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21-04-2022 16:24
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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seal over wrote:
Easy to find scientific papers

Yet, you haven't found any of them.

seal over wrote:
Most of the papers that can be found through Google Scholar include links to be able to see the entire thing.

Show me.

seal over wrote:
This website is NOT a safe place to open links.

Indeed, climate-debate.com is NOT a "safe space".

seal over wrote:
Some of these people are off their meds.

Maybe you should get back on them?

seal over wrote:
I could never figure out how to post anything here other than typing it in free hand.

It's VERY straight forward, but yes, you can't seem to figure it out.

seal over wrote:
Scientist rarely expect other scientists to do their homework for them.

ScientistS... There should be an 's' at the end.

seal over wrote:
Anyone with honest intellectual curiosity can locate papers given just a little information.

Show me these papers of which you speak... or can't you locate them?

seal over wrote:
Anyone who claims to be a credible scientist learned how to do this in college.

Show me these "scientific papers" of which you speak.

seal over wrote:
Sorry, that was just a response to being called a "liar"

You are a liar.

seal over wrote:
because I won't provide a link,

... because you are a liar who can't actually find these "easy to find" "scientific papers".

seal over wrote:
which I don't even know how to post, because it wasn't enough to give them the year, publication, volume, and page numbers.

You don't know how to copy/paste the text that is in an address bar?

Even though that isn't providing a clickable link, that's at least providing the text that a person can then copy/paste into their own address bar and make use of. It's a bit more work than if a clickable link is provided, but it still works all the same.

seal over wrote:
But the purpose of this thread is to help others learn how to do their own homework.

It may be some weeks before this one gets followed up on.

How can you help someone do something when YOU don't even know how to do it?
RE: "Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.08-05-2022 02:02
sealover
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"Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.

scholar.google.com scours the Internet for you, and keeps out the riff raff.

Peer reviewed scientific papers from credible journals can be found with just ONE website, and a few keywords.

More often than not, there will also be a link to a pdf file of the entire paper.

It is EASY for those with honest intellectual curiosity.

Well go through some useful examples in the coming days and years.

Out of respect for the idea that we should perhaps remain anonymous, I wasn't going to be the one to post a link to papers with my name as first author.

They are EASY to find, and we'll go through them all.

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IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:Easy to find scientific papers

... and yet you fail at finding ANY of the papers you want to post.

Get back to us when you can find the documents you want others to read and post the link.

You've got to be a moron to ask people to scour the internet for documents that you can't even find!

Too funny.
08-05-2022 02:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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What do we have here? Yet ANOTHER post by squeal over professing his inability to find any of the articles he claims are so easy to find?

What direct conclusion can any rational adult immediately draw?

Let's count the number of links he provides below, to articles he wants us to read:

sealover wrote:
"Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.

scholar.google.com scours the Internet for you, and keeps out the riff raff.

Peer reviewed scientific papers from credible journals can be found with just ONE website, and a few keywords.

More often than not, there will also be a link to a pdf file of the entire paper.

It is EASY for those with honest intellectual curiosity.

Well go through some useful examples in the coming days and years.

Out of respect for the idea that we should perhaps remain anonymous, I wasn't going to be the one to post a link to papers with my name as first author.

They are EASY to find, and we'll go through them all.


Would you look at that ... as easy as it is supposed to be, he apparently couldn't find a single one.

Too funny!

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RE: Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.08-05-2022 02:48
sealover
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Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.

Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

Use the keywords "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter"

You will see at the top of the list a paper with a academia pdf link.

Open the link to see the entire paper.

This example will be used to show how a CONTRARIAN assertion regarding the dominant paradigm is made within the scientific community.

They thought they had the nitrogen cycle all figured out a LONG time ago.

They thought it was an absolute fact that organic forms of nitrogen in decaying organic matter (amino acids, etc.) had to be mineralized to ammonium or nitrate before plants could take it up.

Turns out now, 27 years and 750 citations later, that a LOT of plants get their nitrogen supplied to them by mycorrhizal fungi capable of short circuiting the mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle.

But the extraordinary contrarian assertion required extraordinary objective evidence to be presented.

Even then, it took decades to confirm that the falsifiable hypothesis produced a reproducible result when others tested it.

Only THEN can an extraordinary contrarian assertion claim credibility.

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sealover wrote:
"Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.

scholar.google.com scours the Internet for you, and keeps out the riff raff.

Peer reviewed scientific papers from credible journals can be found with just ONE website, and a few keywords.

More often than not, there will also be a link to a pdf file of the entire paper.

It is EASY for those with honest intellectual curiosity.

Well go through some useful examples in the coming days and years.

Out of respect for the idea that we should perhaps remain anonymous, I wasn't going to be the one to post a link to papers with my name as first author.

They are EASY to find, and we'll go through them all.

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IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:Easy to find scientific papers

... and yet you fail at finding ANY of the papers you want to post.

Get back to us when you can find the documents you want others to read and post the link.

You've got to be a moron to ask people to scour the internet for documents that you can't even find!

Too funny.
08-05-2022 03:11
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.
Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

You couldn't find this one either, eh?
RE: Example #1 - Full Disclosure09-05-2022 04:40
sealover
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Example #1 - Full Disclosure

In the same issue of Nature was a separate "news and reviews" essay by Terry Chapin. Title: New cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Scientific journals such as Nature often highlight the papers in each issue that are expected to be of greatest interest.

A respected expert writes a review about the significance of the new paper.

sealover did NOT prove the new cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Were that the case, the paper would have been cited 75000 rather than 750 times by now.

One valuable feature of Google Scholar is that it shows how many times the paper has been cited by other papers in credible peer-reviewed scientific journals.

If you click on the number of times cited for the "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter", you get a list of the papers that cited it.

Each paper on that list shows how many times it has been cited.

Every paper in the first pages of papers on the list has been cited thousands of times.

Far more than the meager 750 for sealover's paper.

What it did prove was that pine needle chemistry minimizes the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate, and causes dissolved organic nitrogen to be the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in nitrogen fluxes.

People didn't even bother measuring dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) before that.

Turns out the DON is the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in many surface waters, and is a significant vehicle of nitrogen transport in most surface waters.

Before that, they had only been measuring ammonium and nitrate.

They've gone back to the records now to estimate how much nitrogen they missed.

Typically guesstimating that it was a minimum of 1:10, they add a new data column showing the minimum underestimate of total nitrogen.

With more specific data for the typical ratio of DON
ammonium + nitrate) of a specific surface water, they can make better guesstimates.

Meanwhile, they've made a point to always actually MEASURE DON as well in ongoing monitoring.

The first sentence of Example #1:

The importance of dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) in ecosystem nutrient fluxes and plant nutrition is only beginning to be appreciated."

I didn't prove jack about the plant nutrition or new cog in the nitrogen cycle part.

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sealover wrote:
Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.

Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

Use the keywords "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter"

You will see at the top of the list a paper with a academia pdf link.

Open the link to see the entire paper.

This example will be used to show how a CONTRARIAN assertion regarding the dominant paradigm is made within the scientific community.

They thought they had the nitrogen cycle all figured out a LONG time ago.

They thought it was an absolute fact that organic forms of nitrogen in decaying organic matter (amino acids, etc.) had to be mineralized to ammonium or nitrate before plants could take it up.

Turns out now, 27 years and 750 citations later, that a LOT of plants get their nitrogen supplied to them by mycorrhizal fungi capable of short circuiting the mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle.

But the extraordinary contrarian assertion required extraordinary objective evidence to be presented.

Even then, it took decades to confirm that the falsifiable hypothesis produced a reproducible result when others tested it.

Only THEN can an extraordinary contrarian assertion claim credibility.

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sealover wrote:
"Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.

scholar.google.com scours the Internet for you, and keeps out the riff raff.

Peer reviewed scientific papers from credible journals can be found with just ONE website, and a few keywords.

More often than not, there will also be a link to a pdf file of the entire paper.

It is EASY for those with honest intellectual curiosity.

Well go through some useful examples in the coming days and years.

Out of respect for the idea that we should perhaps remain anonymous, I wasn't going to be the one to post a link to papers with my name as first author.

They are EASY to find, and we'll go through them all.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:Easy to find scientific papers

... and yet you fail at finding ANY of the papers you want to post.

Get back to us when you can find the documents you want others to read and post the link.

You've got to be a moron to ask people to scour the internet for documents that you can't even find!

Too funny.
RE: Example #1 - The Global Warming Connection.09-05-2022 04:49
sealover
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Example #1 - The Global Warming Connection.

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.

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sealover wrote:
Example #1 - Full Disclosure

In the same issue of Nature was a separate "news and reviews" essay by Terry Chapin. Title: New cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Scientific journals such as Nature often highlight the papers in each issue that are expected to be of greatest interest.

A respected expert writes a review about the significance of the new paper.

sealover did NOT prove the new cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Were that the case, the paper would have been cited 75000 rather than 750 times by now.

One valuable feature of Google Scholar is that it shows how many times the paper has been cited by other papers in credible peer-reviewed scientific journals.

If you click on the number of times cited for the "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter", you get a list of the papers that cited it.

Each paper on that list shows how many times it has been cited.

Every paper in the first pages of papers on the list has been cited thousands of times.

Far more than the meager 750 for sealover's paper.

What it did prove was that pine needle chemistry minimizes the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate, and causes dissolved organic nitrogen to be the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in nitrogen fluxes.

People didn't even bother measuring dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) before that.

Turns out the DON is the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in many surface waters, and is a significant vehicle of nitrogen transport in most surface waters.

Before that, they had only been measuring ammonium and nitrate.

They've gone back to the records now to estimate how much nitrogen they missed.

Typically guesstimating that it was a minimum of 1:10, they add a new data column showing the minimum underestimate of total nitrogen.

With more specific data for the typical ratio of DON
ammonium + nitrate) of a specific surface water, they can make better guesstimates.

Meanwhile, they've made a point to always actually MEASURE DON as well in ongoing monitoring.

The first sentence of Example #1:

The importance of dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) in ecosystem nutrient fluxes and plant nutrition is only beginning to be appreciated."

I didn't prove jack about the plant nutrition or new cog in the nitrogen cycle part.

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sealover wrote:
Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.

Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

Use the keywords "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter"

You will see at the top of the list a paper with a academia pdf link.

Open the link to see the entire paper.

This example will be used to show how a CONTRARIAN assertion regarding the dominant paradigm is made within the scientific community.

They thought they had the nitrogen cycle all figured out a LONG time ago.

They thought it was an absolute fact that organic forms of nitrogen in decaying organic matter (amino acids, etc.) had to be mineralized to ammonium or nitrate before plants could take it up.

Turns out now, 27 years and 750 citations later, that a LOT of plants get their nitrogen supplied to them by mycorrhizal fungi capable of short circuiting the mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle.

But the extraordinary contrarian assertion required extraordinary objective evidence to be presented.

Even then, it took decades to confirm that the falsifiable hypothesis produced a reproducible result when others tested it.

Only THEN can an extraordinary contrarian assertion claim credibility.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

sealover wrote:
"Scour the Internet" with just ONE website.

scholar.google.com scours the Internet for you, and keeps out the riff raff.

Peer reviewed scientific papers from credible journals can be found with just ONE website, and a few keywords.

More often than not, there will also be a link to a pdf file of the entire paper.

It is EASY for those with honest intellectual curiosity.

Well go through some useful examples in the coming days and years.

Out of respect for the idea that we should perhaps remain anonymous, I wasn't going to be the one to post a link to papers with my name as first author.

They are EASY to find, and we'll go through them all.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:Easy to find scientific papers

... and yet you fail at finding ANY of the papers you want to post.

Get back to us when you can find the documents you want others to read and post the link.

You've got to be a moron to ask people to scour the internet for documents that you can't even find!

Too funny.
09-05-2022 05:00
James_
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Most people won't know the difference between nitrogen dioxide and nitrous oxide. How is NO2 different from N2O?


sealover wrote:
Example #1 - The Global Warming Connection.

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.

RE: Nitrous Oxide, Nitrogen Dioxide - Gaseous NOx.09-05-2022 05:43
sealover
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Nitrous Oxide, Nitrogen Dioxide - Gaseous NOx.

The most important similarity between nitrous oxide and nitrogen dioxide is that they are both gaseous compounds comprised of nitrogen and oxygen, and that they are both involved in the chemistry of the stratosphere.

Generically referred to as NOx, they are part of a long list of nitrogen and oxygen combinations.

In this context, the most important difference between NO2 and N2O is that only one of them is the dominant by product NOx from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by bacteria under low oxygen conditions. Much smaller amounts of nitrogen oxide, NO, are also emitted as a by product of nitrate reduction.

Only one of them appears on every short list of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, after carbon dioxide and methane. Nitrogen dioxide gets occasional mention among the other generic NOx's produced at the tiniest rates, and occurring in the tiniest concentrations in the atmosphere.

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James_ wrote:
Most people won't know the difference between nitrogen dioxide and nitrous oxide. How is NO2 different from N2O?


sealover wrote:
Example #1 - The Global Warming Connection.

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.

09-05-2022 05:51
Spongy Iris
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sealover wrote:

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.



If you have a pet cat indoors, pine litter is a must. Otherwise you can never get rid of that ammonia smell of cat urine. Pine litter will keep your place free of the odor of cat urine.


09-05-2022 06:01
James_
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Some people won't get what you said. But if you are right it is what pet owners need to know. My cat Salem goes outside. Witches and warlocks have nothing to do with her name.
What sealover might find interesting is that the hydrocarbon NOx along with SOx (another hydrocarbon) allows for polar stratospheric clouds to form (holes in the ozone layer). While I am not a warlock and will not name a cat after a witches cat (Sabrina), I do understand how chemicals react.


Spongy Iris wrote:
sealover wrote:

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.



If you have a pet cat indoors, pine litter is a must. Otherwise you can never get rid of that ammonia smell of cat urine. Pine litter will keep your place free of the odor of cat urine.
RE: Pine needles for cat litter and livestock bedding.09-05-2022 06:02
sealover
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Pine needles for cat litter and livestock bedding.

Hello, Spongy Iris.

The same chemical properties that make pine needles good for the kitty litter box have always made them good for livestock bedding.

They immobilize the nitrogen from the livestock urine and inhibit urease enzyme from transforming urea into ammonia.

Historically, that livestock bedding - nutrient rich mix of pine needles, feces, and urine was applied to the field as slow release fertilizer compost. No need for manure lagoons or risk of contaminating waters.

If you use your kitty litter in the garden, just be sure to either bury it or set it aside to fully decompose before applying on the surface.

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Spongy Iris wrote:
sealover wrote:

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.



If you have a pet cat indoors, pine litter is a must. Otherwise you can never get rid of that ammonia smell of cat urine. Pine litter will keep your place free of the odor of cat urine.
09-05-2022 06:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Pine needles for cat litter and livestock bedding.

The same chemical properties that make pine needles good for the kitty litter box have always made them good for livestock bedding.

They immobilize the nitrogen from the livestock urine and inhibit urease enzyme from transforming urea into ammonia.

Historically, that livestock bedding - nutrient rich mix of pine needles, feces, and urine was applied to the field as slow release fertilizer compost. No need for manure lagoons or risk of contaminating waters.

If you use your kitty litter in the garden, just be sure to either bury it or set it aside to fully decompose before applying on the surface.

This is a great post. Informative, no buzzwords, no preaching, just sharing good information and personal knowledge. Awesome.
09-05-2022 16:48
gfm7175Profile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:
Pine needles for cat litter and livestock bedding.

The same chemical properties that make pine needles good for the kitty litter box have always made them good for livestock bedding.

They immobilize the nitrogen from the livestock urine and inhibit urease enzyme from transforming urea into ammonia.

Historically, that livestock bedding - nutrient rich mix of pine needles, feces, and urine was applied to the field as slow release fertilizer compost. No need for manure lagoons or risk of contaminating waters.

If you use your kitty litter in the garden, just be sure to either bury it or set it aside to fully decompose before applying on the surface.

This is a great post. Informative, no buzzwords, no preaching, just sharing good information and personal knowledge. Awesome.

WHOAAAA... Squeal over posted that?? Consider my mind blown...

This is also yet another example of why I will never ever use any sort of ignore feature even on the trolliest of trolls.
RE: "You only get one chance to make a first impression" - old saying09-05-2022 19:31
sealover
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"You only get one chance to make a first impression" - old saying.

In an open forum such as this, where there is no moderator, posters can get away with publishing claims that make a very strong first impression.

Where is that "ignore" feature?

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gfm7175 wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
sealover wrote:
Pine needles for cat litter and livestock bedding.

The same chemical properties that make pine needles good for the kitty litter box have always made them good for livestock bedding.

They immobilize the nitrogen from the livestock urine and inhibit urease enzyme from transforming urea into ammonia.

Historically, that livestock bedding - nutrient rich mix of pine needles, feces, and urine was applied to the field as slow release fertilizer compost. No need for manure lagoons or risk of contaminating waters.

If you use your kitty litter in the garden, just be sure to either bury it or set it aside to fully decompose before applying on the surface.

This is a great post. Informative, no buzzwords, no preaching, just sharing good information and personal knowledge. Awesome.

WHOAAAA... Squeal over posted that?? Consider my mind blown...

This is also yet another example of why I will never ever use any sort of ignore feature even on the trolliest of trolls.
10-05-2022 03:08
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.

Not a chemical.
sealover wrote:
Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

Use the keywords "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter"

You will see at the top of the list a paper with a academia pdf link.

Open the link to see the entire paper.

A paper is not a proof.
sealover wrote:
This example will be used to show how a CONTRARIAN assertion regarding the dominant paradigm is made within the scientific community.

Science is not a community.
sealover wrote:
They thought they had the nitrogen cycle all figured out a LONG time ago.

They thought it was an absolute fact that organic forms of nitrogen in decaying organic matter (amino acids, etc.) had to be mineralized to ammonium or nitrate before plants could take it up.

Who are 'they'?? There is no chemical called 'ammonium' or 'nitrate'. Nitrogen isn't organic.
sealover wrote:
Turns out now, 27 years and 750 citations later, that a LOT of plants get their nitrogen supplied to them by mycorrhizal fungi capable of short circuiting the mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle.

Nitrogen isn't a mineral.
sealover wrote:
But the extraordinary contrarian assertion required extraordinary objective evidence to be presented.

Even then, it took decades to confirm that the falsifiable hypothesis produced a reproducible result when others tested it.

Only THEN can an extraordinary contrarian assertion claim credibility.

You can't confirm or deny a hypothesis. They simply exist.
You cannot prove any theory True.
All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology. An observation is not a proof.


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10-05-2022 03:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Example #1 - Full Disclosure

In the same issue of Nature was a separate "news and reviews" essay by Terry Chapin. Title: New cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Scientific journals such as Nature often highlight the papers in each issue that are expected to be of greatest interest.

Science is not a magazine or a paper.
sealover wrote:
A respected expert writes a review about the significance of the new paper.

Science is not 'experts'. 'Expert' worship.
sealover wrote:
sealover did NOT prove the new cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Were that the case, the paper would have been cited 75000 rather than 750 times by now.

Science is not like/dislikes counters.
sealover wrote:
One valuable feature of Google Scholar is that it shows how many times the paper has been cited by other papers in credible peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.
sealover wrote:
If you click on the number of times cited for the "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter", you get a list of the papers that cited it.

Each paper on that list shows how many times it has been cited.

Science is not a paper nor like/dislike counters.
sealover wrote:
Every paper in the first pages of papers on the list has been cited thousands of times.

Far more than the meager 750 for sealover's paper.

Making shit up again. You are a nothing.
sealover wrote:
What it did prove

A paper is not a proof. Science has NO proofs. It is an open functional system. Proofs are only available on closed functional systems, such as mathematics or logic.
sealover wrote:
was that pine needle chemistry

Pine needles are not chemistry.
sealover wrote:
minimizes the mineralization of organic nitrogen

Nitrogen is not organic. It is not a mineral.
sealover wrote:
to ammonium or nitrate,

No such chemicals.
sealover wrote:
and causes dissolved organic nitrogen

Nitrogen is not organic.
sealover wrote:
to be the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in nitrogen fluxes.

Babble.
sealover wrote:
People didn't even bother measuring dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) before that.

Nitrogen is not organic.
sealover wrote:
Turns out the DON is the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in many surface waters, and is a significant vehicle of nitrogen transport in most surface waters.

Nitrogen is not a transportation device.
sealover wrote:
Before that, they had only been measuring ammonium and nitrate.

No such chemicals.
sealover wrote:
They've gone back to the records now to estimate how much nitrogen they missed.

Nitrogen is a gas.
sealover wrote:
Typically guesstimating that it was a minimum of 1:10, they add a new data column showing the minimum underestimate of total nitrogen.

Nitrogen is a gas. It is approximately 78 percent of the atmosphere. It is not possible to measure the global nitrogen density. The number I gave is an estimate.
sealover wrote:
With more specific data for the typical ratio of DON
ammonium + nitrate) of a specific surface water, they can make better guesstimates.

Nitrogen is not organic. No such chemicals.
sealover wrote:
Meanwhile, they've made a point to always actually MEASURE DON as well in ongoing monitoring.

Nitrogen is not organic.
sealover wrote:
The first sentence of Example #1:

The importance of dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) in ecosystem nutrient fluxes and plant nutrition is only beginning to be appreciated."

Define 'ecosystem'. Nitrogen is not organic.
sealover wrote:
I didn't prove jack about the plant nutrition or new cog in the nitrogen cycle part.

Buzzwords are not a proof.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
10-05-2022 03:24
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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sealover wrote:
Example #1 - The Global Warming Connection.

Polyphenols in pine litter minimize the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate.

This minimizes emission of nitrous oxide from dissimilatory nitrate reduction by microorganisms.

Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas that has more than two hundred times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide.


No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are STILL ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy out of nothing.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
RE: Example #1 - The unsupported mycorrhizal connection.11-05-2022 22:07
Im a BM
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Example #1 - The unsupported mycorrhizal connection.

In the abstract of the "Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter" paper, published in the journal Nature (1995), one of the sentences says:

"Apparently, this feedback to soil conditions controls the dominant form in which litter nitrogen is mobilized, facilitating nitrogen recovery through pine-mycorrhizal associations..."

Inside joke: IdaBM had no difficulty "scouring the Internet" to find this abstract and attempt to criticize it. Nobody had to give him a link on a silver platter.

The paper provided conclusive evidence for the first part of the sentence. There was irrefutable feedback along a soil chemistry gradient, with polyphenol concentration doubling along a three point gradient. There was irrefutable proof that this controlled the proportion of litter nitrogen released in organic versus mineral form.

But some of my colleagues were enraged that I was allowed to publish the second part of that sentence.

I hadn't even confirmed WHICH mycorrhizal fungi were associated with the Pinus muricata (Bishop pine).

Bruce Caldwell had already published compelling evidence that Amanita muscaria associated with a different pine species could short circuit the nitrogen cycle in this manner. We saw plenty of Amanita muscaria around the Bishop pine, but didn't prove them to be symbiotic partners.

David Read had already published compelling evidence that Ericaceous plants with the unique ericoid mycorrhizal fungi actually mobilized organic nitrogen from protein-tannin complexes (tannins are polyphenols), unambiguously short circuiting the nitrogen cycle so that organic nitrogen is never mineralized before plants take it back up again.

But pines are gymnosperms and ericaceous plants are angiosperms.

And ericoid mycorrhizal fungi are quite different than those associated with pines.

I didn't prove any of that with the Bishop pines.

Some of my friends were pissed at me, and at the journal, for allowing me to simply speculate with an educated guess what was probably happening.

Scientists fight almost as much as Internet trolls do.

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[quote]sealover wrote:
Example #1 - Full Disclosure

In the same issue of Nature was a separate "news and reviews" essay by Terry Chapin. Title: New cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Scientific journals such as Nature often highlight the papers in each issue that are expected to be of greatest interest.

A respected expert writes a review about the significance of the new paper.

sealover did NOT prove the new cog in the nitrogen cycle.

Were that the case, the paper would have been cited 75000 rather than 750 times by now.

One valuable feature of Google Scholar is that it shows how many times the paper has been cited by other papers in credible peer-reviewed scientific journals.

If you click on the number of times cited for the "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter", you get a list of the papers that cited it.

Each paper on that list shows how many times it has been cited.

Every paper in the first pages of papers on the list has been cited thousands of times.

Far more than the meager 750 for sealover's paper.

What it did prove was that pine needle chemistry minimizes the mineralization of organic nitrogen to ammonium or nitrate, and causes dissolved organic nitrogen to be the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in nitrogen fluxes.

People didn't even bother measuring dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) before that.

Turns out the DON is the dominant vehicle of nitrogen transport in many surface waters, and is a significant vehicle of nitrogen transport in most surface waters.

Before that, they had only been measuring ammonium and nitrate.

They've gone back to the records now to estimate how much nitrogen they missed.

Typically guesstimating that it was a minimum of 1:10, they add a new data column showing the minimum underestimate of total nitrogen.

With more specific data for the typical ratio of DON
ammonium + nitrate) of a specific surface water, they can make better guesstimates.

Meanwhile, they've made a point to always actually MEASURE DON as well in ongoing monitoring.

The first sentence of Example #1:

The importance of dissolved organic nitrogen (DON) in ecosystem nutrient fluxes and plant nutrition is only beginning to be appreciated."

I didn't prove jack about the plant nutrition or new cog in the nitrogen cycle part.

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[quote]sealover wrote:
Example #1 Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter.

Go to scholar.google.com It is a safe website to open links in.

Use the keywords "polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter"

You will see at the top of the list a paper with a academia pdf link.

Open the link to see the entire paper.

This example will be used to show how a CONTRARIAN assertion regarding the dominant paradigm is made within the scientific community.

They thought they had the nitrogen cycle all figured out a LONG time ago.

They thought it was an absolute fact that organic forms of nitrogen in decaying organic matter (amino acids, etc.) had to be mineralized to ammonium or nitrate before plants could take it up.

Turns out now, 27 years and 750 citations later, that a LOT of plants get their nitrogen supplied to them by mycorrhizal fungi capable of short circuiting the mineralization step of the nitrogen cycle.

But the extraordinary contrarian assertion required extraordinary objective evidence to be presented.

Even then, it took decades to confirm that the falsifiable hypothesis produced a reproducible result when others tested it.

Only THEN can an extraordinary contrarian assertion claim credibility.

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11-05-2022 23:23
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Im a BM wrote:
Example #1 - The unsupported mycorrhizal connection.

In the abstract of the "Polyphenol control of nitrogen release from pine litter" paper, published in the journal Nature (1995), one of the sentences says:

"Apparently, this feedback to soil conditions controls the dominant form in which litter nitrogen is mobilized, facilitating nitrogen recovery through pine-mycorrhizal associations..."

Inside joke: IdaBM had no difficulty "scouring the Internet" to find this abstract and attempt to criticize it. Nobody had to give him a link on a silver platter.
He did criticize it.
Im a BM wrote:
The paper provided conclusive evidence
Papers are not evidence or a proof.
Im a BM wrote:
for the first part of the sentence. There was irrefutable feedback along a soil chemistry gradient, with polyphenol concentration doubling along a three point gradient. There was irrefutable proof that this controlled the proportion of litter nitrogen released in organic versus mineral form.
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Gibber-babble is not a proof.
Im a BM wrote:
But some of my colleagues were enraged that I was allowed to publish the second part of that sentence.
You are a nothing. You have no degree that's worth anything. Making up stories about yourself isn't going to wash.


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