Gravity fed electrical generation system

James___ wrote:

dehammer wrote:
Seriously? You have a guy that claims that the hoover dam is a solar power plant and you call that science?

CFC's and F-gases are decreasing the amount of gases that contribute to the Chapman cycle.

James___ wrote:
NOAA says that CO2 is preventing a further decline in the amount of gases in the Chapman cycle.

James___ wrote:
And others say crop failure is possible if the amount of gases in the Chapman cycle are reduced.

James___ wrote:
So what do you think?

dehammer wrote:
Wouldn't it be interesting if they discovered that the reason the ozone holes exist is that co2 fell so much during the last 50 million years.

dehammer wrote:
We never found out what the holes looked like before we put cfc's into the atmosphere.
Maybe they had nothing to do with the holes.

dehammer wrote:
The holes have decreased in sizes at the same rate the co2 is going up.

dehammer wrote:
We do know that co2 increase has caused an increase in the greening of the planet by 17% in 33 years and an increase in food production of 16% in the same period.

dehammer wrote:
Not surprising, you seem to think you know more than all the scientist in the world.

dehammer wrote:
Arent you the one that say hoover dam is a big solar power plant?

Into the Night wrote:

dehammer wrote:
Arent you the one that say hoover dam is a big solar power plant?

Yes. Because that's exactly what it is. Where do you think all that falling water comes from?

dehammer wrote:
So all of those scientist that say dams are powered by gravity are wrong because you disagree with them.

So why do we not have dams on the great plains?

Why don't they use them on ships to power the ships?

The sun is ultimately powered by gravity.

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

dehammer wrote:
Then I recommend you do a little research in to how dams work. IF you can understand that, you can understand why my invention works. IF you cant understand that, you can not understand any science.

The entire message is that this system can work. Its been available since 1979, the early days of the global warming scam. IF global warming was real and a threat, this would have been the solution.

No one wants it. The fossil companies can not control it. The alarmist want socialism. Al Gore wants more money. The UN wants to take down America. None of them can get that from this. So it sets in the patent office gathering dust.

Not all rivers and waterways can support a dam

I don't know a lot about fuel cells, other than they are crazy expensive

Seem like if a hydrogen fuel cell could produce enough power, to separate the waste water, back into hydrogen and water to feed it, they'd be doing that.

"missed a few key issues in the excitement."

dehammer wrote:
So all of those scientist that say dams are powered by gravity are wrong because you disagree with them.

So why do we not have dams on the great plains? Why don't they use them on ships to power the ships?

The sun is ultimately powered by gravity.

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

HarveyH55 wrote:

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

I'm not in the third grade, and I didn't know it. But, third grade was a long time ago for me, still doing the moon landing stuff. I don't believe I'm a troll, don't think I'm always right. I learn, and remember many things, try to correct the mis-information I've collected over the years. Somethings I've come to understand pretty well, hard to convince me otherwise.

Into the Night wrote:snip?

dehammer wrote:
Then I recommend you do a little research in to how dams work. IF you can understand that, you can understand why my invention works.

dehammer wrote:
IF you cant understand that, you can not understand any science.

dehammer wrote:
The entire message is that this system can work.

dehammer wrote:
Its been available since 1979, the early days of the global warming scam.

dehammer wrote:
IF global warming was real and a threat, this would have been the solution.

dehammer wrote:
No one wants it.

dehammer wrote:
The fossil companies can not control it.

dehammer wrote:
The alarmist want socialism.

dehammer wrote:
Al Gore wants more money.

dehammer wrote:
The UN wants to take down America.

dehammer wrote:
None of them can get that from this.

dehammer wrote:
So it sets in the patent office gathering dust.

James___ wrote:

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

Slight problem. The corona around the Sun is hotter, much hotter than the surface of the Sun . With me, I like to keep things simple and say things like quantum entanglement. This link gives possible sources of the corona's heat content. Of course those plasma jets might be the product of nuclear fission. https://www.zmescience.com/research/why-sun-corona-is-hotter-than-surface-03421432/

Into the Night wrote: Build it. Try to get it to work.

HarveyH55 wrote:

dehammer wrote:
Then I recommend you do a little research in to how dams work. IF you can understand that, you can understand why my invention works. IF you cant understand that, you can not understand any science.

The entire message is that this system can work. Its been available since 1979, the early days of the global warming scam. IF global warming was real and a threat, this would have been the solution.

No one wants it. The fossil companies can not control it. The alarmist want socialism. Al Gore wants more money. The UN wants to take down America. None of them can get that from this. So it sets in the patent office gathering dust.

A dam works, because there is a huge volume of water behind it. The water is constantly replenished by rain and runoff from melting snow in surrounding mountains. Not all rivers and waterways can support a dam, or commercial scale hydroelectric plant. I believe the first hydroelectric plant was built at Niagara Falls, by Dr. Nikola Tesla, but could be wrong. It was most definitely the first to provide alternating current though, and long distant transmission of power, that we enjoy today.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't have the engineering, to calculate the diameter of the pipe you would need, to provide enough water pressure needed to rotate a large enough turbine, to produce a useful amount of electricity.

HarveyH55 wrote:
You want to separate the hydrogen and oxygen, to transport the water up the tube, instead of pumping, which would take a lot of power, and more time, than it takes the water to run through the turbine, when recombined. I don't recall any electrolysis done in a pressure container, the gas had been compressed, after collected though.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I don't know a lot about fuel cells, other than they are crazy expensive, and limited lifespan.

HarveyH55 wrote:
It's an array of cells actually, each cell produces about 0.7 volts, current depends on surface area.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Sort of like solar panels are made of individual cells, which produce 0.5 volts. Seem like if a hydrogen fuel cell could produce enough power, to separate the waste water, back into hydrogen and water to feed it, they'd be doing that.

HarveyH55 wrote:
They don't, because it would use a lot of current, for too little recovery, lowering the efficiency, and no real gain. There are other ways to obtain hydrogen and oxygen, besides water electrolysis, which are more efficient.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Alternative energy has been a thing of interest for a long time, even before oil pumps and electric grids. People pour through those patents often, hoping to find something that just needs modern materials, newer technology, a little tweak. Most just look good on paper, but just don't workout in practice, missed a few key issues in the excitement. Even respected scientist get it wrong, which isn't a bad thing, since it's a search for the truth. Success or failure, something is still learned from the work done. Cold Fusion was one of the most recent, the scientists would have been fine, except they tried to hide the failure, to keep their research cash flowing, by claiming their observation was repeatable. It wasn't, no one else could, they couldn't demonstrate it to others either.

HarveyH55 wrote:
If this patent had some merit, it could have gotten funding. The two largest alternative energy, wind and solar, aren't that great, and take a lot of landscape. Anything that could compete, and take up less space, would be more appealing.

Into the Night wrote:snip

dehammer wrote:
The reservoir behind a dam prevents it from losing power during winter when there is no snow melting or rain refilling the lake. It keeps the height high even during droughts.

dehammer wrote:
My design has constantly refreshed upper reservoir that doesn't care about weather. That means it doesn't have to have the huge reservoir.

dehammer wrote:
What matters is the distance the water falls. THAT is the same for both nature and my system which copies nature.

dehammer wrote:

Not all rivers and waterways can support a dam

And do you know why? Because most rivers and waterways do not have the drop that allows it. You cant have a dam in the high plains because there is no altitude to give it a drop sufficient to make it worth the effort.

dehammer wrote:
What makes it possible to make electricity from water at dams is the altitude the water drops from.

dehammer wrote:

I don't know a lot about fuel cells, other than they are crazy expensive

They used to be when they used platinum, but now they use nickel. Its a difference between a few hundred dollars a pound vs a few dollars a ton. Yes, they do have a limited lifespan, but that's called maintenance cost. The turbines in the hoover dam have a limited lifespan, but they are used.

dehammer wrote:

Seem like if a hydrogen fuel cell could produce enough power, to separate the waste water, back into hydrogen and water to feed it, they'd be doing that.

PLEASE learn to read for comprehension. I have stated it only gets 40% to 60% of the electricity that it needs to run. That is why they do not do it.

dehammer wrote:
It takes the entire system to make it work, not just parts of it.

dehammer wrote:
Do you think your car would run with JUST the battery?

dehammer wrote:
OF course your car can not run with just the gas either.

dehammer wrote:
It needs a pump to run the gasoline to the engine,

dehammer wrote:
it needs the engine to burn the gas and convert it to mechanical energy,

dehammer wrote:
then it needs the transmission to turn that into useable energy for the tires,

dehammer wrote:
then you need the tires to convert the mechanical energy to motion.

dehammer wrote:
With all of that, you still need a battery to give the modern vehicles the spark to start.

dehammer wrote:
With this SYSTEM, no part of it works without the rest. You need the electrolysis to get the fuel into the pipe. You need the motor/boiler/fuel cell to convert that back to water. Then you need the drop in altitude to give the system the power to run. If you have enough altitude, you do not even need to get the energy from the fuel cells. Using the fuel cells is just to lower the required altitude.

dehammer wrote:

"missed a few key issues in the excitement."

In this case, that is more true than you know. This was stolen from me and the guy that patented it did not understand all of it. I deliberately left a flaw in it and he patented it with that flaw.

I have explained what that flaw was.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Even dams don't really work anymore you think THIS will?

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote: Build it. Try to get it to work.

I am a disabled vet on a fixed income.

dehammer wrote:
This would require the ability to climb mountains

dehammer wrote:
and that I can not do.

dehammer wrote:
A test could be built with perhaps $2000 IF you had access to a mountain and could climb it, but I do not have either.

dehammer wrote:
IF I could raise the money,

dehammer wrote:
and hire someone to do it

dehammer wrote:
AND could have access to a mountain with perhaps a 1:1 drop, I would do so.

Into the Night wrote:snip.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

Slight problem. The corona around the Sun is hotter, much hotter than the surface of the Sun . With me, I like to keep things simple and say things like quantum entanglement. This link gives possible sources of the corona's heat content. Of course those plasma jets might be the product of nuclear fission. https://www.zmescience.com/research/why-sun-corona-is-hotter-than-surface-03421432/

You like to keep things complicated and use as many buzzwords as you can.

dehammer wrote:

Into the Night wrote:snip.

Let me know if you ever learn to read for content.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

Slight problem. The corona around the Sun is hotter, much hotter than the surface of the Sun . With me, I like to keep things simple and say things like quantum entanglement. This link gives possible sources of the corona's heat content. Of course those plasma jets might be the product of nuclear fission. https://www.zmescience.com/research/why-sun-corona-is-hotter-than-surface-03421432/

You like to keep things complicated and use as many buzzwords as you can.

Nah. You know gravity really doesn't put pressure on matter while it causes matter to compress itself. I mean when energy is being generated in a body like a planet or the Sun it might only be the result of fission taking place because of gravity.
That's pretty basic.

dehammer wrote:
So your saying that a submarine can go 10 miles beneath the surface without the pressure getting worse?

dehammer wrote:
So your saying that a submarine can go 10 miles beneath the surface without the pressure getting worse?

dehammer wrote:
The point is submarines can only go a few hundred feet beneath the surface because the pressure increases the further you go down. That proves you know nothing of science.

Come back when you learn the first things about science, or you decide to stop trying to make people made enough to leave (trolling).

Until then, you aren't worth noticing.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

dehammer wrote:
The only reason the sun puts out energy is that the core is under so much pressure from gravity that the hydrogen is forced together.

Anyone that knew 3rd grade science knows this so either you aren't a 3rd grader graduate, or your a troll.

Slight problem. The corona around the Sun is hotter, much hotter than the surface of the Sun . With me, I like to keep things simple and say things like quantum entanglement. This link gives possible sources of the corona's heat content. Of course those plasma jets might be the product of nuclear fission. https://www.zmescience.com/research/why-sun-corona-is-hotter-than-surface-03421432/

You like to keep things complicated and use as many buzzwords as you can.

Nah. You know gravity really doesn't put pressure on matter while it causes matter to compress itself. I mean when energy is being generated in a body like a planet or the Sun it might only be the result of fission taking place because of gravity.
That's pretty basic.

It's also off topic. You fell for him moving the goalposts.