Church of the Mask -- "Magick Mask Argument"

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
It's .3 micron, not 3.0 microns. Who have you been getting your information from?

NIOSH published a Federal Register Notice to explore the possibility of incorporating FDA required filtration tests for surgical masks (SMs) in the 42 CFR Part 84 respirator certification process. There have been no published studies comparing the filtration efficiency test methods used for NIOSH certification of N95 filtering facepiece respirators (N95 FFRs) with those used by the FDA for clearance of SMs. To address this issue, filtration efficiencies of "N95 FFRs" including six N95 FFR models and three surgical N95 FFR models, and three SM models were measured using the NIOSH NaCl aerosol test method, and FDA required particulate filtration efficiency (PFE) and bacterial filtration efficiency (BFE) methods, and viral filtration efficiency (VFE) method. Five samples of each model were tested using each method. Both PFE and BFE tests were done using unneutralized particles as per FDA guidance document. PFE was measured using 0.1 µm size polystyrene latex particles and BFE with ∼3.0 µm size particles containing Staphylococcus aureus bacteria. VFE was obtained using ∼3.0 µm size particles containing phiX 174 as the challenge virus and Escherichia coli as the host.

Bacterial Filtration Efficiency (BFE)
The Bacterial Filtration Efficiency test determines the filtration efficiency by comparing the bacterial control counts to test article effluent counts. The test is conducted using Staphylococcus aureus as the challenge organism. After the filtration media is preconditioned, a liquid suspension of S. aureus is aerosolized and delivered to the filtration media at a constant flow rate of 28.3 liters per minute (LPM) or 1 cubic foot per minute (CFM).

The aerosol droplets are drawn through a six-stage Andersen sampler for collection. The number of bacterial aerosol droplets contacting the filter media is determined by conducting challenge controls without filter medium in the test system. Challenge controls are maintained at 1700 – 3000 colony-forming units (CFU) with a mean particle size (MPS) of 3.0 ± 0.3 µm. This allows filtration efficiencies to be reported up to >99.9%.

The BFE test offers a number of advantages over other filtration efficiency tests. It has been used with little or no modification for years and provides a standard reference for comparison of filtration materials. The mean particle size can be tightly controlled and is sized using a six-stage viable-particle Andersen sampler, permitting stage-by-stage analysis. The BFE procedure is reproducible, and provides a more severe challenge to most filtration devices than would be expected in normal use. Large numbers of material can be evaluated in a relatively short time.

keepit wrote: Harvey, [blatant lying deleted]

keepit wrote: The 3m medical grade mask has gaps of .3 micron. Not 3.0 microns.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
It's .3 micron, not 3.0 microns. Who have you been getting your information from?

HarveyH55 wrote:

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
It's .3 micron, not 3.0 microns. Who have you been getting your information from?

WTF are you talking about? I didn't get involved in the size debate. Quote what I wrote, before asking silly questions, though apparently that's the only sort of questions you seem to ask.

I stayed out of it, because it's pointless numbers debate. Particles size is only relevant, if the person is wearing the mask, is doing so properly, and wearing the correct size. You wear the mask one time, and replace with a fresh clean one, everytime you remove one. You don't pull down for a while, or leave it dangle from one ear. You don't take it off, set in on some surface, while you eat lunch, and put the same one back on. But mostly, if you aren't sanitizing your face and hands, before putting on a mask, you are trapping all kinds of crap under the mask. Mask-acne is becoming a thing now. It's not just covid-19, it's covering up an embarrassing zit-face.

keepit wrote:
Sorry Harvey. Someone quoted you in one of those boxes (that i don't know how to do) and i thought it was you speaking.

keepit wrote: Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

keepit wrote: The masks have many imperfections ...

keepit wrote: ... but they slow down the progress of the covid.

keepit wrote: Slowing give time for the development of a solution though.

keepit wrote: It's kind of like slowing the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere.

keepit wrote:
Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

keepit wrote:
The masks have many imperfections but they slow down the progress of the covid.

keepit wrote:
If we're all going to catch it, slowing doesn't mean much in the total scheme of things i guess.

keepit wrote:
If mutation is in the inevitable future of the virus, then slowing doesn't help much either.

keepit wrote:
Slowing does give time for the development of a solution though.

keepit wrote:
It's kind of like slowing the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere.

keepit wrote:
Slowing that definitely gives time for a solution and the mutation.

keepit wrote:
Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.
The masks have many imperfections but they slow down the progress of the covid.
If we're all going to catch it, slowing doesn't mean much in the total scheme of things i guess. If mutation is in the inevitable future of the virus, then slowing doesn't help much either. Slowing does give time for the development of a solution though.
It's kind of like slowing the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere. Slowing that definitely gives time for a solution and the mutation.

gfm7175 wrote:
ATTENTION BOYS AND GIRLS

The Cult of the Mask Almanac has finally been completed, pictures and all... My hope is that more content will be added to it in the near future, but the foundation for the exposure of the Cult has definitely been laid.

Enjoy!

keepit wrote: Don't worry so much.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Keep these in mind. There is evidence showing up that reinfection is occurring within weeks to months after the first infection. More time will tell.
Also, there is evidence that covid infection causes damage to the brain, the kidneys, and the blood vessels. Generally speaking these organs aren't known to heal so be afraid, be very afraid. I'm only trying to help with this note of caution.

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Keep these in mind. There is evidence showing up that reinfection is occurring within weeks to months after the first infection. More time will tell.

keepit wrote:
Also, there is evidence that covid infection causes damage to the brain, the kidneys, and the blood vessels.

keepit wrote:
Generally speaking these organs aren't known to heal so be afraid, be very afraid.

keepit wrote:
I'm only trying to help with this note of caution.

keepit wrote: Don't worry so much.

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote: Don't worry so much.

Did you hear the joke about the submarine with screen doors?

Did you hear the joke about the guy wearing the disposable facemask for COVID?




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keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Keep these in mind. There is evidence showing up that reinfection is occurring within weeks to months after the first infection. More time will tell.
Also, there is evidence that covid infection causes damage to the brain, the kidneys, and the blood vessels. Generally speaking these organs aren't known to heal so be afraid, be very afraid. I'm only trying to help with this note of caution.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:
ATTENTION BOYS AND GIRLS

The Cult of the Mask Almanac has finally been completed, pictures and all... My hope is that more content will be added to it in the near future, but the foundation for the exposure of the Cult has definitely been laid.

Enjoy!

Excellent work.

I added an entry. You can remove it if you don't like it but I felt it was missing and needed to be included.

COVID Death: noun
A death by any cause whatsoever whereby the deceased is claimed by someone/anyone to have had any of a long list of symptoms that could potentially be indications of possible COVID-19 infection. This does not mean that the death was caused by, exacerbated by, accelerated by or even made more likely by the COVID virus. A COVID death is not a death from COVID but is rather a death with possible COVID. No testing for COVID is required for the "COVID Death" determination to be made, nor is any sort of confirmation of COVID presence within the deceased; it is sufficient that some symptoms merely be anecdotally reported for the hospital or other medical facility to receive [s]incentive[/s] assistance funding for reporting higher numbers of COVID deaths that aid the WHO in spreading panic and ultimately in achieving their victory condition.
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HarveyH55 wrote:

keepit wrote:
Harvey,
Keep these in mind. There is evidence showing up that reinfection is occurring within weeks to months after the first infection. More time will tell.
Also, there is evidence that covid infection causes damage to the brain, the kidneys, and the blood vessels. Generally speaking these organs aren't known to heal so be afraid, be very afraid. I'm only trying to help with this note of caution.

Covid-19 tests are only about 70% accurate, there is a lot of room for errors, between sample collection, lab test, and reporting the result. The over whelming volume of test going through the labs, introduce a lot of potential human error.

We are a little more than 6 months into this epidemic, a the main focus has been on treatment, vaccines, and controlling the spread. The side issues haven't been studied thoroughly (takes years). Most of your alarming observations, or mainly research pointing out things they want grant money, to do the studies. Most of the damage you are stating, is actually common for patients, who spend weeks in the ICU, regardless of reason for being there. Laying in bed, is very bad for blood circulation, and potential for blood clots.

Very few autopsy are ordered, or requested. They aren't allowed to just slice up bodies, out of curiosity, or just for fun. Some patients do sign releases, that allow for research. Underlying, preexisting medical issues, is a main issue with majority of the fatalities. Tough call, on how much Covid-19 help speed up the inevitable demise. ICU is rough, and extreme, causes some acceptable damage, to save the life. The 'I' stands for INTENSIVE, they don't sweat the small stuff, the focus is on saving the life first. They can deal with the mess later, maybe give you some meds.

There are few young/healthy deaths from Covid-19 to work with. Working with old, messed up victims, who were basically F.B.R. for years, is going to take literally years to sort out, and confirm that it was the virus, and no other cause, for all the crap you listed.

IBdaMann wrote:
Did you hear the joke about the submarine with screen doors?

IBdaMann wrote:
Did you hear the joke about the guy wearing the disposable facemask for COVID?

keepit wrote:
IBD, ITN, gfm,
You guys do realize trump is recommending masks now don't you?

keepit wrote:
Not that he's an expert but someone told him to jump on the mask bandwagon.

keepit wrote:
Personally, i'm more enthusiastic about social distancing.

SOCIAL DISTANCING: noun
A core tenet of the Cult of the Mask, the continuous effort to stay at least six feet apart from all other human beings at all times (aka, the hardcore version of "cooties" for adults) is believed to ward off the infection of COVID-19 and his mutations until the future arrival of Vaccine on Earth.

If you happen to get "cooties" on this difficulty setting, it's GAME OVER... NO DO-OVERS!!!

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:Personally, i'm more enthusiastic about social distancing.

I assume that this is what you are talking about??

SOCIAL DISTANCING: noun
A core tenet of the Cult of the Mask, the continuous effort to stay at least six feet apart from all other human beings at all times (aka, the hardcore version of "cooties" for adults) is believed to ward off the infection of COVID-19 and his mutations until the future arrival of Vaccine on Earth.

gfm7175 wrote: For a start, keep one cow apart... **sigh**

GasGuzzler wrote:
After reading through this thread, unless I missed I something it appears that we have slipped up.

I don't believe we have actually defined "mask".

I'll give it a go. Anyone should feel free to polish it up.

Mask. A buzzgarment worn across the mouth and nose, mostly used by the faithful and fearful members of the church of covid. Wearing a mask offers no medical benefit against covid, as it is comparable to a spaghetti strainer stopping water.

The mask is however, quite useful as a symbol of fear.
When faithfully worn by the masses in public, it offers up the message to all that "everything in Trumpland is terrible "

Other uses of mask wearing in public may include hiding ones identity during a peaceful protest, or others may don the mask simply to follow unconstitutional law and avoid civil penalties.

keepit wrote:
IBD, ITN, gfm,
You guys do realize trump is recommending masks now don't you?

keepit wrote:
Not that he's an expert but someone told him to jump on the mask bandwagon.

keepit wrote:
Personally, i'm more enthusiastic about social distancing.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

keepit wrote:Personally, i'm more enthusiastic about social distancing.

I assume that this is what you are talking about??

SOCIAL DISTANCING: noun
A core tenet of the Cult of the Mask, the continuous effort to stay at least six feet apart from all other human beings at all times (aka, the hardcore version of "cooties" for adults) is believed to ward off the infection of COVID-19 and his mutations until the future arrival of Vaccine on Earth.

This is good, however I would encourage you to modify this definition to explain social distancing in context, i.e.

"social distancing is an official, tangible guideline, similar to the base path in baseball, delineating how players can avoid penalties and fouls; encroachment over the social distancing "line of scrimmage" could get you called for a technical foul or even get you ejected,



... however staying within social distancing guidelines keeps you in the game.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote: For a start, keep one cow apart... **sigh**

How is that possible? Don't you need at least two cows in order to keep them apart?

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IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
After reading through this thread, unless I missed I something it appears that we have slipped up.

I don't believe we have actually defined "mask".

I'll give it a go. Anyone should feel free to polish it up.

Mask. A buzzgarment worn across the mouth and nose, mostly used by the faithful and fearful members of the church of covid. Wearing a mask offers no medical benefit against covid, as it is comparable to a spaghetti strainer stopping water.

The mask is however, quite useful as a symbol of fear.
When faithfully worn by the masses in public, it offers up the message to all that "everything in Trumpland is terrible "

Other uses of mask wearing in public may include hiding ones identity during a peaceful protest, or others may don the mask simply to follow unconstitutional law and avoid civil penalties.

Thank you GasGuzzler. That's some excellent input.

I can tell you that Into the Night actually entered a definition for "Mask" ... and then it was gone. He had asked me to find an appropriate image to accompany his definition, but by the time I went to insert the image, the definition was gone.

In any event, I believe that "Mask" and "Social Distancing" need to be mentioned as the "two pillars" of rules of the game that must be obeyed to avoid the penalty box.

Some people have felt free to become creative with their facemasks in absence of any medical concerns:










We all need to remember that there's a game to be played here.

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HarveyH55 wrote:
Somebody ought to go high tech, and do one to cover the whole head, with environmental controls, maybe an oxygen concentrator, blinking lights. Maybe some UV-C LEDs, to kill off biological crap coming in, going out. Some sort of hydration/nutrient tube/pump. Should be popular with the older folks, almost zero chance of being infected. Probably could be done, for just a couple hundred dollars in parts and materials. Backpack to carry batteries, some of the weightier components, even a nice 'green' solar panel to 'extend' battery charge. Imagine the profit potential would be huge, even if the Chinese ripped-off the idea. How could anyone prove the got infected, while wearing such head gear? Have to take it off occasionally.