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Trump Skips another Climate Change Meeting With World Leaders...23-09-2019 17:55
HarveyH55
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Now, I can understand how pointless it would be to sit through Catholic Mass, if you aren't Catholic, and never learned any Latin (or Spanish, in my case). But, I'm sort of wonder the wisdom of Trump skipping all of them. You'd at least think he'd would make an appearance, whether or not he speaks or not. He should be learning some of that 'stuff', as it will likely get brought up during the 2020 campaign. Every vote still counts, and although most true believers, tend to be democrat/socialist, he should still be prepared. Trump isn't spineless, like Obama, and going to get wrangled into another 'Paris' deal. Who knows, maybe if he asked the right questions, he could get a few of the other world leaders to skip the next one. Nice game of golf, or something fun.

Just showing up for the meetings, along with the other leaders, shows respect, and earns the same. It shows that his opposition is genuine and informed, not out of any ignorance on the topic. It's more of a political issue, which he needs to take some sort of action on, take a firm position. Simply dismissing it as nonsense, isn't quite good enough.

The news story I heard about his UN plans, also said he would be attending a Christian persecution meeting instead. Wonder how that will go over with the democrats, he's suppose to remain neutral on religion, and pick on over the other is unconstitutional. Should have excused himself, from both. Suppose his choice was more like choosing between Christianity, and Satanism... Maybe the democrats are all focused on UkraineGate. Which, would be the end of the Biden campaign, not to mention, quite a few other democrat careers. Should be interesting how that one goes.
23-09-2019 20:03
Tai Hai Chen
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Economy is good under Trump. Unless Florida goes under water, Trump gets second term guaranteed. Not that it's a good thing for the word considering he's a warhawk.
23-09-2019 20:36
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HarveyH55 wrote: Now, I can understand how pointless it would be to sit through Catholic Mass, if you aren't Catholic, and never learned any Latin (or Spanish, in my case).

Harvey, I have to mention how pointless it is for Catholics to sit through a Catholic mass. At what point does one scream out, begging to be totured on the rack for relief!

Let's walk through it ... stand, sit, stand, sit, kneel, sit, kneel, stand, kneel, sit, stand, kneel, aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, STOP! I'll opt to be water-boarded over the baptismal font! ... anything! Please!!!

Oh, ... I'm sorry, I'm digressing, aren't I?

Nevermind.

HarveyH55 wrote: But, I'm sort of wonder the wisdom of Trump skipping all of them.

The Catholic masses? Oh, you mean the pointless "Climate"meetings that accomplish nothing except wasting valuable time. Personally I appreciate Trump highlighting the sheer stupidity of "Climate" meetings and not lending creedence to those time wasters.

Yes, I find it wise and I support Trump not attending a single one. Now, if he wants to subject himself to a Catholic mass, fine, that's on him.

HarveyH55 wrote: He should be learning some of that 'stuff', as it will likely get brought up during the 2020 campaign.

Harvey, what makes you think he doesn't already know all of that "stuff"? What do you imagine that Trump needs to know that he doesn't know already?

HarveyH55 wrote: Just showing up for the meetings, along with the other leaders, shows respect, and earns the same.

Just showing up lends creedence to the meeting and generates unwanted pressure to acquiesce to bogus crap.

Not attending, however, breaks the stigma of not blindly going along with other world leaders' coercion. It emboldens other countries to stop wasting their time as well.

Not attending is absolutely the right thing to do.


HarveyH55 wrote: It shows that his opposition is genuine and informed,

That's not the issue. Attendance is for those who believe in it. If you don't believe in a particular religion then you should not attend those services.


HarveyH55 wrote: The news story I heard about his UN plans, also said he would be attending a Christian persecution meeting instead. Wonder how that will go over with the democrats, he's suppose to remain neutral on religion, and pick on over the other is unconstitutional.

The problem here is just your wording. Trump opposes religious persecution, which happens, in this case, to be broad Muslim persecution of Christians.

I believe Trump would attend that same event if it were addressing broad Christian persecution of Muslims.

In any event, the topic is religious persecution.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
23-09-2019 22:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Economy is good under Trump. Unless Florida goes under water, Trump gets second term guaranteed. Not that it's a good thing for the word considering he's a warhawk.


He is?? What war has he started?


The Parrot Killer
23-09-2019 22:32
HarveyH55
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Isn't climate change a religion? They speak their own language, pickup new phrases all the time. I chose the Catholic story, since I'd imagine sitting through a climate meeting about the same, not understanding the language. Women like to torture men with stuff like that...

The believers are strong hope and faith. By showing up to a meeting or two, Trump would grab a little of that from them. They wouldn't be so quick to dismiss, or attack him, if there is some hope, that he'll turn, before we all burn... They wouldn't want to push him away, if they feel he might join the flock. The stuff he would actually learn from the other leaders, is whether or not they are actually true believers, caved under pressure, or just using it for political purposes. I doubt many of them actually buy the BS, but feel a need to put on a show. Some of the rely on popularity, in order to remain employed. They all get the same report from the IPCC, it's really more about how each country interprets the cryptic scripture.

Avoiding the subject, doesn't show that he actually understands that it's BS, just that he isn't impressed, and doesn't care. Unfortunately, there are sufficient believers to sway the vote in some countries, probably not ours though. Part of Hilary losing, is some of her supporters didn't figure their votes were going to matter, she had all she needed. It was her fault, and false claims, that convince them she had it nail down. Trump already has it won, but he still needs people to vote. I don't know which the DNC will pick, pretty sure Biden won't make it. Warren is getting tired, and still a long way to go, do think she'll make it either. The rest are pretty damn weak. Bernie is a born loser...
23-09-2019 22:37
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HarveyH55 wrote:
..... You'd at least think he'd would make an appearance, whether or not he speaks or not. ....[/url]

I always think you need to consider WWIII. Having our chief diplomat intentionally pissing off large portions of the globe endangers us all.

There is a practical side to being "diplomatic" and a skilled politician.

I know Putin is loving every bit of this.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed: The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference& Proof: no data is ever valid for them
23-09-2019 23:30
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
..... You'd at least think he'd would make an appearance, whether or not he speaks or not. ....[/url]

I always think you need to consider WWIII. Having our chief diplomat intentionally pissing off large portions of the globe endangers us all.

Wups.

* You forgot that he successfully negotiated a new and improved North American Free Trade agreement that puts the U.S. on better footing. Mexico and Canada AGREED to it. They are not 'pissed off'.
* You forgot that he successfully reduced the threat to Japan, South Korea, and Hawaii by expressing his very clear intentions of North Korea continued to shoot missiles like they were. I have no problem with Trump pissing off a tinpot dictator. Japan and South Korea is not pissed off.
* You forgot that he is currently working with the Ukraine government to uncover Biden's illegal activities through the use of his son. They ARE pissed off...at Biden!

So who has Trump pissed off? Are you actually going to defend dictators and oppressive regimes around the world?

tmiddles wrote:
There is a practical side to being "diplomatic" and a skilled politician.

Trump has already shown far more skill in diplomacy than many a President before him.
tmiddles wrote:
I know Putin is loving every bit of this.

What's he got to do with anything?


The Parrot Killer
24-09-2019 01:46
HarveyH55
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WWIII? That takes an act of provocation. Some might not be thrilled with Trump, but they know he's right. Many of the spineless presidents of the past, agreed to most anything, just to get their name on a paper, and call it an achievement. Most ever country were more than happy to take our money, and give little, if anything in return. Yeah, maybe a few might be a little upset, the cash cow ain't producing as before, but they have plenty to last a while, least another 4 years of Trump.

North Korea wasn't even talking to the US, until Trump, except to make threats. They most definitely eased up on the missile launches, fewer, and shorter range. You can't expect a boy, to give up his toys... They likely already have functional nuclear missiles, the delivery system isn't as reliable as they'd like see. Most of their missile tests, actually make it off the launch pad these days though, least the shorter range ones. Pretty sure they will eventually make an agreement with Trump, the sanctions are brutal, but they don't want to admit it, or appear weak.

I wouldn't doubt Iran will tone things down soon as well. They are acting out in desperation, frustration. There are pretty well crippled by sanctions, and they won't be lifted, until they behave. Obama gave them a taste of relief, and a plane load of cash (idiot). Iranian elections are usually conducted at the end of a proverbial sword. Either the current leader caves a little, or the newly elected leader will be more interested in talking. Lot of people over there interested in a little relief from the sanctions, and the better life they had briefly a couple years ago.

China will sign a trade agreement soon. Think a lot of people are making good money off the markets, a lot of movement, lots of clean, predictable, highs and lows. China knows it needs US materials, an US consumers, more than we need their cheap crap, and will eventual sign the paper. They won't actually honor the agreement though, and will test the limits for a while, and settle into some clever ways to get around it, push the limits just as far as they can get away with. It will still be a better deal, than what we currently have.

I really don't think Trump wants war, just business. He offers plenty of peaceful opportunities to resolve issues, force has so far been the last resort, and we were already there, just sent more troops and equipment, and got the job done, which Obama botched. Not sure what the Taliban deal was all about, nothing good could have come from it. Their religion has been around a long time, it's non-negotiable.
24-09-2019 04:35
flangeytheclown
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world leaders want us to pay up while they continue to pollute more than ever. wgaff
24-09-2019 06:17
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tmiddles wrote:
I always think you need to consider WWIII. Having our chief diplomat intentionally pissing off large portions of the globe endangers us all. There is a practical side to being "diplomatic" and a skilled politician. I know Putin is loving every bit of this.

Vladimir's rolling in ice cream cones tonight! A set of young'uns done completely forgot the Cold War is astage, but I can only pat 'em on the head and say the media took it behind the curtain when glee broke out at the Soviet Union's bye. And generations do forget things; mine didn't worry about WWI too much.

US has 6000 nuclear weapons rattling in arsenal now, more than there were when I started school. I missed Bert the Turtle with "Duck and Cover" by just a couple years. The school district had stopped the drills on account of kids coming home scared, and the bombers hadn't popped up on the DEW line yet. They went on to tunnel Cheyenne Mountain anyway, and the computers underground kept announcing alerts all the way up to Archer Able in 1983.

I give Trump credit for standing up to do-nothing politicians about the fact we must regulate our border. While I hate the "migrant cages" used, Trump really has no choice—law doesn't permit USCBP to put migrants on planes home the same day as I would, if they arrive without a visa. Puebla sin Fronteras and other outfits went to El Salvador to coach people on how to form caravans, bring their children along and claim asylum, torqueing a process meant for war zones under the UN Convention on Refugees. And I don't like the way the left bashes him on race and gender nonstop.

But he's a loudmouthed buffoon. No experience overseas at all. I never imagined we'd have a president addicted to Twitter. White House turnover's amazing; Scaramucci can't last two weeks in his administration. If that's the winning style, I'm not gonna be too optimistic of our political future.
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Edited on 24-09-2019 06:24
24-09-2019 19:24
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VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I always think you need to consider WWIII. Having our chief diplomat intentionally pissing off large portions of the globe endangers us all. There is a practical side to being "diplomatic" and a skilled politician. I know Putin is loving every bit of this.

Vladimir's rolling in ice cream cones tonight! A set of young'uns done completely forgot the Cold War is astage, but I can only pat 'em on the head and say the media took it behind the curtain when glee broke out at the Soviet Union's bye. And generations do forget things; mine didn't worry about WWI too much.

US has 6000 nuclear weapons rattling in arsenal now, more than there were when I started school. I missed Bert the Turtle with "Duck and Cover" by just a couple years. The school district had stopped the drills on account of kids coming home scared, and the bombers hadn't popped up on the DEW line yet. They went on to tunnel Cheyenne Mountain anyway, and the computers underground kept announcing alerts all the way up to Archer Able in 1983.

I give Trump credit for standing up to do-nothing politicians about the fact we must regulate our border. While I hate the "migrant cages" used, Trump really has no choice—law doesn't permit USCBP to put migrants on planes home the same day as I would, if they arrive without a visa. Puebla sin Fronteras and other outfits went to El Salvador to coach people on how to form caravans, bring their children along and claim asylum, torqueing a process meant for war zones under the UN Convention on Refugees. And I don't like the way the left bashes him on race and gender nonstop.

But he's a loudmouthed buffoon. No experience overseas at all. I never imagined we'd have a president addicted to Twitter. White House turnover's amazing; Scaramucci can't last two weeks in his administration. If that's the winning style, I'm not gonna be too optimistic of our political future.
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No experience overseas??? Do you realize how many Trump properties are overseas???


The Parrot Killer
24-09-2019 19:30
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VernerHornung wrote:But [Trump]'s a loudmouthed buffoon. No experience overseas at all. I never imagined we'd have a president addicted to Twitter. White House turnover's amazing; Scaramucci can't last two weeks in his administration. If that's the winning style, I'm not gonna be too optimistic of our political future.

Your abject envy of Donald Trump is so transparent.

No experience overseas? Are you mad or are you joking?

Wait, did you mean to say that you don't need to know anything beyond dirt and gravel to know that Donald Trump isn't anywhere near as successful as he is?

I get it. Lot's of people wish they were him.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
24-09-2019 20:20
HarveyH55
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I heard a few clips from the UN meetings. The climate change thing was more like a soap opera. Still don't understand how a child rates floor time. Pretty sure that act is going to get old quick, spoiled rotten, little too much drama. Got the impression that many of those countries think America should be picking up the tab, for the planet saving efforts. Maybe they'll think about it a little more seriously, if they have to pay their own bills.
24-09-2019 20:27
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote: I heard a few clips from the UN meetings. The climate change thing was more like a soap opera. Still don't understand how a child rates floor time. Pretty sure that act is going to get old quick, spoiled rotten, little too much drama. Got the impression that many of those countries think America should be picking up the tab, for the planet saving efforts. Maybe they'll think about it a little more seriously, if they have to pay their own bills.


Harvey, just think fund-raising. Bill Gates gets hit up by everyone asking for money. The United States gets hit up by the UN and every country asking for money.

The sales pitches and the guilt trips are always the same.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
24-09-2019 20:47
HarveyH55
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Why hit us up for money, we are $22 trillion in debt, mostly from the last president. Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to borrow money, just to give away. Maybe when AOC gets elected...

Can't believe the desperation of the democrats... Heard some strong words about impeachment. Yet, they haven't even seen the whistle-blower complaint (officially). No one, has come forward, who actually was listening in, either. The story, seem the unknown But, whistle-blower, heard about the phone call, from somebody else. But how would anyone know, since none of it as actually been sent to congress, who are threaten subpoenas to get that information. I know that Capital Hill has some plumbing problems, and hopefully Trump does something about it. Is nothing kept confidential anymore? There really needs to be some investigations, it's national security.
25-09-2019 06:22
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Into the Night wrote:
No experience overseas??? Do you realize how many Trump properties are overseas???

Ja. Experience golfing at St. Andrews. While the Scots were pissed at him. I've had a bellyfull of Trump by now.
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25-09-2019 06:43
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IBdaMann wrote:
I get it. Lot's of people wish they were him.

I sure don't. Can't imagine why anyone would want to spend their life litigating against clients they've gypped. Not that Hillary was much better; she's as phony as a $6 million IOU from Lee Majors, helping sell off US uranium assets—to Russia, and then talking about Trump colluding with Russians. Worst election I've ever seen. Next one's unpromising as well, a Democrat running on race & gender who will give us four more years of Trump.
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25-09-2019 10:06
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Into the Night wrote:
So who has Trump pissed off? Are you actually going to defend dictators and oppressive regimes around the world?
Whaa??? Like Putin? Duterte? Erdogan? bin Salman? Mussolini?

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I know Putin is loving every bit of this.
What's he got to do with anything?
Ask a Ukranian.

HarveyH55 wrote:
WWIII? That takes an act of provocation.
So don't worry about it? Really?

Good will and friendship will always be important ways to not get killed.

VernerHornung wrote:Bert the Turtle with "Duck and Cover" by just a couple years. The school district had stopped the drills on account of kids coming home scared,
I think those are one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen animated.
VernerHornung wrote:I don't like the way the left bashes him on race and gender nonstop.
Trump's incredible in the worst way. His first campaign add called for a ban on Muslim's coming into the country. So I don't agree at all. He is nonstop.
VernerHornung wrote:Scaramucci can't last two weeks
It's that Tillerson didn't last I find most noteworthy. Trump masquerades as the business tycoon and Tillerson called him an F'ing moron. I think that's the simple truth. He's just half crazy and half stupid. But what I don't think people get is that when there are crying mexicans, or a crying Iranian cab driver who's wife can't get back into the country, or angry leftists in Europe, these are not accidents, this is pay dirt for his base. They love every sadistic minute of it. He's not offensive on accident.

Into the Night wrote:
No experience overseas??? Do you realize how many Trump properties are overseas???
This is up there with Sarah Palin saying she can see Russia
IBdaMann wrote:Lot's of people wish they were him.
Can I just have the part where where he "was a millionaire by age 8", and that he had received at least $413 million (adjusted for inflation) from his father's business empire over his lifetime? Wow you have to be so awesome for that to happen to you. Oh wait, no, you just have to be born into it. Do you admire Paris Hilton too? They have so much in common.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Why hit us up for money, we are $22 trillion in debt, mostly from the last president. Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to borrow money,...
So presidents only sign the budget and with a full republican control, yes he is:
(in Feb):Since President Donald Trump took office, the US has added over $2 trillion in new federal debt.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them
25-09-2019 19:29
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:Lot's of people wish they were him.
Can I just have the part where where he "was a millionaire by age 8", and that he had received at least $413 million (adjusted for inflation) from his father's business empire over his lifetime?

You can have whatever you want ... for which you are willing to add value in order to achieve.

Basic economics.

You can pass whatever you wish to your children who, coincidentally, have to be born into being your children. You get how that works, right?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
25-09-2019 19:42
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
No experience overseas??? Do you realize how many Trump properties are overseas???

Ja. Experience golfing at St. Andrews. While the Scots were pissed at him. I've had a bellyfull of Trump by now.
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Bigotry. You don't get to speak for all the Scots. You only get to speak for you.


The Parrot Killer
25-09-2019 21:44
HarveyH55
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An interesting video clip (22 seconds), of Trump, almost meeting Greta. Sort of looks like they where going to ambush him, as he arrived. Her glare is pure evil, almost see daggers shooting out. The comments and the delusional interpretations are amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRSuZM2Znpg

Then, there was the climatology spin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4hXzw2OnnE

If you watched the first clip, you'd know there was only a split second chance Trump might have caught sight of her, before the reporters swarmed. There really was much of a chance he even saw her, yet the lefties, had a lot to say about how badly Trump did... Great example of fake news.

I just downloaded the Ukraine Call transcript, and it's exactly how Trump described it. They really didn't talk money at all, they did sort of, but it was mostly about how their EU partners are doing much to help, and how great America is for all they've been doing for the Ukraine. No pressure, no reluctance to look into the Biden thing, a shared interest in uncovering corruption. Really interested in seeing the complaint. Got a hunch that won't be public though, and the democrats will fight releasing it. There is nothing in the call to get upset over, certainly not grounds for impeachment. I think this one is going to turn out really bad for the democrats, maybe lose the House on this one, and no hope with the senate. Of course, democrats have no sense of shame, and will just shrug it off. There might be enough voters, who might not care to admit their affiliation for a while though...
25-09-2019 21:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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VernerHornung wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
I get it. Lot's of people wish they were him.

I sure don't. Can't imagine why anyone would want to spend their life litigating against clients they've gypped. Not that Hillary was much better; she's as phony as a $6 million IOU from Lee Majors, helping sell off US uranium assets—to Russia, and then talking about Trump colluding with Russians. Worst election I've ever seen. Next one's unpromising as well, a Democrat running on race & gender who will give us four more years of Trump.
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Void argument fallacy. Be specific.


The Parrot Killer
25-09-2019 22:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
So who has Trump pissed off? Are you actually going to defend dictators and oppressive regimes around the world?
Whaa??? Like Putin? Duterte? Erdogan? bin Salman? Mussolini?

Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I know Putin is loving every bit of this.
What's he got to do with anything?
Ask a Ukranian.

What's anyone in the Ukraine got do with this?

tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
WWIII? That takes an act of provocation.
So don't worry about it? Really?

Good will and friendship will always be important ways to not get killed.

I'll be sure to extend my hand in good will and friendship to the guy that's going to shoot me.
tmiddles wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:Bert the Turtle with "Duck and Cover" by just a couple years. The school district had stopped the drills on account of kids coming home scared,
I think those are one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen animated.

I think these are one of the funniest animations at the time. I thought so when I saw them in school too. It was corny as hell.
tmiddles wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:I don't like the way the left bashes him on race and gender nonstop.
Trump's incredible in the worst way. His first campaign add called for a ban on Muslim's coming into the country. So I don't agree at all. He is nonstop.
Contextomy fallacy. Repetitious lie.

tmiddles wrote:
[quote]VernerHornung wrote:Scaramucci can't last two weeks
It's that Tillerson didn't last I find most noteworthy. Trump masquerades as the business tycoon and Tillerson called him an F'ing moron. I think that's the simple truth. He's just half crazy and half stupid.

He's a successful real estate developer. He also managed to get elected as President of the United States. That's the simple truth.
tmiddles wrote:
But what I don't think people get is that when there are crying mexicans, or a crying Iranian cab driver who's wife can't get back into the country, or angry leftists in Europe, these are not accidents, this is pay dirt for his base. They love every sadistic minute of it. He's not offensive on accident.

Contextomy fallacy. Bigotry. Racism. Repetitious lies.
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
No experience overseas??? Do you realize how many Trump properties are overseas???
This is up there with Sarah Palin saying she can see Russia

What has Sarah Palin got to do with how many properties Trump has or where they are located?

BTW, you CAN see Russia from Alaska. A village on an island in Alaska is just two miles away from an island that is part of Russia. They get to see Russia from Alaska regularly.

tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:Lot's of people wish they were him.
Can I just have the part where where he "was a millionaire by age 8", and that he had received at least $413 million (adjusted for inflation) from his father's business empire over his lifetime? Wow you have to be so awesome for that to happen to you. Oh wait, no, you just have to be born into it. Do you admire Paris Hilton too? They have so much in common.
I get it. You wish you were Trump.

tmiddles wrote:
[quote]HarveyH55 wrote:
Why hit us up for money, we are $22 trillion in debt, mostly from the last president. Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to borrow money,...
So presidents only sign the budget and with a full republican control, yes he is:
(in Feb):Since President Donald Trump took office, the US has added over $2 trillion in new federal debt.


No, the House creates the budget, dumbass. THEY are the ones responsible for adding any new debt.


The Parrot Killer
25-09-2019 22:32
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tmiddles wrote:...a millionaire by age 8", and that he had received at least $413 million...

You can have whatever you want ... .Basic economics.[/quote] Uh, no. Don't get me wrong I was badass at 8yo, but no, that is a stupid thing to say.
VernerHornung wrote:..While the Scots were pissed at him.

Bigotry. You don't get to speak for all the Scots. ...[/quote] I know you wanted this to be a no-true-scottsman fallacy. I get to speak for all scots by the way.
Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I know Putin is loving every bit of this.
Into the Night wrote:What's he got to do with anything?
Ask a Ukranian.
What's anyone in the Ukraine got do with this?


Don't worry Trump loves him so he's no threat.
Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote: So presidents only sign the budget a

No, the House creates the budget,
Am I tutoring you?

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them[/quote]
25-09-2019 22:50
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
tmiddles wrote:...a millionaire by age 8", and that he had received at least $413 million...

You can have whatever you want ... .Basic economics.
Uh, no. Don't get me wrong I was badass at 8yo, but no, that is a stupid thing to say.
VernerHornung wrote:..While the Scots were pissed at him.

Bigotry. You don't get to speak for all the Scots. ...[/quote] I know you wanted this to be a no-true-scottsman fallacy. I get to speak for all scots by the way.
Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
I know Putin is loving every bit of this.
Into the Night wrote:What's he got to do with anything?
Ask a Ukranian.
What's anyone in the Ukraine got do with this?


Don't worry Trump loves him so he's no threat.
Into the Night wrote:
tmiddles wrote: So presidents only sign the budget a

No, the House creates the budget,
Am I tutoring you?

[/quote]

No, you are trolling.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 25-09-2019 22:50
28-09-2019 23:34
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tmiddles wrote:
Don't worry Trump loves him so he's no threat.

Nothing comes from Russia with love, dearie. Rather, this is Natalia Veselnitskaya's June 2016 visit to Trump Tower all over again.

Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
...
Come and keep your comrade warm
The Beatles

Yup. Trump's back in the USSR for some "opposition research." And what is it with the Vladimirs? We've never had a president named Mike, but over there we've got Vladimir Lenin, Vladimir Putin, and Volodymyr Zelensky, three namesakes in a century. CNN and NPR are all over the impeachment thing again, but this isn't 1973 with Judge Sirica anymore, and we won't have a Watergate.


Never try to solve an NP-complete problem on your own with pencil & paper.
29-09-2019 07:54
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VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Don't worry Trump loves him so he's no threat.
...we won't have a Watergate.
I wouldn't put any level of mismanagement past TRUMP.

There also has to be a limit to how humiliating anyone's job can be. Can you imaging being on cleanup detail for this guy?

The Mueller report was completed on April 18, 2019
The most news worthy topic of which was the Trump tower meeting and the issue of working with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent.
Trump then holds back $250 million in security assistance for Ukraine and calls up their president saying: "the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal" and asks him a favor, to get dirt on Biden.

He's just incredibly stupid! It's truly amazing.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them
29-09-2019 09:00
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tmiddles wrote:
The Mueller report was completed on April 18, 2019. The most news worthy topic of which was the Trump tower meeting and the issue of working with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent.


It was, but it wasn't the first time a candidate's sought campaign info from abroad. "Collusion" is the wrong word for what Trump did anyway. He doesn't love Putin; he loves the money Russian bankers close to Putin have. When the Natalia news broke, I never believed the Trumps or Jared Kushner or Paul Manafort had ever helped Russian intel (Guccifer 2.0, Fancy Bear, etc.) break into Podesta's emails or hack voter registration systems; they didn't know about it since the Russians wouldn't have told a wannabe prez any of their state secrets.

But I'm sure Trump was willing to pay. If Natalia delivered, which we're told she failed to do. Meanwhile, the lady's wanted by the FBI and eight of Trump's former campaign or White House staffers are now convicts, some in prison. That beats Nixon's gang hands down.

It's kind of sad, as I actually agree with Trump on the need to stop illegal immigration and stand up to China. Trump's running the Oval Office the way he ran his campaign, with a loud mouth creating unnecessary resentments and friction left and right. And nobody can guess what he's gonna do 20 minutes from now. Meeting with Taliban; nope, cancelled; talks with North Korea; nope, cancelled; deal with China; nope.... The next prez will inherit the fallout.
~



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29-09-2019 09:24
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tmiddles wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Don't worry Trump loves him so he's no threat.
...we won't have a Watergate.
I wouldn't put any level of mismanagement past TRUMP.

There also has to be a limit to how humiliating anyone's job can be. Can you imaging being on cleanup detail for this guy?

The Mueller report was completed on April 18, 2019
The most news worthy topic of which was the Trump tower meeting and the issue of working with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent.
Trump then holds back $250 million in security assistance for Ukraine and calls up their president saying: "the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal" and asks him a favor, to get dirt on Biden.

He's just incredibly stupid! It's truly amazing.


RDCF


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29-09-2019 09:26
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VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
The Mueller report was completed on April 18, 2019. The most news worthy topic of which was the Trump tower meeting and the issue of working with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent.


It was, but it wasn't the first time a candidate's sought campaign info from abroad. "Collusion" is the wrong word for what Trump did anyway. He doesn't love Putin; he loves the money Russian bankers close to Putin have. When the Natalia news broke, I never believed the Trumps or Jared Kushner or Paul Manafort had ever helped Russian intel (Guccifer 2.0, Fancy Bear, etc.) break into Podesta's emails or hack voter registration systems; they didn't know about it since the Russians wouldn't have told a wannabe prez any of their state secrets.

But I'm sure Trump was willing to pay. If Natalia delivered, which we're told she failed to do. Meanwhile, the lady's wanted by the FBI and eight of Trump's former campaign or White House staffers are now convicts, some in prison. That beats Nixon's gang hands down.

It's kind of sad, as I actually agree with Trump on the need to stop illegal immigration and stand up to China. Trump's running the Oval Office the way he ran his campaign, with a loud mouth creating unnecessary resentments and friction left and right. And nobody can guess what he's gonna do 20 minutes from now. Meeting with Taliban; nope, cancelled; talks with North Korea; nope, cancelled; deal with China; nope.... The next prez will inherit the fallout.
~


He doesn't need the money, dumbass.


The Parrot Killer
29-09-2019 09:40
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VernerHornung wrote:He doesn't love Putin
No he really does. Just thinks he's great. Remember his defense of Putin to Bill Oreilly? Threw his own country under the bus: https://digg.com/video/donald-trump-bill-o-reilly-fox-news-putin-russia-killer
Oreilly: Putin's a Killer
Trump: There are a lot of killers, you think our county is so innocent?

VernerHornung wrote:"Collusion" is the wrong word for what Trump did anyway.
This time yes it is the wrong word. When you give instructions openly and directly it's not collusion. Incredibly this was done in broad daylight and can't be called a conspiracy. You could simply call it cooperation.

There is no evidence there was any coordination with Trump on the Russian illegal activity in the 2016 election, thank god. We have an investigation to thank for clearing that up.

As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath. He only cares about himself and would destroy this country in a heart beat if he stood to benefit. We knew that from the moment he said he wouldn't accept the election results if he lost.

He is scum.

And to be candid I don't agree illegal immigration is a major problem at all. I also don't think terrorism is a major problem. They are both close to trivial as threats.

Into the Night wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:...Trump ...loves the money Russian bankers close to Putin have....

He doesn't need the money, dumbass.

Hmmm, Jared Kushner's company was facing down a $1.2 billion debt. Trump hasn't release his taxes. But he pimps out his resorts to lobbyists and foreign leaders. He's gone bankrupt many times and he's a dumbass.

So I'm going to go with he wants money, generically speaking.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them
Edited on 29-09-2019 10:18
29-09-2019 16:08
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Into the Night wrote:
He doesn't need the money, dumbass.

The Trump Org does, though. American banks won't lend anymore because Mr. Trump doesn't pay his bills. He sues to get out of it instead. Some kind of game he likes to play, and people stumble over each other to fall for his con jobs. Ask the blokes who got saddled with Trump Tower Toronto condos during the fire sale of that building.

I won't go into the crotch-grabbing episode in the dressing room at the clothiers, since that story's probably false, but the fact someone was bold enough to accuse him of it shows the reputation that's opened him up to such accusations.

tmiddles wrote:
As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath. He only cares about himself and would destroy this country in a heart beat if he stood to benefit.

Oh, but they call it The Art of the Deal now.


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29-09-2019 16:28
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tmiddles wrote: I also don't think terrorism is a major problem.

Domestic Islamic terrorism isn't a major problem under Trump, thank goodness but who was President when domestic Islamic terrorism recently was a problem? I recall Omar Mateen shooting up Orlando gays for Allah despite having been specifically on an FBI terrorism watch list, ... and a Boston bombing occurring sometime in 2013, if memory serves. Ft Hood in 2009. Several others.

Who was the President then and what did Trump do to successfully put the kibosh on the problem?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
29-09-2019 18:57
HarveyH55
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tmiddles wrote: And to be candid I don't agree illegal immigration is a major problem at all. I also don't think terrorism is a major problem. They are both close to trivial as threats.


Really? Take the blinders off. Even the House democrats agreed last spring, that there was an illegal immigration problem. Mexico has never denied the problem, just really didn't care, less people staying in their country, and it tends to bring in some cash. Most of those illegal immigrants are from other countries anyway, just passing through Mexico. It's not a few individuals, it's been a pretty steady 50,000-100,000, per month. That's just the ones getting caught. The ones that make it, use the free services, we pay taxes to provide for the poor and the homeless, but they never pay taxes. Another drain on our economy, is that they send a good portion of their wages to family and relatives, outside the country, some make the same trip, to illegally come here as well. Many pay thousands of dollars, to be smuggled over the border, a criminal act, call human trafficking. Not all of them survive, semi-trailer packed full, sometimes breakdown and are abandoned by the driver, sometimes leaving their cargo locked in, to bake. Maybe you don't think these things are problems, but you aren't looking at them either. It may not be a problem, that effects you personally, doesn't mean it's not a problem.
29-09-2019 19:11
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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VernerHornung wrote: American banks won't lend anymore because Mr. Trump doesn't pay his bills.

... either that or American banks will give Trump all the financing he wants.

Hmmm, I wonder which is the case ...

VernerHornung wrote: He sues to get out of it instead.

Banks get sued a lot and investigated a lot for banking violations. After they get sued, they continue doing business, even with those who sued them and won.


VernerHornung wrote:... since that story's probably false, but the fact someone was bold enough to accuse him of it shows the reputation that's opened him up to such accusations.

Hey genius, it means that liars are bold enough to lie. That's what liars do when they are bold enough to tell a story that is false.

tmiddles wrote: As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath.

You're projecting again.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
29-09-2019 19:41
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:He doesn't love Putin
No he really does. Just thinks he's great. Remember his defense of Putin to Bill Oreilly? Threw his own country under the bus: https://digg.com/video/donald-trump-bill-o-reilly-fox-news-putin-russia-killer
Oreilly: Putin's a Killer
Trump: There are a lot of killers, you think our county is so innocent?

VernerHornung wrote:"Collusion" is the wrong word for what Trump did anyway.
This time yes it is the wrong word. When you give instructions openly and directly it's not collusion. Incredibly this was done in broad daylight and can't be called a conspiracy. You could simply call it cooperation.

There is no evidence there was any coordination with Trump on the Russian illegal activity in the 2016 election, thank god. We have an investigation to thank for clearing that up.

As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath. He only cares about himself and would destroy this country in a heart beat if he stood to benefit. We knew that from the moment he said he wouldn't accept the election results if he lost.

He is scum.

And to be candid I don't agree illegal immigration is a major problem at all. I also don't think terrorism is a major problem. They are both close to trivial as threats.

Into the Night wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:...Trump ...loves the money Russian bankers close to Putin have....

He doesn't need the money, dumbass.

Hmmm, Jared Kushner's company was facing down a $1.2 billion debt. Trump hasn't release his taxes. But he pimps out his resorts to lobbyists and foreign leaders. He's gone bankrupt many times and he's a dumbass.

So I'm going to go with he wants money, generically speaking.


More of your usual distortions and contextomy fallacies.

Trump has never gone bankrupt. Some of his investments have, which are normal in real estate investments, but Trump has never gone bankrupt.

He doesn't need to release his taxes anymore than you do.

Ya gotta stop believing in the fake news.


The Parrot Killer
29-09-2019 19:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
He doesn't need the money, dumbass.

The Trump Org does, though.

Nope. It doesn't either.
VernerHornung wrote:
American banks won't lend anymore

Sure they will.
VernerHornung wrote:
because Mr. Trump doesn't pay his bills.

Yes he does.
VernerHornung wrote:
He sues to get out of it instead.

Obviously not, since you can't get out of a paying a bill that way.
VernerHornung wrote:
Some kind of game he likes to play, and people stumble over each other to fall for his con jobs. Ask the blokes who got saddled with Trump Tower Toronto condos during the fire sale of that building.

They were paying Trump, not the other way around.
VernerHornung wrote:
I won't go into the crotch-grabbing episode in the dressing room at the clothiers, since that story's probably false, but the fact someone was bold enough to accuse him of it shows the reputation that's opened him up to such accusations.

So you believe one bit of fake news but not the other, eh?
VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath.

Buzzword fallacy. Insult fallacy.
VernerHornung wrote:
He only cares about himself and would destroy this country in a heart beat if he stood to benefit.

Obviously a lie.
Oh, but they call it The Art of the Deal now.

You might actually read that book. You just MIGHT learn something about the guy.


The Parrot Killer
29-09-2019 21:04
HarveyH55
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The 'short list', would be large companies that never filed for bankruptcy. It's not always about being crushed by debt. Often, it's restructuring the company, and repayment of debt. The money owed, is still repaid, in full, just the terms of the loan are changed. There are a lot of different types of bankruptcy, most of which only apply to businesses. Most don't forgive, or reduce debt. I think there is only one, that individuals can use to eliminate all debt, and that involves selling off most all their property and assets, dividing the proceeds among creditors, seldom goes to that extreme though. Lot of people use the laws to increase profits, reduce expense. The tax code gets played the same way. Most laws are based on people having the morals and ethics, not to abuse their protections and options, a weakness often exploited.

Releasing tax records are only a voluntary tradition, it's not the law. Most individuals don't share that information, it's person, private. It's not because they did anything wrong, or have anything to hide. Trump knows that every line on his forms, would be made public, and careful parsed a checked, for anything that could be politically misrepresented. Though there is nothing illegal, there is probably a ton of ethical questions, a goldmine there. I'm fairly certain that proper use of the tax code, can really save a rich guy, a whole lot of money. That's a secret worth keeping, and a lot of people use those same secrets. I'm highly doubtful there is anything illegal in Trump's taxes, or financials. He's been under the microscope for a long time, even before politics.
29-09-2019 22:08
James___
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VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
He doesn't need the money, dumbass.

The Trump Org does, though. American banks won't lend anymore because Mr. Trump doesn't pay his bills. He sues to get out of it instead. Some kind of game he likes to play, and people stumble over each other to fall for his con jobs. Ask the blokes who got saddled with Trump Tower Toronto condos during the fire sale of that building.

I won't go into the crotch-grabbing episode in the dressing room at the clothiers, since that story's probably false, but the fact someone was bold enough to accuse him of it shows the reputation that's opened him up to such accusations.

tmiddles wrote:
As for his conduct he's just an F'ing moron and a psychopath. He only cares about himself and would destroy this country in a heart beat if he stood to benefit.

Oh, but they call it The Art of the Deal now.


There's still this from before he was elected. Even Republicans condemned what he bragged about. Could be why so many leaks coming from the White House.
It is an interesting read which quotes some powerful Republicans.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/donald-trump-leaked-recording-women
29-09-2019 22:22
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: There's still this from before he was elected.

... yet Donald Trump was elected as though it were a nothing-burger. That's because to any reasonable person, it is a nothing burger.

If you were to ask any rock star his opinion about ability to get groupies, what would you expect the response to be?

If you were to ask any insanely rich dude how tough it is for him to get a date, what do you think the response will be?


... so how is Trump supposed to be different? Please, I'd like to know.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
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