Corruption, which party is the greater problem?

James___ wrote:
In this morning's paper, they explained that after recordings of then President Nixon were used during the Watergate impeachment proceedings that calls were no longer recorded.
That was replaced with a system that sanetizes all calls that a president makes. This means that presidents are basically claiming the 5th Amendment when calling foreign leaders from the situation room.
Yep, American politicians are inherently corrupt. God Bless the USA

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
In this morning's paper, they explained that after recordings of then President Nixon were used during the Watergate impeachment proceedings that calls were no longer recorded.
That was replaced with a system that sanetizes all calls that a president makes. This means that presidents are basically claiming the 5th Amendment when calling foreign leaders from the situation room.
Yep, American politicians are inherently corrupt. God Bless the USA

That's the part that doesn't make any sense, whether it's an audio recording, or recorded on paper, it's still recording. There is no guarantee of privacy, we don't control what other counties do. I also tend to believe that there is an audio recording made, just not made available to the public. I'm pretty sure both presidents were aware that other people were listening, taking notes, and probably recording the conversation, which may, or may not be leaked. The only thing transcribing does, is add doubt, and some measure of interpretation. Sometimes, it's not the words that convey the meaning, but how they are spoken. I'm sure Trump's call was nothing more, than a friendly chat, since it was essentially a public phone call. Any dirty dealings would have been done in a more safe and secure manner. Trump isn't stupid, he acts that way a lot, but he not that careless. Likely used that public call, and anticipated how it was going to be used by the democrats. He wants the impeachment, needs the official vote. He needs to be officially charged, so his defense will have full access to anything the democrats plan to use as evidence, to witnesses, and everything else. Trump's defense can't be denied anything related to the impeachment inquiry, with being denied do process. Since motive is a key element in any trial, he gets to show that it was politics, but the investigation of corruption, starting with the Bidens. There are quite a few politicians who got rich in a similar manner, one of the perks of elected offices.

James___ wrote:
We could always ask Melania Trump if she agrees with her husband that people should go back to where they came from. President Trump believes that immigrants or the children of immigrants should do that. So if we are to clean house, let's start with the White House.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:
We could always ask Melania Trump if she agrees with her husband that people should go back to where they came from. President Trump believes that immigrants or the children of immigrants should do that. So if we are to clean house, let's start with the White House.

Too bad bad you were born American, no free ticket to Noway for you. But, from your logic, then we should just give all of America back to the Native Americans, since everybody immigrate here, except them.

Melania is nice, why would you want her to leave? Has she done something wrong, or do you just hate women? Or is it just your general hatred of Americans? What you seem to omit, is the ILLEGAL immigrant aspect, and those who hate America (like you). America is great, you get freedoms, like being able to leave anytime, you think there is something better in another country.

Personally, I think Trump took office to reverse some of the changes, that have been dragging us down, and doing a fair job, considering his lack of political experience, and the resistance he has to overcome, by the people who created the problems. Some people think by him using, or offering the use of his properties, he's profiteering. These aren't roach motels, they are very nice places to stay, world class.

I do believe that Joe and Hunter Biden opened the gate, and they are going to drag down a bunch of other corrupt elected officials. It's not just them, it's sort of a perk, for some of them to use their name and title, to profit, and let their friends and family sell the name as well. Socialism is about redistributing the wealth. It's not really about taking wealth from the rich people, and handing out to the less fortunate. It's about moving money, and some of that money gets misdirected. The less fortunate, only get as much as needed, to keep them voting for more free stuff, while there is an option. The socialist can never give the poor too much, and have to keep them wanting, to justify taking from the wealthy. Much of all those great promises on the campaign trail, never go anywhere, never intended to work, just buy votes. Many of the same promises, for decades, forgotten, soon as the election results announced.

James___ wrote: If you guys don't get it, if you're from the US and speak English, you actually speak American. No one else who speaks English talks like you.

James___ wrote: Of course most Americans have only lived in the US. That's your problem, you should be aware of it.

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.

Diseases proved to be very racist.


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HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.

Diseases proved to be very racist.


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Are you saying that white people are a disease?

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.

Diseases proved to be very racist.


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Are you saying that white people are a disease?

No. I would never dehumanize anyone in that manner.

I *am* saying that the diseases mere merciless to the indigenous but treated the Europenas as though they had "white privilege." There was definitely a double standard based on race. Indigenous people were killed while caucasions maybe had to take a day off of work.

It was blatant racism on the part of the diseases.


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HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.

Diseases proved to be very racist.


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Are you saying that white people are a disease?

No. I would never dehumanize anyone in that manner.

I *am* saying that the diseases mere merciless to the indigenous but treated the Europenas as though they had "white privilege." There was definitely a double standard based on race. Indigenous people were killed while caucasions maybe had to take a day off of work.

It was blatant racism on the part of the diseases.


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I know what you meant, more of a jab at James. Actual disease brought over killed off quite a few though.

HarveyH55 wrote:
There is corruption in most every government. It's been going on for a very long time. Trump didn't need to go into politics to get rich or powerful, he's done well for himself, without it. He could have pulled out of the business world, and never had money worries. Why go into politics, if he was corrupt? How many politicians went into office with very little wealth, and became multi-millionaires? They are over-paid, but not quite that much.

Way to early to be influencing the election, there are still about 20 democrat candidates. Doesn't make much sense to bother with Joe, since he'll likely get cut by his own party, which is probably part of this impeachment. It's sort of a two for the price of one deal. Doubtful the democrats will take down Trump with this either. The career democrats have been accusing Trump of corruption, even before he was elected, and have spent all their time trying to prove it. They want to keep the focus off themselves, as they all have dirty secrets, that nobody thought to look into, until Trump. Their traditional methods of damage control, doesn't work with Trump, who doesn't have the experience to deal with their brand of corruption, but learning.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
There is corruption in most every government. It's been going on for a very long time. Trump didn't need to go into politics to get rich or powerful, he's done well for himself, without it. He could have pulled out of the business world, and never had money worries. Why go into politics, if he was corrupt? How many politicians went into office with very little wealth, and became multi-millionaires? They are over-paid, but not quite that much.

Way to early to be influencing the election, there are still about 20 democrat candidates. Doesn't make much sense to bother with Joe, since he'll likely get cut by his own party, which is probably part of this impeachment. It's sort of a two for the price of one deal. Doubtful the democrats will take down Trump with this either. The career democrats have been accusing Trump of corruption, even before he was elected, and have spent all their time trying to prove it. They want to keep the focus off themselves, as they all have dirty secrets, that nobody thought to look into, until Trump. Their traditional methods of damage control, doesn't work with Trump, who doesn't have the experience to deal with their brand of corruption, but learning.

Harvey, can you please quit making Trump out to be Jesus?
Jesus is famous because his father was God. Trump is president because his father was rich. Money bought the White House.
And as you say, Trump wants to make America great. Sadly, having 2 American parents like you isn't the right way. Kind of why his own children don't have 2 American parents. He knows what it takes to be successful and it's not 2 Americans.
This is cool. I am like Trump's children, primed for success. Your words Harvey. You wouldn't want your kids to be different than Trump's, right? You know, like me? That would be wrong, right?
Suck it up Harvey, I support the constitution.
By the way. Putin is a friend of Trump's. Yet this does not bother Republicans. And who is helping out the Kurds in Syria? Trump's friend Putin.
It's almost like they planned it that way because Russia was ready to help Syria on a moments notice.

И Харвий (Harvey) , почему Я буду гоборать по России.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.
Diseases proved to be very racist.
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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: Native Americans were killed off because they weren't white.

Native Americans died off in droves because they aren't immune to disease.
Diseases proved to be very racist.
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James just keep in mind this is the guy who said:

IBdaMann wrote:
Slavery was not the reason for the Civil War,...

IBdaMann wrote:It was the North that chose the topic of slavery over which to have the Federal government screw with the South's sovereignty.

Ah you can hear the anger still. Those dirty Northerners screwing with states rights. Man it just makes you want to take your Dukes of Hazzard lunch box and go home for the day. Trump would understand, he knows about back in the good old days.

Oh and James, IBD will probably claim this is a warmazombie conspiracy or something but maybe Native American's were slaughtered for their hair color and not their skin color? No wait, we have brunettes in the white race too.


excerpt from The Daily Republican newspaper in Winona, Minnesota from Sept. 24, 1863.

I guess if Democrats were busy hating black skin Republicans handled hating red skin.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, if you are willing to share in the work, you get to share in the wealth. Humans are the only species on earth, where working to survive, is optional, least in America, and a few other socialist leaning nations.

Wealth isn't just money, or what you own. It's about being secure and successful, in being able to live your life as you want. Some like to use money as the measure of wealth and success, but it's usually just to hide their failures in other areas. Only the individual can make the life for themselves, that they consider worthwhile. It's not the government's responsibility to do everything for you. Wealth is the amount of work you are willing to do, to achieve your goals.

Consider how long it usually takes those lacking drive and ambition, to burn through a pile of money. Lottery winnings, inheritance, legal settlements, and so on. Basically handed instance riches, should be plenty to last a lifetime, or more, gone in 5-10 years. I'm sure many of them had help from friends and family, who felt entitled to help spend, kind of like socialism.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, if you are willing to share in the work, you get to share in the wealth. Humans are the only species on earth, where working to survive, is optional, least in America, and a few other socialist leaning nations.

Wealth isn't just money, or what you own. It's about being secure and successful, in being able to live your life as you want. Some like to use money as the measure of wealth and success, but it's usually just to hide their failures in other areas. Only the individual can make the life for themselves, that they consider worthwhile. It's not the government's responsibility to do everything for you. Wealth is the amount of work you are willing to do, to achieve your goals.

Consider how long it usually takes those lacking drive and ambition, to burn through a pile of money. Lottery winnings, inheritance, legal settlements, and so on. Basically handed instance riches, should be plenty to last a lifetime, or more, gone in 5-10 years. I'm sure many of them had help from friends and family, who felt entitled to help spend, kind of like socialism.

You're describing George W. Bush, our 43rd president. He never worked for anything just like Hunter Biden. Just 2 peas in a pod.

James___ wrote:
Also our current president never worked for anything.

James___ wrote:
His father Fred Trump gave him hundreds of millions of dollars.

James___ wrote:
He files bankruptcy all the time because he burns through the wealth that his father gifted him with.

James___ wrote:
And what does Trump talk about? How rich he is.

James___ wrote:
The law simply doesn't apply to him.

James___ wrote:
An example is that next year the US is hosting the G7 summit at a Trump property. Quite illegal but he is using the Office of the President to promote his businesses.

James___ wrote:
This is something else that is reminiscent of Ancient Rome.

James___ wrote:
Did Caligula do anything wrong or any Roman Emperor? Nope. People in the senate like Mitch McConnell vied for power and control of Rome's wealth.

James___ wrote:
At present though a war might not help. In the 19th century it distracted people just like the War in Iraq. At the moment Republicans are starting to say no more Trump.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, if you are willing to share in the work, you get to share in the wealth. Humans are the only species on earth, where working to survive, is optional, least in America, and a few other socialist leaning nations.

Wealth isn't just money, or what you own. It's about being secure and successful, in being able to live your life as you want. Some like to use money as the measure of wealth and success, but it's usually just to hide their failures in other areas. Only the individual can make the life for themselves, that they consider worthwhile. It's not the government's responsibility to do everything for you. Wealth is the amount of work you are willing to do, to achieve your goals.

Consider how long it usually takes those lacking drive and ambition, to burn through a pile of money. Lottery winnings, inheritance, legal settlements, and so on. Basically handed instance riches, should be plenty to last a lifetime, or more, gone in 5-10 years. I'm sure many of them had help from friends and family, who felt entitled to help spend, kind of like socialism.

You're describing George W. Bush, our 43rd president. He never worked for anything just like Hunter Biden. Just 2 peas in a pod.
Also our current president never worked for anything. His father Fred Trump gave him hundreds of millions of dollars. He files bankruptcy all the time because he burns through the wealth that his father gifted him with.
And what does Trump talk about? How rich he is. The law simply doesn't apply to him. An example is that next year the US is hosting the G7 summit at a Trump property. Quite illegal but he is using the Office of the President to promote his businesses.
This is something else that is reminiscent of Ancient Rome. Did Caligula do anything wrong or any Roman Emperor? Nope. People in the senate like Mitch McConnell vied for power and control of Rome's wealth.
At present though a war might not help. In the 19th century it distracted people just like the War in Iraq. At the moment Republicans are starting to say no more Trump.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Well, if you are willing to share in the work, you get to share in the wealth. Humans are the only species on earth, where working to survive, is optional, least in America, and a few other socialist leaning nations.

Wealth isn't just money, or what you own. It's about being secure and successful, in being able to live your life as you want. Some like to use money as the measure of wealth and success, but it's usually just to hide their failures in other areas. Only the individual can make the life for themselves, that they consider worthwhile. It's not the government's responsibility to do everything for you. Wealth is the amount of work you are willing to do, to achieve your goals.

Consider how long it usually takes those lacking drive and ambition, to burn through a pile of money. Lottery winnings, inheritance, legal settlements, and so on. Basically handed instance riches, should be plenty to last a lifetime, or more, gone in 5-10 years. I'm sure many of them had help from friends and family, who felt entitled to help spend, kind of like socialism.

You're describing George W. Bush, our 43rd president. He never worked for anything just like Hunter Biden. Just 2 peas in a pod.
Also our current president never worked for anything. His father Fred Trump gave him hundreds of millions of dollars. He files bankruptcy all the time because he burns through the wealth that his father gifted him with.
And what does Trump talk about? How rich he is. The law simply doesn't apply to him. An example is that next year the US is hosting the G7 summit at a Trump property. Quite illegal but he is using the Office of the President to promote his businesses.
This is something else that is reminiscent of Ancient Rome. Did Caligula do anything wrong or any Roman Emperor? Nope. People in the senate like Mitch McConnell vied for power and control of Rome's wealth.
At present though a war might not help. In the 19th century it distracted people just like the War in Iraq. At the moment Republicans are starting to say no more Trump.

George W. Bush was in the Air Force, and not discharge for a service related hearing loss either. He owns an operating ranch in Texas, also an oil business. Unlike Obama, he took his vacation time at his ranch, which didn't cost the taxpayers millions every year.

What is wrong with hosting the G7 at Doral? Trump isn't charging them anything, and considerably nicer than Motel 6. Maybe he should have suggested a Las Vegas Casino instead? Trump has been past promoting his properties, many years, been pretty well known all of the world. You'd like to believe Trump is going to profit from it, but he's looking to take a big loss, since I'm sure very few paying members are going to be allowed in during the summit. Where would you suggest hosting the G7? Would it be as nice, for the price we'd have to pay? Guess some people like to live in darkness, and can only see the bad. You're the kind of guy, who would ask friend to loan you his car, then complain there is only half a tank of gas. Likely would put a drop in the tank either...

James___ wrote: And Harvey, please be mindful that Christians told me that never in eternity would Jesus let me have a family. As it turns out, both churches that I attended were the wrong church. That's tiresome anymore. If a man does not like having a family or wanting a woman in his life, that's his problem.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: And Harvey, please be mindful that Christians told me that never in eternity would Jesus let me have a family. As it turns out, both churches that I attended were the wrong church. That's tiresome anymore. If a man does not like having a family or wanting a woman in his life, that's his problem.

James__, please be a bit clearer?

Did all Christians tell you that, or just all TRUE Chrisitians, ... or was it just two Christians?

... and are you saying you were told by Christians that you are sterile, or are you saying that you are gay, ... or gay and sterile?

I honestly don't have enough to decipher your post.



... wait a minute ... is that why you are among the Climate congregation? Were you led to believe that Jesus would never give you a family but that Climate would?

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HarveyH55 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: And Harvey, please be mindful that Christians told me that never in eternity would Jesus let me have a family. As it turns out, both churches that I attended were the wrong church. That's tiresome anymore. If a man does not like having a family or wanting a woman in his life, that's his problem.

James__, please be a bit clearer?

Did all Christians tell you that, or just all TRUE Chrisitians, ... or was it just two Christians?

... and are you saying you were told by Christians that you are sterile, or are you saying that you are gay, ... or gay and sterile?

I honestly don't have enough to decipher your post.



... wait a minute ... is that why you are among the Climate congregation? Were you led to believe that Jesus would never give you a family but that Climate would?

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The depression and self-pity, the never ending drama, is really what his disability is all about. People don't enjoy all the negative vibes, just leaches the life away from everyone around him. No wonder people try to keep a good distance, and wnt to limit contact. Probably best, he can contribute to the gene pool, fouled enough as it is.

Wonder which Christian church didn't want to hook him up with a family? I'm not sure about the current score, but there was 236 different denominations a decade or so ago. I don't recall having been in any church, where they weren't interested in helping you get into a family situation. I've never really had a problem finding women, I'm just not interested in the full time responsibilities. Basically, it's a lot like applying for credit, stable job, house, transportation, and you don't have much problems, unless you have really high standards. Most women want a home, and family, a good provider, they can tolerate quite a bit. If James wanted a woman and family, he could, if he lost the negative outlook on life,, America, non-nowaygians, and pretty much life in general.

There are so many options these days, really can't imagine wanting something, and not doing anything. There is adoption, even gay couples can adopt, Obama fix that. If it's a biological offspring, there is always the test-tube, turkey baster method. Although, that's sort of a scam, might get one of his doctor's kids, or a random selection of leftovers.

We should use James as the poster-child of climate change, how people turn out, if they go down that path.

HarveyH55 wrote:
James, you believe some of the silliest things 'people' tell you, yet ople, and the government's generosity, at the tax payer's expense. You hate Trump, because he wants to cut back on your free money, and put you to work, so you can pay your own way.

Probably true, he used those laws, to profit. Much like you use the charity laws, to avoid working.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
James, you believe some of the silliest things 'people' tell you, yet ople, and the government's generosity, at the tax payer's expense. You hate Trump, because he wants to cut back on your free money, and put you to work, so you can pay your own way.

Probably true, he used those laws, to profit. Much like you use the charity laws, to avoid working.

Again Harvey, it shows real class when you attack someone because they are handicapped. Do know that you are a loser, plain and simple.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
James, you believe some of the silliest things 'people' tell you, yet ople, and the government's generosity, at the tax payer's expense. You hate Trump, because he wants to cut back on your free money, and put you to work, so you can pay your own way.

Probably true, he used those laws, to profit. Much like you use the charity laws, to avoid working.

Again Harvey, it shows real class when you attack someone because they are handicapped. Do know that you are a loser, plain and simple.

Sorry, did know you took a turn for the worse, and your disability, is now a handicap. Do you get to park your car in those reserved spaces now? Or, is the just another of your self-diagnosis delusions?