It's not overpopulation problem rather population mismanagement problem

decentralmind wrote:
Overpopulation is not such a big problem as it seems to be. Earth can handle extremely large population for decades without any problems if managed well, I like to clarify it with simple high school math.

Current population = 7.7 billion, I want to make it to 8 billion for this calculation.

Australia land area size = 7.692 million km², let's narrow down to Queensland state only,

Queensland land area size = 1.853 million km².

Let's put all the world population into Queensland only

Land space for each person =
1.853 million km² / 8 billion = 0.000231625 km2 = 231.625 square meter.

Each person on planet earth will have 231.625 square meter, that's very comfortable living space for single person, many people today lived in cramped space way below than this.

Now imagine this, if each house is made with 2 Storey buildings than Queensland alone can fit 16 billion population comfortably easy.

I think overpopulation will not be of serious issue for decades unless we manage it well.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Not really a lot of space at all. Consider there is a lot more to living, than just sitting at home. All those people will need food and water. 232 m^2 isn't going to produce enough per person. So, you need some land that will produce food. You need roads and transportation to get the food and water to the people, or the people to the food and water. Think you sort of get the picture.

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

GasGuzzler wrote:
I love pizza, but not the crust. I don't eat it. What would be the proper management of that crust so it doesn't go to waste?

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Not really a lot of space at all. Consider there is a lot more to living, than just sitting at home. All those people will need food and water. 232 m^2 isn't going to produce enough per person. So, you need some land that will produce food. You need roads and transportation to get the food and water to the people, or the people to the food and water. Think you sort of get the picture.

The entire remainder of the Earth is available for those resources. You are quite right. Getting the two together is the biggest issue.

Guess that's why the entire population of Earth doesn't live in Queensland!

James___ wrote:

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

What you ignored are the effects to the environment. Victoria Island has had much of its trees harvested. Fresh water around the planet is becoming scarce. If things don't change in the US then it's western states might become like Jordan.
Meanwhile Israel and other Arab countries are heavily dependent on desalination and the US is going to need to accept that it will need to as well.
This is something that could hurt the US because of wasteful government spending that didn't improve the infrastructure to support the quality of life that Americans enjoy.
Although I've heard that Australia is a nice place to live. It's government also seems to be fiscally responsible. It's GDP to debt ratio is about 1/2 that of the US.
This is where the US has over 4 times the people and it creates problems. An example is the income disparity. It's one of the highest in the world.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

What you ignored are the effects to the environment. Victoria Island has had much of its trees harvested. Fresh water around the planet is becoming scarce. If things don't change in the US then it's western states might become like Jordan.
Meanwhile Israel and other Arab countries are heavily dependent on desalination and the US is going to need to accept that it will need to as well.
This is something that could hurt the US because of wasteful government spending that didn't improve the infrastructure to support the quality of life that Americans enjoy.
Although I've heard that Australia is a nice place to live. It's government also seems to be fiscally responsible. It's GDP to debt ratio is about 1/2 that of the US.
This is where the US has over 4 times the people and it creates problems. An example is the income disparity. It's one of the highest in the world.

Isn't rain water, fresh water? I would think fresh water would be a problem for people living near mountains, except maybe California. People chose to live where they do, and move, when it no longer provides what they want or need, just like any other animal.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

What you ignored are the effects to the environment. Victoria Island has had much of its trees harvested. Fresh water around the planet is becoming scarce. If things don't change in the US then it's western states might become like Jordan.
Meanwhile Israel and other Arab countries are heavily dependent on desalination and the US is going to need to accept that it will need to as well.
This is something that could hurt the US because of wasteful government spending that didn't improve the infrastructure to support the quality of life that Americans enjoy.
Although I've heard that Australia is a nice place to live. It's government also seems to be fiscally responsible. It's GDP to debt ratio is about 1/2 that of the US.
This is where the US has over 4 times the people and it creates problems. An example is the income disparity. It's one of the highest in the world.

Isn't rain water, fresh water? I would think fresh water would be a problem for people living near mountains, except maybe California. People chose to live where they do, and move, when it no longer provides what they want or need, just like any other animal.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

What you ignored are the effects to the environment. Victoria Island has had much of its trees harvested. Fresh water around the planet is becoming scarce. If things don't change in the US then it's western states might become like Jordan.
Meanwhile Israel and other Arab countries are heavily dependent on desalination and the US is going to need to accept that it will need to as well.
This is something that could hurt the US because of wasteful government spending that didn't improve the infrastructure to support the quality of life that Americans enjoy.
Although I've heard that Australia is a nice place to live. It's government also seems to be fiscally responsible. It's GDP to debt ratio is about 1/2 that of the US.
This is where the US has over 4 times the people and it creates problems. An example is the income disparity. It's one of the highest in the world.

Isn't rain water, fresh water? I would think fresh water would be a problem for people living near mountains, except maybe California. People chose to live where they do, and move, when it no longer provides what they want or need, just like any other animal.

Rain water is fresh water. It falls mostly on the prevailing windward sides of mountains. That wind is normally from the sea in the West. That's why the western slopes of coastal ranges, the Cascades, and even the Rockies get the most rain.

The mountains is where much of the rainwater falls. It is the mountain itself that starts air rising.

James___ wrote:
What some people might not know is that a tribe on the Columbia River couldn't use 1 salmon in a traditional ceremony. One indication that dams on the river has decreased the number of salmon that spawn up river
When I lived in Vancouver, Washington, I still read the paper.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
What some people might not know is that a tribe on the Columbia River couldn't use 1 salmon in a traditional ceremony. One indication that dams on the river has decreased the number of salmon that spawn up river
When I lived in Vancouver, Washington, I still read the paper.

Some how find that hard to believe, but then again I grew up in Oregon. That was a long time ago, but the salmon made it up river just fine, and past the three damns. They have something called fish ladders... I lived way up on a snow capped mountain, and can't remember a year, not being able to catch a a few salmon and steelhead. And that was within walking distance of my house, we live in town... Of course walking allowed to access areas of rivers not so crowed, and employ no-traditional fishing techniques... We didn't get to fish everyday, or even every weekend, since most of the paths we used weren't usable when wet, which was often. Not always easy to catch a ride, or as successful with a fishing pole. Pretty sure Native Americans had better.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

decentralmind wrote:
I've left all parts of the earth area's out of the equation except Queensland. There are more than plenty of land area's to grow food or declare whole single country for just animals.

I definitely wont think that whole population would ever live on single state but I'm trying to point out here is that how mismanagement whole system is. I thought we were running out of land areas but the above basic math shows it's not the case.

Let focus on drinking water sector, it is estimated that United States households lose over 1 trillion gallons in total each year.

Now again let's do the simple basic math,

Current population = 7.7 billion

Liters of water per person each day = (1 trillion gallons / 7.7 billion ) * 3.78541 liter = 491.61 / 365 days = 1.34 liters each day

A water wasted just from united state only if managed can provide 1.34 liters of daily water to all the population on Earth. Of course 1.34 liters of water is not enough but this equation accounts only United State.

Let look at food sectors,

It is estimated that during 2018 United State alone wasted 1.3 billion tons of food each year.

Now again let's do simple math,

Kg of food per person each day = (1.3 billion / 7.7 billion) * 1000 kg = 168.83 kg / 365 days = 0.46 kg

Food wasted by United State alone provide 0.46 kg of food to all the population of earth if managed well. Of course again 0.46 kg is not sufficient but this equation only account food wasted by United State.

I just want to highlight how mismanaged the whole world is. The world can sustain far more population if managed well.

What you ignored are the effects to the environment. Victoria Island has had much of its trees harvested. Fresh water around the planet is becoming scarce. If things don't change in the US then it's western states might become like Jordan.
Meanwhile Israel and other Arab countries are heavily dependent on desalination and the US is going to need to accept that it will need to as well.
This is something that could hurt the US because of wasteful government spending that didn't improve the infrastructure to support the quality of life that Americans enjoy.
Although I've heard that Australia is a nice place to live. It's government also seems to be fiscally responsible. It's GDP to debt ratio is about 1/2 that of the US.
This is where the US has over 4 times the people and it creates problems. An example is the income disparity. It's one of the highest in the world.

Isn't rain water, fresh water? I would think fresh water would be a problem for people living near mountains, except maybe California. People chose to live where they do, and move, when it no longer provides what they want or need, just like any other animal.

Rain water is fresh water. It falls mostly on the prevailing windward sides of mountains. That wind is normally from the sea in the West. That's why the western slopes of coastal ranges, the Cascades, and even the Rockies get the most rain.

The mountains is where much of the rainwater falls. It is the mountain itself that starts air rising.

The reason according to KOMO News 4 is that Seattle has the bluest skies is because it's on the Puget Sound.

James___ wrote:
The Pacific Northwest is called God's Country for a reason.

James___ wrote:
Kind of why I'm a tad or wee bit of an environmentalist.

James___ wrote:
ITN, what most people might not understand is that when the Seattle metropolitan area had a population of 2 million people, the entire state of Kentucky couldn't keep up with it.

James___ wrote:
PBS did a documentary about Seattle and said that it's people were still in love with the World's Fair from 1961.

James___ wrote:
I think that all of the innovation that comes from the area might make Seattle one of the best places in the world to live.

James___ wrote:
What some people might not know is that a tribe on the Columbia River couldn't use 1 salmon in a traditional ceremony. One indication that dams on the river has decreased the number of salmon that spawn up river
When I lived in Vancouver, Washington, I still read the paper.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
What some people might not know is that a tribe on the Columbia River couldn't use 1 salmon in a traditional ceremony. One indication that dams on the river has decreased the number of salmon that spawn up river
When I lived in Vancouver, Washington, I still read the paper.

Some how find that hard to believe, but then again I grew up in Oregon. That was a long time ago, but the salmon made it up river just fine, and past the three damns. They have something called fish ladders... I lived way up on a snow capped mountain, and can't remember a year, not being able to catch a a few salmon and steelhead. And that was within walking distance of my house, we live in town... Of course walking allowed to access areas of rivers not so crowed, and employ no-traditional fishing techniques... We didn't get to fish everyday, or even every weekend, since most of the paths we used weren't usable when wet, which was often. Not always easy to catch a ride, or as successful with a fishing pole. Pretty sure Native Americans had better.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
What some people might not know is that a tribe on the Columbia River couldn't use 1 salmon in a traditional ceremony. One indication that dams on the river has decreased the number of salmon that spawn up river
When I lived in Vancouver, Washington, I still read the paper.

Some how find that hard to believe, but then again I grew up in Oregon. That was a long time ago, but the salmon made it up river just fine, and past the three damns. They have something called fish ladders... I lived way up on a snow capped mountain, and can't remember a year, not being able to catch a a few salmon and steelhead. And that was within walking distance of my house, we live in town... Of course walking allowed to access areas of rivers not so crowed, and employ no-traditional fishing techniques... We didn't get to fish everyday, or even every weekend, since most of the paths we used weren't usable when wet, which was often. Not always easy to catch a ride, or as successful with a fishing pole. Pretty sure Native Americans had better.

Times have changed. My dad used to go to Alaska for King Crab. He said they used to throw away what's being kept now. The link is about the fish runs to Idaho.

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And early next week it will be cold in Florida
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James___ wrote:
What might be a thought is to place screens to create a path to the fish ladders.

James___ wrote:
Nitrogen is released by the churning water coming out of the dam.

James___ wrote:
This kills a lot of fish.

James___ wrote:
Or even just make a stream that goes around the dam.

James___ wrote:
What might be a strange proposal to pull water from the Mississippi River is to use locks to reduce the flow. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to that.

decentralmind wrote:
Overpopulation is not such a big problem as it seems to be.