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06-10-2019 06:43
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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IBdaMann wrote:
Right, because you declare Trump to be Hitler,
Not at all. Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him. Call him very much a leader and go visit him.

Trump doesn't believe in democracy so beware.
06-10-2019 08:55
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Right, because you declare Trump to be Hitler,
Not at all. Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him. Call him very much a leader and go visit him.

Trump isn't a socialist, idiot.
tmiddles wrote:
Trump doesn't believe in democracy so beware.

Neither do I. Democracies are self destructive. They quickly dissolve in to dictatorships or oligarchies. There are no democracies in the world today.

I support republics. So does Trump. They have constitutions. The United States is organized as a federated republic.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 06-10-2019 08:56
06-10-2019 09:50
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.
06-10-2019 16:10
James___
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.



I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
06-10-2019 21:34
HarveyH55
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More shifty maneuvers from Capital Hill...

https://www.wftv.com/news/breaking-news/second-whistleblower-interviewed-over-trumps-ukraine-dealings/994097195

Sounds like they intend to use the whistler-blower law's guarantee of immunity, and anonymity to shield the accuser, and the sources cited in the complaint. How do you verify if an eyewitness, was actually present, without using their name, or image? I'm wonder if 'me-too' will actually apply to witnesses. Trump is guaranteed the right to face his accusers in court, but impeachment isn't exactly like regular court. Do the whistle-blowers lose protection, if they get caught making false statements? What about the first one, who's admits his complaint is based on second-hand accounts? Did he suspect, or know that information was false, but useful in the complaint?

I'm guessing, but this could be why Nancy hasn't called for a vote. Lot of legal details, that have never come up before, which need to get nailed down, one way or another. Got a hunch the Supreme Court is going to be busy on this one. I still think the democrats know it's another weak case, and resorting to obscure, and untested interpretations, to move on this.
06-10-2019 22:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.



I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.


Nope. Fascism is not far right. This is yet another lie perpetuated by liberals.

Fascism is a form of socialism. It is the control of the economy by government, but without the outright ownership of businesses and property.

Just a step on the way to communism.

See the writings of Karl Marx, the government structure of Italy under Mussolini, and the similarity of structure of Germany under Hitler.


The Parrot Killer
07-10-2019 03:05
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James___ wrote: I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Any legitimate definition needs to include NAZI Germany and specify that it is a leftist, socialist implementation of government.

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
07-10-2019 03:11
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.



I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.


Nope. Fascism is not far right. This is yet another lie perpetuated by liberals.

Fascism is a form of socialism. It is the control of the economy by government, but without the outright ownership of businesses and property.

Just a step on the way to communism.

See the writings of Karl Marx, the government structure of Italy under Mussolini, and the similarity of structure of Germany under Hitler.



Wouldn't trillion dollar deficits qualify as the government controlling the economy? Just asking for a friend
07-10-2019 03:16
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote: I have a word game for you. Can you define fascism? I can.

Any legitimate definition needs to include NAZI Germany and specify that it is a leftist, socialist implementation of government.

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But I love Marxism
Do Nazarenes like them?

https://youtu.be/p0Gwe5gKgjo
07-10-2019 03:49
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

How did you calculate that probability? However you did I'm betting that your math was egregiously in error.

Would you share?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cVsmuxOj28

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
07-10-2019 04:27
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tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.


Let's be constructive ... and helpful.

I ran across a video that explains what happened to you (to a "T"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duBDCz-8-Dc


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
07-10-2019 04:52
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
I support republics.
The amount to time you waste here on vocabulary games is so stupid.


Let's be constructive ... and helpful.

I ran across a video that explains what happened to you (to a "T"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duBDCz-8-Dc


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This might better express my sentiment: So, did you enjoy your cronut?

https://youtu.be/FA6RyL5jPhE
Edited on 07-10-2019 04:58
07-10-2019 07:50
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IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

How did you calculate that probability?
Oh I'm going with the classic >50% makes something probable. https://theglobalamericans.org/2019/02/dictators-trump-loves/
https://hillreporter.com/times-donald-trump-praised-dictators-and-controversial-leaders-31009
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/donald-trump-dictators-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin/index.html

I can see it now, just as he was unphased as Oreilly pointed out that Putin was a killer, "He really is very much a leader!"
https://digg.com/video/donald-trump-bill-o-reilly-fox-news-putin-russia-killer

He is something else!
07-10-2019 10:59
HarveyH55
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https://www.wftv.com/news/new-whistleblower-may-give-house-democrats-fresh-leads/994436728

Whistleblower or witness? Seems like since the 'crime' has already been reported, investigation initiated, anyone else coming forward, would simply be witnesses. Isn't there a 'reward' for whistleblowing, along with the guarantees of immunity and anonymity? Both, this article, and the previous imply there are more than two whistleblowers now, but I found nothing beyond news stories, that make this second intelligence employee, is actually a whistleblower. It's already confirmed the original complaint, is from a CIA officer, which I've only found to be another term for agent, which is essentially, a spy. They are really trying to side-step the 'spy' aspect of their work here. Makes me wonder if the CIA was actively spying on the president for political purposes. Kind of pitiful findings, if this is all their operation could dig up. The only thing Trump has to fear, is the politics. He doesn't have the experience with doing sneaky, barely legal crap, the House democrats are very good at. The politics are about perception and opinion, not the actions.
07-10-2019 11:21
tmiddlesProfile picture★★★★☆
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HarveyH55 wrote:...He doesn't have the experience with doing sneaky, barely legal crap,...

The white house already released the call. Not only was there nothing "sneaky" about the call as it was made officially with multiple witnesses, but there is therefore nothing "sneaky" or "spyish" about any witnesses/whistleblowers. "Whistleblower" is a key status to avoid retaliation unless the press is just using it because it's a good headline. It seems the only way spying would pay off would be if there was something covert to spy on.

I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Anyone got some idea on how they are any different?
Edited on 07-10-2019 11:22
07-10-2019 15:45
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tmiddles wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
tmiddles wrote: Though if Hitler were around Trump would probably admire him.

How did you calculate that probability?
Oh I'm going with the classic >50% makes something probable.

How did you compute the base rate?

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
07-10-2019 19:11
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:...He doesn't have the experience with doing sneaky, barely legal crap,...

The white house already released the call. Not only was there nothing "sneaky" about the call as it was made officially with multiple witnesses, but there is therefore nothing "sneaky" or "spyish" about any witnesses/whistleblowers. "Whistleblower" is a key status to avoid retaliation unless the press is just using it because it's a good headline. It seems the only way spying would pay off would be if there was something covert to spy on.

I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Anyone got some idea on how they are any different?


'Biden'; 'Trump'. Looks more like it was Biden that was colluding with Russia to try to throw the election towards Hillary.


The Parrot Killer
07-10-2019 20:49
HarveyH55
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So, if the Bidens were thoroughly investigated in 2016, an election year, and cleared of any wrong doing, where is the paperwork? Seems that releasing that, would have put all the conspiracy theories to rest. The Mueller report was made public, why not the Bidens? Political gain? Since Joe Biden withheld $1 Billion, and threaten to keep it, if they didn't fire his sons prosecutor, isn't considered criminal, or personal gain. Then, Nancy and friends, who are screaming Trump broke the law, by withhold aid, are influencing the 2020 election, abusing the power of their office for personal gain. An impeachment inquiry should be order for all of them. They all should be side-lined, without pay, until their impeachment trial is completed in the Senate. It's still to be proven, that Trump pressured the Ukraine, or made any threats concerning the aid money (like Biden bragged about on TV). Does Trump really need a foreign country's help, influencing an election? Seems like he does a fine job on his own, doesn't even have to buy much TV time either. Networks would pay to get him in front of their cameras. Although, some have nasty motives, like CNN...
08-10-2019 03:05
HarveyH55
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https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.
08-10-2019 06:14
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.



No Nazi could've said that better. That's an excellent example of fascism Harvey. Republicans demand loyalty to the party. Americans have to accept their message. They are not about the law but are about what the Republican party stands for. Thank You.
08-10-2019 07:10
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IBdaMann wrote:
... base rate?
Too boring, next joke
Into the Night wrote:Looks more like it was Biden that was colluding with Russia...
What? Is Ukraine Russia already? Total nonsense but just an attempt to change the subject. The President of the United States should act legally and with integrity.
HarveyH55 wrote:
So, if the Bidens were thoroughly investigated in 2016, an election year, and cleared of any wrong doing, where is the paperwork? Seems that releasing that, would have put all the conspiracy theories to rest.
I agree! Though that is a different conspiracy. Remember that illegal activity doesn't suddenly mean the government can behave in an illegal fashion. Trump shouldn't violate the law regardless of how admirable the motive might be.

HarveyH55 wrote:
...if they didn't fire his sons prosecutor,...
I think that's off base. What I see being likely is that Biden's son does nothing but collect some money. In turn Biden becomes a friend of that oil company and helps them out. Though the case was already closed at the point Biden put pressure on the conflict of interest is clear. If the money had gone directly to Biden what would people say? And what's the difference between money going to someones child and going to them? I think it's disgusting. But I doubt there was anything to find other than the payout. What else do you need? If there were documents of favors being asked. We should get Biden's son's text messages from the entire time.

tmiddles wrote:
I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Anyone got some idea on how they are any different?
No takers from the Trumpettes
08-10-2019 18:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.



No Nazi could've said that better. That's an excellent example of fascism Harvey. Republicans demand loyalty to the party. Americans have to accept their message. They are not about the law but are about what the Republican party stands for. Thank You.

Redefinition fallacy (loyaly<->fascism).


The Parrot Killer
08-10-2019 18:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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tmiddles wrote:
The President of the United States should act legally and with integrity.

He is.
HarveyH55 wrote:
I still can't see what's different about what we already know Trump did with the Ukraine and what he was only accused off int he Mueller investigation.

Simple. Trump is investigating corruption. Biden doesn't get a pass.


The Parrot Killer
08-10-2019 22:27
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/ap-sources-trump-allies-pressed-ukraine-over-gas-firm/994335436

Now, the Trump team is being accused of doing the same thing, the Bidens are suspected of doing. I've got a strong hunch this isn't going to get resolved before next years election, and will likely take up much of Trump's next 4 years in office like the Russian Investigation. Only this time, democrats are going to fall, dragging each other down. Corruption will be weeded out, and those relationships with key democrats won't be hidden this time. That's sort of the problem with having to scrap the bottom, for something useful, it's mostly dirt, and no telling what else gets pulled out.



No Nazi could've said that better. That's an excellent example of fascism Harvey. Republicans demand loyalty to the party. Americans have to accept their message. They are not about the law but are about what the Republican party stands for. Thank You.


I don't get your fixation with Nazis. I'm sure you are bitter, about possibly losing some of that free money, your party is so generously spreading around (while it lasts). Republicans know fixing problems take time, life it's and endless party. Unfortunately, the democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill band-aid, and hope it doesn't fall off, while they are in the White House. Obama applied a lot of those band-aids, and it isn't just the interest on all those trillions he borrowed, with no responsibility to repay. But, he also put a bunch of 10, 15, and twenty year spending items in the budget. Seldom hear of these items ever getting removed, if not really needed anymore, or should have been there in the first place. Probably on reason, why the democrats are so hostile toward the president (how patriotic, could at least respect the office). Probably would take too long, to go through, and trim enough fat, to pay for a really nice border wall...
08-10-2019 23:28
GasGuzzler
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HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
09-10-2019 00:30
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?
09-10-2019 01:27
GasGuzzler
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
09-10-2019 03:11
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.



You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich. It's sad the way that Republicans sound like Born Again Christians.
It's funny the way you blame the Great Depression on Obama when that was what Bush caused as well as the War in Iraq. It's sad the way that Republicans are the victims yet want to lead your country.
I've read where Americans like killing Norwegians because Americans are afraid of people who enjoy life. Sounds reasonable to me.
09-10-2019 03:43
GasGuzzler
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.



You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.


Forgive me if I don't define rich by how much money one has.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
09-10-2019 04:15
James___
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GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.



You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.


Forgive me if I don't define rich by how much money one has.


You didn't help yourself with that. I am glad that you remember your post I've quoted in the past.
What is being said about Trump financing the US economy: This link basically says that both parties are ignoring the budget deficit.

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/deficit-nears-1-trillion-in-2019-but-2020-dems-and-trump-have-little-to-say-about-debt
09-10-2019 05:12
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Why are the House democrats avoiding putting the impeachment inquiry up for a vote? The gang leaders seem confident they have a strong case, and strong support. Even the usual leftist polls show that most democrats want to proceed. A vote should be simple for them, nothing to worry about, and give their demands for documents and testimony a lot of power.

I find their continued assurance, that they don't need a vote, the House makes their own rules, does what they want, a little disturbing. A system of checks and balances, is central, no branch has absolute power over anything. Really surprised nobody has called them on that very basic, and obvious lie.

Personally, I think they don't have a case, and have always known it, but they can make all the noise they want, threaten and intimidate people at will. Once it goes up for a vote, they are commuted, no walking back. They either move forward, or admit it was just politics, and an attempt to influence the election. They obviously want to keep Biden out of it, and trying to steer the investigation in any other direction. Wonder how Biden dropping out of the campaign, will effect the inquiry? He isn't socialist enough for the party, to win the primary. As a candidate, he enjoys certain protections, but as a private citizen, he's on his own. They could blame Trump for ruining Joe's chances, and proof of election tampering. Kind of weak, but consistent with the investigation strategy. It's not about what was actually done, or said, but how they can make anything appear negative for the public.

I haven't paid much attention to the democrat candidates, past month or so. They all pretty much had the same goals, and payment method. Very little difference, pretty much quoting the same playbook. More free stuff, paid for by the wealthy people and corporations. Which, of course doesn't really work, and hurts the working middle class the most, making more free stuff and public assistance necessary. You can only squeeze the rich so far, before they cash out, pack up, and move to a less socialist country, and be made welcome.
09-10-2019 05:53
GasGuzzler
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James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:democrats seem to believe that everything can be fixed quick, with a dollar bill


I disagree. They know damn well they are trying to buy votes. Look anywhere in the world and their fiscal model has failed everywhere. It's a power grab.


Didn't you say that you got rich off of Bush's Great Recession?

Nope. I said I made assloads of money during Obama's prolonging of the recession. Point is, I'm a high school dropout with a couple of disabilities, but can make money in any economy. No need to give money to anyone that is able to earn....that would be the vast majority of the population. Yet from the Democrats, the promises of lazy ass free shit bliss is all we hear. Tired of people believing they are unable to make it without the heavy helping handout from Uncle Sam. It's bullshit.



You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.


Forgive me if I don't define rich by how much money one has.


You didn't help yourself with that. I am glad that you remember your post I've quoted in the past.


I wasn't trying to help myself. I was actually trying to help you. If you don't work to overcome a few things, Australia will only bite you worse than the US.

The point is, you don't need a damn thing the democrats tell you that you need to succeed. Stop believing them when they tell you that you can't, you're too stupid, and you need gov help. You don't.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
Edited on 09-10-2019 06:05
09-10-2019 05:58
GasGuzzler
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Why are the House democrats avoiding putting the impeachment inquiry up for a vote?

They know there's not a chance in hell of unseating this president. They only wish to use this as another way to drag him through the media mud for the next year. They'll do whatever they can to keep impeachment in the spotlight during the election/campaign process.


I think people screw me over because they don't want to see someone willing to put out the effort that they won't.~James~
Edited on 09-10-2019 05:59
09-10-2019 06:24
James___
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Why are the House democrats avoiding putting the impeachment inquiry up for a vote? The gang leaders seem confident they have a strong case, and strong support. Even the usual leftist polls show that most democrats want to proceed. A vote should be simple for them, nothing to worry about, and give their demands for documents and testimony a lot of power.

I find their continued assurance, that they don't need a vote, the House makes their own rules, does what they want, a little disturbing. A system of checks and balances, is central, no branch has absolute power over anything. Really surprised nobody has called them on that very basic, and obvious lie.

Personally, I think they don't have a case, and have always known it, but they can make all the noise they want, threaten and intimidate people at will. Once it goes up for a vote, they are commuted, no walking back. They either move forward, or admit it was just politics, and an attempt to influence the election. They obviously want to keep Biden out of it, and trying to steer the investigation in any other direction. Wonder how Biden dropping out of the campaign, will effect the inquiry? He isn't socialist enough for the party, to win the primary. As a candidate, he enjoys certain protections, but as a private citizen, he's on his own. They could blame Trump for ruining Joe's chances, and proof of election tampering. Kind of weak, but consistent with the investigation strategy. It's not about what was actually done, or said, but how they can make anything appear negative for the public.

I haven't paid much attention to the democrat candidates, past month or so. They all pretty much had the same goals, and payment method. Very little difference, pretty much quoting the same playbook. More free stuff, paid for by the wealthy people and corporations. Which, of course doesn't really work, and hurts the working middle class the most, making more free stuff and public assistance necessary. You can only squeeze the rich so far, before they cash out, pack up, and move to a less socialist country, and be made welcome.



McConnell said that fascism always wins and that Republicans never lose. I love living in Kentucky. It motivates me to want to leave the US to a place where people can pursue life, liberty and freedom.
09-10-2019 06:31
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James___ wrote:You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

James__, that's not being rich. Having a lot of money is being rich.

If a dead-broke guy who has a lot of debt gets a lucky break and gets a good paying job with a high income, until he has finally paid off his debt and has a lot of money, he is poor.

Income is the rate of money you have coming in. Wealth is how much you have. Being "rich" is a measure of your wealth.

James___ wrote: It's sad the way that Republicans sound like Born Again Christians.

There are a number who do ... and they would be the Republicans who are Born Again Christians.

In fact, I bet they get a lot of comments about how much they look and sound like Born Again Christians.

James___ wrote: It's funny the way you blame the Great Depression on Obama when that was what Bush caused as well as the War in Iraq.

Nope. The housing bubble was caused by Bill Clinton signing the Fair Housing Act. The bubble was eventually burst by the Democrat-controlled policy and spending at the end of Bush's second term and the "tipping point" was the $Trillion deficit immediately thereafter that Obama signed from his Democrat-controlled House and Senate.

Where did you get Bush in all that?

James___ wrote: I've read where Americans like killing Norwegians because Americans are afraid of people who enjoy life.

No, it's that Norwegians are known for whining incessantly to the point that you just want to kill them.

Is that where you picked that up, by the way?


.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-10-2019 06:39
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote:You said that you were in the top 5% in income in Iowa. That's being rich.

James__, that's not being rich. Having a lot of money is being rich.

If a dead-broke guy who has a lot of debt gets a lucky break and gets a good paying job with a high income, until he has finally paid off his debt and has a lot of money, he is poor.

Income is the rate of money you have coming in. Wealth is how much you have. Being "rich" is a measure of your wealth.

James___ wrote: It's sad the way that Republicans sound like Born Again Christians.

There are a number who do ... and they would be the Republicans who are Born Again Christians.

In fact, I bet they get a lot of comments about how much they look and sound like Born Again Christians.

James___ wrote: It's funny the way you blame the Great Depression on Obama when that was what Bush caused as well as the War in Iraq.

Nope. The housing bubble was caused by Bill Clinton signing the Fair Housing Act. The bubble was eventually burst by the Democrat-controlled policy and spending at the end of Bush's second term and the "tipping point" was the $Trillion deficit immediately thereafter that Obama signed from his Democrat-controlled House and Senate.

Where did you get Bush in all that?

James___ wrote: I've read where Americans like killing Norwegians because Americans are afraid of people who enjoy life.

No, it's that Norwegians are known for whining incessantly to the point that you just want to kill them.

Is that where you picked that up, by the way?


.


I sense that you need a girlfriend. It must suck being you. Have to wonder, do you like Harvey? He needs a friend.
09-10-2019 06:46
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: I sense that you need a girlfriend.

Nope. My wife would kill me.

James___ wrote: It must suck being you.

Tell me about it. My kids hardly listen to me, they do NOT respect money and the dog keeps peeing in the house off the pad.

You got me pegged.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-10-2019 07:06
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
James___ wrote: I sense that you need a girlfriend.

Nope. My wife would kill me.

James___ wrote: It must suck being you.

Tell me about it. My kids hardly listen to me, they do NOT respect money and the dog keeps peeing in the house off the pad.

You got me pegged.


.



Posting wishful thinking doesn't count.
09-10-2019 18:46
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote: Posting wishful thinking doesn't count.

In this case it's all I have.

Can you get my dog to only pee outside?

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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
12-10-2019 22:25
HarveyH55
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Something new popped up...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-solomon-says-new-hunter-biden-related-doc-shows-significant-shift-in-factual-timeline

The story says there is documented proof that an investigation into Hunter Biden, well the company he work for in the Ukraine, was already started, before the new president took office, February 2019. In April, they reported finding some unusual money transfers, $3.4 million through Hunter's firm in California. Our intelligence agencies were made aware, and apparently some document requested by the Ukraine.

Just a FOXNEWS story, but it turns out to be true and accurate, I wonder how the democrats will back out of this one. They would have know there was already an investigation, and Hunter was part of it. Trump wouldn't have needed to put pressure on the Ukraine to start an investigation, unless neither president were aware of the investigation. Trump needs to find out who knew what, and when. If his accusers knew there was already an investigation, they should be going to jail, lucky we no long use the rope... Most of them would be going to Club Fed, which doesn't sound like much punishment.
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