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water water water30-01-2020 03:02
waterboy
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My climate change theory.
Think about how much fresh water we have harvested from the ocean over the past 100 years.
Our need and thirst for fresh water is massive.
We prevent rainwater from retuning to the sea by building dams and sucking water out of rivers and from underground.
These dams are constantly being drained to satisfy our needs and each time it rains we trap more water that has evaporated from the ocean.
Take a snapshot of the earth today to see where all this water goes.
Industry is a massive water consumer
Every motor vehicle on earth stores several litres of water
Every house contains many litres of water at any one time, in its pipes, hot water storage not to mention swimming pools
Every human being contains water
Food and beverages contain water, think how much beer/wine/soft drink/water etc is on earth at any one time
So, at any one time we have a lot of water on earth that should be in the ocean and the need for fresh water just keeps growing.
My theory is draining fresh water from the ocean will make the ocean saltier, which in turn melts ice which is largely fresh water.
The melting of the ice is natures' way of balancing the salt levels of the ocean.
Melting ice causes temperatures to rise.
Could all this extra fresh water we have on earth that is exposed to the sun also affect weather patterns.
Instead of water evaporating from the ocean it now also evaporates from land, including dams, pools, farm irrigation, household irrigation etc.
What happens to the ocean when all the ice has melted and we continue taking fresh water from it?
30-01-2020 03:23
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Every drain eventually leads to the sea or becomes evaporation supporting rainfall again. Radiators gets flushed. People pee. Swimming pools get drained and cleaned. Pipes in houses also include drain pipes. Even in home septic systems, that water goes into the vegetation of your yard and evaporates again supporting rain. That runoff often just returns to the sea.

Even a dam doesn't prevent that water from returning to the sea.
30-01-2020 03:48
HarveyH55
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Evaporated water, is fresh water, which eventual condenses, and produces rain. it rains over oceans as well as land. A lot of storm water gets channeled directly to the oceans, to prevent flooding in most areas. You do realize, that almost 80% of the earth surface, is covered with water, either liquid or solid. There is a lot of water underground. Oceans are incredibly deep. On a global scale, mankind doesn't really have the catastrophic influence the progressive/socialists like to believe. The fresh water 'crisis', is just a marketing tool, to sell a natural, and plentiful product, at a premium price. Bottled water, is essentially, filtered tap water, and packaged in most large cities. It's the same product, bottled in the same plants, but dozens of labels and containers of different brands are used. Consumers don't seem to realize they are paying a premium price, for the same product they get in their home's tap water. There are some areas, where water quality isn't great, and people would need to purchase a filtering device of their own, but could still save a lot of money.

Water isn't a problem at all, it's one of the most plentiful natural resources on the planet. All the 'crisis' issues are man made fantasies, to justify charging consumers large amounts of money, for something they could get for free. Drought prone areas could have corrected their problems, centuries ago, but little incentive to spend the money on solutions.
30-01-2020 06:09
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Evaporated water, is fresh water, which eventual condenses, and produces rain. it rains over oceans as well as land. A lot of storm water gets channeled directly to the oceans, to prevent flooding in most areas. You do realize, that almost 80% of the earth surface, is covered with water, either liquid or solid. There is a lot of water underground. Oceans are incredibly deep. On a global scale, mankind doesn't really have the catastrophic influence the progressive/socialists like to believe. The fresh water 'crisis', is just a marketing tool, to sell a natural, and plentiful product, at a premium price. Bottled water, is essentially, filtered tap water, and packaged in most large cities. It's the same product, bottled in the same plants, but dozens of labels and containers of different brands are used. Consumers don't seem to realize they are paying a premium price, for the same product they get in their home's tap water. There are some areas, where water quality isn't great, and people would need to purchase a filtering device of their own, but could still save a lot of money.

Water isn't a problem at all, it's one of the most plentiful natural resources on the planet. All the 'crisis' issues are man made fantasies, to justify charging consumers large amounts of money, for something they could get for free. Drought prone areas could have corrected their problems, centuries ago, but little incentive to spend the money on solutions.



You're ignorant Harvey. People can only drink potable (desalinated) water. That requires a lot of energy and is about 5 times more expensive than a river.
But as you have said before, we don't need rivers, we need cheap.
You're an environmentalists worst nightmare because you'd sleep in your own shїt and call it insulation or bedding. Who knows, you might already.
If you're wondering about the ї, it's Ukranian.
30-01-2020 16:36
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote: Every drain eventually leads to the sea

You saw Finding Nemo too!

Into the Night wrote:Even a dam doesn't prevent that water from returning to the sea.

No, but it sure slows its escape into space.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
30-01-2020 19:50
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Evaporated water, is fresh water, which eventual condenses, and produces rain. it rains over oceans as well as land. A lot of storm water gets channeled directly to the oceans, to prevent flooding in most areas. You do realize, that almost 80% of the earth surface, is covered with water, either liquid or solid. There is a lot of water underground. Oceans are incredibly deep. On a global scale, mankind doesn't really have the catastrophic influence the progressive/socialists like to believe. The fresh water 'crisis', is just a marketing tool, to sell a natural, and plentiful product, at a premium price. Bottled water, is essentially, filtered tap water, and packaged in most large cities. It's the same product, bottled in the same plants, but dozens of labels and containers of different brands are used. Consumers don't seem to realize they are paying a premium price, for the same product they get in their home's tap water. There are some areas, where water quality isn't great, and people would need to purchase a filtering device of their own, but could still save a lot of money.

Water isn't a problem at all, it's one of the most plentiful natural resources on the planet. All the 'crisis' issues are man made fantasies, to justify charging consumers large amounts of money, for something they could get for free. Drought prone areas could have corrected their problems, centuries ago, but little incentive to spend the money on solutions.



You're ignorant Harvey. People can only drink potable (desalinated) water. That requires a lot of energy and is about 5 times more expensive than a river.
But as you have said before, we don't need rivers, we need cheap.
You're an environmentalists worst nightmare because you'd sleep in your own shїt and call it insulation or bedding. Who knows, you might already.
If you're wondering about the ї, it's Ukranian.


When water evaporates, it doesn't take the salt with it. Rain water, is potable water, change your crap sack. Sure, I may be ignorant on a lot things, but I'm pretty quick to learn. I learned that most of what you type, is straight out of your crap sack, and you are probably off your meds, again. Medicare not as generous as Obama told you it would be.
30-01-2020 21:07
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
You saw Finding Nemo too!


Heh. At least for Melbourne, all drains do lead to the sea, via the sewage treatment plant.

I wonder why they didn't show THAT in a Disney movie?



The Parrot Killer
30-01-2020 22:56
keepit
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Water: the problem is it is not equally distributed around the world.
Does anyone know if the water that is used for fracking could be put in a pool and just allowed to evaporate and then become good water again? Fracking uses a huge amount of water but if nature recycles it, i guess nature would be redistributing it to some extent.
31-01-2020 01:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Water: the problem is it is not equally distributed around the world.

I can't think of ANYTHING that is equally distributed around the world.
keepit wrote:
Does anyone know if the water that is used for fracking could be put in a pool and just allowed to evaporate and then become good water again?

About 1% of the water use in the United States goes to fracking. That's exactly what happens to it, unless the water is treated and released to the river it came from (some wells are doing this now).
keepit wrote:
Fracking uses a huge amount of water

About 1% of the fresh water use in the United States.
keepit wrote:
but if nature recycles it, i guess nature would be redistributing it to some extent.

Nature recycles it. Sometimes the well driller himself will recycle it before nature does.


The Parrot Killer
31-01-2020 01:27
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Evaporated water, is fresh water, which eventual condenses, and produces rain. it rains over oceans as well as land. A lot of storm water gets channeled directly to the oceans, to prevent flooding in most areas. You do realize, that almost 80% of the earth surface, is covered with water, either liquid or solid. There is a lot of water underground. Oceans are incredibly deep. On a global scale, mankind doesn't really have the catastrophic influence the progressive/socialists like to believe. The fresh water 'crisis', is just a marketing tool, to sell a natural, and plentiful product, at a premium price. Bottled water, is essentially, filtered tap water, and packaged in most large cities. It's the same product, bottled in the same plants, but dozens of labels and containers of different brands are used. Consumers don't seem to realize they are paying a premium price, for the same product they get in their home's tap water. There are some areas, where water quality isn't great, and people would need to purchase a filtering device of their own, but could still save a lot of money.

Water isn't a problem at all, it's one of the most plentiful natural resources on the planet. All the 'crisis' issues are man made fantasies, to justify charging consumers large amounts of money, for something they could get for free. Drought prone areas could have corrected their problems, centuries ago, but little incentive to spend the money on solutions.



You're ignorant Harvey. People can only drink potable (desalinated) water. That requires a lot of energy and is about 5 times more expensive than a river.
But as you have said before, we don't need rivers, we need cheap.
You're an environmentalists worst nightmare because you'd sleep in your own shїt and call it insulation or bedding. Who knows, you might already.
If you're wondering about the ї, it's Ukranian.


When water evaporates, it doesn't take the salt with it. Rain water, is potable water, change your crap sack. Sure, I may be ignorant on a lot things, but I'm pretty quick to learn. I learned that most of what you type, is straight out of your crap sack, and you are probably off your meds, again. Medicare not as generous as Obama told you it would be.



Did you come up with that all by yourself? I shouldn't pick on you Harvey. It's just like these guys didn't know that the Sun is growing despite how much energy it radiates. It's like what one person told me, the people in here prefer to discuss a general idea. And I do have other things that I can be doing.
31-01-2020 02:04
keepit
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Fracking accounts for 1% of INDUSTRIAL water use. Industrial water use is somewhere in the range of 25 to 50 of total water use. Still fracking seems to be a much better way of producing fuel for energy production as far as CO2 than other fuels, especially coal.
31-01-2020 04:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: Still fracking seems to be a much better way of producing fuel for energy production as far as CO2 than other fuels, especially coal.

... and when you consider that CO2 is not a problem, fracking is a win/win for everyone.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
31-01-2020 22:44
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Fracking accounts for 1% of INDUSTRIAL water use. Industrial water use is somewhere in the range of 25 to 50 of total water use. Still fracking seems to be a much better way of producing fuel for energy production as far as CO2 than other fuels, especially coal.


Why 'as far as CO2'? What's wrong with coal?


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