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Ending climate change requires the end of capitalism


Ending climate change requires the end of capitalism18-03-2019 15:16
Tai Hai Chen
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism
18-03-2019 15:19
James___
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism

Of course, addressing Climate Change requires ending capitalism because that was the whole purpose for creating the Church of Climate Change in the first place.


Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit. That's why Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and Kyoto protocol. To hasten that move they made electricity very expensive and environmental regulations very strict in the west so they can earn their profit sooner.



Do you know what the best part of communism is? It's like always living with your parents. That's about it. If you don't like your parents rules, then leave.
18-03-2019 15:53
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism

Of course, addressing Climate Change requires ending capitalism because that was the whole purpose for creating the Church of Climate Change in the first place.


Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
18-03-2019 15:54
Tai Hai Chen
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IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism

Of course, addressing Climate Change requires ending capitalism because that was the whole purpose for creating the Church of Climate Change in the first place.


Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit. That's why Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and Kyoto protocol. To hasten that move they made electricity very expensive and environmental regulations very strict in the west so they can earn their profit sooner.
Edited on 18-03-2019 15:58
18-03-2019 17:08
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
18-03-2019 17:13
Tai Hai Chen
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IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.
Edited on 18-03-2019 17:14
18-03-2019 19:34
HarveyH55
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There is a lot more incentives to out-sourcing. Wages are never enough here, unions keep pushing for more pay/benefits, other wise nobody would want them. Unions have to justify the monthly dues. Building a factory costs a lot, not just the land or construction. Our government demands a whole lot of studies done, to make sure it not going to harm anyone, physically, environmentally, economically... Then there are impact fees, zoning changes, taxes... Each employee gets wages, but the government demands employers contribute a little more, like workman's Comp., and unemployment, probably a dozen other things, like ObamaCare. There is also a lot of legal obligations, american companies get sued over anything, people expect products that don't break, while opening the package. The sue over any illness or injury, even if it's from misusing the product. Few people pursue damages from foreign companies, since they aren't bound by the same laws. Can be done, just doesn't mean you'll see a dime anytime soon, lawyers probably get more out it.

Right now, minimum wage is a popular democrat project. They seem to think that every job should pay enough to support a family. Not all jobs are equal, and it really doesn't encourage people to worker hard, improve themselves, or really do anything more than show up to punch the clock. Doesn't matter if the get fired, all jobs pay the same, just find another job, slack off, until they get tired of you. I don't do fast-food, but I'd imagine that if the employee wages are doubled, menu prices will double as well, maybe smaller portions too, and quality, well not sure how much that could suffer...
18-03-2019 20:01
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


The Parrot Killer
18-03-2019 23:10
Tai Hai Chen
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Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.
18-03-2019 23:39
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.


While you certainly have a lot of faith in China, no one can predict the future.


The Parrot Killer
19-03-2019 00:22
Tai Hai Chen
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Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.


While you certainly have a lot of faith in China, no one can predict the future.


China is a communist country. Anyone who tries to move manufacturing from China to another place gets death sentence.
Edited on 19-03-2019 00:22
19-03-2019 01:34
Wake
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James___ wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism

Of course, addressing Climate Change requires ending capitalism because that was the whole purpose for creating the Church of Climate Change in the first place.


Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit. That's why Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and Kyoto protocol. To hasten that move they made electricity very expensive and environmental regulations very strict in the west so they can earn their profit sooner.



Do you know what the best part of communism is? It's like always living with your parents. That's about it. If you don't like your parents rules, then leave.


In a communism what makes you think that you CAN leave?
19-03-2019 02:20
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.


While you certainly have a lot of faith in China, no one can predict the future.


China is a communist country. Anyone who tries to move manufacturing from China to another place gets death sentence.


Yet despite that, it's happening anyway.


The Parrot Killer
19-03-2019 04:13
Tai Hai Chen
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Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.


While you certainly have a lot of faith in China, no one can predict the future.


China is a communist country. Anyone who tries to move manufacturing from China to another place gets death sentence.


Yet despite that, it's happening anyway.


China ain't going to say yes to Trump's trade proposal. 想得美
19-03-2019 04:33
HarveyH55
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China will work out some sort of trade deal with Trump, but probably will work around it, business mostly as usual. Americans buy cheap stuff, that they really don't need. China buys the stuff they need, plus they sort of depend on wasteful American consumers. Big difference in what's agreed on, what gets put on paper, and what actually gets done. Neither country is going void any agreement, over a few violations
19-03-2019 04:56
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote: Capitalists moved manufacturing from the west to non western countries where they use cheap labor and no environmental regulations to make a profit.

Tai Hai Chen, who wouldn't do that?


We Chinese people don't do that. Not to our country. You don't see Chinese capitalists moving manufacturing to places like Africa, South America, Southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper than China. American capitalists are traitors to their country.


Actually, Chinese companies ARE moving to establish manufacturing in South America.


A little bit. Not to the degree American capitalists moved manufacturing to China. America don't make a TV or phone anymore. China companies are mainly state owned. Key manufacturing will always be kept in China.


While you certainly have a lot of faith in China, no one can predict the future.


China is a communist country. Anyone who tries to move manufacturing from China to another place gets death sentence.


Yet despite that, it's happening anyway.


China ain't going to say yes to Trump's trade proposal. 想得美


Is this what you see in your crystal ball? Was it made in China?


The Parrot Killer




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