Corruption, which party is the greater problem?

IBdaMann wrote:
Right, because you declare Trump to be Hitler,

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
Right, because you declare Trump to be Hitler,

Not at all. Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him. Call him very much a leader and go visit him.

tmiddles wrote:
Trump doesn't believe in democracy so beware.

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.

I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

James___ wrote: I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.

I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Nope. Fascism is not far right. This is yet another lie perpetuated by liberals.

Fascism is a form of socialism. It is the control of the economy by government, but without the outright ownership of businesses and property.

Just a step on the way to communism.

See the writings of Karl Marx, the government structure of Italy under Mussolini, and the similarity of structure of Germany under Hitler.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Any legitimate definition needs to include NAZI Germany and specify that it is a leftist, socialist implementation of government.

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tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.

The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.

Let's be constructive ... and helpful.

I ran across a video that explains what happened to you (to a "T"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duBDCz-8-Dc


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IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

How did you calculate that probability?

HarveyH55 wrote:...He doesn't have the experience with doing sneaky, barely legal crap,...

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

How did you calculate that probability?

Oh I'm going with the classic >50% makes something probable.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:...He doesn't have the experience with doing sneaky, barely legal crap,...

The white house already released the call. Not only was there nothing "sneaky" about the call as it was made officially with multiple witnesses, but there is therefore nothing "sneaky" or "spyish" about any witnesses/whistleblowers. "Whistleblower" is a key status to avoid retaliation unless the press is just using it because it's a good headline. It seems the only way spying would pay off would be if there was something covert to spy on.

I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Anyone got some idea on how they are any different?

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.

IBdaMann wrote:
... base rate?

Into the Night wrote:Looks more like it was Biden that was colluding with Russia...

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, if the Bidens were thoroughly investigated in 2016, an election year, and cleared of any wrong doing, where is the paperwork? Seems that releasing that, would have put all the conspiracy theories to rest.

HarveyH55 wrote:
...if they didn't fire his sons prosecutor,...

tmiddles wrote:
I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Anyone got some idea on how they are any different?

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.

No Nazi could've said that better. That's an excellent example of fascism Harvey. Republicans demand loyalty to the party. Americans have to accept their message. They are not about the law but are about what the Republican party stands for. Thank You.

tmiddles wrote:
The President of the United States should act legally and with integrity.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.

No Nazi could've said that better. That's an excellent example of fascism Harvey. Republicans demand loyalty to the party. Americans have to accept their message. They are not about the law but are about what the Republican party stands for. Thank You.

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.

You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.

You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

Forgive me if I don't define rich by how much money one has.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill

I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.

Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.

You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

Forgive me if I don't define rich by how much money one has.

You didn't help yourself with that. I am glad that you remember your post I've quoted in the past.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Why are the House democrats avoiding putting the impeachment inquiry up for a vote?

HarveyH55 wrote:
Why are the House democrats avoiding putting the impeachment inquiry up for a vote? The gang leaders seem confident they have a strong case, and strong support. Even the usual leftist polls show that most democrats want to proceed. A vote should be simple for them, nothing to worry about, and give their demands for documents and testimony a lot of power.

I find their continued assurance, that they don't need a vote, the House makes their own rules, does what they want, a little disturbing. A system of checks and balances, is central, no branch has absolute power over anything. Really surprised nobody has called them on that very basic, and obvious lie.

Personally, I think they don't have a case, and have always known it, but they can make all the noise they want, threaten and intimidate people at will. Once it goes up for a vote, they are commuted, no walking back. They either move forward, or admit it was just politics, and an attempt to influence the election. They obviously want to keep Biden out of it, and trying to steer the investigation in any other direction. Wonder how Biden dropping out of the campaign, will effect the inquiry? He isn't socialist enough for the party, to win the primary. As a candidate, he enjoys certain protections, but as a private citizen, he's on his own. They could blame Trump for ruining Joe's chances, and proof of election tampering. Kind of weak, but consistent with the investigation strategy. It's not about what was actually done, or said, but how they can make anything appear negative for the public.

I haven't paid much attention to the democrat candidates, past month or so. They all pretty much had the same goals, and payment method. Very little difference, pretty much quoting the same playbook. More free stuff, paid for by the wealthy people and corporations. Which, of course doesn't really work, and hurts the working middle class the most, making more free stuff and public assistance necessary. You can only squeeze the rich so far, before they cash out, pack up, and move to a less socialist country, and be made welcome.

James___ wrote:You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

James___ wrote: It's sad the way that Republicans sound like Born Again Christians.

James___ wrote: It's funny the way you blame the Great Depression on Obama when that was what Bush caused as well as the War in Iraq.

James___ wrote: I've read where Americans like killing Norwegians because Americans are afraid of people who enjoy life.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

James__, that's not being rich. Having a lot of money is being rich.

If a dead-broke guy who has a lot of debt gets a lucky break and gets a good paying job with a high income, until he has finally paid off his debt and has a lot of money, he is poor.

Income is the rate of money you have coming in. Wealth is how much you have. Being "rich" is a measure of your wealth.

James___ wrote: It's sad the way that Republicans sound like Born Again Christians.

There are a number who do ... and they would be the Republicans who are Born Again Christians.

In fact, I bet they get a lot of comments about how much they look and sound like Born Again Christians.

James___ wrote: It's funny the way you blame the Great Depression on Obama when that was what Bush caused as well as the War in Iraq.

Nope. The housing bubble was caused by Bill Clinton signing the Fair Housing Act. The bubble was eventually burst by the Democrat-controlled policy and spending at the end of Bush's second term and the "tipping point" was the $Trillion deficit immediately thereafter that Obama signed from his Democrat-controlled House and Senate.

Where did you get Bush in all that?

James___ wrote: I've read where Americans like killing Norwegians because Americans are afraid of people who enjoy life.

No, it's that Norwegians are known for whining incessantly to the point that you just want to kill them.

Is that where you picked that up, by the way?


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James___ wrote: I sense that you need a girlfriend.

James___ wrote: It must suck being you.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: I sense that you need a girlfriend.

Nope. My wife would kill me.

James___ wrote: It must suck being you.

Tell me about it. My kids hardly listen to me, they do NOT respect money and the dog keeps peeing in the house off the pad.

You got me pegged.


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James___ wrote: Posting wishful thinking doesn't count.