WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

HarveyH55 wrote:
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WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

You are clueless, as always... I've used open-source for a lot of years. Mostly electronics projects, which includes programs and tools for microcontrollers. Open-source is mainly projects people are working on, want to share, maybe get some help make it better. Sometimes, one person's idea branches off in other directions. It's just about developing ideas, not commercial products. A lot of these products do become commercial products, since not everyone has the time, or tools to build them.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

You are clueless, as always... I've used open-source for a lot of years. Mostly electronics projects, which includes programs and tools for microcontrollers. Open-source is mainly projects people are working on, want to share, maybe get some help make it better. Sometimes, one person's idea branches off in other directions. It's just about developing ideas, not commercial products. A lot of these products do become commercial products, since not everyone has the time, or tools to build them.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

You are clueless, as always... I've used open-source for a lot of years. Mostly electronics projects, which includes programs and tools for microcontrollers. Open-source is mainly projects people are working on, want to share, maybe get some help make it better. Sometimes, one person's idea branches off in other directions. It's just about developing ideas, not commercial products. A lot of these products do become commercial products, since not everyone has the time, or tools to build them.

So I installed Ubuntu on my pc on a spare drive. Worked fine until I tried to find the driver for my new HP printer. Went to the Ubuntu help board and they said that I was out of luck and to buy a supported printer. Then I reminded them that HP was a premier printer manufacturer and that without HP support that they would lose market share. Then they banned me and I determined that windows was both easier and cheaper if my time had value which it does. That said my son's top secret Navy cryptology stuff is mostly in Linux, as far as I know anyway.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

You are clueless, as always... I've used open-source for a lot of years. Mostly electronics projects, which includes programs and tools for microcontrollers. Open-source is mainly projects people are working on, want to share, maybe get some help make it better. Sometimes, one person's idea branches off in other directions. It's just about developing ideas, not commercial products. A lot of these products do become commercial products, since not everyone has the time, or tools to build them.

So I installed Ubuntu on my pc on a spare drive. Worked fine until I tried to find the driver for my new HP printer. Went to the Ubuntu help board and they said that I was out of luck and to buy a supported printer. Then I reminded them that HP was a premier printer manufacturer and that without HP support that they would lose market share. Then they banned me and I determined that windows was both easier and cheaper if my time had value which it does. That said my son's top secret Navy cryptology stuff is mostly in Linux, as far as I know anyway.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

What a moron.

You are actually trying to argue that Linux Torvald has no clue how his own kernel works?????!??
You are actually trying to argue that the people that created openSSL have no idea how it works?????!?
You are actually trying to argue that CERN had no idea what how the Apache web server they created actually works????!?
You are actually trying to argue that Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie have no idea how the C compiler that they invented actually works?????!?

Gawd...you're a moron!

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

I screwed around with linux and learned only that my time is wasted while screwing around with linux, because all I did with my time while using linux was screw around trying to get linux to work properly. Paying for win is way cheaper than not paying for linux, just a fact as my time has value. All linux accomplishes is making fools feel smart for not using win. That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying. Used to be the CIA, but not no more

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

My printer, a state of the art HP for the time did not run on linux, the Ubuntu group told me this then banned me and told me to fart off. So if I really wanted my computer to run this printer it was up to me to write the driver myself. Sounds intriguing for the 0.02% of the population that can do this, but in reality it would have been a total waste of my time as by the time I succeeded the printer would be replaced. See simpletons like you do not factor in your own time wasted playing with anything open source. Then when you do succeed if you do you are not allowed to sell what you just created, all you can do is give it away to the enemy.

LOL you think that open source is safe, because the software was written in Russia or China then uploaded from a server in Iowa to your computer.

Conclusion, you are a dumbass

Keys please

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

My printer, a state of the art HP for the time did not run on linux, the Ubuntu group told me this then banned me and told me to fart off. So if I really wanted my computer to run this printer it was up to me to write the driver myself. Sounds intriguing for the 0.02% of the population that can do this, but in reality it would have been a total waste of my time as by the time I succeeded the printer would be replaced. See simpletons like you do not factor in your own time wasted playing with anything open source. Then when you do succeed if you do you are not allowed to sell what you just created, all you can do is give it away to the enemy.

LOL you think that open source is safe, because the software was written in Russia or China then uploaded from a server in Iowa to your computer.

Conclusion, you are a dumbass

Keys please

It was your responsibility to check compatibility before you bought it. You're stupid, and fukked up, own it. Don't you got banned for being stupid, just the stupid, jerk-off comments you leave, when nobody pays attention to you. Probably couldn't comprehend the suggestions given, and demanded others do all the work for you, using childish insults, of course. Drivers aren't necessarily written from scratch. There are tools to do much of the work for you. But, you really don't understand Linux. The concept is to just install what you want, and need. Each installation is specific for your computer, and peripherals. You avoid carrying the bloat, of compatibility with hundreds of possibilities, that don't apply. There are dozens of other Linux user forums, not just the official site. Crying only works for babies... Adults who cry, because they don't get what they want, are laughed at.

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, basically, you have only one computer, and know very little about how to use it... I've actually got three. One is what I use for the internet, and general computing. One is dedicated to 3d printing. Even a small simple print takes an hour. 5-6 hours pretty average. Long time to go, without messing with computer, and needing to check the print occasionally. Not worth risking screwing up the print in progress, little chance of recovery. Keeps all my modeling and slicing programs in on place as well. The third is for electronics, which is used to program chips, and a few other things.

$300 HP laserjet is low-end, cheapest they sell...

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
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WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

You are clueless, as always... I've used open-source for a lot of years. Mostly electronics projects, which includes programs and tools for microcontrollers. Open-source is mainly projects people are working on, want to share, maybe get some help make it better. Sometimes, one person's idea branches off in other directions. It's just about developing ideas, not commercial products. A lot of these products do become commercial products, since not everyone has the time, or tools to build them.

So I installed Ubuntu on my pc on a spare drive. Worked fine until I tried to find the driver for my new HP printer. Went to the Ubuntu help board and they said that I was out of luck and to buy a supported printer. Then I reminded them that HP was a premier printer manufacturer and that without HP support that they would lose market share. Then they banned me and I determined that windows was both easier and cheaper if my time had value which it does. That said my son's top secret Navy cryptology stuff is mostly in Linux, as far as I know anyway.

What about operating system do you understand? Peripherals made for Apple computers, aren't instantly, or ever support on Windows. Apple doesn't support anything that was built by a company that refuses to buy a license. Linux support is usually slow, but if somebody thinks it's worth the time, will write a driver for most anything. You obviously didn't shop well, and check compatibility. HP will probably release a Linux driver eventually... There is a market, and potential sales. Surprised you made such a rookie mistake, considering how you invented hot-swap-able hard drives...

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

What a moron.

You are actually trying to argue that Linux Torvald has no clue how his own kernel works?????!??
You are actually trying to argue that the people that created openSSL have no idea how it works?????!?
You are actually trying to argue that CERN had no idea what how the Apache web server they created actually works????!?
You are actually trying to argue that Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie have no idea how the C compiler that they invented actually works?????!?

Gawd...you're a moron!

Open source is free krap. See if someone wants to give you a ton of free gold with your free OS.

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

HarveyH55 wrote:
For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

HarveyH55 wrote:
You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

I screwed around with linux and learned only that my time is wasted while screwing around with linux, because all I did with my time while using linux was screw around trying to get linux to work properly. Paying for win is way cheaper than not paying for linux, just a fact as my time has value. All linux accomplishes is making fools feel smart for not using win. That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying. Used to be the CIA, but not no more

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

My printer, a state of the art HP for the time did not run on linux,

Swan wrote:
the Ubuntu group told me this then banned me and told me to fart off.

Swan wrote:
So if I really wanted my computer to run this printer it was up to me to write the driver myself.

Swan wrote:
Sounds intriguing for the 0.02% of the population that can do this, but in reality it would have been a total waste of my time as by the time I succeeded the printer would be replaced.

Swan wrote:
See simpletons like you do not factor in your own time wasted playing with anything open source.

Swan wrote:
Then when you do succeed if you do you are not allowed to sell what you just created, all you can do is give it away to the enemy.

Swan wrote:
LOL you think that open source is safe,

Swan wrote:
because the software was written in Russia or China then uploaded from a server in Iowa to your computer.

Swan wrote:
Conclusion, you are a dumbass

Keys please

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

My printer, a state of the art HP for the time did not run on linux, the Ubuntu group told me this then banned me and told me to fart off. So if I really wanted my computer to run this printer it was up to me to write the driver myself. Sounds intriguing for the 0.02% of the population that can do this, but in reality it would have been a total waste of my time as by the time I succeeded the printer would be replaced. See simpletons like you do not factor in your own time wasted playing with anything open source. Then when you do succeed if you do you are not allowed to sell what you just created, all you can do is give it away to the enemy.

LOL you think that open source is safe, because the software was written in Russia or China then uploaded from a server in Iowa to your computer.

Conclusion, you are a dumbass

Keys please

It was your responsibility to check compatibility before you bought it. You're stupid, and fukked up, own it. Don't you got banned for being stupid, just the stupid, jerk-off comments you leave, when nobody pays attention to you. Probably couldn't comprehend the suggestions given, and demanded others do all the work for you, using childish insults, of course. Drivers aren't necessarily written from scratch. There are tools to do much of the work for you. But, you really don't understand Linux. The concept is to just install what you want, and need. Each installation is specific for your computer, and peripherals. You avoid carrying the bloat, of compatibility with hundreds of possibilities, that don't apply. There are dozens of other Linux user forums, not just the official site. Crying only works for babies... Adults who cry, because they don't get what they want, are laughed at.

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Both Windows and IOS take a lot of resources, just to spy on you. Always have, and that's the appeal of Linux. You aren't providing user data, sold to anyone with a checkbook, and you are freeing up resources on your computer. Applications run faster, you internet access is faster. You struggle with technical stuff, because you lack the intelligence, and education. Linux let's you install just what you want and need. Windows and IOS is bloatware. They make everyone install everything any users could possibly need, the whole package. A whole lot of crap, you will never use. Your difficulty comes from not knowing what you want or need, other than someone else doing the work for you. You aren't even smart enough to get assistance online, or understand the idiot-guides that walk you through the installation.

To clarify... Linux is not a replacement for Windows or IOS, is an alternative. Some Windows and IOS applications can be made to work with Linux, many do not. There are Linux versions of most things, that work similarly though. You struggled to learn Windows, and any application. You are scared you might have to learn new things, just so hard for you. The pain meds probably prevent you from focusing...

My printer, a state of the art HP for the time did not run on linux, the Ubuntu group told me this then banned me and told me to fart off. So if I really wanted my computer to run this printer it was up to me to write the driver myself. Sounds intriguing for the 0.02% of the population that can do this, but in reality it would have been a total waste of my time as by the time I succeeded the printer would be replaced. See simpletons like you do not factor in your own time wasted playing with anything open source. Then when you do succeed if you do you are not allowed to sell what you just created, all you can do is give it away to the enemy.

LOL you think that open source is safe, because the software was written in Russia or China then uploaded from a server in Iowa to your computer.

Conclusion, you are a dumbass

Keys please

It was your responsibility to check compatibility before you bought it. You're stupid, and fukked up, own it. Don't you got banned for being stupid, just the stupid, jerk-off comments you leave, when nobody pays attention to you. Probably couldn't comprehend the suggestions given, and demanded others do all the work for you, using childish insults, of course. Drivers aren't necessarily written from scratch. There are tools to do much of the work for you. But, you really don't understand Linux. The concept is to just install what you want, and need. Each installation is specific for your computer, and peripherals. You avoid carrying the bloat, of compatibility with hundreds of possibilities, that don't apply. There are dozens of other Linux user forums, not just the official site. Crying only works for babies... Adults who cry, because they don't get what they want, are laughed at.

You are clueless, I bought the printer for win and it worked fine, then I played with Ubuntu on a spare drive and when I could not get it to work, I asked Ubuntu for help. Since they had to admit on their own board that HP printers were not supported, I embarrassed them as badly as you are being embarrassed now. So at this point I had a choice, throw away my state of the art 300 dollar printer and search ebay for a ten year old, 40 dollar out of ink printer that Ubuntu would support, or format ebunto into oblivion and pop my win drive back in and continue printing. The really sad thing is that unlike you with your university degree, Bill Gates is a certified drop out.

Yawn.

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, basically, you have only one computer, and know very little about how to use it... I've actually got three. One is what I use for the internet, and general computing. One is dedicated to 3d printing. Even a small simple print takes an hour. 5-6 hours pretty average. Long time to go, without messing with computer, and needing to check the print occasionally. Not worth risking screwing up the print in progress, little chance of recovery. Keeps all my modeling and slicing programs in on place as well. The third is for electronics, which is used to program chips, and a few other things.

$300 HP laserjet is low-end, cheapest they sell...

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

What a moron.

You are actually trying to argue that Linux Torvald has no clue how his own kernel works?????!??
You are actually trying to argue that the people that created openSSL have no idea how it works?????!?
You are actually trying to argue that CERN had no idea what how the Apache web server they created actually works????!?
You are actually trying to argue that Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie have no idea how the C compiler that they invented actually works?????!?

Gawd...you're a moron!

Open source is free krap. See if someone wants to give you a ton of free gold with your free OS.

Linux is free. Gold is not.

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, basically, you have only one computer, and know very little about how to use it... I've actually got three. One is what I use for the internet, and general computing. One is dedicated to 3d printing. Even a small simple print takes an hour. 5-6 hours pretty average. Long time to go, without messing with computer, and needing to check the print occasionally. Not worth risking screwing up the print in progress, little chance of recovery. Keeps all my modeling and slicing programs in on place as well. The third is for electronics, which is used to program chips, and a few other things.

$300 HP laserjet is low-end, cheapest they sell...

Linux can work with HPGL, and Laserjet II and III codes.

Guess his $300 laserjet is not speaking any of those codes. It's a particularly wacky one from HP. There probably is a driver for it though. Most likely in the Gutenberg project.

I have no problem with linux running my Brother laserjet or my 3d printer. I can hook into most any video card as well, including VGA, DVI-a, DVI-d, HDMI, or even SDI or composite.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

I screwed around with linux and learned only that my time is wasted while screwing around with linux, because all I did with my time while using linux was screw around trying to get linux to work properly. Paying for win is way cheaper than not paying for linux, just a fact as my time has value. All linux accomplishes is making fools feel smart for not using win. That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying. Used to be the CIA, but not no more

You'll never get Windows to run properly. With Linux you can.

Swan wrote: That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying.

The government has locked itself into MS Windows and MS Office applications, for everything from Top Secret to unclassified.

Swan wrote:Again my son is writing and debugging linux cryptography for the Navy now,

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Again my son is writing and debugging linux cryptography for the Navy now,

1. I didn't say Linux doesn't exist
2. Cryptography is not written in operating system, Linux is not a language.

Swan wrote: Actually linux is source code typically developed as an open-source operating system.

Swan wrote: Cryptography is the science of making your data unreadable to other people in a reliably reversible manner.

Swan wrote: You can perform public key cryptography with nothing more than a deck of cards, a pencil, and paper: computers just make the whole process a lot less tedious.

Swan wrote: Secondly, propaganda to the contrary, terrorists don't use cryptography or the internet in planning their attacks

Swan wrote:: if Osama bin Laden's kamikazes had been emailing encrypted plans back and forth it's highly likely that the NSA would have noticed the unusual traffic and consequently wouldn't have been taken by surprise.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
link

WHEN IS OPEN SOURCE AI NOT OPEN SOURCE AI?
No comments by: Jenny List
July 21, 2023

The world of AI is abuzz, or at least parts of it are, at the news of Meta's release of Llama 2. This is an AI text model which is thought to surpass ChatGPT in capabilities, and which the social media turned VR turned own all your things company wants you to know is open to all. That's right, the code is open source and you can download the model, and Meta want you to feel warm and fuzzy about it. Unfortunately all is not as it seems, because of course the model isn't open-source and is subject to a licensing restriction which makes it definitely not free of charge for larger users. This is of course disappointing to anyone hoping for an AI chatbot without restrictions, but we're guessing Meta would prefer not to inadvertently enable a competitor.

Happily for the open source user large or small who isn't afraid of a little work there's an alternative in the form of OpenLLaMA, but we understand that won't be for all users. Whichever LLM you use though, please don't make the mistake of imagining that it possesses actual intelligence.

Just gave Joe Biden the 'finger'... Meta has to comply with whatever 'deal' made with Biden, but they just gave the tools to the public, who can do what they want with it, privately. I'm sure Meta sees profit in it some where, but relieves them of a lot of governmental BS. The source code isn't an actual product most people can use, lot of tech stuff needs done, before it's complied and ready to use. Fortunately, the open-source community has plenty of people willing to go through it, and make an executable version available for the rest of us.

Open source was invented to make stuck classified issues available to the general public for solving. No one using the stuff has a clue what they are working on however

What a moron.

You are actually trying to argue that Linux Torvald has no clue how his own kernel works?????!??
You are actually trying to argue that the people that created openSSL have no idea how it works?????!?
You are actually trying to argue that CERN had no idea what how the Apache web server they created actually works????!?
You are actually trying to argue that Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie have no idea how the C compiler that they invented actually works?????!?

Gawd...you're a moron!

Open source is free krap. See if someone wants to give you a ton of free gold with your free OS.

Linux is free. Gold is not.

So linux is free, just like shit, covid 19, ebola, aids, malaria and hepatitis. Interesting, but I'll stick with the CIA version of win anyway. Enjoy your free shit

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
So, basically, you have only one computer, and know very little about how to use it... I've actually got three. One is what I use for the internet, and general computing. One is dedicated to 3d printing. Even a small simple print takes an hour. 5-6 hours pretty average. Long time to go, without messing with computer, and needing to check the print occasionally. Not worth risking screwing up the print in progress, little chance of recovery. Keeps all my modeling and slicing programs in on place as well. The third is for electronics, which is used to program chips, and a few other things.

$300 HP laserjet is low-end, cheapest they sell...

Linux can work with HPGL, and Laserjet II and III codes.

Guess his $300 laserjet is not speaking any of those codes. It's a particularly wacky one from HP. There probably is a driver for it though. Most likely in the Gutenberg project.

I have no problem with linux running my Brother laserjet or my 3d printer. I can hook into most any video card as well, including VGA, DVI-a, DVI-d, HDMI, or even SDI or composite.

Linux does not speak with any printer,

Swan wrote:
another piece of software called a driver

Swan wrote:
needs to be present to decode and translate,

Swan wrote:
and no one from ubuntu considered HP important enough to write the driver,

Swan wrote:
the company literally told me this firsthand

Swan wrote:
and then told me to get a supported and obsolete printer.

Swan wrote:
LOL, the fact is that it was way easier to hit ubuntu with partition magic. Again windows is the cheapest OS currently available, at least if you value your own time

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
Money isn't everything... Open-source is great, you don't have to install a bunch of crap you don't want, or need.

For the electronics projects, I seldom build the entire project, as posted. I'll use the portions relevent to what I want it to do. The firmware is great, because I haven't really learned 'C', but do alright modifying existing code. Never really got into 'structured' programming. But, I learn every time, and remember, gets easier.

You only have the capacity to use, with no comprehension of how or why it works. You buy the 'magic box', plug it in, try to follow a Chinglish instruction manual. Can't get it to work? You throw it in the trash, cry like a little girl for a while, and buy something else, hoping for a better outcome.

I screwed around with linux and learned only that my time is wasted while screwing around with linux, because all I did with my time while using linux was screw around trying to get linux to work properly. Paying for win is way cheaper than not paying for linux, just a fact as my time has value. All linux accomplishes is making fools feel smart for not using win. That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying. Used to be the CIA, but not no more

You'll never get Windows to run properly. With Linux you can.

LOL there is literally nothing more retarded than a linux user running a windows emulator. Seriously, I mean at least people with downs syndrome have an excuse, so what is your excuse?

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying.

The government has locked itself into MS Windows and MS Office applications, for everything from Top Secret to unclassified.

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: That said the government uses linux now for top secret applications because MS is the government division in charge of spying.

The government has locked itself into MS Windows and MS Office applications, for everything from Top Secret to unclassified.

Again my son is writing and debugging linux cryptography for the Navy now, because MS is the successor to the CIA as all of its products exist to spy on the Earth, and as such with a hole the government could use the win spy tools to spy on itself and find the locations of all the submerged storage bases in the USA that area 51 provides cover for.

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Again my son is writing and debugging linux cryptography for the Navy now,

1. I didn't say Linux doesn't exist
2. Cryptography is not written in operating system, Linux is not a language.

Actually linux is source code typically developed as an open-source operating system.

Swan wrote:
Cryptography is the science of making your data unreadable to other people in a reliably reversible manner.

Swan wrote:
Originally the tool of spies laboriously poring over code books and cipher charts,

Swan wrote:
cryptography has become essential in the computing field because computers let us compile and move around large amounts of data -- and let bad guys read it with great ease.

Swan wrote:
First, let's set a couple of misconceptions straight. All operating systems support cryptographic operations; there's nothing magical about it.

Swan wrote:
You can perform public key cryptography with nothing more than a deck of cards, a pencil, and paper:

Swan wrote:
computers just make the whole process a lot less tedious.

Swan wrote:
Secondly, propaganda to the contrary, terrorists don't use cryptography or the internet in planning their attacks:

Swan wrote:
if Osama bin Laden's kamikazes had been emailing encrypted plans back and forth it's highly likely that the NSA would have noticed the unusual traffic and consequently wouldn't have been taken by surprise.

Swan wrote:
This article isn't about enabling Shopper readers to go out and plan criminal atrocities.

Swan wrote:
Rather, it's about sensible ways of securing your data, verifying that the people you send and receive email with are who they say they are,

Swan wrote:
and ensuring that if your laptop is stolen the thief won't be able to read all your company's plans.

Swan wrote:
Cryptography is essential to all UNIX systems (including Linux) because they are, by design, multi-user computers.

Swan wrote:
When you type your password into a Linux system to log in, you are using cryptography: passwords are stored in an encrypted format in the /etc/shadow file, so that ordinary users can't read each other's password. The login process encrypts your password when you type it, and compares it to the stored, encrypted copy. If they match, you're in.[/b]