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19-08-2019 09:53
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.


No, due to minimum wage laws.


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19-08-2019 17:59
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keepit wrote:
There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.


You deserve to live at the level you are willing to work for. It's just working harder, more hours, it's about working to improve your knowledge and skills, so you qualify for better jobs.

Automation and outsourcing, never prevented anyone from being employed. Nobody is locked into one specific job at birth, and can't do anything else. We also aren't chained to our homes, trapped in any particular city, or state, unless you are involved in the corrections system. Many of the people having trouble getting, or keeping a job, tend to have other issues, drugs, criminal history, mental illness. Not sure if lazy is a mental issue. When I was young, I'd take any job I could find, any paycheck, was a good paycheck, much better than no paycheck. Not sure why people don't think that way anymore, guess they don't want to take a job, that pays less than welfare or unemployment.
19-08-2019 18:20
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.

I'd like to address this one ... and there's no Rammstein playing so I'll tone down the rhetoric a bit.

One error that is evident in the above stems from Marxist ideology. It is the idea that the mere act of laboring/working makes one "deserving" of being provided a great life. This is what Marx was all about. Workers are the downtrodden heroes while those driving the economy with sound economic principles are the evil villains to be defeated.

In reality, society rewards those who add value. Those who work without adding value do not get rewarded. It is the society's/market's perception of that value that the price discovery mentioned by Into the Night occurs ... which ultimately determines the reward for s/he who is adding that value.

If you were to go to the beach and pound sand for eight hours every day, Karl Marx, were he alive today, would praise your work ethic and demand that you be afforded a living wage ... by stealing wealth from people who earned it (by adding value) and by "redistributing" that stolen wealth to those who weren't rewarded because they didn't add value, although they worked very hard. Marx was insane and he hated humanity.

Wealth redistribution is simply a Marxist cancer that punishes those who add value by confiscating what they earned. Wealth redistribution is simply a Marxist cancer that rewards people for avoiding adding value and by gifting to them the wealth confiscated from the value-adders. You might have been watching how this caused the slow-motion Venezuela train wreck starting about twenty years ago.


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I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit

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Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

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21-08-2019 05:56
Deanster
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IBdaMann wrote:
keepit wrote: There are countless people who don't have enough money to live as well as they deserve based on their work productivity.
And also based on their unemployability due to automation and outsourcing.



In reality, society rewards those who add value. Those who work without adding value do not get rewarded. It is the society's/market's perception of that value that the price discovery mentioned by Into the Night occurs ... which ultimately determines the reward for s/he who is adding that value.
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Not that I disagree with you, but for discussions sake, value is a subjective term. As such, the puppet masters manipulate the gullible to determine what is valuable ... such as your example. Socialist manipulate public perspective to create value for a socialist system. It's not until the poor idiots find out that it is all a scheme to benefit the elite that they realize they were sold a bunch of crap.
21-08-2019 10:31
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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Taxes, are part of running a business. The 'wealthy', aren't simply individuals, even though we have quite a few. The wealthy being taxed, to pay for the socialist programs, are the companies and businesses. The cost of doing business, is usually factored into the price consumers pay, for the goods and services. When they talk about taxing the wealthy they are talking about taxing everyone, since we all will have to pay a share of the increased cost of doing business.

Reducing taxes, reduces the cost of doing business. It helps companies to reduce prices, pay employees more, expand their businesses. Reduced taxes, also gives the government less revenue to spend, which socialist don't like. They like spending other people's money, money they didn't have to work for. They don't seem to understand the value of work or money. Work is something, some people do, if they feel it. Money is free, somebody else will provide all you want and need. Sometimes, you just have to encourage people with money, to give it to you, to spend as you please.
18-02-2024 02:02
RenaissanceMan
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The s
thread title is Global Warming, not Trump.
Isn't there a rule about staying on topic?

If not, the owners need to make that rule.













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18-02-2024 04:54
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Deanster wrote: Not that I disagree with you,

Yes, you mistakenly disagree.

Deanster wrote: value is a subjective term.

Correct. Each person determines his/her own perceived value, and those are the parameters that enter into the price realization process.

Deanster wrote: As such, the puppet masters manipulate the gullible to determine what is valuable

That's why you should stay away from cryptocurrencies.

Deanster wrote: Socialist manipulate public perspective to create value for a socialist system. It's not until the poor idiots find out that it is all a scheme to benefit the elite that they realize they were sold a bunch of crap.

Fraud is illegal.
18-02-2024 17:50
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
The s
thread title is Global Warming, not Trump.
Isn't there a rule about staying on topic?

If not, the owners need to make that rule.













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There are rules, but no enforcement or moderation here. It's climate-debate, not climate-discussion. I don't care for the debate aspect, prefer not to play. But, you can't let intelligent discussion get in the way of the game aspect of this website.
19-02-2024 11:59
James_
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
There are hundreds of sources cited here providing scientific evidence bordering on proof of the Global Warming Fraud being perpetuated by professional liars, paid billions of dollars for their bogus *research*. Of course they lie for billions of dollars!

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com

People don't have ideas. Ideas have people. - Carl Jung



And these people can be just as bad; https://clintel.org/

No moderation means no discussion. It's like the Bible says;
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me

What does that mean? Was Jesus like Swan a child molester? Is that what that means? Swan told me he likes children attending his church, why he needs an invention.

A relationship between the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica and an increase in spring warming in southern Africa has been observed. An example of man made climate change. If a decrease in ozone is not allowing more solar radiation into the Earth's atmosphere then why does the air below it circulate
differently.
2 of the primary gasses involved with that example of man made warming are NOx and SOx. Can't have PSCs (Polar Stratospheric Clouds) without them.
Another example of man made climate change is Brazil and Panama (rainforest).
The winds that carries the rains have moved south. An effect of burning.
There is definitely man made climate change. What cannot be discussed is what is the difference between regional climate variance and man made warming/climate change.
22-02-2024 19:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
The s
thread title is Global Warming, not Trump.
Isn't there a rule about staying on topic?

If not, the owners need to make that rule.

No such rule. Threads here tend to wander from topic to topic. Get used to it.
That said, there ARE guidelines here (see the left margin area). Guideline 2 DOES encourage people to stay on topic, you will find the message boards in general tend to wander from topic to topic in the same thread, particularly on politically oriented blind forums such as this one.

If someone only serves to derail a thread and little else, they just tend to get ignored here.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

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22-02-2024 19:20
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James_ wrote:
RenaissanceMan wrote:
There are hundreds of sources cited here providing scientific evidence bordering on proof of the Global Warming Fraud being perpetuated by professional liars, paid billions of dollars for their bogus *research*. Of course they lie for billions of dollars!

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com

People don't have ideas. Ideas have people. - Carl Jung



And these people can be just as bad; https://clintel.org/

No moderation means no discussion.

No moderation does not prevent conversations. It is perfectly possible to have a discussion. People do it all the time...in bars, on the street, in offices, even from driver to driver in cars (via sign language
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James_ wrote:
A relationship between the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica and an increase in spring warming in southern Africa has been observed.

No such observation. It is not possible to measure the temperature of Africa. The so-called 'hole' appears in the winter of that pole each year, due to lack of sunlight during winter.
James_ wrote:
An example of man made climate change.

Climate cannot change. Climate has no temperature and is not ozone.
James_ wrote:
If a decrease in ozone

The ozone layer is not being depleted. Man could not destroy the ozone layer even if he wanted to.
James_ wrote:
is not allowing more solar radiation into the Earth's atmosphere

The ozone layer is caused by sunlight interacting with oxygen in the atmosphere. See the Chapman cycle (which you still ignore).
James_ wrote:
then why does the air below it circulate
differently.

Ozone does not cause circulation of air. Air is a fluid, and like any fluid, has convection and currents in it.
James_ wrote:
2 of the primary gasses involved with that example of man made warming are NOx and SOx.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are again ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
James_ wrote:
Can't have PSCs (Polar Stratospheric Clouds) without them.

Clouds can and do form in the stratosphere anywhere (including at the poles). They are made of water, not NOx or SOx compounds.
James_ wrote:
Another example of man made climate change is Brazil and Panama (rainforest).

A rainforest is not climate change. A nation is not climate change.
James_ wrote:
The winds that carries the rains have moved south.

It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.
James_ wrote:
An effect of burning.

No one is burning the rain forest.
James_ wrote:
There is definitely man made climate change.

Climate cannot change.
James_ wrote:
What cannot be discussed is what is the difference between regional climate variance and man made warming/climate change.

Climate cannot change. There is no such thing as a 'global climate' except as a religious artifact.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 22-02-2024 19:20
22-02-2024 23:13
James_
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Into the Night wrote:
James_ wrote:

Another example of man made climate change is Brazil and Panama (rainforest).

A rainforest is not climate change. A nation is not climate change.
James_ wrote:
The winds that carries the rains have moved south.

It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.



Is that Malware the Parrot? Of course you are right, again!

A rainforest is not climate change.


That is so deep and profound, "A rainforest is not climate change."
And it is not. The lack of a rainforest is climate change because in this instance both the flora and fauna are changing.

Then there's "It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.". Yep 2 rights make 2 rights. It does rain everywhere. And deforestation has removed the forest. And because of our discussion in another thread we know this has just changed the amount of water in Brazil. It wasn't the forest moving it but its having been removed.
24-02-2024 07:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James_ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James_ wrote:

Another example of man made climate change is Brazil and Panama (rainforest).

A rainforest is not climate change. A nation is not climate change.
James_ wrote:
The winds that carries the rains have moved south.

It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.



Is that Malware the Parrot? Of course you are right, again!

A rainforest is not climate change.


That is so deep and profound, "A rainforest is not climate change."
And it is not. The lack of a rainforest is climate change because in this instance both the flora and fauna are changing.

Then there's "It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.". Yep 2 rights make 2 rights. It does rain everywhere. And deforestation has removed the forest. And because of our discussion in another thread we know this has just changed the amount of water in Brazil. It wasn't the forest moving it but its having been removed.

Lack of a forest is not climate change. It's simply lack of a forest. Climate cannot change. It has no values that can change. Climate has no water level, precipitation, wind speed or direction, temperature, or barometric pressure.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
25-02-2024 21:47
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote:
A rainforest is not climate change. A nation is not climate change.

The winds that carries the rains have moved south.

It rains everywhere on Earth, especially in rain forests. The forests have not moved.

A rainforest is not climate change.

Lack of a forest is not climate change. It's simply lack of a forest. Climate cannot change. It has no values that can change. Climate has no water level, precipitation, wind speed or direction, temperature, or barometric pressure.[/quote]
I would have thought that all of this would have sunk in by now.
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