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The Global Warming Fraud09-08-2019 19:40
RenaissanceMan
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There are hundreds of sources cited here providing scientific evidence bordering on proof of the Global Warming Fraud being perpetuated by professional liars, paid billions of dollars for their bogus *research*. Of course they lie for billions of dollars!

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com

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10-08-2019 01:23
olyz
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You don't understand. Global warming is important.

You tell the rest of the world, if they don't stop using carbon (industrializing) you will bomb them off the face of the earth.
How do you justify this? If they don't stop using carbon they will destroy the planet and kill billions of people. That was the genius of Gore.

Having experienced it first hand, to the Germans this is no idle threat and they are furiously going green.

Of course someone has to remain industrialized to have the power to run the show.
10-08-2019 01:34
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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RenaissanceMan wrote: liars, paid billions


It's a very popular cause so you don't even need to pay someone to jump on the band wagon.

Consistently, on this board as well, people tend to believe the option they find the most comfortable. They would be upset to find out they were wrong, not relieved, in most cases.

It needs a disciplined response though. I think when you call something a conspiracy it sounds very X-files and you can discredit the real proof something is unfounded.
10-08-2019 01:51
olyz
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The truth is only effective if it's publicized.
10-08-2019 01:53
RenaissanceMan
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tmiddles wrote:
RenaissanceMan wrote: liars, paid billions


It's a very popular cause so you don't even need to pay someone to jump on the band wagon.

Consistently, on this board as well, people tend to believe the option they find the most comfortable. They would be upset to find out they were wrong, not relieved, in most cases.


*Scientists* reap billions of research dollars to give AlGorian results, which they do gladly. Oppose them and they blackball all dissenters. No tenure, no promotions.

Leftists are gullible and want to belong to their groups. They are comfortable feeling more sanctimonious than anyone else.
10-08-2019 01:56
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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olyz wrote:
You don't understand. Global warming is important.

You tell the rest of the world, if they don't stop using carbon (industrializing) you will bomb them off the face of the earth.
How do you justify this? If they don't stop using carbon they will destroy the planet and kill billions of people. That was the genius of Gore.

Having experienced it first hand, to the Germans this is no idle threat and they are furiously going green.

Of course someone has to remain industrialized to have the power to run the show.


I have a long-standing position that the United States should encourage the rest of the planet to impose economy-crippling measures and suffocating taxes to fix Global Warming while we, the United States, remain healthy and economically sound ... as an experiment ... and see how it all works out for the rest of the world and how it works for us. I think this would be a very worthy endeavor, and very educational.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-08-2019 02:06
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IBdaMann wrote:while we, the United States, remain healthy and economically sound .


I think it's a threat to national security to unnecessarily antagonize and anger the rest of the world. We need better diplomats that's for sure and a less offensive president.
10-08-2019 02:13
RenaissanceMan
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tmiddles wrote:
I think it's a threat to national security to unnecessarily antagonize and anger the rest of the world. We need better diplomats that's for sure and a less offensive president.


The rest of the world is always antagonized at America. At the "United Nations" (sick), the rest of the world votes against us all the time. Piss on them. Get us out of the United Nations. It's worthless.

We need less offensive, less mendacious, less hateful, less race-baiting, less class warfare Leftists. Antifa is their newest incarnation. The Dayton Ohio shooter was an Antifa Leftist. So was the Unabomber a vile Environmental wacko.
10-08-2019 02:30
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I think it's a threat to national security to unnecessarily antagonize and anger the rest of the world. We need better diplomats that's for sure and a less offensive president.


The rest of the world is always antagonized at America. At the "United Nations" (sick), the rest of the world votes against us all the time. Piss on them. Get us out of the United Nations. It's worthless.

We need less offensive, less mendacious, less hateful, less race-baiting, less class warfare Leftists. Antifa is their newest incarnation. The Dayton Ohio shooter was an Antifa Leftist. So was the Unabomber a vile Environmental wacko.


So what would we do to peacefully resolve international issues? The idea goes back to WWI and the league of nations right?.

I think good will between countries is really important.

But it sounds like you want war? with the left?

There are nut jobs on every side. Oklahoma city is still the 2nd worst terrorist attack in US history.
10-08-2019 05:13
HarveyH55
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Every country wants the best for themselves. Most want to do business with other countries, either buy or sell products, resources. None of them want to get taken advantage of, ripped, but they all hope to get the best of any deal. Unfortunately, the United States got into a lot of bad deals in the past, and instead of renegotiating these deals often, they just left them in place. Everything changes, prices change, value changes, people running the governments change, but we stick to these old, bad policies and deals. Trump, as a business man, sees how the other countries are taking advantage of these bad deals, and robbing us blind. He's just giving them notice, that things are going to change, and we aren't going to give our stuff away cheap anymore, and we expect to get good value for the money we spend.

I often wonder how many countries are actually are friends and allies because they really like us, or because we've been buying it, with bad deals? How many friends would have, if we stopped giving away free stuff?
10-08-2019 05:29
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:the United States got into a lot of bad deals in the past,


What was the motive/reason? Do you think it was incompetence? That the leadership just didn't care about money or power?

Of course there are a lot of countries we've taken very profitable advantage of wouldn't you agree? The US has been in a position to dictate terms often.
10-08-2019 05:40
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tmiddles wrote:
RenaissanceMan wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I think it's a threat to national security to unnecessarily antagonize and anger the rest of the world. We need better diplomats that's for sure and a less offensive president.


The rest of the world is always antagonized at America. At the "United Nations" (sick), the rest of the world votes against us all the time. Piss on them. Get us out of the United Nations. It's worthless.

We need less offensive, less mendacious, less hateful, less race-baiting, less class warfare Leftists. Antifa is their newest incarnation. The Dayton Ohio shooter was an Antifa Leftist. So was the Unabomber a vile Environmental wacko.


So what would we do to peacefully resolve international issues? The idea goes back to WWI and the league of nations right?.

I think good will between countries is really important.

But it sounds like you want war? with the left?

There are nut jobs on every side. Oklahoma city is still the 2nd worst terrorist attack in US history.

The United Nations has caused more wars than anything else.
The left wants to start the war. No no one wants to start a civil war in this country except the left. If they start one though, the conservatives WILL finish it.

You want to stop war? I have the solution. It works every time.

Profit. That's what brings peace. You don't go attacking your customers or your business partner. Not if you want to stay in business.

Japan was warlike for much of its history. Today, it has found commerce is better than war. One of the best examples there is.

China is limiting commerce. It is moving towards war. Internal strife is rapidly building in the that country. It could very well go back to his usual history of violent revolution after violent revolution. It might be sooner than anyone here in the United States realizes.

Capitalism is the key. It is the only system that creates wealth. Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth. That causes war and conflict.


The Parrot Killer
10-08-2019 05:50
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Profit. That's what brings peace.


I agree completely with this! If another country is essential to your success you're a lot less likely to bomb it.

What is it about a UN that causes wars? Could there be a better way for nations to get together and discuss things?
10-08-2019 07:11
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Every country wants the best for themselves. Most want to do business with other countries, either buy or sell products, resources. None of them want to get taken advantage of, ripped, but they all hope to get the best of any deal. Unfortunately, the United States got into a lot of bad deals in the past, and instead of renegotiating these deals often, they just left them in place. Everything changes, prices change, value changes, people running the governments change, but we stick to these old, bad policies and deals. Trump, as a business man, sees how the other countries are taking advantage of these bad deals, and robbing us blind. He's just giving them notice, that things are going to change, and we aren't going to give our stuff away cheap anymore, and we expect to get good value for the money we spend.

I often wonder how many countries are actually are friends and allies because they really like us, or because we've been buying it, with bad deals? How many friends would have, if we stopped giving away free stuff?


Several of them would collapse. End of problem.


The Parrot Killer
10-08-2019 07:12
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:the United States got into a lot of bad deals in the past,


What was the motive/reason? Do you think it was incompetence? That the leadership just didn't care about money or power?

Of course there are a lot of countries we've taken very profitable advantage of wouldn't you agree? The US has been in a position to dictate terms often.


The motive is clear: to tear down the United States.

These bad deals were made by those that want to tear down the United States.


The Parrot Killer
10-08-2019 07:13
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Profit. That's what brings peace.


I agree completely with this! If another country is essential to your success you're a lot less likely to bomb it.

What is it about a UN that causes wars? Could there be a better way for nations to get together and discuss things?


Yes. Money, and making it by honest trade, not by stealing from somebody.


The Parrot Killer
10-08-2019 09:30
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Yes. Money, and making it by honest trade, not by stealing from somebody.


Sounds like don't believe organized authority is beneficial in which case there should be no governments to meet.
10-08-2019 09:32
HarveyH55
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:the United States got into a lot of bad deals in the past,


What was the motive/reason? Do you think it was incompetence? That the leadership just didn't care about money or power?

Of course there are a lot of countries we've taken very profitable advantage of wouldn't you agree? The US has been in a position to dictate terms often.


Yeah, we took advantage of a lot of people, or so we thought at the time. Years later, only to find out we didn't totally screw them over at all. Here at home, we herded the Native Americans on to reservations, which was then consider land of little value. Years later, and even now, that land has kept gaining value, and not as easy to steal back. The Native Americans learn the value, and started cashing in on it.

There were a lot of things, like agriculture products, that were producing a huge surplus, we made deals based on them staying at low value, to us anyway. Farmers want to improve profits, shifted to other crops, so the government had to subsidize some, to keep the deal going. Remember, you have to give something, to get something. We still want or part, the other countries still want the cheap food promised. Those countries buying the cheap food, found they could sell off some, easy, for good profits. Our lawmakers, didn't care, tax money, is free money, and they get to keep their military base on foreign soil. There was a time, when we needed these bases, close to areas we were busy in, but that's change a lot of the years. Some of those bases are more like vacations to the personnel. The keep it up and running, and ready, but nothing ever happens anymore.
10-08-2019 14:32
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tmiddles wrote:I think it's a threat to national security to unnecessarily antagonize and anger the rest of the world. We need better diplomats that's for sure and a less offensive president.

You must not enjoy sports. You would get upset if your team didn't just roll over and let the other team win.

It is very un-American to want every other country to take advantage of the United States and to bleed the United States dry just so you can then blame the President for every other country taking advantage of the United States and for bleeding the United States dry.

Of course it is very un-American just to want every other country to take advantage of the United States and to bleed the United States dry.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-08-2019 20:21
HarveyH55
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Lets put it another way... Our government gives away a lot of money domestically. There is welfare, food stamps, health care, subsidies, grants, loans that don't actually get paid back, unless you feel like it. They pay for research, that really doesn't matter all that much. We bailout failing companies, over, and over, even though there are many similar companies doing just fine. We do the same thing with other countries. It's one thing to help out other people, and completely a rip off to carry them for decades. I don't really blame the people for grabbing all the freebies available, it's natural and normal to get as much as you can, with minimal effort. I do blame the government for allowing it to keep going on endlessly, and thinking up new ways to give away money, we don't have. Over $20 trillion in debt, and climate change is a huge problem? We pay the people on Capital Hill a very rich salary, to do what's best for the country. Giving away free, is a good thing at all, certainly not earning their wages. Starting pay is $175,000 for a congressman, should be a third, or less. They didn't run for office to get rich, they ran, because they expectantly cared about the country.

Global Warming isn't an immediate threat, never even proven the threat existed in the first place. It's presented as a science fiction novel, even made for an award winning movie, which lead to Al Gore winning a Nobel Prize as well. Really surprised they haven't come out with a video game for Xbox, a multi player app for cell phones. Video games are great marketing tools, often gain a cult following as well.
11-08-2019 01:00
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:There is welfare, food stamps


Don't forget fraud/welfare for the rich:
US Sugar Cartel

The Fanjul brothers have had every president in their pocket since Clinton. Trump too.

The fictitious premise is:
The US is letting us get screwed over with hand outs. Reason? ____ none

There is a reason money is given out or deals are made. If you think it's the poor people's lobbying team I'll help you out, they don't have one.
Edited on 11-08-2019 01:00
11-08-2019 01:04
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:You would get upset if your team didn't just roll over and let the other team win.


Actually the Olympics, world cup and international sports are really great along these lines.

The options are not our interests and we enrage those who are not us, or we roll over and give up.

If I was on the board of a company and our CEO was making enemies throughout the business community I would replace them.

Burning bridges is a real problem.

The US has always looked out for itself and until now actually cared about our international branding, image and reputation.

Could you imaging if a well run organization suddenly did that? That stock would tank!

If you think that for some reason the US in the past "layed down" for some other group you have to supply a motive. There is simply no reason to do that.
Edited on 11-08-2019 01:05
11-08-2019 03:51
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:If I was on the board of a company and our CEO was making enemies throughout the business community I would replace them.

What if your CEO was pissing people off throughout the community by putting scores of competitors out of business and raking in $millions?

Assume that the United States is in competetition with all the other countries and that I want to win. Further assume that I don't give a shit about any foreigners being disappointed at America competing better and being successful in international markets.

Assume that I want a President that is not going to sell out We the People just to make foreigners happy.

Why should I appreciate your desire to make foreigners happy at our expense?

tmiddles wrote: The US has always looked out for itself

Nope. The Obama Administration let many thousands of coal jobs vanish, and allowed Americans to be screwed just to score himself invitations to parties with EU leaders. Bill Clinton let Saddam Hussein shoot down American aircraft rather than step on UN Inspectors toes. It seems that Democrats would sell the US to highest bidder if they could, and every day it looks like Democrats want the Constitution to be packaged as toilet paper.



tmiddles wrote: Could you imaging if a well run organization suddenly did that? That stock would tank!

Any business that lets the competition win in order to avoid "making enemies" won't last long. I want the US to last forever.

I don't care how many foreigners become sad. I want the President to put America first.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-08-2019 03:55
HarveyH55
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:There is welfare, food stamps


Don't forget fraud/welfare for the rich:
US Sugar Cartel

The Fanjul brothers have had every president in their pocket since Clinton. Trump too.

The fictitious premise is:
The US is letting us get screwed over with hand outs. Reason? ____ none

There is a reason money is given out or deals are made. If you think it's the poor people's lobbying team I'll help you out, they don't have one.


They don't need a lobbying team, just a hand out. They give money away, to buy votes, buy favors. If we put sanctions on other countries, it means nothing if nobody else goes along with them. If we stop doing business with one country, it opens up a profitable situation for other countries. There are quite a few, that still don't respect the sanctions, Iran still sells oil... Sanctions actual hurt a lot of other countries, besides the one being punished. Nobody likes paying top dollar, if they can get the same product much cheaper at another store. Can't make a lot of money, if nobody is buying your product at a decent price. It's not our military that makes everyone our friends.

Basically, the democrats figure if poor people commit crimes, instead of working honest jobs. If they had out enough money, there would be fewer crimes. Pretty sure that didn't work out, guess they aren't passing out enough cash, yet... Free stuff buys them a lot of votes, and sort of makes the higher taxes part less obvious.
11-08-2019 04:25
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
United States is in competetition with all the other countries a... The Obama Administration let many thousands of coal jobs vanish, and allowed Americans to be screwed just to score himself invitations to parties with EU leaders.

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So your theory on the crimes motive is a party invitation? From the party lobby? Party City maybe? Or Obama was hungry and lonely with nowhere to go?

Identify a reasonable motive.

If everyone is our opponent who are our friends? We should have a few don't you think?

Trump squandered 70 years of US credibility and honor by making us erratic liars who now pose a threat to western Europe.

So you must really be upset with what Reagan/Bush did to Coal Mining jobs:


Was that to go to parties too?

And "many thousands" of coal jobs lost under Obama? 4000? 8000 ?

Do you know that it's entirely due to technology?


Edited on 11-08-2019 04:35
11-08-2019 04:52
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Free stuff buys them a lot of votes, and sort of makes the higher taxes part less obvious.


Ok buying votes is a reasonable motive.

Rush claims welfare recipients vote twice as actively but he's not right as usual:
those making more than $200,000 a year made up just 3.8 percent of the population but fully 6 percent of voters:


Edited on 11-08-2019 04:57
11-08-2019 05:00
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: So your theory on the crimes motive is a party invitation? From the party lobby? Party City maybe? Or Obama was hungry and lonely with nowhere to go?

I'm getting your sarcasm ... I'm just not getting what you are asking. Would you mind just rewording your question?

tmiddles wrote: If everyone is our opponent who are our friends?

Right now, the British government is our #1 ally. They are also competitors but we are teaming with them, i.e. our governments have formalized certain institutions of trust. Canada is in there too, as are some others.

tmiddles wrote: Trump squandered 70 years of US credibility and honor by making us erratic liars who now pose a threat to western Europe.

Incorrect. You should get into sports more. Athletes and diplomats respect those who compete well, and they do not respect pushovers. With Trump as President, the US is gaining back all the respect we lost while Barrack was giving away the farm.

tmiddles wrote: So you must really be upset with what Reagan/Bush did to Coal Mining jobs:

I'm not pleased with what happened, but only under Obama did the EPA actively ramp up the fukking with the coal industry ... just to score points with the EU.

Trump, on the other hand, is pulling a George Bush and actively helping the coal industry and increasing the number of coal jobs. If what you are trying to say is that Trump is the best President in the last 40 years, then OK.

tmiddles wrote:And "many thousands" of coal jobs lost under Obama? 4000? 8000 ?

7,300 coal jobs lost.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-08-2019 05:17
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
I'm just not getting what you are asking. Would you mind just rewording your question?......
Right now, the British government is our #1 ally. ....
7,300 coal jobs lost.
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Well 7300 over 8 years is what it is. You know that's over 2 per day.

To reword my question what motives do you think the US government had under previous administrations that resulted in us making bad deals? I assure you it was not to get to go to a party

Since the US and the UK are important allies it certainly sucks that
"The YouGov survey data reveals only 21 percent of U.K. residents had a positive opinion of Trump, compared to Obama, who had a staggering 72 percent favorable rating."source

That's fully 1/2 the population of our #1 ally going from thumbs up to thumbs down.

That's a serious loss to national security not to mention all the other benefits of not being an international pariah.
Edited on 11-08-2019 05:21
11-08-2019 05:36
GasGuzzler
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tmiddles wrote:Since the US and the UK are important allies it certainly sucks that
"The YouGov survey data reveals only 21 percent of U.K. residents had a positive opinion of Trump, compared to Obama, who had a staggering 72 percent favorable rating."

Why should I give a squirt of piss what the average UK socialist thinks of my president?

Name one policy change that you think would help his polls numbers in the UK.

tmiddles wrote:That's a serious loss to national security

Then I assume you fully support the southern border wall.

I also assume you support Hilary in an orange jumpsuit.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
Edited on 11-08-2019 05:39
11-08-2019 06:24
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Why should I give a squirt of piss what the average UK socialist thinks of my president?


WWIII ?

You do recognize having millions or billions of people dislike your country is a bit of a liability don't you?

If someone sucks at something. Like say a president sucks at diplomacy and international relationships. Fire them! Get a new one.

Ask yourself this: What has our country done to the UK in the last 2 years that would cause 1/2 the population to flip in their approval?

Trump's just a jerk! We have to pay a huge price for him just being a A-hole

There is a terrorist attack in London and Trump is harassing the mayor of London on Twitter. "LONDON needs a new mayor ASAP. Khan is a disaster - will only get worse!" This while Londoners are morning the dead.

We have a wall at the southern border. What Trump wants is a monument not just a wall a symbol.

Do you want a northern border wall?

Edited on 11-08-2019 06:29
11-08-2019 06:35
HarveyH55
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
I'm just not getting what you are asking. Would you mind just rewording your question?......
Right now, the British government is our #1 ally. ....
7,300 coal jobs lost.
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Well 7300 over 8 years is what it is. You know that's over 2 per day.

To reword my question what motives do you think the US government had under previous administrations that resulted in us making bad deals? I assure you it was not to get to go to a party

Since the US and the UK are important allies it certainly sucks that
"The YouGov survey data reveals only 21 percent of U.K. residents had a positive opinion of Trump, compared to Obama, who had a staggering 72 percent favorable rating."source

That's fully 1/2 the population of our #1 ally going from thumbs up to thumbs down.

That's a serious loss to national security not to mention all the other benefits of not being an international pariah.


There are other factors the effect jobs, besides the government screwing around. We aren't the only coal producing country, sometimes they play with production, to get a better price. Sometimes we get under sold, no point digging what you aren't selling. Lot of places were moving away from coal anyway, and not for climate change. You still have coal ash to dispose of, and it's getting more difficult. For some strange reason, our local landfill made a deal to take coal ash from Puerto Rico, seemed kind of cheap too. The county commissioners kid of sneaked it past the residents as well. We were recently assured they'd stop in December, and end the contract. Little skeptical.

The UK government, isn't like ours, they lean pretty far left. That's why they love democrat presidents, it's closer to their own way of doing things. You'll note, there aren't any democrats loving Trump, very few, if any, agree with his policies. The fact that some people in the UK like Trump, is actually a good think, since all of our socialist hate so much. I'm sure that during his next term, he'll win over a bunch more. His first trip over there didn't go so well, protests blocked the streets, almost erupted into rioting. His last visit was peaceful, went really well. There were a few protesters, but it was kind of pathetic, didn't seem like they were really into it this time.

I don't really like polls, surveys, or ratings, to easy to introduce bias. It's not so much that Trump is screwing things up, but doing what should have be going on for the past several decades. It's been pretty much more of the same promises, and getting very little actually done, a whole lot of money spent, very little to show for it. Obama doubled the national debt, spent well over $10 trillion, in eight years. Double the debt, racked up by all the previous presidents combined. Trump should look into where all that money went. Got a hunch there would be a lot of vacant seats in congress, quick too.
11-08-2019 06:48
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:they love democrat presidents,.....Obama doubled the national debt,


OK so fair enough that's true it's primarily a Democrat/Republican thing for the UK in the overall numbers I was mistaken to cite that:


But what's important to consider isn't who said approve/dissaprove it's how strongly they feel.

I think what got Trump elected truly was how strongly his supporters are behind him. Unfortunately you have a great deal of passion I can speak to personally who truly hate the man. I've never hated anyone more in my life and I know a lot people who feel the same way. I kinda love George W now because I wish I could trade Trump for him, and I was not a fan at the time.

So you're going to blame Obama for the Debt? Do you blame Reagan? How about Trump now? Just not a fair charge to hand to any president. Maybe Clinton can get a gold star for being president when the least damage was done but that's about it.
Edited on 11-08-2019 06:49
11-08-2019 07:21
GasGuzzler
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GasGuzzler wrote:
Why should I give a squirt of piss what the average UK socialist thinks of my president?


tmiddles wrote: WWIII ?

You do recognize having millions or billions of people dislike your country is a bit of a liability don't you?

I think the the UK socialists will quickly get over it when the US military stepd up to save their sissy asses.

tmiddles wrote:If someone sucks at something. Like say a president sucks at diplomacy and international relationships. Fire them! Get a new one.

He doesn't speak like a politician. He tells it like it is and doesn't hide behind any flowery eloquent speech writers crap. I find it refreshing and you better get used to it.

tmiddles wrote:Ask yourself this: What has our country done to the UK in the last 2 years that would cause 1/2 the population to flip in their approval?

Nothing.

tmiddles wrote:Trump's just a jerk! We have to pay a huge price for him just being a A-hole

Be specific. What price have you personally paid?

tmiddles wrote:There is a terrorist attack in London and Trump is harassing the mayor of London on Twitter. "LONDON needs a new mayor ASAP. Khan is a disaster - will only get worse!" This while Londoners are morning the dead.

ENGLAND is a soft target.
tmiddles wrote:We have a wall at the southern border.

We have sections. Not near enough. Have an honest conversation please.

tmiddles wrote:What Trump wants is a monument not just a wall a symbol.

Your opinion. To my knowledge he has not requested a monument.

tmiddles wrote:Do you want a northern border wall?

Sure. Someday we'll probably need it. Right now the southern border is where the trouble is crossing over and in, but you already knew that. You didn't need me to tell you.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
Edited on 11-08-2019 07:24
11-08-2019 07:43
GasGuzzler
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:they love democrat presidents,.....Obama doubled the national debt,
OK so fair enough that's true it's primarily a Democrat/Republican thing for the UK in the overall numbers I was mistaken to cite that:



tmiddles wrote:But what's important to consider isn't who said approve/dissaprove it's how strongly they feel.

Kind of like "it not whether he's guilty or not...it's the seriousness of the charge". Fullashit again.

[quote]tmiddles wrote:I think what got Trump elected truly was how strongly his supporters are behind him.
True. We appreciate his dedication to not caving in and actually working to fulfill campaign promises. We're not used to that.

tmiddles wrote:Unfortunately you have a great deal of passion I can speak to personally who truly hate the man. I've never hated anyone more in my life and I know a lot people who feel the same way. I kinda love George W now because I wish I could trade Trump for him, and I was not a fan at the time.
You liked Bush because he was a rollover RINO.

tmiddles wrote:So you're going to blame Obama for the Debt? Do you blame Reagan? How about Trump now? Just not a fair charge to hand to any president.

Come on! Obama was spender in chief. Best ever. Spent more than all his predecessors COMBINED!

tmiddles wrote:Maybe Clinton can get a gold star for being president when the least damage was done but that's about it.

Not so fast there turbo. Don't forget Clinton sold military technology to China. We may not have seen his worst damage yet.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
Edited on 11-08-2019 08:08
11-08-2019 10:08
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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GasGuzzler wrote:He tells it like it is and doesn't hide behind any flowery eloquent speech writers crap.


I would agree he's authentic and genuine in his communication and even I find that refreshing and kind of fun. Unfortunately he's a moron, pig, psychopath and a liar. He is however a warrior for his side. Really we are living a civil war on the hate-Trump side of town. Every day is a nightmare to some degree living with him as president.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Be specific. What price have you personally paid?


From another thread, same question:
So aside from the $1600 I just paid in Trump tarriffs on my import in June:
tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
What has Trump ever done to you? ... America being great again?... the lowest unemployment rate in history across the board?...you absolutely refuse to support America


Well let me start with the one positive thing Trump has done. He's proven our democracy is actually authentic. It really works. Neither party wanted him and yet he was elected due to very enthusiastic support. I think it's fair to say that he's the first 3rd part president the country has had.

It is un-American to say since I'm an opponent of a politician I'm therefor against the country, you find that in every totalitarian state.

Giving any president of two years credit for the current economy is BS.

So why hate the man? Well I never really liked him pre-politics because he's always been a vulgar blow hard. But I only found him distasteful in the past.

What I hate most is that he's both a liar and he works hard to discredit the truth. His "work" is to undermine honesty beyond his own office. There are so many lies it's impressive: washington post article

But let's do one on point to work in both posts: David Duke.
Most of us have known for decades who David Duke is, the most famous racist in America because he got so dangerously close to high office. When David Duke endorsed Trump he was later asked about it in an interview, he'd already briefly disavowed him days earlier, and I think everyone expected him to just blast the guy for being a horrible human being (Trump blasts people all day long anyway). But in what I view as a wink and a nod to white power groups he claimed he didn't know who he was. link

Where he poses the biggest threat: He's willing to destroy our democracy if it'll help him. By democracy I mean the actual nuts and bolts of how we run our government and vote for representatives. His repeated claims that elections are determined by illegal voting, with no evidence, are extremely dangerous. He dismissed, and his supporters with him, the entire intelligence apparatus of our government in refusing to acknowledge Russia's Fing with us because he thought it cast a shadow on his win. I don't doubt for a second he would destroy our democracy if it worked for him. (I don't think he was joking prior to the vote that he wouldn't accept the results if he lost)
And I also think our national security is impacted by both the division he nurtures within the country and the whole world turning on us:

Master of the deal?? Really?? well done Moron

Almost as big and issue: He is a leader of hate. I still cannot believe the banning Muslims from the country was a real political ad. Still numb from that one. Mexicans are rapists and immigrants are the problem. And in general his style is to unleash rage and total degradation on those who oppose him. He is a teacher sadly and this is what millions are learning from him.

Unbelievably low on the list, only because he's got SO much bad stuff, is that he is a truly stupid man. Sure he may have a flair in a few areas. He out does Paris Hilton at getting press and he's very good at manipulating his opponents politically. But he's just, as I believe Rex Tillerson put it, a F#$king Moron.

He thinks NATO collects dues, that clean coal get's washed off lump by lump, that people should be armed at bars (even the wild west wouldn't do that), but I know your'e going to say the F word part of Tillerson's quote was unconfirmed. This is a direct quote:
"It was challenging for me," he said, "coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented Exxon Mobil corporation, to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, 'This is what I believe.' "

We were talking about Civil War. If you want to blame the left for hating Trump causing the division go ahead. He's the leader and I see a country in the worst shape it's been in since long before Nixon.

And he has no class. I really like having a classy leader. From the eloquence to the civilized behavior I miss that. From Reagan to Obama we've had some of the best. Trump is such an incredible embarrassment to the country.




GasGuzzler wrote:
tmiddles wrote: Trump is harassing the mayor of London

ENGLAND is a soft target.


So you're fine with our president belittling and attacking London as they nurse their wounds from a terrorist attack?

GasGuzzler wrote:
You liked Bush because he was a rollover RINO.


I didn't like Bush at all. I just didn't realize how horrible a president could be till Trump. Bush looks like a classy statesman now by comparison.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on! Obama was spender in chief. Best ever. Spent more than all his predecessors COMBINED!


And how's Trump doing? Your characterization is way off look here:




TRUMP+ Republican Congress + Republican Senate = Massive Increase in the National Debt

Excuses anyone?

Also remember that Congress makes the budget and it was a republican controlled congress for most of that.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Not so fast there turbo. Don't forget Clinton sold military technology to China. We may not have seen his worst damage yet.


I'm not familiar with that to be honest. But as you can see he with the Republican congress, really did balance the budget.
Edited on 11-08-2019 10:11
11-08-2019 17:50
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:He tells it like it is and doesn't hide behind any flowery eloquent speech writers crap.


I would agree he's authentic and genuine in his communication and even I find that refreshing and kind of fun. Unfortunately he's a moron, pig, psychopath and a liar. He is however a warrior for his side. Really we are living a civil war on the hate-Trump side of town. Every day is a nightmare to some degree living with him as president.

If you start a civil war, you WILL regret it. It is YOU and the other liberals that want to start such a war.

tmiddles wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Be specific. What price have you personally paid?


From another thread, same question:
So aside from the $1600 I just paid in Trump tarriffs on my import in June:

You import that much from China? Why? You DO realize that China does steal our technology, and imposes extremely stiff tariffs, don't you?

tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
What has Trump ever done to you? ... America being great again?... the lowest unemployment rate in history across the board?...you absolutely refuse to support America


Well let me start with the one positive thing Trump has done. He's proven our democracy is actually authentic. It really works. Neither party wanted him and yet he was elected due to very enthusiastic support. I think it's fair to say that he's the first 3rd part president the country has had.

The United States is not a democracy. It never was. It is organized as a federated republic. It may comes as news to you, but we have constitutions int this country. Discounting the Republican party as voting for someone else is just a lie.
tmiddles wrote:
It is un-American to say since I'm an opponent of a politician I'm therefor against the country, you find that in every totalitarian state.

No, you are opposed to the Constitution of the United States. That is un-American. You WANT a totalitarian state. It is what your party wants.

tmiddles wrote:
Giving any president of two years credit for the current economy is BS.

How about four years? Yes, a President can affect an economy even by his inauguration day.

tmiddles wrote:
So why hate the man? Well I never really liked him pre-politics because he's always been a vulgar blow hard. But I only found him distasteful in the past.

What I hate most is that he's both a liar and he works hard to discredit the truth.

Lie. Hateful statements. You say you despise that hate. Yet your whole post is full of hate. You are being a hypocrite.

tmiddles wrote:
His "work" is to undermine honesty beyond his own office. There are so many lies it's impressive: ...deleted fake news article...

He has set goals. Many of them have been accomplished. Others he has been unable to since Congress won't get off their butt and do their job.

tmiddles wrote:
But let's do one on point to work in both posts: David Duke.
...deleted Holy Link and Quote...

Irrelevant.
tmiddles wrote:
Where he poses the biggest threat: He's willing to destroy our democracy if it'll help him.

The United States is not a democracy. It is a federated republic.
tmiddles wrote:
By democracy I mean the actual nuts and bolts of how we run our government and vote for representatives.

The people do not vote for President. The electoral college does. See the Constitution of the United States. We are not a democracy.
tmiddles wrote:
His repeated claims that elections are determined by illegal voting, with no evidence, are extremely dangerous.

These are YOUR claims. These are the claims of the democrats and liberals YOU vote for.
tmiddles wrote:
He dismissed, and his supporters with him, the entire intelligence apparatus of our government in refusing to acknowledge Russia's Fing with us because he thought it cast a shadow on his win.

Like I said. .these are YOUR claims. Not Trump's.
tmiddles wrote:
I don't doubt for a second he would destroy our democracy if it worked for him. (I don't think he was joking prior to the vote that he wouldn't accept the results if he lost)

We are not a democracy. We are a federated republic.

tmiddles wrote:
And I also think our national security is impacted by both the division he nurtures within the country and the whole world turning on us:
...deleted image...

The division is coming from the Democrats and other liberals, and from YOU.
tmiddles wrote:
Master of the deal?? Really?? well done Moron

He has already shown it time and time again. You are lying again. Such is your hate.
tmiddles wrote:
Almost as big and issue: He is a leader of hate.

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU and the Democrats that hate. Your post right here is filled with hate.
tmiddles wrote:
I still cannot believe the banning Muslims from the country was a real political ad. Still numb from that one.

He never banned Muslims or the Islamic religion. He never even attempted it. You are being a bigot now, and trying to change history.

tmiddles wrote:
Mexicans are rapists and immigrants are the problem.

Bigotry. Racism. Trump never made any such claim. YOU did.

tmiddles wrote:
And in general his style is to unleash rage and total degradation on those who oppose him.

It is YOU that is in a rage. It is YOU that is trying to degrade him any way you can.
tmiddles wrote:
He is a teacher sadly and this is what millions are learning from him.

It is YOU preaching what the Democrats have told you to preach.
tmiddles wrote:
Unbelievably low on the list, only because he's got SO much bad stuff, is that he is a truly stupid man.

Lie, and you will find out again in 2020.
tmiddles wrote:
Sure he may have a flair in a few areas. He out does Paris Hilton at getting press and he's very good at manipulating his opponents politically. But he's just, as I believe Rex Tillerson put it, a F#$king Moron.

He built a successful real estate career. He won the election, using the procedure laid out in our Constitution. That's a moron? Again, you preach hate.
tmiddles wrote:
He thinks NATO collects dues,

They OWE dues. They haven't been paying them. Go read the NATO treaty.

tmiddles wrote:
that clean coal get's washed off lump by lump,

It is. Read about how coal is processed today before use.

tmiddles wrote:
that people should be armed at bars

That's up to he bar owner, not you.

tmiddles wrote:
(even the wild west wouldn't do that),

Lie. They did allow guns in bars quite commonly. In many places in the west, they still do.
tmiddles wrote:
but I know your'e going to say the F word part of Tillerson's quote was unconfirmed. This is a direct quote:

...deleted Holy Quote...

Irrelevant.
tmiddles wrote:
We were talking about Civil War. If you want to blame the left for hating Trump causing the division go ahead.

It's the truth. The Democrats are preaching hate. So are YOU. You can't even hear yourself, you are so filled with hate.
tmiddles wrote:
He's the leader and I see a country in the worst shape it's been in since long before Nixon.

So the lowest unemployment rate for decades is 'bad shape', eh?
tmiddles wrote:
And he has no class.

Oddly enough, a President doesn't need it.
tmiddles wrote:
I really like having a classy leader.

Just code speech for a liberal leader. No thanks. I wish to preserve the Constitution of the United States.
tmiddles wrote:
From the eloquence to the civilized behavior I miss that. From Reagan to Obama we've had some of the best. Trump is such an incredible embarrassment to the country.

Obama is certainly not the best. He attempted to nationalize the health care insurance industry. That's falling apart even now from its own weight. He DID nationalize General Motors for awhile. They STILL haven't recovered from that.

Obama spent much of his presidency installing mob leaders wherever he could.


GasGuzzler wrote:
tmiddles wrote: Trump is harassing the mayor of London

ENGLAND is a soft target.


So you're fine with our president belittling and attacking London as they nurse their wounds from a terrorist attack?
[/quote]
Trump is right. London IS a soft target. The mayor of London is not taking the threats seriously.

tmiddles wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
You liked Bush because he was a rollover RINO.


I didn't like Bush at all. I just didn't realize how horrible a president could be till Trump. Bush looks like a classy statesman now by comparison.

More hate speech. Why do you hate so much?

tmiddles wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
Come on! Obama was spender in chief. Best ever. Spent more than all his predecessors COMBINED!


And how's Trump doing? Your characterization is way off look here:




The debt is set by Congress, not the President. Only the House can initiate a budget. Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame here.
tmiddles wrote:
TRUMP+ Republican Congress + Republican Senate = Massive Increase in the National Debt

Excuses anyone?

Look to yourself. YOU are the excuse. It is people all over the country becoming dependent on government welfare.
tmiddles wrote:
Also remember that Congress makes the budget and it was a republican controlled congress for most of that.

I just pointed that out.
GasGuzzler wrote:
Not so fast there turbo. Don't forget Clinton sold military technology to China. We may not have seen his worst damage yet.


I'm not familiar with that to be honest. But as you can see he with the Republican congress, really did balance the budget.
[/quote]
Clinton never balanced the budget. He just removed items from visibility. He was hiding the budget, not balancing it.

You have filled much of this post with hate. It is YOU that hates, not Trump.
YOU have gone out of your way to list so-called 'lies'. YOU have gone out of your way to blame the Russians, never even thinking why the Russians would even WANT Trump. Hillary would've been their choice, if they HAD a choice!

You HATE Trump. You HATE Bush. You HATE Republicans. You HATE conservatives. You HATE the Constitution of the United States. You HATE, HATE, HATE.


The Parrot Killer
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11-08-2019 20:00
HarveyH55
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If you paid attention, almost all the big spending bills, are spread out over a decade or more. Even though Obama is out of office, a lot of the things he supported, pushed through, and signed off, his spending is going to be going on for a long time. Bill Clinton did the same thing, just pushed a lot of his spending to go on, after he left office, somebody else's problem, somebody else gets the credit. Obama raised the debt by $10 trillion while in office, that doesn't cover the American revenue, or what he passed for future spending, just what was over the money we took in, while he was in office. His actual spending is likely close to double that. Those long term spending bills are that easy for Trump to throw in the trash, Congress has to vote on each item, and agree. Neither the the House or Senate can agree on much of anything separately. They already have trouble getting things done on our current needs, digging throw past bills too, would pretty much assure us, that they get absolutely nothing done. The annual budget never gets passed, until right up to the shut-down wire, or a little after. They have an entire year to work on it, a lot of it doesn't change much, from year to year. Mostly, they wait, and see how much of a surplus they'll have to spent, and fight over who gets to spend it, and how. The idea of not spending every penny available, saving money, spending less, just doesn't matter to them.

How far back does the love-democrats graph go back? Wonder how many presidents saw the same pattern. It's kind of what some parents do with their kids. Some parents are so thrilled that their child brought home a friend, they treat the young visitor like royalty, fix the snacks, pretty much anything they want, hoping they'll keep coming back, for if nothing else, a free meal. In my house, if was meal time, anyone who showed up was welcomed to join, we made room for them at the table, they got what the rest of us were having. The rest of the time, visitors had to ask for food or drink, which was provided. I never really felt comfortable in houses, where I got smothered, or force-fed, had to constantly, politely decline offers. I think a lot of our foreign policy is based on excessive generosity. They are only our friends, if we keep feeding them free stuff, basically they are bought friends.

You don't have to be friends with everyone, to live in peace. We aren't always going to agree on everything, all the time, even friends disagree from time to time. Difference of opinion does always turn out to start wars, people just go their separate ways. We are better off with the friends we earn through mutual respect, than those we buy. People who are bought, will always go with the best offer, requiring more, to keep, never completely be trusted.
11-08-2019 22:09
RenaissanceMan
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Campaigning for the White House, Obama referred to Bush's increase in the debt ceiling.
Obama called it "irresponsible. That's unpatriotic."

Then Obama shattered the debt ceiling far beyond anything Bush did. But Democrats don't care about such lies and lack of patriotism. Democrats have double standards. Whatever they do is just fine. Whatever Republicans do, they despise and ridicule, even if they were doing worse.
"Depending on what the meaning of 'is' is."
12-08-2019 00:53
HarveyH55
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RenaissanceMan wrote:
Campaigning for the White House, Obama referred to Bush's increase in the debt ceiling.
Obama called it "irresponsible. That's unpatriotic."

Then Obama shattered the debt ceiling far beyond anything Bush did. But Democrats don't care about such lies and lack of patriotism. Democrats have double standards. Whatever they do is just fine. Whatever Republicans do, they despise and ridicule, even if they were doing worse.
"Depending on what the meaning of 'is' is."


Bush raised the debt ceiling, because we went to war. We all knew it wasn't going to be short, or cheap. Many people thought the war on terror a mistake, a disaster. I thought it was the best option at the time, and still do. We haven't had a major terror attack here since. There have been a few, but it wasn't clear if they were actually part of a terror group, or wishful thinking nut jobs. It was a far better discussion to take the fighting over there, than deal with them, as they brought it over here. I think we could have been a little more aggressive, the non-terror locals, would have been much more cooperative, wanting us to get done, a leave quicker.

Obama screwed, pulling out the troops way too soon, when we hadn't reclaimed all the fallen cities. If they still had enough forces to hold one city, they were still strong enough to take another, which they did. Still not sure what Obama did with all that money, the war on terror was still in the budget, paid for, didn't have to borrow for it.
12-08-2019 01:21
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
You import that much from China? Why? You DO realize that China does steal our technology, and imposes extremely stiff tariffs, don't you?


I import one part of what I use in my business and there is no way around it. Some things are no longer made in the US. I literally could not find a vendor for what I import. Other than that I'm MADE IN USA and proud of it. It actually is a pretty small import to get to $1600 when your moron president slaps a surprise %25 tarriff on things.

Into the Night wrote:
The United States is not a democracy. It never was. It is organized as a federated republic.


Which is a form of democracy. Vocabulary Quibbling Fallacy.
I'm happy to substitute the words Federal Republic for democracy since we all know which government we're discussing and how it works.

Into the Night wrote:
Yet your whole post is full of hate. You are being a hypocrite.

I hate Trump because he's a pig trampling on things I care about. I don't hate repulicans, his supporter, or any group of people I don't know a lot about. I am also not ruled by my hate or making decisions based on it. I'm just being honest. I hate the man.

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
His repeated claims that elections are determined by illegal voting,....
He dismissed, ...Russia's Fing with us

Like I said. .these are YOUR claims. Not Trump's.


You're disputing that Trump's alleged there are millions voting illegally and that he disputes the intelligence community finding that Russia attacked us last election?

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Almost as big and issue: He is a leader of hate.

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU and the Democrats that hate. Your post right here is filled with hate.

For Trump not for a group of people I have no legitimate reason to feel hate towards. Trump preaches hatred towards Mexican, Muslims, Unattractive Women, and those who disagree with his policies. THAT is bigotry and hate as it can pose a problem. I just HATE TRUMP.
I would absolutely agree there are those on the left with hate towards groups of people that is also bigoted. Hating republicans is bigotry. And of course I mean acting on that hate, sometimes we feel emotions and we manage to control ourselves.

I think Reagan was great, voted for McCain and consider myself a centrist. If Trump's lost me like this it speaks to his leadership as a divider.

Into the Night wrote:
He never banned Muslims or the Islamic religion. He never even attempted it. You are being a bigot now, and trying to change history.


https://youtu.be/2UoQff8MMVM

Head in the sand fallacy.

Into the Night wrote:
He built a successful real estate career. He won the election, ....


A real self made man! Ha ha ha ha. $300,000,000 family fortune in an already existing real estate business in the 70s and he still managed to go bankrupt several times (think he ever tracked people down to pay them back?). Scum also rises. Trump leveraged birtherism and pandering to the dark side of his supporters to get elected. Plenty of scum have gotten elected that's no proof you're a good person. A drug dealer can be successful. Next to real titans of business and real innovators Trump is a hack.


Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
He thinks NATO collects dues,

They OWE dues. They haven't been paying them. Go read the NATO treaty.


Oh dear. Not knowing what you're talking about fallacy.
NATO does have some a relatively small amount of direct funding of programs but other countries are not skipping those payments. The only beef is with countries spending enough on their own defense.

So again they do not OWE DUES anymore than we do because everyone is paying those modest payments.

So there are two possibilities:

Trump is a liar, knows that's true and is making a misstatement that past payments are in arrears to the common funding.

Trump is a moron with a team that's so dysfunctional no one can correct his ignorance.

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
that clean coal get's washed off lump by lump,

It is. Read about how coal is processed today before use.


Being as ignorant as Trump fallacy.
That's not what makes "Clean coal" different from regular coal, it all get basic processing. So this is what proves a president is a dope.

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
that people should be armed at bars

That's up to he bar owner, not you.


Pretending your fantasy government exists fallacy. It's up to all of us because our government has and exercises it's authority in this area.

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
(even the wild west wouldn't do that),

Lie. They did allow guns in bars quite commonly. In many places in the west, they still do.


Well it does seem it happens if 4 states. Crazy! Literally crazy.

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
but I know your'e going to say the F word part of Tillerson's quote was unconfirmed. This is a direct quote:

...deleted Holy Quote...

Irrelevant.


At what point is eye witness testimony to someones incompetence relevant?


Into the Night wrote:
The Democrats are preaching hate. So are YOU. You can't even hear yourself, you are so filled with hate.


Some are and were prior to Trump. It's smug, elitist and hateful liberals who enjoyed throwing redneck slurs and putting down poor whites who helped get Trump elected. I totally see that. But I hate Trump, not his supporters or any group. And I don't want to be ruled by my hate and acknowledge it's dangerous.



Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I really like having a classy leader.

Just code speech for a liberal leader.


Like Ronald Reagan?

Into the Night wrote:
The debt is set by Congress, not the President. Only the House can initiate a budget. Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame here


Exactly. WE are to blame really, the citizenry. No one is willing to sacrifice anything.
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