Just one simple question

gasguzzler wrote: I dropped out..... I just want proven science...

spot wrote:
As you can see we only let the highest quality posters post on this high quality forum.

Gravity is only a scientific 'theory' why not walk off a cliff?

Gravity may be a theory, but common sense tells me that theory is true because every object unobstructed falls back to earth. Need common sense in this debate!
For example; if your house is too hot in the winter time, do you look at the house or do you check the heating system? Common sense says check the heat source. Why is the sun not part of this discussion?

A 1.5 trillion dollar industry? where do you get your figures from? talk radio?

gasguzzler & gazmuffler missed: it's 10 degrees below normal here today.

spot wrote:
But the sun is part of the discussion. Scientists have and continue to try and determine what exactly solar variation has on climate. Scientists know about, I as an interested layman know about it, If you used google you would know about it, you obviously don't.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/sun-earth-connections/
You are entitled to your opinion but why should I waste my time having a discussion with someone who won't do the most rudimentary of research before making a statement?

on your other point NASAs earth monitoring budget came up before it's about 2 billion which is a lot but not anywhere near 1.5 trillion, other people are doing other programs but I doubt taken all together its anywhere near 1.5 trillon. I'm guessing the figure they used to get a big scary number must include any energy generation that's not fossil fuel, is that bad?

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NASA_FY2016_Summary_Brief_corrected.pdf

GasGuzzler wrote:
Not arguing what's happening. Just want an inch of proof that my souped up lawn mower was the cause of all that damage.

This warming cycle started around 1911, long before the fossil fuel usage exploded around 1955.

...and this warming cycle looks pretty normal on the GISS 800,000 year chart.

Please explain.

Tim the plumber wrote:

spot wrote:
But the sun is part of the discussion. Scientists have and continue to try and determine what exactly solar variation has on climate. Scientists know about, I as an interested layman know about it, If you used google you would know about it, you obviously don't.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/sun-earth-connections/
You are entitled to your opinion but why should I waste my time having a discussion with someone who won't do the most rudimentary of research before making a statement?

on your other point NASAs earth monitoring budget came up before it's about 2 billion which is a lot but not anywhere near 1.5 trillion, other people are doing other programs but I doubt taken all together its anywhere near 1.5 trillon. I'm guessing the figure they used to get a big scary number must include any energy generation that's not fossil fuel, is that bad?

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NASA_FY2016_Summary_Brief_corrected.pdf

Which data set are you using for your graph? Seems different to the ones I normally see.

Also do you consider that the 0.8c increase in temperatures shown since 1960 (I have previously seen only about 0.5c ish as the max number) has resulted in anything drastic?

If so what?

spot wrote:

Tim the plumber wrote:

spot wrote:
But the sun is part of the discussion. Scientists have and continue to try and determine what exactly solar variation has on climate. Scientists know about, I as an interested layman know about it, If you used google you would know about it, you obviously don't.



http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/sun-earth-connections/
You are entitled to your opinion but why should I waste my time having a discussion with someone who won't do the most rudimentary of research before making a statement?

on your other point NASAs earth monitoring budget came up before it's about 2 billion which is a lot but not anywhere near 1.5 trillion, other people are doing other programs but I doubt taken all together its anywhere near 1.5 trillon. I'm guessing the figure they used to get a big scary number must include any energy generation that's not fossil fuel, is that bad?

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NASA_FY2016_Summary_Brief_corrected.pdf

Which data set are you using for your graph? Seems different to the ones I normally see.

Also do you consider that the 0.8c increase in temperatures shown since 1960 (I have previously seen only about 0.5c ish as the max number) has resulted in anything drastic?

If so what?

I linked the source.

The fact that warmer temperatures have had effects is something I'm certain of, define 'drastic' please it seems open to interpretation.

GasGuzzler wrote: Not arguing what's happening. This warming cycle started around 1911...

spot wrote:
Have you tried any of the many educational resources on the internet? Your questions aren't new and I could tell about Milankovich cycles but if you're honest you're not interested in crap like that and are just here to wind us up.

GasGuzzler wrote: Today I know you are just bad people.

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:
Have you tried any of the many educational resources on the internet? Your questions aren't new and I could tell about Milankovich cycles but if you're honest you're not interested in crap like that and are just here to wind us up.

Well Spot, I have totally nerded out the last 24 hours, digging up anything and everything I can find on this subject, including data from your sources. When you boil it all down we are splitting hairs on 1/2 a degree going back 4.5 million years. One could easily question the accuracy of temps from 10,000+ years ago, but what was most alarming is the fact that we may not even be accurately measuring TODAY"S temps! It would take a massive satellite network that we don't have, not to mention the fraudulent ground readings that have been taken by NOAA. I did dig deep into co2 emissions history and found some GISP charts showing 3500 year periods where co2 was climbing while temps were dropping at the same rate. Accurate? Who knows..but co2 is blamed for the microblinkinhistory rise in temps....supposedly from fossil fuel burning, but those timelines don't line up either. A little more digging took me to wild fires, which are interestingly enough on steady increase since 1960, and line up quite well with temp increase since then. A little more research found that wood fires create carbon 300 times more potent than fossil fuel burning....accurate? Who knows...then I got to the part that made me realize I just wasted all my time and should just trust my gut.

This silly article said that thunderstorms were going to get more severe due to global warming and actually predicted a 6% increase in lightning in the next 10 years. Now how can you predict that??!! Not to mention the entire SCIENCE of it is incorrect. Severe thunderstorms require an unstable atmosphere which requires COLD air over warm air. Where's that cold air going to come from if we are getting so red hot? Are we only heating certain parcels with this global warming thing? If I read all this warming propaganda correctly, the greenhouse effect won't let heat escape the upper levels of the atmosphere. What I do know to be true is the sun heast the ground, and the ground heats the air, and then the heat tries to rise out of the atmosphere into space, but supposedly its trapped and can't get out because my lawn mower burnt too much gas. If that were true severe storms would be on the DECREASE. WHERE"S THE COMMON SENSE ON YOUR SIDE!??!!!!

This crap reminds me of the monster snow storm that hit Boston a few years back. Warming alarmists immediately hit the airwaves blaming the severity of the storm on global warming. They said even though it was snow, the air can hold more moisture when it's a few degrees warmer, and this is what we can expect for decades to come if we don't change our evil ways. They were right about the air holding moisture, but they forgot that the storm should have been rain, but it was 6 degrees below normal AND FELL AS SNOW. . You guys are full of hooey. I'm outta here. You people go on with your "save the planet'' crap, I don't care. Just try not to send me the bill for it. I don't appreciate paying for $hit that don't need to be done.

GasGuzzler wrote:... wildland fires create Nitrous Oxide which is 300 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas effect....

litesong wrote:Nitrous oxice...

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

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This post was from December 30, 2015.

In a couple of months, it will have been EIGHT YEARS since these enlightening and informative posts from Gasguzzler began to appear at this website.

Most new members don't even last eight DAYS. Indeed, more than 95% of new members don't even last eight days. One hundred of them have come and gone in just the last year and a half.

"My rant is not over.."

No, it is not.

I'll try to remember to congratulate you in a couple of months when the rant reaches its eighth birthday.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Hello all, I'm new here. I just have one question I would like answered.
10,000 years ago wasn't there some sort of Ice age?
The question I need answered is this....How did we get out of that ice age? Must have been some sort of global warming. I'm guessing the cavemen were running their SUV's way too much in all that snow and ice and eventually warmed the planet up enough to come out of that ice age.

Seriously people, we've been told of doomsday for 35 years now and it ain't happening, and in that 35 years we've what, doubled? tripled? quadrupled? our GLOBAL fossil fuels usage.

A 10 day weather forecast for any given location is inaccurate at best. So for a 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR forecast, 30 YEAR forecast we are going to drastically change our lives? We willingly pay huge money for green products. We destroy beautiful landscape with wind turdbines. We voluntarily tax ourselves for using evil oil, one of the most natural products on earth. We are trying to give up liberties to the gov to regulate our energy usage IN OUR OWN HOMES!! We are SO stupid, in fact, that we buy cars that have $5,000 batteries awith no real power, believing that they are so clean. At night we plug in these batteries to charge them with electricity CREATED BY BURNING FOSSIL FUELS!!! and...on and on and on......

My rant is not over, I'm just tired and need to get some sleep before a big work day burning a LOT of fuel tomorrow.

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This post was from December 30, 2015.

In a couple of months, it will have been EIGHT YEARS since these enlightening and informative posts from Gasguzzler began to appear at this website.

Most new members don't even last eight DAYS. Indeed, more than 95% of new members don't even last eight days. One hundred of them have come and gone in just the last year and a half.

"My rant is not over.."

No, it is not.

I'll try to remember to congratulate you in a couple of months when the rant reaches its eighth birthday.