The Atmosphere and Heat

gfm7175 wrote:

James___ wrote:
For the Good Christian gfm (am being an a$$hole here),

Thank you kindly.

James___ wrote:
Jesus was in the ground for 3 days while Easter is observed on the 3rd day when he rose. Yet he said he would be in the ground for 3 days.

This is an interesting one indeed, as Matthew 12:40 states: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Is this passage referring to three literal days and three literal nights, to where a Friday crucifixion and a prior-to-Sunday-morning rising from the dead doesn't make logical sense?

Is this passage referring to some sort of idiom (such as "raining cats and dogs") to where a Friday crucifixion and a prior-to-Sunday-morning rising from the dead would still make sense under whatever the "three days and three nights" language means? (as idioms do not translate)


Then, there's also the issue of ancient time keeping/calendars/etc compared to how we keep time and calendars today...

A person from today would think the following, assuming a Friday crucifixion:

Day 1: Friday morning/evening
Night 1: Friday night into Saturday morning
Day 2: Saturday morning/evening
Night 2: Saturday night into Sunday morning
Day 3: Sunday morning/evening
Night 3: ??? But, but Jesus already rose prior to sometime Sunday MORNING according to the gospels!! ???

But, there's also theories that Jesus was actually crucified on a Wednesday, and apparently Jewish calendars of the time considered their "days" to be from sundown until sundown (or 6:00pm until 5:59pm, for example) instead of 12:00am until 11:59pm, as we currently do today, so assuming a Wednesday crucifixion and this Jewish sense of a "day" (even the language in the Genesis creation account mentions "and the evening and morning were the ____ day..." instead of "...morning and evening were..."):

Day 1: Thursday (or how we think of it, after 6pm Wednesday evening and into Thursday)
Day 2: Friday (or how we think of it, after 6pm Thursday evening and into Friday)
Day 3: Saturday (or how we think of it, after 6pm Friday evening and into Saturday)
Night 3: approaching Sunday morning (or how we think of it, Saturday up until 6pm)
AFTER the 3 days and 3 nights: early Sunday morning (or how we think of it, Saturday night after 6pm and before sunrise Sunday morning.

Under the confines of this particular understanding of what is considered to be "days and nights", this would fit the "three days and three nights" language of Matthew 12:40 in a literal sense. The problem is, if time keeping and calendar keeping was done differently 2,000 years ago than it is done today, and if different words/phrases/slang/etc were used 2,000 years ago than are used today, then it's not always the easiest thing in the world to make perfect sense out of such minutiae.

This sort of thing is also the problem with accurately understanding every single minutiae within the book of Revelation... For instance, how would a person from 2,000 years ago describe an airplane from today while using 2,000-year-ago lexicon? Would it be called a "massive bird"? How about an atomic bomb? How about a computer, or the internet? Under today's language, the words "massive bird" to me would maybe mean an ostrich, or if the bird was way up high in the air, then maybe it would mean an albatross or a pelican. I definitely wouldn't be thinking of what we would consider to be an airplane. Maybe one would try to use a word to describe the hardness of the material that the "massive bird" is made out of?

Anyway, I personally wouldn't get too lost in the minutiae (which might not translate the best into today's English and today's "methods") and would instead find the important part of this particular account to be the fact that (according to The Bible) Jesus was indeed crucified, indeed died, and indeed rose from the dead (just as he said would happen), since the absence of Jesus' body from the tomb (even though it was heavily guarded lest Jesus' disciples were to steal the body from the tomb) was personally witnessed by those who approached it after the stone was rolled away early in the morning on the first day of the week.

gfm7175 wrote:

Swan wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
I realize that is what your mind masters tell you to say...

Did your mother spank you often

Did yours?

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL not all energy is measured in joules

LOL LOL No energy is measured in watts. Yawn.

Sheesh Yawn

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Duh there are many kinds of energy, and many kinds of scales.....

The energy of your working brain is measured in poor decisions

Energy is measured in joules. That is the SI unit of energy.

duncan61 wrote:
Can I have a bag of Kilograms please.A bottle of Octane will do

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:My microwave oven is rated @ 1100 j/s.

Energy is Energy.

Power is Energy / Time.

Your microwave has a power rating, not an energy rating. Notice the "/s" that gives it away.

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duncan61 wrote: I always do what the voices in my head tell me to do

duncan61 wrote:I was mind fukked by a goldfish once.I stared at it too long and this is what I looked like when people found me

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
A person from today would think the following, assuming a Friday crucifixion:

Day 1: Friday morning/evening
Night 1: Friday night into Saturday morning
Day 2: Saturday morning/evening
Night 2: Saturday night into Sunday morning
Day 3: Sunday morning/evening
Night 3: ??? But, but Jesus already rose prior to sometime Sunday MORNING according to the gospels!! ???

Gawd. The way we keep time is insane!

The time it takes Earth to make one complete revolution (sidereal time) is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds. Against our view of the sun as we move in orbit, we call this 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds, but this varies somewhat since Earth's spin is not a constant rotational speed! It varies throughout the year ever so slightly. So the length of day is....AHHHHHHH!

The Moon orbits the Earth every 27 days, 7 hours 43 minutes (this too varies slightly). This does not fit into an even number of days. Our months can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days long, meaning the Moon does not match the length of any month, yet Easter and is the first Sunday of the month after the first full moon after the sprint equinox and.....AHHHHHHHH!

The Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 9 seconds which means we have to ADD an extra day to compensate every four years, which over compensates, so we have to NOT add a day every 400 years, which under compensates, so we have to add a second to the year, which over compensates, which....AHHHHHHHH!

Even timezones are insane. Different governments change between daylight savings time and standard time at different times of the year, if they change at all, which means you sometimes can't even tell what timezone some is in at the moment. As governments change, these dates change effectively on a whim...which...AHHHHHHH!

The beginning of the year is different too. Some people use Jan 1st. Others, use Feb 12th (at least this year), others use the friggen' Moon again, others use March 1st, others use April 1st, while others use....AHHHHHHHHH!

When some schmuck of a programmer tries to write code to handle time and calendars, this is what they face! AHHHHHHH!

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
A person from today would think the following, assuming a Friday crucifixion:

Day 1: Friday morning/evening
Night 1: Friday night into Saturday morning
Day 2: Saturday morning/evening
Night 2: Saturday night into Sunday morning
Day 3: Sunday morning/evening
Night 3: ??? But, but Jesus already rose prior to sometime Sunday MORNING according to the gospels!! ???

Gawd. The way we keep time is insane!

The time it takes Earth to make one complete revolution (sidereal time) is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds. Against our view of the sun as we move in orbit, we call this 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds, but this varies somewhat since Earth's spin is not a constant rotational speed! It varies throughout the year ever so slightly. So the length of day is....AHHHHHHH!

The Moon orbits the Earth every 27 days, 7 hours 43 minutes (this too varies slightly). This does not fit into an even number of days. Our months can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days long, meaning the Moon does not match the length of any month, yet Easter and is the first Sunday of the month after the first full moon after the sprint equinox and.....AHHHHHHHH!

The Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 9 seconds which means we have to ADD an extra day to compensate every four years, which over compensates, so we have to NOT add a day every 400 years, which under compensates, so we have to add a second to the year, which over compensates, which....AHHHHHHHH!

Even timezones are insane. Different governments change between daylight savings time and standard time at different times of the year, if they change at all, which means you sometimes can't even tell what timezone some is in at the moment. As governments change, these dates change effectively on a whim...which...AHHHHHHH!

The beginning of the year is different too. Some people use Jan 1st. Others, use Feb 12th (at least this year), others use the friggen' Moon again, others use March 1st, others use April 1st, while others use....AHHHHHHHHH!

When some schmuck of a programmer tries to write code to handle time and calendars, this is what they face! AHHHHHHH!

Indeed. That's a very good synopsis of present day time keeping in a general sense. It is VERY involved, isn't it?

Now, since the gospels were presumably written some almost 2,000-ish years ago, we'd have to understand how time was kept back then (in the specific area of the world that the gospel writers were from). Obviously, people from those days didn't have digital watches, atomic clocks, programmed computers, and other sorts of technologies used for time keeping. They also did not know that Earth fully revolves every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds...

So how did they keep time back then? Without our modern technologies, they wouldn't be able to be nearly as technical and mechanical about it as we are today (and even today there are many issues with time keeping, as you pointed out). My presumption is that people would have been much more visual about it rather than mechanical, which would have issues of its own.

We know that the sun governs the day, and the moon governs the night, so in a purely visual sense (and in the manner that we would consider a "day" today), sunrise until sunset would be "day time" and sunset until the next sunrise would be "night time". However, like I got into in my other post, maybe the system in Jesus' area at Jesus' time didn't comprehend a "day" in that same way... Maybe they considered a sunset to be the beginning of a new day rather than a sunrise? Sounds weird to consider the beginning of a new day as "bedtime", doesn't it?

Yet, in our present day mechanically minded world, which is different from even those two options, we consider 12:00am to be the start of a new day.

And that's just keeping track of what would be considered to be a "day". What about months? Well, one could look to the moon (and the various moon phases) for that. A very thin sliver of a new moon could be a new month. What about years? Well, one would have to look to the rise and fall of the sun over the horizon for that (and the four seasons, iow the solstices and equinoxes).

They would obviously have to adjust their calendars somehow, as we STILL do today, because there would be discrepancies between a "solar year" and a "lunar year" (between months and seasons)... So maybe wait until the difference was about a month apart and add in an extra month?

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! ... don't you just enjoy the complexities of time keeping?

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
A person from today would think the following, assuming a Friday crucifixion:

Day 1: Friday morning/evening
Night 1: Friday night into Saturday morning
Day 2: Saturday morning/evening
Night 2: Saturday night into Sunday morning
Day 3: Sunday morning/evening
Night 3: ??? But, but Jesus already rose prior to sometime Sunday MORNING according to the gospels!! ???

Gawd. The way we keep time is insane!

The time it takes Earth to make one complete revolution (sidereal time) is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds. Against our view of the sun as we move in orbit, we call this 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds, but this varies somewhat since Earth's spin is not a constant rotational speed! It varies throughout the year ever so slightly. So the length of day is....AHHHHHHH!

The Moon orbits the Earth every 27 days, 7 hours 43 minutes (this too varies slightly). This does not fit into an even number of days. Our months can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days long, meaning the Moon does not match the length of any month, yet Easter and is the first Sunday of the month after the first full moon after the sprint equinox and.....AHHHHHHHH!

The Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 9 seconds which means we have to ADD an extra day to compensate every four years, which over compensates, so we have to NOT add a day every 400 years, which under compensates, so we have to add a second to the year, which over compensates, which....AHHHHHHHH!

Even timezones are insane. Different governments change between daylight savings time and standard time at different times of the year, if they change at all, which means you sometimes can't even tell what timezone some is in at the moment. As governments change, these dates change effectively on a whim...which...AHHHHHHH!

The beginning of the year is different too. Some people use Jan 1st. Others, use Feb 12th (at least this year), others use the friggen' Moon again, others use March 1st, others use April 1st, while others use....AHHHHHHHHH!

When some schmuck of a programmer tries to write code to handle time and calendars, this is what they face! AHHHHHHH!

Indeed. That's a very good synopsis of present day time keeping in a general sense. It is VERY involved, isn't it?

Now, since the gospels were presumably written some almost 2,000-ish years ago, we'd have to understand how time was kept back then (in the specific area of the world that the gospel writers were from). Obviously, people from those days didn't have digital watches, atomic clocks, programmed computers, and other sorts of technologies used for time keeping. They also did not know that Earth fully revolves every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds...

So how did they keep time back then? Without our modern technologies, they wouldn't be able to be nearly as technical and mechanical about it as we are today (and even today there are many issues with time keeping, as you pointed out). My presumption is that people would have been much more visual about it rather than mechanical, which would have issues of its own.

We know that the sun governs the day, and the moon governs the night, so in a purely visual sense (and in the manner that we would consider a "day" today), sunrise until sunset would be "day time" and sunset until the next sunrise would be "night time". However, like I got into in my other post, maybe the system in Jesus' area at Jesus' time didn't comprehend a "day" in that same way... Maybe they considered a sunset to be the beginning of a new day rather than a sunrise? Sounds weird to consider the beginning of a new day as "bedtime", doesn't it?

Yet, in our present day mechanically minded world, which is different from even those two options, we consider 12:00am to be the start of a new day.

And that's just keeping track of what would be considered to be a "day". What about months? Well, one could look to the moon (and the various moon phases) for that. A very thin sliver of a new moon could be a new month. What about years? Well, one would have to look to the rise and fall of the sun over the horizon for that (and the four seasons, iow the solstices and equinoxes).

They would obviously have to adjust their calendars somehow, as we STILL do today, because there would be discrepancies between a "solar year" and a "lunar year" (between months and seasons)... So maybe wait until the difference was about a month apart and add in an extra month?

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! ... don't you just enjoy the complexities of time keeping?

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
A person from today would think the following, assuming a Friday crucifixion:

Day 1: Friday morning/evening
Night 1: Friday night into Saturday morning
Day 2: Saturday morning/evening
Night 2: Saturday night into Sunday morning
Day 3: Sunday morning/evening
Night 3: ??? But, but Jesus already rose prior to sometime Sunday MORNING according to the gospels!! ???

You got that wrong ITN. The lunar calendar was a better way to know when to expect the spring floods.


Gawd. The way we keep time is insane!

The time it takes Earth to make one complete revolution (sidereal time) is 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds. Against our view of the sun as we move in orbit, we call this 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds, but this varies somewhat since Earth's spin is not a constant rotational speed! It varies throughout the year ever so slightly. So the length of day is....AHHHHHHH!

The Moon orbits the Earth every 27 days, 7 hours 43 minutes (this too varies slightly). This does not fit into an even number of days. Our months can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days long, meaning the Moon does not match the length of any month, yet Easter and is the first Sunday of the month after the first full moon after the sprint equinox and.....AHHHHHHHH!

The Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 9 seconds which means we have to ADD an extra day to compensate every four years, which over compensates, so we have to NOT add a day every 400 years, which under compensates, so we have to add a second to the year, which over compensates, which....AHHHHHHHH!

Even timezones are insane. Different governments change between daylight savings time and standard time at different times of the year, if they change at all, which means you sometimes can't even tell what timezone some is in at the moment. As governments change, these dates change effectively on a whim...which...AHHHHHHH!

The beginning of the year is different too. Some people use Jan 1st. Others, use Feb 12th (at least this year), others use the friggen' Moon again, others use March 1st, others use April 1st, while others use....AHHHHHHHHH!

When some schmuck of a programmer tries to write code to handle time and calendars, this is what they face! AHHHHHHH!

Indeed. That's a very good synopsis of present day time keeping in a general sense. It is VERY involved, isn't it?

Now, since the gospels were presumably written some almost 2,000-ish years ago, we'd have to understand how time was kept back then (in the specific area of the world that the gospel writers were from). Obviously, people from those days didn't have digital watches, atomic clocks, programmed computers, and other sorts of technologies used for time keeping. They also did not know that Earth fully revolves every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 11.2 seconds...

So how did they keep time back then? Without our modern technologies, they wouldn't be able to be nearly as technical and mechanical about it as we are today (and even today there are many issues with time keeping, as you pointed out). My presumption is that people would have been much more visual about it rather than mechanical, which would have issues of its own.

We know that the sun governs the day, and the moon governs the night, so in a purely visual sense (and in the manner that we would consider a "day" today), sunrise until sunset would be "day time" and sunset until the next sunrise would be "night time". However, like I got into in my other post, maybe the system in Jesus' area at Jesus' time didn't comprehend a "day" in that same way... Maybe they considered a sunset to be the beginning of a new day rather than a sunrise? Sounds weird to consider the beginning of a new day as "bedtime", doesn't it?

Yet, in our present day mechanically minded world, which is different from even those two options, we consider 12:00am to be the start of a new day.

And that's just keeping track of what would be considered to be a "day". What about months? Well, one could look to the moon (and the various moon phases) for that. A very thin sliver of a new moon could be a new month. What about years? Well, one would have to look to the rise and fall of the sun over the horizon for that (and the four seasons, iow the solstices and equinoxes).

They would obviously have to adjust their calendars somehow, as we STILL do today, because there would be discrepancies between a "solar year" and a "lunar year" (between months and seasons)... So maybe wait until the difference was about a month apart and add in an extra month?

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!! ... don't you just enjoy the complexities of time keeping?

Farmers would use the equinox to time planting their crops. The plants themselves would indicate when it's time to harvest. In Egypt, the local priests marked the level of the Nile as it rose and fell throughout the season, then used their experience to predict the flooding stages and when they would happen. Like predicting the weather, they often got it wrong, but being priests, would simply blame that on the Gods. The local farmers listened tot hem though, because they got it reasonably right more often than wrong.

It was religion that gave us the mania for keeping precise time (Thanks, ye Gods!).

Some of the Oort Cloud comets are often big, between 10 and 37 miles across. And, Siraj noticed, when such large chunks of rock pass close enough to the sun, its massive gravitational forces can tear the rocks into smaller chunks.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/astrophysicists-chart-source-asteroid-killed-dinosaurs-180977019/