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09-02-2021 23:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:


Heat is the flow of thermal energy.



Since KE = 3/2kT , any decrease in T shows that heat is energy. And that it's energy is directly related to the loss of KE in a mol of ideal gas.



To be technical, if the temperature drops 1kelvin (a kelvin = 1º C.) then the heat emitted has the equivalent value of KE = 3/2k1.
And that value is 2.0709678×10²³ joules/kelvin. As you can clearly see, heat as in 1 kelvin or 1º C. has a specific value of energy relative to Boltzmann's ideal gas law. Just trying to be a good Christian and help my brother.

Heat has no temperature.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
09-02-2021 23:46
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Heat is the flow of thermal energy.
Since KE = 3/2kT , any decrease in T shows that heat is energy.

Nope. It shows that heat caused the decrease in temperature, much in the same way that electrical current causes a decrease in the quantity of electrons.

James___ wrote: To be technical, if the temperature drops 1kelvin (a kelvin = 1º C.) then the heat emitted has the equivalent value of KE = 3/2k1.

Heat is not "emitted" because "emitting" is not something that heat does. Heat is a flow of thermal energy. Electromagnetic energy emits and radiates, yes, but a flow of thermal energy simply "happens."

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-02-2021 23:53
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan cited an erroneous source because he didn't know any better: Heat is a form of energy that can be transferred from one object to another or even created at the expense of the loss of other forms of energy. To review, temperature is a measure of the ability of a substance, or more generally of any physical system, to transfer heat energy to another physical system.

Everyday Examples of Heat Energy
There are three basic ways to transfer heat energy: convection, conduction, and radiation. Convection transfers heat energy through gases or liquids. Conduction transfers heat energy from one solid to another. Radiation transfers heat in the form of waves or particles through places where there are no molecules. It is a form of electromagnetic energy. Here are some common examples of heat energy.

The biggest example of heat energy in our solar system is the sun itself. The sun radiates heat to warm us up on the planet earth.
When the burner of a stovetop is very hot, it is a source of heat energy. Anything placed onto the stovetop and warmed, whether a pot of tea or a skillet for frying eggs, also become sources of heat energy.
Automobile fuels such as gasoline are sources of heat energy, as is the hot engine of a racecar or a school bus.
A toaster is turned on and turns a piece of bread into a piece of toast. This is due to the radiant heat energy of the toast, which draws moisture from the bread and makes it crispy.

A hot cup of steaming cocoa contains heat energy.
Any fire, from the smallest match, to the fireplace, to the biggest forest fire ever, contains heat energy – with even the smallest of fires potentially resulting in the massive amount of heat energy seen in a huge blaze.
When ice is placed into a glass of water, the heat energy from the water eventually melts the ice, meaning the water itself is a source of heat energy.
A radiator or heating system in a home provides radiant heat energy to warm a house during those long, cold winter months.
Conventional ovens are sources of convection heat energy, causing the food placed into it to become hot and cook.
Your body contains heat energy that can warm a cold glass of lemonade, melt the ice on the other side of a window, and make someone else warm when you hug them.

Geothermal energy is a type of heat energy generated and stored beneath the surface of the Earth. This type of energy is used to heat homes and buildings.
A huge amount of heat energy is stored in a bolt of lightning, which can strike and start a fire or cause an electrical outage.
Heat energy is contained inside of a hot piece of pizza – if it doesn't cool down, that heat energy has the potential to hurt the roof of a person's mouth.
When your computer is turned on, the components inside of it generate heat energy, which needs to be cooled with a small fan installed within the machine.
A bathtub filled with hot water contains enough heat energy to warm a cold body back to a comfortable level on a frigid day.
There is heat energy inside a cat that can be transferred to a person when the warm animal jumps up onto his or her lap.

LOL, One of the benefits of learning science is the ability to tell which sites and sources are correct and which ones get it wrong.

LOL you *still* haven't learned anything on this topic LOL, LOL, LOL, were you born dumb or did you study. LOL

Try again.


[hey dumbass, try looking at units of measure. Are you really so completely unable to learn anything?]


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Lol can you tell us again that heat is not energy, that was pretty funny

Heat is not energy.

Heat is the flow of thermal energy.


Heat is energy.
10-02-2021 00:05
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan cited an erroneous source because he didn't know any better: Heat is a form of energy that can be transferred from one object to another or even created at the expense of the loss of other forms of energy. To review, temperature is a measure of the ability of a substance, or more generally of any physical system, to transfer heat energy to another physical system.

Everyday Examples of Heat Energy
There are three basic ways to transfer heat energy: convection, conduction, and radiation. Convection transfers heat energy through gases or liquids. Conduction transfers heat energy from one solid to another. Radiation transfers heat in the form of waves or particles through places where there are no molecules. It is a form of electromagnetic energy. Here are some common examples of heat energy.

The biggest example of heat energy in our solar system is the sun itself. The sun radiates heat to warm us up on the planet earth.
When the burner of a stovetop is very hot, it is a source of heat energy. Anything placed onto the stovetop and warmed, whether a pot of tea or a skillet for frying eggs, also become sources of heat energy.
Automobile fuels such as gasoline are sources of heat energy, as is the hot engine of a racecar or a school bus.
A toaster is turned on and turns a piece of bread into a piece of toast. This is due to the radiant heat energy of the toast, which draws moisture from the bread and makes it crispy.

A hot cup of steaming cocoa contains heat energy.
Any fire, from the smallest match, to the fireplace, to the biggest forest fire ever, contains heat energy – with even the smallest of fires potentially resulting in the massive amount of heat energy seen in a huge blaze.
When ice is placed into a glass of water, the heat energy from the water eventually melts the ice, meaning the water itself is a source of heat energy.
A radiator or heating system in a home provides radiant heat energy to warm a house during those long, cold winter months.
Conventional ovens are sources of convection heat energy, causing the food placed into it to become hot and cook.
Your body contains heat energy that can warm a cold glass of lemonade, melt the ice on the other side of a window, and make someone else warm when you hug them.

Geothermal energy is a type of heat energy generated and stored beneath the surface of the Earth. This type of energy is used to heat homes and buildings.
A huge amount of heat energy is stored in a bolt of lightning, which can strike and start a fire or cause an electrical outage.
Heat energy is contained inside of a hot piece of pizza – if it doesn't cool down, that heat energy has the potential to hurt the roof of a person's mouth.
When your computer is turned on, the components inside of it generate heat energy, which needs to be cooled with a small fan installed within the machine.
A bathtub filled with hot water contains enough heat energy to warm a cold body back to a comfortable level on a frigid day.
There is heat energy inside a cat that can be transferred to a person when the warm animal jumps up onto his or her lap.

LOL, One of the benefits of learning science is the ability to tell which sites and sources are correct and which ones get it wrong.

LOL you *still* haven't learned anything on this topic LOL, LOL, LOL, were you born dumb or did you study. LOL

Try again.


[hey dumbass, try looking at units of measure. Are you really so completely unable to learn anything?]


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Lol can you tell us again that heat is not energy, that was pretty funny

Heat is not energy. Heat is not contained in anything. Heat has no temperature. See the 2nd law of thermodynamics for the concept of 'heat'.


You are trying your own patience

Lol

Everyday Examples of Heat Energy
There are three basic ways to transfer heat energy: convection, conduction, and radiation. Convection transfers heat energy through gases or liquids. Conduction transfers heat energy from one solid to another. Radiation transfers heat in the form of waves or particles through places where there are no molecules. It is a form of electromagnetic energy. Here are some common examples of heat energy.

The biggest example of heat energy in our solar system is the sun itself. The sun radiates heat to warm us up on the planet earth.
When the burner of a stovetop is very hot, it is a source of heat energy. Anything placed onto the stovetop and warmed, whether a pot of tea or a skillet for frying eggs, also become sources of heat energy.
Automobile fuels such as gasoline are sources of heat energy, as is the hot engine of a racecar or a school bus.
A toaster is turned on and turns a piece of bread into a piece of toast. This is due to the radiant heat energy of the toast, which draws moisture from the bread and makes it crispy.

A hot cup of steaming cocoa contains heat energy.
Any fire, from the smallest match, to the fireplace, to the biggest forest fire ever, contains heat energy – with even the smallest of fires potentially resulting in the massive amount of heat energy seen in a huge blaze.
When ice is placed into a glass of water, the heat energy from the water eventually melts the ice, meaning the water itself is a source of heat energy.
A radiator or heating system in a home provides radiant heat energy to warm a house during those long, cold winter months.
Conventional ovens are sources of convection heat energy, causing the food placed into it to become hot and cook.
Your body contains heat energy that can warm a cold glass of lemonade, melt the ice on the other side of a window, and make someone else warm when you hug them.

Geothermal energy is a type of heat energy generated and stored beneath the surface of the Earth. This type of energy is used to heat homes and buildings.
A huge amount of heat energy is stored in a bolt of lightning, which can strike and start a fire or cause an electrical outage.
Heat energy is contained inside of a hot piece of pizza – if it doesn't cool down, that heat energy has the potential to hurt the roof of a person's mouth.
When your computer is turned on, the components inside of it generate heat energy, which needs to be cooled with a small fan installed within the machine.
A bathtub filled with hot water contains enough heat energy to warm a cold body back to a comfortable level on a frigid day.
There is heat energy inside a cat that can be transferred to a person when the warm animal jumps up onto his or her lap.
10-02-2021 00:55
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
Lol can you tell us again that heat is not energy, that was pretty funny

Heat is not energy.

Heat is the flow of thermal energy.


Heat is energy.

Mindless chanting, ignoring correction.
10-02-2021 01:27
James___
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Into the Night wrote:

Heat has no temperature.



Just more word games. Heat is what allows for temperature. And we're back to
KE = 3/2kT. You really don't get this, do you?
10-02-2021 02:31
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
Lol can you tell us again that heat is not energy, that was pretty funny

Heat is not energy.

Heat is the flow of thermal energy.


Heat is energy.

Mindless chanting, ignoring correction.


Again heat is most definitely energy, the BTU or British thermal unit is the most often gauge used of heat energy. Denying reality despite the obvious facts backing up that reality is referred to in abnormal psychology as delusional behavior.

https://www.britannica.com/science/heat

Heat As A Form Of Energy
Because all of the many forms of energy, including heat, can be converted into work, amounts of energy are expressed in units of work, such as joules, foot-pounds, kilowatt-hours, or calories. Exact relationships exist between the amounts of heat added to or removed from a body and the magnitude of the effects on the state of the body. The two units of heat most commonly used are the calorie and the British thermal unit (BTU). The calorie (or gram-calorie) is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one gram of water from 14.5 to 15.5 °C; the BTU is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one pound of water from 63 to 64 °F. One BTU is approximately 252 calories. Both definitions specify that the temperature changes are to be measured at a constant pressure of one atmosphere, because the amounts of energy involved depend in part on pressure. The calorie used in measuring the energy content of foods is the large calorie, or kilogram-calorie, equal to 1,000 gram-calories.

In general, the amount of energy required to raise a unit mass of a substance through a specified temperature interval is called the heat capacity, or the specific heat, of that substance. The quantity of energy necessary to raise the temperature of a body one degree varies depending upon the restraints imposed. If heat is added to a gas confined at constant volume, the amount of heat needed to cause a one-degree temperature rise is less than if the heat is added to the same gas free to expand (as in a cylinder fitted with a movable piston) and so do work. In the first case, all the energy goes into raising the temperature of the gas, but in the second case, the energy not only contributes to the temperature increase of the gas but also provides the energy necessary for the work done by the gas on the piston. Consequently, the specific heat of a substance depends on these conditions. The most commonly determined specific heats are the specific heat at constant volume and the specific heat at constant pressure. The heat capacities of many solid elements were shown to be closely related to their atomic weights by the French scientists Pierre-Louis Dulong and Alexis-Thérèse Petit in 1819. The so-called law of Dulong and Petit was useful in determining the atomic weights of certain metallic elements, but there are many exceptions to it; the deviations were later found to be explainable on the basis of quantum mechanics.
10-02-2021 03:36
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote: Again heat is most definitely energy,

We get it, it's a core tenant in your WACKY religion that claims to be able to see past events that were not observed by anyone.

Swan wrote: the BTU or British thermal unit is the most often gauge used of heat energy.

The BTU is an oft-used unit of measure for energy and work and does not apply to heat because heat is neither. One of the advantages of abandoning scientific illiteracy is the ability to discern which internet websites get it wrong.

You should learn what heat is. Denying reality despite the obvious discrepancies in units of measure is referred to in abnormal psychology as delusional behavior.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 03:38
James___
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@Swan, I almost posted where 20.25 mols of air is = to 1 lb of water. And to change the temperature +/- 1º F. which is = to 0.55º C. or 0.55 kelvin = 1 BTU.
Your explanation was overly complicated while I simply simplified it. Basically, if
KE = 20.25*3/2kT*0.55, then you have the amount of energy that it takes to perform 1 BTU of work. See how simple that is? After all, if room temperature is changed, it's because work has occurred. And luckily for us, we have Harvey. He informed me that "work" is a 4 letter word and should be avoided.


p.s., 4 is also a four letter word so we can't say that as well.

censorship by gfm and Harvey;
p.s., 4 is ---- a ----- letter ----- so we can't (it's a contraction) say ---- as -----.
Thankfully we have God fearing, Jesus loving Christians in this forum.
Psalm 128:4
Behold, for thus shall the man be blessed
Who fears the Lord.

At least Harvey and gfm are blessed. I can say good and well and four.
Damn, food is a four letter WORD as well. So much sin in the word but not the world.

Edited on 10-02-2021 03:47
10-02-2021 03:57
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: Again heat is most definitely energy,

We get it, it's a core tenant in your WACKY religion that claims to be able to see past events that were not observed by anyone.

Swan wrote: the BTU or British thermal unit is the most often gauge used of heat energy.

The BTU is an oft-used unit of measure for energy and work and does not apply to heat because heat is neither. One of the advantages of abandoning scientific illiteracy is the ability to discern which internet websites get it wrong.

You should learn what heat is. Denying reality despite the obvious discrepancies in units of measure is referred to in abnormal psychology as delusional behavior.

.


Actually the British thermal unit (BTU or Btu) is a unit of heat; it is defined as the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.

BTU Explained
"We all have heat energy moving about our homes throughout the year," says Keith. "In the world of HVAC, we measure heat leaving our homes (heat loss) or coming in (heat gain) in BTUs. A BTU is a British Thermal Unit. It's a unit of measure like a calorie or a joule, but it's an English unit. Like using yard instead of meter, we use BTU instead of calorie."
According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), a single BTU is equal to the energy released by burning a match. The EIA says that in 2013, the United States alone used enough BTUs to light about 98 quadrillion matches. What a fire that would be, right?

Did you learn this anal technique at the farm? Or did you steal a nurses phone again?
Edited on 10-02-2021 03:58
10-02-2021 04:54
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Actually the British thermal unit (BTU or Btu) is a unit of heat;

Nope. It's a unit of energy. I can't emphasize how liberating it is to be totally rid of scientific illiteracy. I can't be confused by morons like you who simply believe everything they read on the internet because they firmly believe that everything written on the internet must be true and correct ... because it's on the internet.

I happen to realize that there is a world full of total idiots, any of whom gets to write stuff on the internet ... anything whatsoever that you will ultimately believe as gospel.

Swan wrote:... it is defined as the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.

Nope. It is defined as the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.

Fun Fact: One BTU, a measure of energy, equals 1055.056 joules, another measure of energy.

Fun Fact: Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power, i.e. energy / time, e.g. watts

Fun Fact: Swan doesn't recognize differing units of measure. He thinks work is power, volume is velocity, area is wavelength, ... any two units of measure are the same. His WACKY religion prohibits him from "judging" any units of measure.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 05:07
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:

Nope. It shows that heat caused the decrease in temperature,



This shows where heat performs work. Work is the result of change. And thus energy was expended. Like making a kid and I kid you not about this.
Thank You Son.


p.s., I might have to talk to your mum about this ya know.

Edited on 10-02-2021 05:53
10-02-2021 05:53
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: This shows where heat performs work.

Heat is power, i.e. watts. Work is energy, i.e. joules or ergs or BTUs.

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10-02-2021 06:27
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote: This shows where heat performs work.

Heat is power, i.e. watts. Work is energy, i.e. joules or ergs or BTUs.

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Sun, I don't know of anyone who could've said it better.
10-02-2021 13:37
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually the British thermal unit (BTU or Btu) is a unit of heat;

Nope. It's a unit of energy. I can't emphasize how liberating it is to be totally rid of scientific illiteracy. I can't be confused by morons like you who simply believe everything they read on the internet because they firmly believe that everything written on the internet must be true and correct ... because it's on the internet.

I happen to realize that there is a world full of total idiots, any of whom gets to write stuff on the internet ... anything whatsoever that you will ultimately believe as gospel.

Swan wrote:... it is defined as the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.

Nope. It is defined as the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit.

Fun Fact: One BTU, a measure of energy, equals 1055.056 joules, another measure of energy.

Fun Fact: Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power, i.e. energy / time, e.g. watts

Fun Fact: Swan doesn't recognize differing units of measure. He thinks work is power, volume is velocity, area is wavelength, ... any two units of measure are the same. His WACKY religion prohibits him from "judging" any units of measure.

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A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

See you can learn

You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&authuser=1&sxsrf=ALeKk01MjJmCJacAkfDF-P-1VmiSQsguAQ%3A1612956959458&source=hp&ei=H8UjYOn5GJHu_QbKg7bwAg&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYCPTLwNi_TImGmXsv_jfWeYrrxws8ck7&q=kratos+stock&oq=krotos+st&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgoIABCxAxCDARAKMgoIABCxAxCDARAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKMgQIABAKOgQIIxAnOgQILhAnOggILhCxAxCDAToFCC4QsQM6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgIIADoICAAQsQMQgwE6AgguOgUIABCxAzoOCC4QsQMQxwEQowIQkwI6CAgAELEDEMkDOggILhDHARCvAToECC4QCjoHCAAQsQMQClCMF1jXOGDuSmgAcAB4AIABhgGIAZ4GkgEDNy4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab
10-02-2021 13:44
duncan61
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Tomorrow I will be silver soldering brass fittings to copper pipe.Is it work or the application of energy or heat.I am sure I have to heat the pipe and fittings with my OXY/LPG welding set.If I am applying burning gas I am sure I am heating the pipe.The solder will not flow by capillary attraction in to the joint if the work is not heated sufficiently.The melting point of brass 930°C 1710°F is close to the melting point of the solder alloy 618 to 899ºC 1145 to 1650ºF The brass fittings are bulky compared to the copper tube.Copper melts at 1084 C 1983 F.I sourced these measurements of wikipedia so can I assume they are wrong.IBDM as soon as you start including the claim all the other posters are in some WACKY religion it is hard to take your comments for real.There must be something on google or wikipedia that is true and how did the election go by the way.You are not all ways right and this heat debate is not going well for you.
10-02-2021 14:04
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 14:10
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

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Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love
10-02-2021 16:04
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote: Tomorrow I will be silver soldering brass fittings to copper pipe.

Do the best job you possibly can and make the world a better place.

duncan61 wrote: Is it work or the application of energy or heat.

Colloquially, you will be doing work, but the value you will be adding is gauged in economics, not physics.

On the physics side of the fence, your soldering equipment will be used at what power setting?

For how long (how much time)?

Power = Energy / Time

... ergo the total Energy involved in the soldering will equal the Power applied multiplied by the amount of Time soldering.

duncan61 wrote: I am sure I have to heat the pipe and fittings with my OXY/LPG welding set.

Do the best job you possibly can and make the world a better place.

duncan61 wrote: If I am applying burning gas I am sure I am heating the pipe.

Yes, it is very likely. You can verify by noting a change in temperature.

duncan61 wrote: The solder will not flow by capillary attraction into the joint if the work is not heated sufficiently.

Nope. You meant to write that the solder will not flow if it is not raised to the necessary temperature.

There is no "sufficient" amount of heat that will cause the solder to flow if the necessary temperature is not reached.

Heat is not Temperature.

duncan61 wrote:IBDM as soon as you start including the claim all the other posters are in some WACKY religion it is hard to take your comments for real.

Just how much do you need to blame me for your own denial of science or for your own mathematical incompetence? I had nothing to do with you not paying attention in school. At some point you need to stop blaming the rest of the world for your own shortcomings, especially those you caused directly.

duncan61 wrote: this heat debate is not going well for you.

Your own posts do not go well for you. Nonetheless, I'm happy to answer your questions for you. You will notice that you and Swan are the ones who 1) insist on denying physics and 2) need to become ashsoles when #1 is noted.

Most other people actually appreciate when I help them with physics and math and economics. You and Swan, on the other hand, feel a sense of entitlement to have others applaude your misguided absurdities and you feign indignance when someone tells you when you are objectively wrong.

Physics is not a matter of opinion, which is a very good thing for humanity considering the overabundance of absurd opinions like yours.

Have a great day.

.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 16:07
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(8621)
Swan wrote:[void argument deleted]

Apparently you still have no rational basis for any of your ZANY beliefs and it would seem that you are still trying to divert attention away from that fact.

Hmmmmm.

.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 17:10
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
(393)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:[void argument deleted]

Apparently you still have no rational basis for any of your ZANY beliefs and it would seem that you are still trying to divert attention away from that fact.

Hmmmmm.

.


Actually you are the zainy one who can not accept that heat is energy.

Lol, so you have no thoughts on whether I should add kratos to my defense portfolio?

What is in your portfolio, other than bills I mean
10-02-2021 17:33
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote: Actually you are the zainy one who can not accept that heat is energy.

I have explained your units-of-measure error too many times. I won't be doing it again. Your WACKY anti-science religion requires you to deny science with extreme prejudice. I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Swan wrote:Lol, so you have no thoughts on whether I should add kratos to my defense portfolio?

I already advised you to transition to futures.

How much money are you looking for someone else to make instead?

.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 18:16
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: Actually you are the zainy one who can not accept that heat is energy.

I have explained your units-of-measure error too many times. I won't be doing it again. Your WACKY anti-science religion requires you to deny science with extreme prejudice. I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Swan wrote:Lol, so you have no thoughts on whether I should add kratos to my defense portfolio?

I already advised you to transition to futures.

How much money are you looking for someone else to make instead?

.


If you can not accept that heat is energy, you can not accept reality.

Heat is still energy, not religion as you claim
10-02-2021 18:33
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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duncan61 wrote:
IBDM as soon as you start including the claim all the other posters are in some WACKY religion it is hard to take your comments for real.

He is correct when he makes that claim.

duncan61 wrote:
There must be something on google or wikipedia that is true

Of course there is. Those sources do get some things right here and there, however, they unfortunately get things wrong much more often than not. I personally do not accept Wikipedia as a source of anything (and both my grade school and high school did not allow their students to use Wikipedia as a source, for good reason).

All that Google does is bring up websites that are related to one's search (of course, this is not organically done, as Google purposely pushes up to the forefront what they want a person to see rather than what that person is actually searching for). The fact that a search engine generates results does not suddenly make "holy" the information contained within those results, as A LOT of people regularly get A LOT of things wrong. There are many examples of such people here on this very forum (such as keepit, tmiddles, Swan, James, Spongy Iris, Wake, etc...)

duncan61 wrote:
and how did the election go by the way.

The former USA, now the SODC, did not hold an election for President in 2020. There was only an illusion of an election (for societal manipulation purposes), then the SODC installed a dementia afflicted CCP agent as Prime Minister.

duncan61 wrote:
You are not all ways right

Neither are you.

Here, you are making use of incorrect grammar. The word you seem to be looking for is the adverb 'always' (every time/occasion) rather than the phrase 'all ways' (every possible manner/method). Of course, if your intention was to refer to all manners/methods rather than referring to every time/occasion, then you could amend your sentence to include the word 'in' before the words 'all ways' and it would be grammatically correct.

But to respond to your statement, none of us are ALWAYS right, but some of us happen to be right much more often than others are...

duncan61 wrote:
and this heat debate is not going well for you.

No, it is going quite well for IBD (and myself). We are correct, and Swan is wrong. This is because Swan is scientifically illiterate.
10-02-2021 18:38
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
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Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

.


Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love

False Source. Holy links are not science. The 2nd LoT makes very clear what 'heat' is, and it is NOT energy (thermal or otherwise).
10-02-2021 18:44
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
(1869)
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: Actually you are the zainy one who can not accept that heat is energy.

I have explained your units-of-measure error too many times. I won't be doing it again. Your WACKY anti-science religion requires you to deny science with extreme prejudice. I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Swan wrote:Lol, so you have no thoughts on whether I should add kratos to my defense portfolio?

I already advised you to transition to futures.

How much money are you looking for someone else to make instead?

.


If you can not accept that heat is energy, you can not accept reality.

You cannot even DEFINE reality, dumbass... You use it as a meaningless buzzword... You've been corrected on this point multiple times now, and refuse to accept that correction, so have fun with your wacky religion...

Swan wrote:
Heat is still energy, not religion as you claim

He didn't say that heat was religion. No wonder you can't learn... You can't even properly comprehend what he is telling you...
10-02-2021 21:05
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
(393)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

.


Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love

False Source. Holy links are not science. The 2nd LoT makes very clear what 'heat' is, and it is NOT energy (thermal or otherwise).


Lol, heat is energy, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that heat is a religion.

How is your stock portfolio doing genius?
10-02-2021 22:12
duncan61
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(1015)
Heat is the form of energy that is transferred between systems or objects with different temperatures (flowing from the high-temperature system to the low-temperature system). Also referred to as heat energy or thermal energy.24 July 2012

For fun I googled Heat and 3rd line down after the movie reviews I found this.This is what I physically do with a LPG and Oxygen burning mixture at 2800 °C 5072 °F.

IBDM wrote
Nope. You meant to write that the solder will not flow if it is not raised to the necessary temperature.

There is no "sufficient" amount of heat that will cause the solder to flow if the necessary temperature is not reached.

Heat is not Temperature.No heat is energy thats what the debate is all about.

GFM7175 Wrote Lol, heat is energy, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that heat is a religion.
Thats the point Swan and I are making.

The brass and copper have to get hotter than the solder for it to flow.With experience you can tell as the copper will go to a dull red then add a bit of solder and it runs around easy.If the work is too cold the solder will blob then more energy/heat is needed as now you have to heat the work and the solder.Lead/tin Soft solder melts at a much lower temperature and can be done with a propane burner.The ground conditions here do not favour lead/tin joints so we use silver solder instead
10-02-2021 22:20
duncan61
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Transfer of the Sun's Energy through Earth's Systems
Convection, conduction, and radiation are similar in that all of these processes are ways in which heat moves from one place to another. The difference between convection and conduction is that in convection the molecules of heated materials actually move from place to place in convection, while during conduction, heat is passed from molecule to molecule. However, the molecules themselves don't travel.

Heat travels by conduction and radiation in solids and by convection in fluids like air and water. Radiant energy waves travel from the Sun through space and become heat energy when absorbed by a substance or material—i.e., the Earth.

We have briefly touched on radiation but now let's look at it in more detail. Electromagnetic radiant energy is the main source of heat energy on Earth. Most of this radiant energy comes from the sun, approximately 93 million miles away from Earth. Radiation is different from conduction in that radiant energy travels from the sun (or other glowing bodies) through space in the form of invisible waves rather than transferring heat from molecule to molecule. When a solid object, like Earth, absorbs radiant energy waves, the energy becomes heat. The darker and more opaque the materials are that absorb waves of radiant energy, the faster the molecules of the material move and the hotter they become.

Much of the heat from the Sun's radiant energy is transferred back into the atmosphere. We can sometimes see heat energy absorbed by Earth radiate back into the atmosphere because the Earth is much cooler than the sun. An example illustrating radiation from Earth is when you see the heat rising from a black-topped road in the middle of a hot summer day. Heat energy is transferred from warmer objects (such as the road) to those that are cooler (such as the air). The Sun's heat is a major influence on the kinds of weather we experience. Without the sun's heat energy, water wouldn't evaporate, then rise until it meets cooler air and condense into clouds. Without clouds, we wouldn't have rain or other types of precipitation. Plants wouldn't survive in drought conditions. High and low pressure areas that meet in frontal systems determine the amount of precipitation Earth receives. Earth's topography, with its mountains, plains, plateaus, oceans, lakes, and streams containing water, also melting snow and ice, allow the evaporation of water to take place.

Pick the weevils out of this statement team.It is out of my WACKY religion manual
10-02-2021 23:09
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote: Heat is the form of energy that is transferred between systems or objects with different temperatures

Did you read what I wrote or not? Thermal energy is the energy that flows between bodies of different temperatures. Heat is that flow. It's not energy, it's a flow.

duncan61 wrote:Thats the point Swan and I are making.

You meant to write "That's the error Swan and I are committing."

duncan61 wrote: The brass and copper have to get hotter than the solder for it to flow.

Exactly. A certain temperature must be reached, not a certain amount of heat.

Anything else?

.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-02-2021 23:27
duncan61
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(1015)
Applying heat raises the temperature.Is heat thermal flow?.
10-02-2021 23:31
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★☆
(1869)
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

.


Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love

False Source. Holy links are not science. The 2nd LoT makes very clear what 'heat' is, and it is NOT energy (thermal or otherwise).


Lol, heat is energy, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that heat is a religion.

LOL air flow is air, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that air flow is a religion.

Swan wrote:
How is your stock portfolio doing genius?

Don't have one.
11-02-2021 00:13
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
(393)
duncan61 wrote:
Heat is the form of energy that is transferred between systems or objects with different temperatures (flowing from the high-temperature system to the low-temperature system). Also referred to as heat energy or thermal energy.24 July 2012

For fun I googled Heat and 3rd line down after the movie reviews I found this.This is what I physically do with a LPG and Oxygen burning mixture at 2800 °C 5072 °F.

IBDM wrote
Nope. You meant to write that the solder will not flow if it is not raised to the necessary temperature.

There is no "sufficient" amount of heat that will cause the solder to flow if the necessary temperature is not reached.

Heat is not Temperature.No heat is energy thats what the debate is all about.

GFM7175 Wrote Lol, heat is energy, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that heat is a religion.
Thats the point Swan and I are making.

The brass and copper have to get hotter than the solder for it to flow.With experience you can tell as the copper will go to a dull red then add a bit of solder and it runs around easy.If the work is too cold the solder will blob then more energy/heat is needed as now you have to heat the work and the solder.Lead/tin Soft solder melts at a much lower temperature and can be done with a propane burner.The ground conditions here do not favour lead/tin joints so we use silver solder instead


Duncan, there is no real debate here. Heat is energy, this is not debatable unless mindless fools are involved and making the claim that heat is not energy but a religion.

Solar radiation, is heat energy from the Sun.

So do not be tricked into debating something that is factual
11-02-2021 00:14
SwanProfile picture★★☆☆☆
(393)
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
gfm7175 wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

.


Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love

False Source. Holy links are not science. The 2nd LoT makes very clear what 'heat' is, and it is NOT energy (thermal or otherwise).


Lol, heat is energy, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that heat is a religion.

LOL air flow is air, except in the minds of schitzos who believe that air flow is a religion.

Swan wrote:
How is your stock portfolio doing genius?

Don't have one.


If you could rationalize that heat is energy perhaps you could pick a winner
11-02-2021 01:02
James___
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(4152)
duncan61 wrote:
Applying heat raises the temperature.Is heat thermal flow?.



I think basically that all electromagnetic radiation is energy. This would be one reason why it's quantifiable.
11-02-2021 01:33
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15047)
James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:

Heat has no temperature.



Just more word games. Heat is what allows for temperature. And we're back to
KE = 3/2kT. You really don't get this, do you?


Heat has no temperature. Heat is not kinetic energy either.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
11-02-2021 01:51
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(15047)
duncan61 wrote:
Tomorrow I will be silver soldering brass fittings to copper pipe.Is it work or the application of energy or heat.I am sure I have to heat the pipe and fittings with my OXY/LPG welding set.If I am applying burning gas I am sure I am heating the pipe.The solder will not flow by capillary attraction in to the joint if the work is not heated sufficiently.The melting point of brass 930°C 1710°F is close to the melting point of the solder alloy 618 to 899ºC 1145 to 1650ºF The brass fittings are bulky compared to the copper tube.Copper melts at 1084 C 1983 F.I sourced these measurements of wikipedia so can I assume they are wrong.IBDM as soon as you start including the claim all the other posters are in some WACKY religion it is hard to take your comments for real.There must be something on google or wikipedia that is true and how did the election go by the way.You are not all ways right and this heat debate is not going well for you.


All fires convert chemical energy to thermal energy. It is no different for your torch.

If you hold the torch too far away, you won't melt the solder. A bit closer, and you melt the solder, but it won't properly flow into the pipe joint. To do it properly, you have to heat the pipe, and use that to melt the solder.

Heat is the movement of thermal energy. It is not the energy itself. When you are soldering pipes, the pipe is heating the air around it, and any wall material it is touching (some plumbers have started fires this way!). The pipe is cooling off by heating that material around it. You have to keep the torch on the joint for a bit of time, to heat that joint faster than that joint can heat anything else.

Once the joint is soldered, however, removing the torch allows the pipe to continue to heat the surrounding wall and air until it cools back to room temperature, which won't take long.

Note that your little torch isn't heating the entire pipe, just the bit that you are working on. The rest of the pipe stays cool. That section of pipe is also trying to heat the rest of the pipe.

Heat can be by conduction (pipe section heating the rest of the pipe, pipe section touching wall component, etc), or by convection (air surrounding the pipe joint is heated by the pipe joint. That air rises away from the joint and dissipates that thermal energy across a wider area), or by radiance (the torch itself heating the pipe section, or the warmth you feel from a glowing coal).

Heat itself is not energy. It is the flow of energy.
Just as in a river...the flow of the river, or a current, is not the water itself, it is the downstream movement of the water.

Just as a river can only flow downhill, heat can only flow one way: hot to cold.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit
11-02-2021 02:06
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:Duncan, there is no real debate here.

LOL What a coincidence! This is what warmizombies insist as well, and they too become totally irrational when presented with a viewpoint that differs from their WACKY religious dogma LOL.

Swan wrote: Heat is energy, this is not debatable

LOL What a coincidence! Warmizombies totally deny science as well LOL.

Swan wrote: ... unless mindless fools are involved and making the claim that heat is not energy but a religion.

LOL What a coincidence! Warmizombies are forever protesting how the mindless "deniers" claim that nobody knows whether the earth's temperature or its sea level is rising and that Global Warming is just a religion LOL.

Swan wrote:Solar radiation, is heat energy from the Sun.

LOL What a coincidence! Warmizombies are forever creating their own meaningless gibberbabble by attempting to redefine common words and incorporating them into their WACKY religious dogma LOL.

Yawn.

.


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-02-2021 02:13
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: I think basically that all electromagnetic radiation is energy.

Well put.

James___ wrote: This would be one reason why it's quantifiable.

Ergs
Joules
Calories
Kilowatt-Hour
British Thermal Unit ... all are interchangeable (upon conversion, of course).

Yep, all quantifiable.

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11-02-2021 02:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:A BTU is an amount of heat energy.

LOL It's not enough to keep getting it wrong. You must insist on getting it wrong. It's your religious obligation.

One BTU is an amount of thermal energy.

Heat is a flow of thermal energy and is measured in power units.

Space heaters specify watts (power) not BTUs (energy).

Swan wrote:You have any opinions on Kratos stock?

Yes. Ditch the stock and make your bids in the futures market. You lose all the money you don't make.

.


Again your refusal to accept reality in denial of the obvious evidence attesting to the fact that heat is indeed energy indicates a serious case of delusions of grandeur

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/delusion-of-grandeur

https://www.brightquest.com/delusional-disorder/grandiose-delusions/

So at all cost do not get frustrated with yourself, and use your Obamacare, for the benefit of those that you love

So now you have chosen to use Holy Links to deny physics.
Heat is not energy. It is the FLOW of energy...specifically the flow of thermal energy. It is not the energy itself.

Water is a material. The flow of water is not the water itself. It is simply the movement of water.

Thermal energy is energy. The flow of thermal energy is heat. Heat is not the energy itself. It is simply the movement of thermal energy.

Current in a river is measured as gallons per hour, while water can be measured in just gallons.

Heat is measured in watts, or joules per second, while thermal energy can be measured in just joules.

BTU is directly convertible to joules (1 joule is 0.000947817 BTU). BTU as used for rating air conditioners, furnaces, and the like, as actually BTU/hr, or heat, just as watts are heat. Heat is not the energy itself. It is the FLOW of thermal energy.

1 watt is 0.000947817 BTU per second and is also 1 joule per second.

Heat has no temperature. It is not contained in anything.

Thermal energy (which is not heat), does have a temperature (the average thermal energy in a substance, not the total thermal energy).
Thermal energy does have a place (the location of the substance).
It is kinetic in nature (though it is not kinetic energy).
Thermal energy is energy. It can do work. Engines, such as steam engines or the internal combustion found in cars, are also called 'heat engines'. The work by thermal energy flowing to a cooler location. All such engines require a hot section and a cold section. The greater the difference of temperature between these two sections, the more efficient the engine becomes.

The most efficient engine today is the modern jet engine operating at altitude (typically the tropopause), where the difference between the temperature of burning kerosene in the burner cans and the outside air temperature is very great indeed. Even better, drag is reduced due to the thinner air.


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