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19-08-2019 09:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.


No, due to minimum wage laws.


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19-08-2019 17:59
HarveyH55
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keepit wrote:
There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.


You deserve to live at the level you are willing to work for. It's just working harder, more hours, it's about working to improve your knowledge and skills, so you qualify for better jobs.

Automation and outsourcing, never prevented anyone from being employed. Nobody is locked into one specific job at birth, and can't do anything else. We also aren't chained to our homes, trapped in any particular city, or state, unless you are involved in the corrections system. Many of the people having trouble getting, or keeping a job, tend to have other issues, drugs, criminal history, mental illness. Not sure if lazy is a mental issue. When I was young, I'd take any job I could find, any paycheck, was a good paycheck, much better than no paycheck. Not sure why people don't think that way anymore, guess they don't want to take a job, that pays less than welfare or unemployment.
19-08-2019 18:20
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keepit wrote: There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.

I'd like to address this one ... and there's no Rammstein playing so I'll tone down the rhetoric a bit.

One error that is evident in the above stems from Marxist ideology. It is the idea that the mere act of laboring/working makes one "deserving" of being provided a great life. This is what Marx was all about. Workers are the downtrodden heroes while those driving the economy with sound economic principles are the evil villains to be defeated.

In reality, society rewards those who add value. Those who work without adding value do not get rewarded. It is the society's/market's perception of that value that the price discovery mentioned by Into the Night occurs ... which ultimately determines the reward for s/he who is adding that value.

If you were to go to the beach and pound sand for eight hours every day, Karl Marx, were he alive today, would praise your work ethic and demand that you be afforded a living wage ... by stealing wealth from people who earned it (by adding value) and by "redistributing" that stolen wealth to those who weren't rewarded because they didn't add value, although they worked very hard. Marx was insane and he hated humanity.

Wealth redistribution is simply a Marxist cancer that punishes those who add value by confiscating what they earned. Wealth redistribution is simply a Marxist cancer that rewards people for avoiding adding value and by gifting to them the wealth confiscated from the value-adders. You might have been watching how this caused the slow-motion Venezuela train wreck starting about twenty years ago.


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Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

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21-08-2019 05:56
Deanster
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IBdaMann wrote:
keepit wrote: There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.



In reality, society rewards those who add value. Those who work without adding value do not get rewarded. It is the society's/market's perception of that value that the price discovery mentioned by Into the Night occurs ... which ultimately determines the reward for s/he who is adding that value.
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Not that I disagree with you, but for discussions sake, value is a subjective term. As such, the puppet masters manipulate the gullible to determine what is valuable ... such as your example. Socialist manipulate public perspective to create value for a socialist system. It's not until the poor idiots find out that it is all a scheme to benefit the elite that they realize they were sold a bunch of crap.
21-08-2019 10:31
HarveyH55
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Taxes, are part of running a business. The 'wealthy', aren't simply individuals, even though we have quite a few. The wealthy being taxed, to pay for the socialist programs, are the companies and businesses. The cost of doing business, is usually factored into the price consumers pay, for the goods and services. When they talk about taxing the wealthy they are talking about taxing everyone, since we all will have to pay a share of the increased cost of doing business.

Reducing taxes, reduces the cost of doing business. It helps companies to reduce prices, pay employees more, expand their businesses. Reduced taxes, also gives the government less revenue to spend, which socialist don't like. They like spending other people's money, money they didn't have to work for. They don't seem to understand the value of work or money. Work is something, some people do, if they feel it. Money is free, somebody else will provide all you want and need. Sometimes, you just have to encourage people with money, to give it to you, to spend as you please.
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