More evidence that climate change is FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:Of course that right hand isn't real. It's a mechanical that was expertly installed by one of the top prosthetic scientists in the world.

Why was it installed in the world?

IBdaMann wrote:
I can see in the picture that it was installed on the arm. Is it a moraine?

IBdaMann wrote:
Is the arm a prosthetic ground-zero?

IBdaMann wrote:
If it was pushed there by a glacier, who pushed the glacier?

IBdaMann wrote:
Might it already be too late?

GasGuzzler wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:Of course that right hand isn't real. It's a mechanical that was expertly installed by one of the top prosthetic scientists in the world.

Why was it installed in the world?

An attempt to install the hand on the Van Allen belts was unsuccessful. It just floated away.

GasGuzzler wrote:But hey, way to show off your 3rd grade education.

GasGuzzler wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
If it was pushed there by a glacier, who pushed the glacier?

Sven Issen

GasGuzzler wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:Might it already be too late?

We don't know. We'll have to look over the glacial data if it's not too late.

GasGuzzler wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:I can see in the picture that it was installed on the arm. Is it a moraine?

Yes and no. Only the portion between the original arm and the prosthetic hand is moraine. Scientists refer to this material as transitory morainium. (another great name for a rock band)

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:But hey, way to show off your 3rd grade education.

Hah! The joke is on you! I made it through the fifth grade. LOL. yawn.

GasGuzzler wrote:BTW, LOVE the album cover!

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:BTW, LOVE the album cover!

So Sven and I were listening to the third track on the album "Everyone's a Moraine" when Sven started singing along out loud:

"Your love makes me as hard as a moraine,
Oooh, Oooh, Baby, Oooh, Oooh,
You'll have to map me just to find me, is all I'm say'n,
Oooh, Yeah, Baby, Oooh, Oooh,
When you're as cold as the glacier put'n me in my place,
Oooh, Oooh, Baby, Oooh, Oooh,
Proxy error margin staring at you in yo' face,
Oooh, Yeah, Oooh, Oooh"

... when suddenly my photons got all entangled and I started computing encryption algorithms at a million times the speed of light. It might be that we were just playing it too loud but I'm still going to check for financial terrorism.

Oh, and Sven can't sing for schytt.

James_ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:I started computing encryption algorithms at a million times the speed of light.

Your Engleske sucks. It should be "I started computing encrypted algorithms".

IBdaMann wrote:

James_ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:I started computing encryption algorithms at a million times the speed of light.

Your Engleske sucks. It should be "I started computing encrypted algorithms".

Incorrect. The encryption algorithms are not encrypted.

gfm7175 wrote:
Wait, Transitory Morainium is the band's name, right?? Because apparently there's also a song on the album called "Transitory Morainium", and I can't help but sing along with it:

Yo, yo... yo
It's transitory morainium
You stupid Richard Cranium
I'm tougher than titanium
Work out at the gymnasium
Gonna strengthen up my brachium
Start lubin' up your labium
We'll do it in the stadium
It's transitory morainium

SUCH a classic!

Swan wrote:
Climate Change is FAKE!!!

Then it may come to your mind that, if climate change is unreal then why thousands of scientists, reporters, leaders lie about it (or silent about it)?

we are still coming out of our last ice age so earth is warming.

Im a BM wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate Change is FAKE!!!

Then it may come to your mind that, if climate change is unreal then why thousands of scientists, reporters, leaders lie about it (or silent about it)?

we are still coming out of our last ice age so earth is warming.

Yes, the earth is warming.

There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

Ecosystems don't lie.

They are adapted to specific climate conditions.

When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise, inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

Swan wrote:

To make it simple, for you and your Mommy quantum supremacy is the term for when quantum computers are faster at certain tasks than binary computers. This has already been achieved for certain task, though they will not help you view the kiddy porn that you favor

Im a BM wrote:

Swan wrote:

To make it simple, for you and your Mommy quantum supremacy is the term for when quantum computers are faster at certain tasks than binary computers. This has already been achieved for certain task, though they will not help you view the kiddy porn that you favor

Yes, climate change is REAL.

SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF ICE AND ECOSYSTEMS ON MT. KILIMANJARO

1000 meters above sea level at its base, and 5900 meters above sea level at its peak, Mt. Kilimanjaro is the largest free standing mountain in the world.

Just 330 km south of the equator, it's not the kind of place one usually expects to find any glaciers.

But they are getting harder to find there.

Photographs from 150, 100, and 50 years ago show how much less ice remains today, consistently declining.

But there is perhaps more compelling evidence of climate change on Mt. Kilimanjaro in the vegetation, rather than the ice loss.

A true scientific genius, whose name I will not defile by association with a troll infested rabbit hole, did a detailed study of Mt. Kilimanjaro more than 80 years ago.

It was a "climosequence" of different soil types that formed on the slopes of the mountain.

A single volcanic flow from peak to base provided soil parent material of identical age and chemical composition all up and down the side of the mountain after its last big eruption.

By selecting sites that all had the same slope inclination, the topography factor was also made identical for all study sites.

All were soils of the same age, formed from the same parent material under the same topographic conditions. The only difference was their altitude on the mountain.

It was a "climosequence" of soils, where climate (as influenced by altitude) was the only variable that changed along the sequence.

The highest ecosystem, adapted to the coldest climate conditions, developed distinct soil properties from those at lower elevations.

The upper boundary of that ecosystem has moved a long way uphill in 80 years, now growing where ice used to be.

The lower boundary of that ecosystem also moved uphill.

Indeed, ALL the ecosystems that created the distinct soil types along the Mt. Kilimanjaro climosequence have moved uphill in the last 80 years.

Researchers can go back to the original study sites and confirm that they have changed along with the climate over the last 80 years.

Pests and diseases have moved to higher altitude and latitude with the changing climate, as well.

Im a BM wrote:
Yes, the earth is warming.

Im a BM wrote:
There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

Im a BM wrote:
NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

Im a BM wrote:
Ecosystems don't lie.

Im a BM wrote:
They are adapted to specific climate conditions.
When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

Im a BM wrote:
For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Im a BM wrote:
Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

Im a BM wrote:
In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Im a BM wrote:
Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

Im a BM wrote:
But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Im a BM wrote:
Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

Im a BM wrote:
The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

Im a BM wrote:
But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Im a BM wrote:
Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

Im a BM wrote:
But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

Im a BM wrote:
The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise,

Im a BM wrote:
inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

Swan wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate Change is FAKE!!!

Then it may come to your mind that, if climate change is unreal then why thousands of scientists, reporters, leaders lie about it (or silent about it)?

we are still coming out of our last ice age so earth is warming.

Yes, the earth is warming.

There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

Ecosystems don't lie.

They are adapted to specific climate conditions.

When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise, inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

Sea level has risen over 400 feet in the last 20,000 years. So another millimeter is inconsequential.

Im a BM wrote:
Yes, climate change is REAL.

Im a BM wrote:
SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF ICE AND ECOSYSTEMS ON MT. KILIMANJARO

Im a BM wrote:
1000 meters above sea level at its base, and 5900 meters above sea level at its peak, Mt. Kilimanjaro is the largest free standing mountain in the world.

Im a BM wrote:
Just 330 km south of the equator, it's not the kind of place one usually expects to find any glaciers.

But they are getting harder to find there.

Photographs from 150, 100, and 50 years ago show how much less ice remains today, consistently declining.

Im a BM wrote:
But there is perhaps more compelling evidence of climate change on Mt. Kilimanjaro in the vegetation, rather than the ice loss.

Im a BM wrote:
A true scientific genius, whose name I will not defile by association with a troll infested rabbit hole, did a detailed study of Mt. Kilimanjaro more than 80 years ago.

Im a BM wrote:
It was a "climosequence" of different soil types that formed on the slopes of the mountain.

Im a BM wrote:
A single volcanic flow from peak to base provided soil parent material of identical age and chemical composition all up and down the side of the mountain after its last big eruption.

Im a BM wrote:
By selecting sites that all had the same slope inclination, the topography factor was also made identical for all study sites.

All were soils of the same age, formed from the same parent material under the same topographic conditions. The only difference was their altitude on the mountain.

Im a BM wrote:
It was a "climosequence" of soils, where climate (as influenced by altitude) was the only variable that changed along the sequence.

The highest ecosystem, adapted to the coldest climate conditions, developed distinct soil properties from those at lower elevations.

Im a BM wrote:
The upper boundary of that ecosystem has moved a long way uphill in 80 years, now growing where ice used to be.

Im a BM wrote:
The lower boundary of that ecosystem also moved uphill.

Im a BM wrote:
Indeed, ALL the ecosystems that created the distinct soil types along the Mt. Kilimanjaro climosequence have moved uphill in the last 80 years.

Im a BM wrote:
Researchers can go back to the original study sites and confirm that they have changed along with the climate over the last 80 years.

Im a BM wrote:
Pests and diseases have moved to higher altitude and latitude with the changing climate, as well.

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Im a BM wrote:

Swan wrote:

To make it simple, for you and your Mommy quantum supremacy is the term for when quantum computers are faster at certain tasks than binary computers. This has already been achieved for certain task, though they will not help you view the kiddy porn that you favor

Yes, climate change is REAL.

SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF ICE AND ECOSYSTEMS ON MT. KILIMANJARO

1000 meters above sea level at its base, and 5900 meters above sea level at its peak, Mt. Kilimanjaro is the largest free standing mountain in the world.

Just 330 km south of the equator, it's not the kind of place one usually expects to find any glaciers.

But they are getting harder to find there.

Photographs from 150, 100, and 50 years ago show how much less ice remains today, consistently declining.

But there is perhaps more compelling evidence of climate change on Mt. Kilimanjaro in the vegetation, rather than the ice loss.

A true scientific genius, whose name I will not defile by association with a troll infested rabbit hole, did a detailed study of Mt. Kilimanjaro more than 80 years ago.

It was a "climosequence" of different soil types that formed on the slopes of the mountain.

A single volcanic flow from peak to base provided soil parent material of identical age and chemical composition all up and down the side of the mountain after its last big eruption.

By selecting sites that all had the same slope inclination, the topography factor was also made identical for all study sites.

All were soils of the same age, formed from the same parent material under the same topographic conditions. The only difference was their altitude on the mountain.

It was a "climosequence" of soils, where climate (as influenced by altitude) was the only variable that changed along the sequence.

The highest ecosystem, adapted to the coldest climate conditions, developed distinct soil properties from those at lower elevations.

The upper boundary of that ecosystem has moved a long way uphill in 80 years, now growing where ice used to be.

The lower boundary of that ecosystem also moved uphill.

Indeed, ALL the ecosystems that created the distinct soil types along the Mt. Kilimanjaro climosequence have moved uphill in the last 80 years.

Researchers can go back to the original study sites and confirm that they have changed along with the climate over the last 80 years.

Pests and diseases have moved to higher altitude and latitude with the changing climate, as well.

Into the Night wrote:

Im a BM wrote:
Yes, the earth is warming.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Argument from randU fallacy.

Im a BM wrote:
There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy.

Im a BM wrote:
NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

The boundary is set by government. It hasn't moved.

Im a BM wrote:
Ecosystems don't lie.

Define 'ecosystem'. Buzzword fallacy.

Im a BM wrote:
They are adapted to specific climate conditions.
When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy.

Im a BM wrote:
For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Paradox. Irrational.

Im a BM wrote:
Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

Carbon isn't organic. It's an element.

Im a BM wrote:
In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Paradox. Irrational.

Im a BM wrote:
Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

Paradox. Irrational.

Im a BM wrote:
But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Define 'climate change'. Define this 'feedback'.

Im a BM wrote:
Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Random numbers are not a fact. Learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean 'Universal Truth'.
No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics again.

Im a BM wrote:
Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.

Im a BM wrote:
The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

Paradox. Irrational. Carbon is not organic. It's an element.

Im a BM wrote:
But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Paradox. Irrational.

Im a BM wrote:
Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

Define 'Bioeme boundary'. Define 'climate change'. Define 'Ecosystem'. Define 'ecosystem shift'. Buzzword fallacies. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Argument from randU fallacy. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

Im a BM wrote:
But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

What 'ice age cycle'? Buzzword fallacy.

Im a BM wrote:
The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise,

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Sea levels aren't rising. Runways built just a couple of feet above sea level on Pacific islands during the war are still there.

Im a BM wrote:
inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

What 'past glacial cycle'. Define 'glacial cycle'. Ice cores do not measure temperature. There is no 'geologic record' of global temperature. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Chanting Church of Global Warming scripture and declaring it the Universal Truth isn't going to work.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are...

Swan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Are you DEA...

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Are you DEA...

Mantra 40a.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Are you DEA...

Mantra 40a.

So you ...

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Are you DEA...

Mantra 40a.

So you ...

Mantra 40a.

Im a BM wrote:
More evidence that climate change is REAL.

Biomes are major regional ecosystems, such as tropical rainforest, temperate grasslands, coral reefs, boreal forest (taiga), desert, tundra, and others.

The world's two largest biomes share a common boundary across the northern part of Eurasia and North America.

Taiga and tundra are the biggest biomes on earth.

Since the 1970s, it has been possible to observe the earth's biomes from space, measure their size, and delineate their boundaries.

Even in winter, when the whole region is covered in snow, the boundary between boreal forest (taiga) and tundra is visible from outer space.

The speckled green biome on the southern side is where parts of trees are visible above the snow. The pure white biome on the northern side is tundra buried in snow.

In the growing season, the boundary is even more stark.

The forest is dominated by trees, and the taiga is heathland.

The boundary is moving northward, and this is a change more recent than the invention of satellites.

Similarly, satellites confirm the expansion of deserts.

Climate change is provoking changes to where biomes can exist and the boundaries are moving.

Not a map drawn by a government.

You can see it from outer space.

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Yes, the earth is warming.

There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

Ecosystems don't lie.

They are adapted to specific climate conditions.

When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise, inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

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Mantra 40a.

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Mantra 40a.

Im a BM wrote:
More evidence that climate change is REAL.

Biomes are major regional ecosystems, such as tropical rainforest, temperate grasslands, coral reefs, boreal forest (taiga), desert, tundra, and others.

The world's two largest biomes share a common boundary across the northern part of Eurasia and North America.

Taiga and tundra are the biggest biomes on earth.

Since the 1970s, it has been possible to observe the earth's biomes from space, measure their size, and delineate their boundaries.

Even in winter, when the whole region is covered in snow, the boundary between boreal forest (taiga) and tundra is visible from outer space.

The speckled green biome on the southern side is where parts of trees are visible above the snow. The pure white biome on the northern side is tundra buried in snow.

In the growing season, the boundary is even more stark.

The forest is dominated by trees, and the taiga is heathland.

The boundary is moving northward, and this is a change more recent than the invention of satellites.

Similarly, satellites confirm the expansion of deserts.

Climate change is provoking changes to where biomes can exist and the boundaries are moving.

Not a map drawn by a government.

You can see it from outer space.

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Yes, the earth is warming.

There are many independent lines of evidence that prove the reality of climate change in our short lifetimes.

NORTHWARD SHIFT OF BOUNDARY BETWEEN TAIGA AND TUNDRA

Ecosystems don't lie.

They are adapted to specific climate conditions.

When climate conditions change, ecosystems change.

For many centuries of recorded human history, the geographic boundary between taiga (boreal forest) and tundra had been stable. In both North America and Eurasia, there is plenty of recorded history confirming where the boundary used to be. Including the location of human settlements deliberately located to be at the boundary, established centuries ago.

In the last thirty years, that boundary has moved northward as fast as the forest can get seeds in to colonize the melting tundra.

Tundra has massive amounts of organic carbon below ground in cold storage.

In a frozen state, the decaying organic matter can't decay. And the methane remains trapped in ice.

There are impressive videos of tourists with cigarette lighters setting off explosions where methane is rising out of the melting tundra.

Stray seeds from the forest had been landing on the tundra for centuries, but they never had a chance of getting roots deep enough into the permafrost to survive.

But now that the permafrost is melting, trees are vigorously colonizing territory where they hadn't been able to grow for thousands of years.

But the shifting ecosystem boundary that was provoked by climate change is also aggravating climate change in a vicious feedback.

Methane has 20-30 times as much global warming potential as carbon dioxide, and large scale emission of methane from melting tundra is a documented fact.

Carbon dioxide is also being emitted on a massive scale as the organic matter in the melting permafrost becomes available for decomposition.

The new forest coming in is taking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and sequestering it into organic carbon.

But that is occurring at a rate at least an order of magnitude less than the rate of carbon dioxide emissions from the soil, as microorganisms feast on the abundance of stored organic matter in the tundra soil.

Biome boundaries don't lie when it comes to climate change. Ecosystems shift to move into higher latitudes and higher altitudes when it gets warmer.

But, is it just part of the ice age cycle?

The changes of the past few decades suggest dramatically accelerated warming and sea level rise, inconsistent with any past glacial cycle in the ice core record, or in the geologic record.

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Into the Night wrote:

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GasGuzzler wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:
Climate change began 5 billion years ago on the Earth.

Define 'climate change'. You weren't around 5 billion years ago.

So you are saying that since I wasn't there when the Earth formed, that I can not know today that the Earth formed?

You really struggle with reading, don't you?

No stupid, you CAN know the earth was formed. You can also KNOW that telling me how or when the earth was formed is speculation. Whether you believe in God's creation or a big bang, a belief is all it is. There is no proof. There is observation and evidence, but those are both open to interpretation.

Are you DEA...

Mantra 40a.

So you ...

Mantra 40a.

You are ...

HarveyH55 wrote:
We've only had satellites measuring for about 50 years. The first couple decades weren't real accurate either. Just got something up there, that works. No telling how well calibration held up from the launch, or length of time in service. Most test equipment needed frequent calibration back then... Lot of improvements over the past 20 years as well. When you combine crappy, unreliable data from the past, with accurate modern reading, we see some radical changes, based on the margin-of-error brought in from the early data.

Temperature isn't the only factor that determines plant growth, or any life on Earth. Everything living, needs food and water. Normally, when the food and water dry up in an area, life moves to a new location better suited to their needs, or they die off. May not be entirely ideal, but they adapt to it. Up until the 1800s, buffalo fertilized the plains, until slaughter in mass, for the railroads, and starve the Native Americans. Water usage change with humans moving in, and agriculture. I'm sure the buffalo produced a lot of methane as well as manure piles.

Mostly though, I've never really grasped, how such a small increase in CO2 has wrecked this planet beyond repair. Somewhere around 100 parts per million. That's like peeing in an Olympic size swim pool. Unless someone saw you do it, nobody would know any difference... Why has no one ever tried to harness/exploit this amazingly powerful molecule? Even the current 406 ppm is kind of a small amount, to be responsible for the global-woes we seem to constantly be experiencing. Then again, bad weather started in The Book of Genesis... Long before we started burning stuff. Another oddity... The claim of catastrophes, is based on the rapid increase of CO2, since pre-industrial times. Wouldn't a rapid decrease in CO2, cause an equal amount of death and destruction? Mostly though, plants need a lot of CO2 to thrive. The global population of animals, that feed on plants, has increased considerably since pre-industrial times. Plants need the extra CO2 to keep everything else on the planet fed.

Everything we know about our planet, supports that it's very dynamic, always changing, and always has. Change sucks most of the time, but we endure and adapt,and hope for some positive changes in the near future. Obsessive-compulsive, control-freak syndrome is a human disease. Planet Earth doesn't care about mental disorders.

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Yes, climate change is REAL.

SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF ICE AND ECOSYSTEMS ON MT. KILIMANJARO

1000 meters above sea level at its base, and 5900 meters above sea level at its peak, Mt. Kilimanjaro is the largest free standing mountain in the world.

Just 330 km south of the equator, it's not the kind of place one usually expects to find any glaciers.

But they are getting harder to find there.

Photographs from 150, 100, and 50 years ago show how much less ice remains today, consistently declining.

But there is perhaps more compelling evidence of climate change on Mt. Kilimanjaro in the vegetation, rather than the ice loss.

A true scientific genius, whose name I will not defile by association with a troll infested rabbit hole, did a detailed study of Mt. Kilimanjaro more than 80 years ago.

It was a "climosequence" of different soil types that formed on the slopes of the mountain.

A single volcanic flow from peak to base provided soil parent material of identical age and chemical composition all up and down the side of the mountain after its last big eruption.

By selecting sites that all had the same slope inclination, the topography factor was also made identical for all study sites.

All were soils of the same age, formed from the same parent material under the same topographic conditions. The only difference was their altitude on the mountain.

It was a "climosequence" of soils, where climate (as influenced by altitude) was the only variable that changed along the sequence.

The highest ecosystem, adapted to the coldest climate conditions, developed distinct soil properties from those at lower elevations.

The upper boundary of that ecosystem has moved a long way uphill in 80 years, now growing where ice used to be.

The lower boundary of that ecosystem also moved uphill.

Indeed, ALL the ecosystems that created the distinct soil types along the Mt. Kilimanjaro climosequence have moved uphill in the last 80 years.

Researchers can go back to the original study sites and confirm that they have changed along with the climate over the last 80 years.

Pests and diseases have moved to higher altitude and latitude with the changing climate, as well.

Im a BM wrote:
Proof of climate change: Pests, diseases, and crops moving to higher altitude.

Mt. Kilimanjaro shows the change, and it is recent.

The photos from more than 150 ago don't look much different from those taken 50 years ago, or those taken during the century in between.

The visible and massive ice loss at the top has occurred at an accelerating rate in the last 50 years.

The multiple ecosystems at different altitudes were very well documented 80 years ago. The shift to higher altitude was first noticed about 40 years ago. It has been accelerating since then.

Insect pests that kill forest trees used to die off enough in the winter to minimize damage.

Now the tree mortality rate at higher altitude has doubled, as more pests survive the winter and expand their more destructive range. This severely aggravates the fire hazard, with so many dead trees around.

Crops that are more climate sensitive have had to shift to higher altitude.

Lower elevation coffee plantations have to be abandoned as they no longer perform well. New plantations are being established higher uphill.

Diseases whose insect vectors are climate sensitive are moving to higher altitude.

The malaria zone now reaches higher altitude.

Many large cities in the tropics were established at higher elevation many centuries ago to be above the malaria zone. It has moved uphill to reach them.


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Im a BM wrote:
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Yes, climate change is REAL.

SHIFTING BOUNDARIES OF ICE AND ECOSYSTEMS ON MT. KILIMANJARO

1000 meters above sea level at its base, and 5900 meters above sea level at its peak, Mt. Kilimanjaro is the largest free standing mountain in the world.

Just 330 km south of the equator, it's not the kind of place one usually expects to find any glaciers.

But they are getting harder to find there.

Photographs from 150, 100, and 50 years ago show how much less ice remains today, consistently declining.

But there is perhaps more compelling evidence of climate change on Mt. Kilimanjaro in the vegetation, rather than the ice loss.

A true scientific genius, whose name I will not defile by association with a troll infested rabbit hole, did a detailed study of Mt. Kilimanjaro more than 80 years ago.

It was a "climosequence" of different soil types that formed on the slopes of the mountain.

A single volcanic flow from peak to base provided soil parent material of identical age and chemical composition all up and down the side of the mountain after its last big eruption.

By selecting sites that all had the same slope inclination, the topography factor was also made identical for all study sites.

All were soils of the same age, formed from the same parent material under the same topographic conditions. The only difference was their altitude on the mountain.

It was a "climosequence" of soils, where climate (as influenced by altitude) was the only variable that changed along the sequence.

The highest ecosystem, adapted to the coldest climate conditions, developed distinct soil properties from those at lower elevations.

The upper boundary of that ecosystem has moved a long way uphill in 80 years, now growing where ice used to be.

The lower boundary of that ecosystem also moved uphill.

Indeed, ALL the ecosystems that created the distinct soil types along the Mt. Kilimanjaro climosequence have moved uphill in the last 80 years.

Researchers can go back to the original study sites and confirm that they have changed along with the climate over the last 80 years.

Pests and diseases have moved to higher altitude and latitude with the changing climate, as well.

Im a BM wrote:Proof of climate change: Pests, diseases, and crops moving to higher altitude.

Im a BM wrote:The visible and massive ice loss at the top has occurred at an accelerating rate in the last 50 years.

Im a BM wrote:The multiple ecosystems at different altitudes were very well documented 80 years ago.

Im a BM wrote: The shift to higher altitude was first noticed about 40 years ago. It has been accelerating since then.

Im a BM wrote:Crops that are more climate sensitive have had to shift to higher altitude.

Im a BM wrote:Yes, climate change is REAL.

Im a BM wrote:
Proof of climate change: Pests, diseases, and crops moving to higher altitude.

Mt. Kilimanjaro shows the change, and it is recent.

The photos from more than 150 ago don't look much different from those taken 50 years ago, or those taken during the century in between.

The visible and massive ice loss at the top has occurred at an accelerating rate in the last 50 years.

The multiple ecosystems at different altitudes were very well documented 80 years ago. The shift to higher altitude was first noticed about 40 years ago. It has been accelerating since then.

Insect pests that kill forest trees used to die off enough in the winter to minimize damage.

Now the tree mortality rate at higher altitude has doubled, as more pests survive the winter and expand their more destructive range. This severely aggravates the fire hazard, with so many dead trees around.

Crops that are more climate sensitive have had to shift to higher altitude.

Lower elevation coffee plantations have to be abandoned as they no longer perform well. New plantations are being established higher uphill.

Diseases whose insect vectors are climate sensitive are moving to higher altitude.

The malaria zone now reaches higher altitude.

Many large cities in the tropics were established at higher elevation many centuries ago to be above the malaria zone. It has moved uphill to reach them.