Corruption, which party is the greater problem?

James___ wrote: @Harvey, when Trump withheld aid to Ukraine until they were willing to investigate a political rival, that is an impeachable offense if proven.

James___ wrote: The reality is that he cannot be impeached. Republicans control the Senate.

James___ wrote: Democrats are stupid for pursuing an action that the opposition can simply refuse to hear in the Senate.

James___ wrote: As a Kentuckian, I hope my senator shows Americans who is in charge and that is Kentucky. Go Big Blue Nation!!!!
I live in Lexington KY, Mitch is God.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Did you read the transcript? They didn't talk about aid money, or Trump's re-election. The previous Ukraine president killed the Biden investigation, because aid money was withheld. Don't think he was going to admit corruption, which many already suspected/knew. New president, new operatunity to get some real answers. Like the Russian investigation, the democrats are over-reaching, reading more into it than actually happened.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Did you read the transcript? They didn't talk about aid money, or Trump's re-election. The previous Ukraine president killed the Biden investigation, because aid money was withheld. Don't think he was going to admit corruption, which many already suspected/knew. New president, new operatunity to get some real answers. Like the Russian investigation, the democrats are over-reaching, reading more into it than actually happened.

According to the BBC, Trump purposely withheld $400 million in aid to Ukraine. Please show the transcript. You chose not to. But as I said, Trump can't be impeached because Kentuckians won't allow it. This is about who is running the US and it's Kentucky. If you don't love Kentucky then you don't love America.

After all, Mitch is Our B1tch.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49842895

And Harvey, When Mitch was running for reelection in 2014 he said that he was going to run America from Kentucky.
I have 2 questions for you. Who can pass the Federal Budget or seat a federal judge?
Mitch can and Trump can't. If he doesn't like it it, he doesn't have to let it be heard on the senate floor. He alone decides what the senate allows.
You have the internet. Search for information about his and Trump's relationship the first 2 years Trump was in office.
https://youtu.be/JK5dBEKlNMc
Mitch knows the legislative process, why he's running the country from Kentucky as promised.

An example of the power that Mitch has. He can adjourn the senate to prevent any action by the senate that he does not support.
https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/191057-mcconnell-youll-regret-this
Then after this he shut down the federal government because he wanted HIS budget passed.
While the president can be vetoed, that can't happen to Mitch.

keepit wrote:
It sure looks like the Senate will never convict but if the Dems make a good case then the Repubs could lose a few seats in the 2020 election because of it.
By the way, i'm neither a Dem nor a Repub. I've never even voted.

HarveyH55 wrote:

keepit wrote:
It sure looks like the Senate will never convict but if the Dems make a good case then the Repubs could lose a few seats in the 2020 election because of it.
By the way, i'm neither a Dem nor a Repub. I've never even voted.

I would think they are going to need something a little more substantial, then what they have in hand. Mostly, they are talking fantasy, like the Russian investigation. They want to believe the worst of the president, and think if the yell loud enough, everyone is going to believe it too. Basically, they are calling two presidents liars. Ours might embellish a little, but don't think he's deliberately lied, maybe misinformed a few times. He does watch a lot of fake news, spends way too much time on the internet.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Hunter Biden was on the board of directors, for a gas company, that was under investigation. That investigation ended, when the prosecutor in charge was removed. And, the company was cleared of any wrong doing as well. All, as a result of Daddy Joe fixing things. This was before the current president was elected. New president, new prosecutor to look into it. How did Hunter get on the board of directors, with no experience, and not an impressive job history? The corrupt prosecutor and president claimed no wrong doing, but isn't that what Joe paid for? Isn't that kind of similar to what Trump is facing? Guess democrats get a free pass...

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Hunter Biden was on the board of directors, for a gas company, that was under investigation. That investigation ended, when the prosecutor in charge was removed. And, the company was cleared of any wrong doing as well. All, as a result of Daddy Joe fixing things. This was before the current president was elected. New president, new prosecutor to look into it. How did Hunter get on the board of directors, with no experience, and not an impressive job history? The corrupt prosecutor and president claimed no wrong doing, but isn't that what Joe paid for? Isn't that kind of similar to what Trump is facing? Guess democrats get a free pass...

You're an idiot IMO. All you seem to care about is saying that you are better than a Democrat. Like you just said, if a foreign country helps your candidate to win, what's the problem?
Then that means that in the future foreign countries could use our elections to benefit themselves. That's what the real issue is but you're OK with it. Rome all over again.

James___ wrote: When did Biden go around saying he stopped the investigation? He never did.

James___ wrote: You're an idiot IMO.

James___ wrote: All you seem to care about is saying that you are better than a Democrat.

James___ wrote: Like you just said, if a foreign country helps your candidate to win, what's the problem?

HarveyH55 wrote:
Try thinking and acting for yourself. You've been lied to. And quite watch the fake news channels, it's destroying brain cells.

HarveyH55 wrote:...call transcript, and the complaint, neither are likely complete....

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Try thinking and acting for yourself. You've been lied to. And quite watch the fake news channels, it's destroying brain cells.

Says the guy who doesn't think we can tell what sea level is. Can't discuss science so you go political.
A 2019 story was not written in 2006 or even 2007.

What the Ukrainian prosecutor said earlier this year. It won't look good for their president there if Ukranians see him as doing what ever Trump wants. Trump is friends with Putin and Ukraine is at war with Russia. That's a soap opera.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n1059136

I am also mindful that New York state and city are going after Trump's tax returns because of the pattern of fraud that has been uncovered. It does seem this is all you can discuss though.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...call transcript, and the complaint, neither are likely complete....

No what we now have is directly from the white house who wisely just issued it:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-ukraine-call-transcript-read-the-document

The Whistle blower said the call was to "solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election". Work with Guliiani after the call, to find DNC servers in the Ukaraine and prosecute the Bidens. (color coded below with some links)

July 25, 2019, 9:03-9:33 am EDT
TRUMP: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, somebody who wasn't given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It's a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right...we can talk over the phone more often.
TRUMP: (laughter) That's a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.
President Zelenskyy: ...we wanted to drain the swamp here...
TRUMP: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she ·doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy: ...I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much...
TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: ...all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
TRUMP: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
President Zelenskyy: ...the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, ... He or she will look into the situation, ...
TRUMP: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.
President Zelenskyy: ...I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States...
TRUMP: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.
President Zelenskyy: ...I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine...
TRUMP: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at that time.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.
TRUMP: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole world was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.
- - End of conversation - -

So was the purpose of the call to use the presidency to solicit a foreign government to go after polical rivals? Yes, yes it was.

Impeachment of course is a political process and there is nothing wrong with that. I'd say the way it went down with Nixon shows it can work fairly.

What's at issue now is just an inquiry.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them

James___ wrote: Something to consider, what if Republicans want Pence to be President?

tmiddles wrote:The Whistle blower said the call was to "solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election".

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:The Whistle blower said the call was to "solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election".

... and obviously there's nothing to this story. This is a huge nothing-gyro.

tmiddles wrote:Of course this is staggeringly stupid on the part of Trump (par for the course) and it's a scandal with the call alone.

tmiddles wrote: I mean think about it! The Muller investigation dealt heavily with a meeting with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent. He then calls up a foreign leader to do just that!!!

IBdaMann wrote:
Every President and Prime Minister has many such conversations

IBdaMann wrote:
Biden bragged about his own corruption

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Every President and Prime Minister has many such conversations

You made this up. Give an example.

IBdaMann wrote:
Biden bragged about his own corruption

When? Also made up.

Don't just make things up. It's annoying.

HarveyH55 wrote: Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help?

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Every President and Prime Minister has many such conversations

You made this up. Give an example.

You're really going to go for this bald-faced lie, aren't you?

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Every President and Prime Minister has many such conversations

You made this up. Give an example.

You're really going to go for this bald-faced lie, aren't you?

Just what I thought. You got nothing.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't think Trump needed help finding, dirt on Clinton, more than enough here. He probably didn't even consider Joe, as a candidate, while on the phone either. Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help? It was just a phone call, and restarting an investigation that got put to an abrupt, and questionable end. Had Joe not been running for president, would the call have been, just a normal call? Does running for president excuse past transgressions?

I really don't think this inquiry is going to be done in a similar way as the Russian investigation. It'll be done mostly publicly, and a lot is going to be brought out. Stuff the democrats are going to regret. They might not have broken laws, but they did get to stuff a lot cash in their pockets.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Every President and Prime Minister has many such conversations

You made this up. Give an example.

IBdaMann wrote:
Biden bragged about his own corruption

When? Also made up.

Don't just make things up. It's annoying.


"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is ever valid for them

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't think Trump needed help finding, dirt on Clinton, more than enough here. He probably didn't even consider Joe, as a candidate, while on the phone either. Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help? It was just a phone call, and restarting an investigation that got put to an abrupt, and questionable end. Had Joe not been running for president, would the call have been, just a normal call? Does running for president excuse past transgressions?

I really don't think this inquiry is going to be done in a similar way as the Russian investigation. It'll be done mostly publicly, and a lot is going to be brought out. Stuff the democrats are going to regret. They might not have broken laws, but they did get to stuff a lot cash in their pockets.

The war in Iraq was illegal. The UN found nothing and neither did we. G. W. Bush misled congress because he wanted us in a war.
And I know you won't care about any of this because it's about you. It's sad that you ignored things like this where our president made their friends company even richer. And Harvey, don't be surprised if the Republican party impeaches Trump. That would give them political leverage and get rid of someone they don't like.
If they do, what will you say? That the Republican party was wrong?
https://www.ft.com/content/7f435f04-8c05-11e2-b001-00144feabdc0
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/gries/howbushoperates/haliburton.html

As long as none of what I just posted doesn't matter to you, those people got the mother of free rides which lead to the Great Recession of 2008.
Interesting what was said in 2016. What if the GOP wants to get back it's party from Trump? Et tu Brutus?
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/gop-future

James___ wrote:The war in Iraq was illegal.

James___ wrote:The UN found nothing and neither did we.

James___ wrote:G. W. Bush misled congress because he wanted us in a war.

James___ wrote: As long as none of what I just posted doesn't matter to you, those people got the mother of free rides which lead to the Great Recession of 2008.

James___ wrote: Et tu Brutus?

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't think Trump needed help finding, dirt on Clinton, more than enough here. He probably didn't even consider Joe, as a candidate, while on the phone either. Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help? It was just a phone call, and restarting an investigation that got put to an abrupt, and questionable end. Had Joe not been running for president, would the call have been, just a normal call? Does running for president excuse past transgressions?

I really don't think this inquiry is going to be done in a similar way as the Russian investigation. It'll be done mostly publicly, and a lot is going to be brought out. Stuff the democrats are going to regret. They might not have broken laws, but they did get to stuff a lot cash in their pockets.

The war in Iraq was illegal. The UN found nothing and neither did we. G. W. Bush misled congress because he wanted us in a war.
And I know you won't care about any of this because it's about you. It's sad that you ignored things like this where our president made their friends company even richer. And Harvey, don't be surprised if the Republican party impeaches Trump. That would give them political leverage and get rid of someone they don't like.
If they do, what will you say? That the Republican party was wrong?
https://www.ft.com/content/7f435f04-8c05-11e2-b001-00144feabdc0
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/gries/howbushoperates/haliburton.html

As long as none of what I just posted doesn't matter to you, those people got the mother of free rides which lead to the Great Recession of 2008.
Interesting what was said in 2016. What if the GOP wants to get back it's party from Trump? Et tu Brutus?
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/gop-future

Iraq war wasn't illegal, Saddam stated clearly, many times, that he did posses weapons of mass destruction. He had the money, and potential to have them. Weapons of mass destruction, aren't necessarily nuclear either. But, then again, Saddam lied and boasted about a lot of stuff, and also committed a lot of death and destruction, on his own people. The war was every bit as 'legal' as these witch hunts on Trump. Iraq was a strategic choice as well, it cuts through the middle of the entire region over there. The terrorist we were hunting, were primarily confined to traveling across land.

I don't believe Trump will get thrown out of office. They haven't voted yet, to impeach yet, which means they haven't got a strong case to begin with, the inquiry is to dig up some actual dirt to use in the impeachment (trial). If the phone call alone was a strong case, and actual crime, they would have put it to a vote, and gone straight to trial. It's wishful thinking, politics, but nothing they can prosecute. The inquiry is all they have justification for, at this point, a fishing expedition, like the Russian meddling probe. You see that it'll take months, before impeachment actually comes up for a vote, which should be before the primaries, but not too soon either.

Adam Shiffty has already cast the first net, and requesting all of Trumps phone calls, to several other countries, outside of just the Ukraine. Instead of focusing on the charges made, he's going to keep grabbing any and all information he can squeeze, for anything useful in his political agenda. Just like the Russia probe. More people around Trump will be destroyed, or thrown in prison, for relatively minor offenses, not related to the investigation. It's his tactic to weaken his enemy, the goal has always been to take out the president.

James___ wrote: You and damann can post whatever you want and in 10 years both of you will be posting the same crap.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't think Trump needed help finding, dirt on Clinton, more than enough here. He probably didn't even consider Joe, as a candidate, while on the phone either. Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help? It was just a phone call, and restarting an investigation that got put to an abrupt, and questionable end. Had Joe not been running for president, would the call have been, just a normal call? Does running for president excuse past transgressions?

I really don't think this inquiry is going to be done in a similar way as the Russian investigation. It'll be done mostly publicly, and a lot is going to be brought out. Stuff the democrats are going to regret. They might not have broken laws, but they did get to stuff a lot cash in their pockets.

The war in Iraq was illegal. The UN found nothing and neither did we. G. W. Bush misled congress because he wanted us in a war.
And I know you won't care about any of this because it's about you. It's sad that you ignored things like this where our president made their friends company even richer. And Harvey, don't be surprised if the Republican party impeaches Trump. That would give them political leverage and get rid of someone they don't like.
If they do, what will you say? That the Republican party was wrong?
https://www.ft.com/content/7f435f04-8c05-11e2-b001-00144feabdc0
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/gries/howbushoperates/haliburton.html

As long as none of what I just posted doesn't matter to you, those people got the mother of free rides which lead to the Great Recession of 2008.
Interesting what was said in 2016. What if the GOP wants to get back it's party from Trump? Et tu Brutus?
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/gop-future

Iraq war wasn't illegal, Saddam stated clearly, many times, that he did posses weapons of mass destruction. He had the money, and potential to have them. Weapons of mass destruction, aren't necessarily nuclear either. But, then again, Saddam lied and boasted about a lot of stuff, and also committed a lot of death and destruction, on his own people. The war was every bit as 'legal' as these witch hunts on Trump. Iraq was a strategic choice as well, it cuts through the middle of the entire region over there. The terrorist we were hunting, were primarily confined to traveling across land.

I don't believe Trump will get thrown out of office. They haven't voted yet, to impeach yet, which means they haven't got a strong case to begin with, the inquiry is to dig up some actual dirt to use in the impeachment (trial). If the phone call alone was a strong case, and actual crime, they would have put it to a vote, and gone straight to trial. It's wishful thinking, politics, but nothing they can prosecute. The inquiry is all they have justification for, at this point, a fishing expedition, like the Russian meddling probe. You see that it'll take months, before impeachment actually comes up for a vote, which should be before the primaries, but not too soon either.

Adam Shiffty has already cast the first net, and requesting all of Trumps phone calls, to several other countries, outside of just the Ukraine. Instead of focusing on the charges made, he's going to keep grabbing any and all information he can squeeze, for anything useful in his political agenda. Just like the Russia probe. More people around Trump will be destroyed, or thrown in prison, for relatively minor offenses, not related to the investigation. It's his tactic to weaken his enemy, the goal has always been to take out the president.

Harvey, your just wanting someone to go after. You do need to troll someone. You've said too many times that you don't pay attention to the details. If the Republican party impeaches Trump, then you won't be able to justify your poor attitude by saying what someone else did justifies it.
You and damann can post whatever you want and in 10 years both of you will be posting the same crap.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I didn't think Trump needed help finding, dirt on Clinton, more than enough here. He probably didn't even consider Joe, as a candidate, while on the phone either. Joe is no threat in the election, why ask for foreign help? It was just a phone call, and restarting an investigation that got put to an abrupt, and questionable end. Had Joe not been running for president, would the call have been, just a normal call? Does running for president excuse past transgressions?

I really don't think this inquiry is going to be done in a similar way as the Russian investigation. It'll be done mostly publicly, and a lot is going to be brought out. Stuff the democrats are going to regret. They might not have broken laws, but they did get to stuff a lot cash in their pockets.

The war in Iraq was illegal. The UN found nothing and neither did we. G. W. Bush misled congress because he wanted us in a war.
And I know you won't care about any of this because it's about you. It's sad that you ignored things like this where our president made their friends company even richer. And Harvey, don't be surprised if the Republican party impeaches Trump. That would give them political leverage and get rid of someone they don't like.
If they do, what will you say? That the Republican party was wrong?
https://www.ft.com/content/7f435f04-8c05-11e2-b001-00144feabdc0
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/gries/howbushoperates/haliburton.html

As long as none of what I just posted doesn't matter to you, those people got the mother of free rides which lead to the Great Recession of 2008.
Interesting what was said in 2016. What if the GOP wants to get back it's party from Trump? Et tu Brutus?
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/gop-future

Iraq war wasn't illegal, Saddam stated clearly, many times, that he did posses weapons of mass destruction. He had the money, and potential to have them. Weapons of mass destruction, aren't necessarily nuclear either. But, then again, Saddam lied and boasted about a lot of stuff, and also committed a lot of death and destruction, on his own people. The war was every bit as 'legal' as these witch hunts on Trump. Iraq was a strategic choice as well, it cuts through the middle of the entire region over there. The terrorist we were hunting, were primarily confined to traveling across land.

I don't believe Trump will get thrown out of office. They haven't voted yet, to impeach yet, which means they haven't got a strong case to begin with, the inquiry is to dig up some actual dirt to use in the impeachment (trial). If the phone call alone was a strong case, and actual crime, they would have put it to a vote, and gone straight to trial. It's wishful thinking, politics, but nothing they can prosecute. The inquiry is all they have justification for, at this point, a fishing expedition, like the Russian meddling probe. You see that it'll take months, before impeachment actually comes up for a vote, which should be before the primaries, but not too soon either.

Adam Shiffty has already cast the first net, and requesting all of Trumps phone calls, to several other countries, outside of just the Ukraine. Instead of focusing on the charges made, he's going to keep grabbing any and all information he can squeeze, for anything useful in his political agenda. Just like the Russia probe. More people around Trump will be destroyed, or thrown in prison, for relatively minor offenses, not related to the investigation. It's his tactic to weaken his enemy, the goal has always been to take out the president.

Harvey, your just wanting someone to go after. You do need to troll someone. You've said too many times that you don't pay attention to the details. If the Republican party impeaches Trump, then you won't be able to justify your poor attitude by saying what someone else did justifies it.
You and damann can post whatever you want and in 10 years both of you will be posting the same crap.

I thought the same way about the Russian investigation, nothing there. And what came of it? Impeachment? Nope, just more investigations, to keep digging for something, anything. It'll go about the same with UkraineGate, a phone call, and a questionable complaint, is only justification to keep digging, and hope to find a gem.

So, do you believe the democrats are all saints, and can never do no wrong? That they would never conspire to cover anything up? Do you believe the democrats aren't using all these investigations for political gain, and not for any consideration for law? I guess 'egg' is easy enough to clean off their faces, and they never learn...

James___ wrote:Only the senate can impeach a sitting president.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

HarveyH55 wrote:
James, you've obviously haven't read the complaint yourself, and only relying on other people's interpretation of the facts. The media sensationalize a lot of stuff, to keep you coming back for more. It's a creative interpretation, fantasy, and usually forgive, do to the lack of information available. As long as the keep it to opinion, nothing ever comes of it. They can pretty much write anything they like, doesn't have to be accurate.

The CIA agent, yeah, I guess people around him aren't very loyal to him either, who wrote the complaint, clearly, and repeatedly makes clear that he didn't personally witness, or observe any of it. It's all based on conversation he had, or heard. It's yet to be established, if any of those people, had first hand knowledge, or just repeating what they were told, or heard other say.

It still seems kind of odd, that there would be a room full of people taking notes, for every presidential phone call, when recording it, would serve the same purpose, and be more accurate and complete. Does Trump's closest staff members go to the note taking room, every time he picks up the phone? I would think note takers are very high level employees, probably assigned specifically to the task, degree of loyalty unknown.

I'm not sure what all goes on in the White House, but this is the first ime I've heard about a CIA agent assigned there, to spy...

James___ wrote: What I know is that if Trump gets impeached you can't blame the Democrats but will.

James___ wrote: You're a great guy and you are an avid Trump supporter because he's a great guy as well. Yet if his own party is out to have him removed from office because they prefer Pence, where does that leave you?

HarveyH55 wrote:
Would you believe it, if you heard it from groper-Joe's mouth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

IBdaMann wrote:so tmiddles ignores HarveyH55's posts