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Population Change and Demography - the malthusian rate.


Population Change and Demography - the malthusian rate.07-10-2019 17:26
Amanbir Grewal
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Thomas Robert Malthus FRS (13 February 1766 – 23 December 1834) was an English cleric and scholar, influential in the fields of political economy and demography.

He wrote: 'That the increase of population is necessarily limited by the means of subsistence, That population does invariably increase when the means of subsistence increase;

The Malthusian trap or population trap is a condition whereby excess population would stop growing due to shortage of food supply leading to starvation.

According to Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations the world's arable land amounted to 1,407 M ha, out of a total 4,924 M ha land used for agriculture, as for year 2013.

This puts a ceiling on the world population. At current growth rates, this is to be attained in a given number of years, 'stabilizing time'.

Linear decay trajectories for the incremental population (currently 83 million) extends the stabilization time by a factor of two, or a doubling.

Other trajectories must be concave to achieve more normalized decays.
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07-10-2019 17:34
Amanbir Grewal
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07-10-2019 17:37
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07-10-2019 20:57
HarveyH55
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So, what the graph is saying, is that if we reduce atmospheric CO2, crops will do poorly, less productive, and people will starve to death by the millions...
08-10-2019 07:55
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Amanbir Grewal wrote:
Thomas Robert Malthus FRS (13 February 1766 – 23 December 1834) was an English cleric and scholar, influential in the fields of political economy and demography.

He wrote: 'That the increase of population is necessarily limited by the means of subsistence, That population does invariably increase when the means of subsistence increase;


Well I guess we can't all be right. He is certainly wrong unless you're under the impression a food shortage and not affluence caused the decline in the human birth rate (also birth control helped out a lot!).
The only reason we haven't already seen the world population stop growing is that medical care has allowed people to live so much longer.
08-10-2019 19:40
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: Well I guess we can't all be right.

... and you should know.

The population is exploding ... well, increasing steadily with accelerated growth, despite any graphics you might fancy that are designed for the gullible.

Reality, and actual population increase doesn't jive with your chart (and your smug misconception). It requires less and less time for the population to grow by another billion.

World population: *** Year *** *** Time to add 1 billion
1 billion ***** ***** 1804
2 billion ***** ***** 1927 *** *** 123 years
3 billion ***** ***** 1960 *** *** 33 years
4 billion ***** ***** 1974 *** *** 14 years
5 billion ***** ***** 1987 *** *** 13 years
6 billion ***** ***** 1999 *** *** 12 years
7 billion ***** ***** 2010 *** *** 11 years

The current world population is about 7.8 billion. We are on course to arrive at:

8 billion ***** ***** 2020 *** *** 10 years

Your declining birth rate and slowing population growth is mere Marxist wishful thinking.

Whenever a Marxist professes faith, it's a sure bet that reality is the exact opposite.

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Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-10-2019 13:53
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:...graphics you might fancy that are designed for the gullible....

OK so you claim that graphic presents false information? What has happened to the birth rate since the 1950s? Enlighten us.

I already pointed out that longer human life spans have cause the population to continue to increase.

I don't even understand what you think is a right or left issue on this one? It's great that the birth rate dropped. Celebrate! We'd be screwed otherwise.



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09-10-2019 15:52
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:...graphics you might fancy that are designed for the gullible....

OK so you claim that graphic presents false information?

Nope. I said it was aimed at the gullible who will eagerly draw erroneous conclusions, as you did.

Re-read your previous post of how you drew a really stupid conclusion using that graphic as the basis for your stupid conclusion, and then re-read my post explaining how your erroneous conclusion does not jive with reality. That should be all the explanation you need to see that you made a mistake.

Then you go figure out how that happened. You would best be able to answer that question.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-10-2019 02:47
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tmiddles wrote:
I don't even understand what you [IBdaMann] think is a right or left issue on this one? It's great that the birth rate dropped. Celebrate! We'd be screwed otherwise.

God's grace the growth rate didn't stay at 2% per annum:

Pop. now = 1960 Pop. x (1.02)^60
= 3 billion x (1.02)^60

ln (Pop. now) = ln 3 billion + 60 ln 1.02
60 ln 1.02 = 60 x 0.0198026
= 1.18816

Pop. now = 3 billion x exp 1.18896
≈ 9.8 billion

An extra 2.1 billion mouths over where we're at today. The growth rate is 1% now. But it's growing from a larger base, 7.7 billion, so more babies are born each year than in 1960 despite half the growth rate. Demographic momentum ensures the population would continue rising quite a while even if fertility went below replacement. Stabilization is delayed until the older generations die off.

Most growth is in crummy African and Southwestern Asian countries where your kids are your Social Security because governments do nothing to help retirees. As kids may leave the village, refuse to support parents, end up poor themselves, or die early, mothers have every incentive to have 5 to guarantee 2 will remain around after the years roll on. It ain't a left-right issue by any route, and even if the hungrier mouths aren't driving the F-150s (with masher grille) popular in Utah, they're chopping trees to burn the wood—and promote bacteria and fungi that release CO2, CH4 and N2O, all of which relish denuded forests.

Unfortunately, Putin was right that poor countries will have to use oil—which he'll supply, to develop. They can't afford solar panels & windmills their terrorists will target anyway, and the world may actually have to emit more CO2 for time being if it wants to emit less in the long run. Development is crucial to achieving political stability and levelling off our rabbit-like human numbers, which is in turn crucial to any environmental success.

World-O-Meters
(Watch population whirl on an odometer)
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/


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10-10-2019 14:45
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VernerHornung wrote:
An extra 2.1 billion mouths over where we're at today...

Yeah it's an amazing development and thank God for it!! The thing that exposes every doom and gloom environmental alarmist for being uninformed is that not only do they not discuss it they are largely ignorant of it or convinced its not true. I think it's the single biggest story of the last 100 years.

Also amazing it just happened, unregulated. From the birth control pill to general prosperity all the stars aligned and none too soon.


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10-10-2019 23:37
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tmiddles wrote:
The thing that exposes every doom and gloom environmental alarmist for being uninformed is that not only do they not discuss it they are largely ignorant of it or convinced its not true. I think it's the single biggest story of the last 100 years.

We can understand Greta's only 16 and on her first environmental fad. I'm old enough to have witnessed four of them come and three leave the stage. Curious how you can't even find a copy of The Population Bomb (Paul Ehrlich) anymore. Pesticides morphed from birds with soft-shelled eggs to GMO Frankenfoods on the margin and WWIII burst when the Wall fell and they closed the test sites. All are still serious issues, but none mean instant doom.

We've another tale of woe, just the substance is now CO2. At least Greta has enough warning to sail the Atlantic on tour. We Cold War young'uns expected to have minutes and I still rate nuclear weapons a graver threat to the globe than climate change. The faddism scatters our approach to problems, leading to a huge UN bureaucracy worrying over CO2 amid seeming unconcern with the fact that Trump's throwing the arms control treaties out the window. Then we have those cross-fiddles, Antinukes denying us a carbon-free, on-demand power source while they condemn Poland for burning coal.

We need a balance. Yes, fossil fuels will have to be curbed lest production declines choke our economy or CO2 accumulate to the point a real climate adversity ensues. Yet IPCC doesn't even have energy on its plate. There's a mix of universal health care, education, food security, women, Indigenous people and access to energy, the last of which will actually cause more CO2. These are desirable social goods in poor countries—I'm not stone-hearted about human needs—but they're not what IPCC should be focused on, which is research on how to develop a cleaner power picture.


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11-10-2019 12:39
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VernerHornung wrote:...environmental fad...Pesticides morphed from birds with soft-shelled eggs to GMO Frankenfoods...
Yeah there is a definite flavor of the month pattern. My theory is that humans are wired for a dragon slayer mentality. The BIG FOE is always described with equal gravity it seems and for all political groups. Terrorism, Communism, Environmentalism, Social Justice, Heresy, there's always something to hang your helmet on.

VernerHornung wrote:
...I still rate nuclear weapons a graver threat to the globe than climate change....
Yeah we've seen how organized crime can have their own private arsenal in Russia. That could happen anywhere. We're still at 2 minutes to midnight:
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

VernerHornung wrote:...IPCC doesn't even have energy on its plate....

I think it's fair to say the discredit themselves by straying from their area of focus. They should ONLY talk about thing they thing are factors in the climate and that's all. The social policies are for others to discuss.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them
11-10-2019 21:10
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VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
The thing that exposes every doom and gloom environmental alarmist for being uninformed is that not only do they not discuss it they are largely ignorant of it or convinced its not true. I think it's the single biggest story of the last 100 years.

We can understand Greta's only 16 and on her first environmental fad.

Just another member of the New Fascist Youth.
VernerHornung wrote:
I'm old enough to have witnessed four of them come and three leave the stage. Curious how you can't even find a copy of The Population Bomb (Paul Ehrlich) anymore.
Pesticides morphed from birds with soft-shelled eggs
to GMO Frankenfoods
on the margin and WWIII burst when the Wall fell and they closed the test sites.
All are still serious issues, but none mean instant doom.

None of these were ever serious issues.
VernerHornung wrote:
We've another tale of woe, just the substance is now CO2.

CO2 is not a tale of woe.
VernerHornung wrote:
At least Greta has enough warning to sail the Atlantic on tour. We Cold War young'uns expected to have minutes and I still rate nuclear weapons a graver threat to the globe than climate change. The faddism scatters our approach to problems, leading to a huge UN bureaucracy worrying over CO2 amid seeming unconcern with the fact that Trump's throwing the arms control treaties out the window.

No, he's simply acknowledging that the treaties were already broken, and not by the United States.
VernerHornung wrote:
Then we have those cross-fiddles, Antinukes denying us a carbon-free, on-demand power source while they condemn Poland for burning coal.

Nothing wrong with either power source.
VernerHornung wrote:
We need a balance. Yes, fossil fuels will have to be curbed

Fossils aren't use for fuel.
VernerHornung wrote:
lest production declines choke our economy

There is no economy around using fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
VernerHornung wrote:
or CO2 accumulate to the point a real climate adversity ensues.

CO2 is not capable of warming the Earth. Climate cannot change. It is not a quantifiable value.
VernerHornung wrote:
Yet IPCC doesn't even have energy on its plate.

Lie.
VernerHornung wrote:
There's a mix of universal health care, education, food security, women, Indigenous people

Buzzword fallacies. Socialism doesn't work. Racism is a fallacy.
VernerHornung wrote:
and access to energy, the last of which will actually cause more CO2.

Nothing wrong with CO2.
VernerHornung wrote:
These are desirable social goods in poor countries—I'm not stone-hearted about human needs—

Yes you are. You support socialism. You support the theft of wealth.
VernerHornung wrote:
but they're not what IPCC should be focused on, which is research on how to develop a cleaner power picture.

There is nothing dirty about CO2. It is an odorless colorless gas that naturally occurs in the atmosphere.


The Parrot Killer
11-10-2019 21:32
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: I think it's fair to say the discredit themselves by straying from their area of focus. They should ONLY talk about thing they thing are factors in the climate and that's all.

Should they unambiguously define "Climate" at least in terms of how they are using it?

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
12-10-2019 18:00
VernerHornungProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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tmiddles wrote:
The social policies are for others to discuss.

Indeed, but IPCC, a consortium of 195 member governments, tacked on the social agenda from the start (in 1988) as the less-developed world insisted on it. At least their First Assessment Report had said that more research on climate was needed; a mind-numbing schema of "high," "medium" and "low" confidence has developed since then. For physics behind the models, IPCC gives only references to the professional literature. If some basics for the energy balance can found on the web, don't expect an easy hunt. One better item is

Simple Climate Models
Penn State
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo469/node/137

*Beware of typos. The minus sign that should be in front of the A in equation 5 is missing.

All such models, no matter how sophisticated, include "tweaks," that is, constants inserted on an ad hoc basis to make the output fit the observational data. Computer simulation helps scientists gain better insight on how the atmosphere works; we're privileged to have computers when Svante Arrhenius & Max Planck had only slide rules or tables. I'm unwilling to make multitrillion-dollar policy bets from the models, however.

Into the Night wrote:
Just another member of the New Fascist Youth.

Do you really know what that word means? Doubtful. Not too many people read Alfredo Rocco anymore. And the ones crying "fascist" today seem in love with Putin, the man who didn't mind killing 300 innocent civilians in the Moscow apartment block bombings of 1999 to get himself elected president and the one who poisoned Alexander Litvinenko with radioactive tea. Not to mention the murder of his political rival Boris Nemtsov on a Moscow bridge 4 years ago, along with an attempted nerve agent poisoning in London.

Current level of discourse on Twitter encourages the recent trashing of an autistic teen as a "fascist." It rankles me. Greta's misled in a big way by the older gents taking advantage of her naiveté, but she's hardly a Hitlerite.

Into the Night wrote:
Yes you are. You support socialism. You support the theft of wealth.

If you don't like "socialism," you can always go live on an island and hire your own goons to defend your wealth from those who'd really want to steal it, and another squad to enforce the contracts you sign with business partners, a thing businesses rely on the courts to do here. And your own R&D crew for the basic research that comes from public universities.

The mixed economy is what sane people prefer. Legitimate controversy exists over what the proper functions of government versus private industry should be, and I've seen a lot of creeping federal encroachment over the years I object to. But the world of 1790 Daily Caller's patriots imagine isn't about to return. Even back in the day it was never the way these blokes think it was; you'll never hear anything on the Whiskey Rebellion from them.

As for Brazil or Angola, it's up to those countries to decide how much socialism they want at home.


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12-10-2019 18:38
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VernerHornung wrote:Simple Climate Models
Penn State
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo469/node/137

VernerHornung, this is funny and you're probably going to laugh ... actually everybody should get a chuckle out of this ...

Do you know what's not at that link? That's right! Models. There are no models at the link you posted for models. Now I know that you actually looked at the site to which you linked because you made some comments about it.

So I have to ask, do you even know what the word "model" means? You clearly believe that the word "model" means "calculation."

That's pretty embarrassing. I certainly hope you don't go around implying that others don't know what words mean. That would be some serious projection.

VernerHornung wrote: Do you really know what that word means? Doubtful.

Oooops. You did. You're not doing too well in this post. Into the Night is completely correct, it's just that your reading comprehension is so poor that you didn't understand what he wrote. Instead of implying that he doesn't know something, you should recognize that it is you who is an ignorant moron who can't fully grasp simple words and politely ask for clarification on those points you don't understand. It's easy and you won't embarrass yourself.

Watch.

"Into the Night, could you explain why little miss idiot is a 'fascist youth'?"

You see. Piece of cake. It's a guarantee that he'll answer your question and you won't have to flail in embarrassing frustration.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
12-10-2019 19:24
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Just another member of the New Fascist Youth.

Do you really know what that word means?

Fascism is an economic system of government control of businesses and wealth through the use of regulations and laws, but keeping ownership of those businesses and wealth private. The word was coined by Mussolini to describe his economic system of Italy. It is a form of socialism, and a step on the way to communism. The concept of governments forcing people and taking their own decisions out of their hands is thousands of years old. Karl Marx proposed this particular form of it, and sold it to many leaders of the world, including both Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, and Stalin. Each leader implemented socialism in their own way.
VernerHornung wrote:
Doubtful. Not too many people read Alfredo Rocco anymore.

Irrelevant.
VernerHornung wrote:
And the ones crying "fascist" today seem in love with Putin,

I have no love for Putin. Neither does Trump.
VernerHornung wrote:
the man who didn't mind killing 300 innocent civilians in the Moscow apartment block bombings of 1999 to get himself elected president and the one who poisoned Alexander Litvinenko with radioactive tea. Not to mention the murder of his political rival Boris Nemtsov on a Moscow bridge 4 years ago, along with an attempted nerve agent poisoning in London.

Some of the many reasons. why.
VernerHornung wrote:
Current level of discourse on Twitter encourages the recent trashing of an autistic teen as a "fascist." It rankles me.

It should. Fascists using her in this way is akin to the Hitler Youth. Using children like this is sick.
VernerHornung wrote:
Greta's misled in a big way by the older gents taking advantage of her naiveté, but she's hardly a Hitlerite.

Fascism isn't just Hitler. It's an economic system. It is everywhere, even in the United States, even though such elements are unconstitutional here.
VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Yes you are. You support socialism. You support the theft of wealth.

If you don't like "socialism," you can always go live on an island

No need. But I will fight it where I see it.
VernerHornung wrote:
and hire your own goons to defend your wealth from those who'd really want to steal it,

We already have. They are called 'police'.
VernerHornung wrote:
and another squad to enforce the contracts you sign with business partners,

We already have. They are called 'civil lawsuits'.
VernerHornung wrote:
a thing businesses rely on the courts to do here.

Yup. That's not socialism or fascism.
VernerHornung wrote:
And your own R&D crew for the basic research that comes from public universities.

Public education is communism. No one owns any school or university in public education. It is all owned and controlled by the government. The Constitution of the United States never authorized the federal government this power. You will not even see the word 'education' anywhere in the Constitution.
VernerHornung wrote:
The mixed economy is what sane people prefer.

Bigotry. YALIF.
VernerHornung wrote:
Legitimate controversy exists over what the proper functions of government versus private industry should be,

No. The United States is organized as a federated republic. The constitutions declare and define governments and what authority they have.
VernerHornung wrote:
and I've seen a lot of creeping federal encroachment over the years I object to.

Because they have exceeded their authority. They never had any authority to begin with for most of what the federal government does.
VernerHornung wrote:
But the world of 1790 Daily Caller's patriots imagine isn't about to return.

Irrelevant. The Constitution of the United States still exists. It is worth defending it.


The Parrot Killer
12-10-2019 19:26
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
"Into the Night, could you explain why little miss idiot is a 'fascist youth'?"


Just did. I assumed he had no idea. He just takes a much longer winded way of coming to the same question.



The Parrot Killer
13-10-2019 21:21
Amanbir Grewal
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now we try and understand the dynamics involving nations.
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14-10-2019 14:41
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:Fossils aren't use for fuel.
God you waste space ITN

IBdaMann wrote:define "Climate"
They're good. Temperature of Earth at ground level (where we live).

VernerHornung wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
The social policies are for others to discuss.

Indeed, but IPCC, a consortium of 195 member governments, tacked on the social agenda ...
Sorta reminds me of the nutrition education being co-opted by the meat and dairy industry with the 4 basic food groups. WHY would you announce to the world a huge conflict of interest from THE center of study. So lame.

VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Just another member of the New Fascist Youth.

Do you really know what that word means? Doubtful.
Maybe he thinks Akhenaten was a fascist for worshiping the Sun and Greta worships her dictator the Climate god.

VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Yes you are. You support socialism.

The mixed economy is what sane people prefer.
Well said. I think some weirdo's like Peter Thiel actually want to make private countries https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/floating-island-project-pushes-on-without-peter-thiel-s-support

Spoken like a true anarchist ITN.

IBdaMann wrote:
Do you know what's not at that link?
Sums up IBD's contribution to anything.

Into the Night wrote:
Fascism is an economic system of government...
You just love making up your own definitions. I like how "authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power" is totally missing from you definition. You don't get to redefine words ITN! Kindly explain how Greta is a ULTRANATIONALIST!

Amanbir Grewal wrote:
now we try and understand the dynamics involving nations.

You mean of immigration and a longer lifespan?
"United Kingdom/Fertility rate 1.80 births per woman (2016)"

We are also blessed in the US with immigration increasing our population though the birth rate is also 1.8 (you need 2.1 to replace the population)


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14-10-2019 20:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:Fossils aren't use for fuel.
God you waste space ITN

You don't own disk space or memory on this website, dude. You don't get to declare who is 'wasting space'.

tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:define "Climate"
They're good. Temperature of Earth at ground level (where we live).

Climate has no temperature. Climate is a subjective word and not quantifiable, nor is made up of anything quantifiable.
tmiddles wrote:
VernerHornung wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Yes you are. You support socialism.

The mixed economy is what sane people prefer.
Well said. I think some weirdo's like Peter Thiel actually want to make private countries
Spoken like a true anarchist ITN.

Redefinition fallacy (capitalism<->anarchy).
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Fascism is an economic system of government...
You just love making up your own definitions.

I didn't make up that definition. Mussolini did. You can blame Karl Marx, if anyone.
tmiddles wrote:
I like how "authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power" is totally missing from you definition.

Not part of the definition. Redefinition fallacies (fascism<->dictatorship, economy<->dictatorship, globalist<->nationalist).
tmiddles wrote:
You don't get to redefine words ITN!

Inversion fallacy.
tmiddles wrote:
Kindly explain how Greta is a ULTRANATIONALIST!

No need. She isn't. She's a globalist, just like Hitler, just like Stalin, just like Mussolini. She has been manipulated by fascists to promote fascism.

See the Communist Manifesto and the history of WW2.


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