55 wrote:To put the whole climate issue at rest... When has planet Earth not been changing?

Unfortunately, this does not put any issue to rest. The ever-changing earth has nothing to do with a global climate concept. Please remember, one has to be stupid to confuse weather with climate. Please remember that "The Climate" isn't any change to the earth, but rather is what apparently causes every change to the earth, in the same way that a Christian might assert that any particular change was caused by God per His plan. I am assured by Climate experts that forest fires are not Climate Change, but are rather caused by Climate Change. Ditto for droughts, excellent crop yields, poor crop yields, floods, war, glacial calving, storms, ocean currents, peanut allergies, Venus being hot, i.e. everything.

HarveyH55 wrote: Correlation/consensus is not causation.

Correct. The conflation of correlation and causation is one of the most effective and powerful fallacies employed against the mathematically incompetent.

HarveyH55 wrote: For as long as anyone can tell, the planet has been shifting and changing, from the beginning.

Yes. It is a totally rational assumption that the planet is dynamic and always changing, even if the rate of change is on a scale that we humans consider to be very slow. Nonetheless, it is a matter of speculation and belief since it cannot be confirmed through any experiment, with any particular changes being even more speculative.

HarveyH55 wrote: Whether is from the book of Genesis, or any other textbook.

Exactly. When it comes to speculation and belief about the past, none is any more confirmed than any other. The only rational evaluation criteria available comprises the scientific method. Nonetheless, the scientific method does not apply when the belief is religious or involves the supernatural. In such cases, all speculation is fair game.

Once again, problems creep into discussions whenever belief/speculation is conflated with knowledge. People do this in discussions to make their opinions/beliefs become accepted as fact amongst the interlocutors without having those opinions/beliefs questioned and without having to provide any support. A clear indicator of habitual offenders in this area is the scream "You think that nothing can be known."

HarveyH55 wrote:Meanwhile, more evidence of apocalyptic climate change... It rained in California, a deluge of biblical proportion. Punishment for their carbon-sins.

Rational analysis does not apply when the belief is religious or involves the supernatural, e.g. the global climate. In such cases, all speculation is fair game and no one is required to buy into it.
10-01-2023 16:50
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
(3264)
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.
10-01-2023 19:28
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
James_ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James_ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:

I'm a pure English speaker. Only Swan talks about how good he is. I only speak of how good we have it here in the states.

James_ wrote:
And in a sign of the times there is this;
Great Salt Lake will disappear in 5 years without massive 'emergency rescue,' scientists say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/great-salt-lake-disappearing-drought-climate/index.html

Seriously? You are going to buy into this fear mongering. You are gullible.



GiGi, I think you're a bigot. As a "real" American, you don't need to learn what you're talking about. I find this hysterically funny.
You say climate change doesn't happen when in the northern hemisphere it is well known that there is natural climate variance.
But you're not gullible. If you were then you could say the warming now is what happens after it's been cold for several hundred years. But you're not smart enough to say that.
Instead you say there was no Little Ice Age and no Medieval Warm period when
they build cathedrals across Europe. The warmer weather allowed for a more prosperous people.
And yet you're not gullible. You are gullible (or is that just plain stupid?) if you don't believe that there isn't natural climate variance.

What value is changing?? Climate has no values!



I think when the atmosphere is colder in the northern hemisphere and there are more glaciers and sea ice extent, those lower temperatures show a value that influences the climate.
But you're here because of your political beliefs. You guys who say that climate change doesn't happen are unable to say it is warmer now that 300 years ago and
then 800 to 1,100 years ago it is warm now as it was then.
This is a story about a Viking mountain pass that has been buried under ice for about 1,000 years. It shows it has been this warm before.
Archaeologists from the University of Cambridge in the UK and NTNU University Museum in Norway used radiocarbon dating on at least 60 artifacts from the site, suggesting the mountain pass was used by humans for over millennia, between 300 CE and 1500 CE. This also indicated that the mountain pass was most widely used around 1000 CE during the Viking Age, a time in Scandinavian history when Norsemen expanded their influence across Europe and beyond through trade.
https://www.iflscience.com/melting-glacier-reveals-longlost-viking-mountain-pass-and-ancient-relics-55688


That it was open for about 1,200 years suggests that it was this warm during all that time. This image is years before present.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-01-2023 19:33
James_
★★★★☆
(1189)
IBdaMann wrote:

Rational analysis does not apply when the belief is religious or involves the supernatural, e.g. the global climate. In such cases, all speculation is fair game and no one is required to buy into it.



And Texas freezing in 2021 probably started with bushfires in Australia in 2019/20.
That suggests a cause and effect. Yet you're here to promote your political beliefs
and say that only politics has meaning.
10-01-2023 19:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
HarveyH55 wrote:
To put the whole climate issue at rest... When has planet Earth not been changing? Correlation/consensus is not causation. For as long as anyone can tell, the planet has been shifting and changing, from the beginning. Whether is from the book of Genesis, or any other textbook.

Meanwhile, more evidence of apocalyptic climate change... It rained in California, a deluge of biblical proportion. Punishment for their carbon-sins.


Nah. Just a bit worse than normal winter flash flooding for desert country. California is completely unable to cope with such storms anymore. They get a few of these types of storms every year, and every year they call it 'apocalyptic climate change' or some other nonsense phrase.

This one was wound up pretty tight. Produced some very strong offshore winds (we call them 'Chinook' winds here).

It should produce a nice load of snow for Utah and the skiers. Las Vegas may see some flooding again. That typically happens downtown, since Las Vegas is built on an old dry lake bed. Everything drains to there.

Climate cannot change. A storm is not 'climate' nor does it concern the whole Earth.

Remember the news media likes to make it a lot more than it really is.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 10-01-2023 19:50
10-01-2023 19:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
James_ wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:

Rational analysis does not apply when the belief is religious or involves the supernatural, e.g. the global climate. In such cases, all speculation is fair game and no one is required to buy into it.



And Texas freezing in 2021 probably started with bushfires in Australia in 2019/20.
That suggests a cause and effect. Yet you're here to promote your political beliefs
and say that only politics has meaning.

Post hoc fallacy.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-01-2023 19:56
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
James_ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
To put the whole climate issue at rest... When has planet Earth not been changing? Correlation/consensus is not causation. For as long as anyone can tell, the planet has been shifting and changing, from the beginning. Whether is from the book of Genesis, or any other textbook.

Meanwhile, more evidence of apocalyptic climate change... It rained in California, a deluge of biblical proportion. Punishment for their carbon-sins.



Think Ferengi and how they say hoo'man when you ignore what Darwin said.
Something about hoo'mans having the ability to adapt. In order to adapt it needs
to be understood what adaptation is necessary to support hoo'man evolution.
I happen to find geosciences interesting. After all, I realized that when a mountain pass had opened again that it has been this warm before.
What you forget about are people. Montana farmers might suffer as a result of climate change. How to adapt so they can keep the family farm which might provide you with what you're eating? You can say import so helping Americans doesn't matter. That is so American. Screw the farmer because we can import produce and grain. And this is why America is the greatest country in the world.

Climate cannot change. It has no value that can change.

Montana farmers routinely deal with temperatures ranging from -25 deg F to 100 deg F. They have no problem with raising grain.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-01-2023 19:57
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
gfm7175 wrote:
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.


Guess it's back to burning wood! MUCH better than clean burning natural gas or propane!

What is the idiot Biden going to do? Try to drive every natural gas supplier and every propane supplier out of business? Do you really think THAT's going to happen without a fight?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 10-01-2023 20:03
10-01-2023 20:14
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(13337)
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.


Guess it's back to burning wood! MUCH better than clean burning natural gas or propane!

What is the idiot Biden going to do? Try to drive every natural gas supplier and every propane supplier out of business? Do you really think THAT's going to happen without a fight?

I don't think Democrats care if business owners put up a fight or not. All they want is for businesses to fail and for society to become further and further dependent upon them.
11-01-2023 00:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(20153)
IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.


Guess it's back to burning wood! MUCH better than clean burning natural gas or propane!

What is the idiot Biden going to do? Try to drive every natural gas supplier and every propane supplier out of business? Do you really think THAT's going to happen without a fight?

I don't think Democrats care if business owners put up a fight or not. All they want is for businesses to fail and for society to become further and further dependent upon them.

It is obvious they don't care about anyone or anything but themselves.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
11-01-2023 02:28
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(4522)
gfm7175 wrote:
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.


Never going to happen... Too many people like the backyard BBQ... Gas for home use, isn't just the kitchen stove either. Water heaters, clothes dryer, backup generators, refrigeration... Heating and cooking are just more common.
11-01-2023 17:05
GasGuzzler
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(2689)
Into the Night wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Apparently natural gas stoves are "evil" now, per the Church of Green... There are now louder whispers from Feds to ban them in this nation.


Guess it's back to burning wood! MUCH better than clean burning natural gas or propane!

What is the idiot Biden going to do? Try to drive every natural gas supplier and every propane supplier out of business? Do you really think THAT's going to happen without a fight?

I don't think Democrats care if business owners put up a fight or not. All they want is for businesses to fail and for society to become further and further dependent upon them.

It is obvious they don't care about anyone or anything but themselves.

Call me crazy, or even a schizzo if you like. I think a 7 day moratorium on burning natural gas would be fantastic. So many morons would actually learn where electricity comes from.


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