THE FUTURE OF HYDROGEN POWER

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

joseph369 wrote:I don't see that hydrogen has much of a future. We still need fossil fuels to economically extract hydrogen. Why not just burn the fossil fuels directly?

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

The paste doesn't burn. You should've read the article. I did. What they also say is that a viable source of clean energy needs to be realized to allow that idea to be feasible.
The paste itself is safe and can store more energy than a li-ion battery. What the paste needs to cause a reaction is water. No water, no reaction.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

The paste doesn't burn. You should've read the article. I did. What they also say is that a viable source of clean energy needs to be realized to allow that idea to be feasible.
The paste itself is safe and can store more energy than a li-ion battery. What the paste needs to cause a reaction is water. No water, no reaction.

Too bad it's so hard to find water... The paste also releases hydrogen, when heated to 250 F, not the difficult to achieve either. Basically, it's an energy dense material, waiting to be used, and abused...

Guess you didn't click the link, and read through the comments. Most didn't care about the cost, efficiency, or if any of it could be reused. Though some brought those points up, it wasn't a deal breaker, as long as it's not petroleum. Thought it was kind of telling, about what going 'green' really means.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

The paste doesn't burn. You should've read the article. I did. What they also say is that a viable source of clean energy needs to be realized to allow that idea to be feasible.
The paste itself is safe and can store more energy than a li-ion battery. What the paste needs to cause a reaction is water. No water, no reaction.

Too bad it's so hard to find water... The paste also releases hydrogen, when heated to 250 F, not the difficult to achieve either. Basically, it's an energy dense material, waiting to be used, and abused...

Guess you didn't click the link, and read through the comments. Most didn't care about the cost, efficiency, or if any of it could be reused. Though some brought those points up, it wasn't a deal breaker, as long as it's not petroleum. Thought it was kind of telling, about what going 'green' really means.

I'm glad that you're not the person who's been leading technological change.
We'd still be using the horse and buggy.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Technology is for make our lives better, less labor. What benefits do I get out of electric car? Higher price, operating cost? Stranded along side of the road for hours, charging my dead battery. I drive a Ford Explorer. Would a Mercedes get me to work any better? Just because it's new, doesn't make it better.

mRNA vaccines are new technology, have you gotten yours yet? I hear that if you hang out at a vaccination site, near closing time, they'll stab anybody, rather than throw doses in the trash...

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

The paste doesn't burn. You should've read the article. I did. What they also say is that a viable source of clean energy needs to be realized to allow that idea to be feasible.
The paste itself is safe and can store more energy than a li-ion battery. What the paste needs to cause a reaction is water. No water, no reaction.

Too bad it's so hard to find water... The paste also releases hydrogen, when heated to 250 F, not the difficult to achieve either. Basically, it's an energy dense material, waiting to be used, and abused...

Guess you didn't click the link, and read through the comments. Most didn't care about the cost, efficiency, or if any of it could be reused. Though some brought those points up, it wasn't a deal breaker, as long as it's not petroleum. Thought it was kind of telling, about what going 'green' really means.

I'm glad that you're not the person who's been leading technological change.
We'd still be using the horse and buggy.

Technology is for make our lives better, less labor. What benefits do I get out of electric car? Higher price, operating cost? Stranded along side of the road for hours, charging my dead battery. I drive a Ford Explorer. Would a Mercedes get me to work any better? Just because it's new, doesn't make it better.

mRNA vaccines are new technology, have you gotten yours yet? I hear that if you hang out at a vaccination site, near closing time, they'll stab anybody, rather than throw doses in the trash...

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

Technology is for make our lives better, less labor. What benefits do I get out of electric car? Higher price, operating cost? Stranded along side of the road for hours, charging my dead battery. I drive a Ford Explorer. Would a Mercedes get me to work any better? Just because it's new, doesn't make it better.

mRNA vaccines are new technology, have you gotten yours yet? I hear that if you hang out at a vaccination site, near closing time, they'll stab anybody, rather than throw doses in the trash...

The VA called me and made me an appt. I got my first shot last week.
What you're missing with the paste is that could lower the cost of owning an EV.
It'd be an inexpensive way to store energy. In the article they did mention that the goal is to recycle the materials used in the paste.
The article that I had read went into more detail. And with the paste it can be dispensed from a service station. If so, then the spent paste could be collected and recycled. So am not sure what you're on about. If small scale power plants are built, then it would be a source of clean energy.
As for what you drive, like myself, you are only one person. And with what I am pursuing, some of it is about advancing a technology that is already in use. Basically a better solar panel. Kind of why I'd need the experiment that I'm pursuing to be successful Then as a disabled Veteran I could finally have a life. Discrimination because of my service connected disabilities got old a couple of decades ago. Kind of why I have goals that I've been pursuing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCy-a_E2I3s

Swan wrote:Hydrogen is damn near useless or too dangerous as fuel as every aspect has been tried

HarveyH55 wrote:
Cost money and energy to produce the hydrogen for the paste. Unsure of how recyclable, just because it could be, doesn't mean it's practical, or cost effective. If the waste paste isn't recycled, it's not really clean energy.

Cost money and energy to produce the hydrogen for the paste.

If the waste paste isn't recycled, it's not really clean energy.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Hydrogen is damn near useless or too dangerous as fuel as every aspect has been tried

The Hindenberg wasn't using hydrogen as fuel, and the Zeppelin program proved the usefulness of hydrogen if you ignore its dangers.

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Into the Night wrote:The Hindenberg didn't burn from the hydrogen.

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:The Hindenberg didn't burn from the hydrogen.

I'm thinking that Pete Rogers is correct. The Hindenberg experienced a Kelvin-Helmholtz contraction which converted it into a fusion reactor and it became thermally enhanced.

When people started jumping from the flying ball of flame, they were performing negative work.

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Into the Night wrote:So 'negative work' results in a splat and your body being burned by a huge hunk of aluminum and burning fabric landing on it?

ToniM wrote:
My my! what a lot of will-waving!

With tens of thousands of scientists (FAR more illustrious ones than any of us here!) warning the world at the top of their voices for the past 50 years about the very things that are now stark reality (5 hottest years on record, oceans on the brink of collapse, extensive coral bleaching, melting Antartic and worse)... isn't it time everyone grew up and pulled together?

I read so much disinformation masquerading as skepticism, sponsored by the Fossil Fuel and Lithium mining giants. Some of it here, looking back at information about H2 technologies that is decades out of date (the Hindenberg disaster is thought to have happened because of the flamable doping of the outer envelope, as much as the H2, and would have happened even if it had been filled with helium).

It's worth taking a look at some of the projects by the likes of Bosch, Hyundai, Toyota etc. to update some of that trite old info; https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/

And yes, some are news of the hold-ups, challenges and failures that have affected the development of hydrogen technology.... like EVERY technology ever developed.

H2 has been held back by exactly the kind of negative press I read here, and THAT was paid for by the fossil fuel lobbies, only now the Lithium, Cobalt and other mining corporations - not to mention the Nuclear lobby - are dishing out some fat rewards for those prepared to whip-up that kind of negative press for H2 Tech.

BTW... please, don't come back waving your superior willies at me, you'd only embarrass yourselves!

PS Does IB stand for Irritable Bowel?

About:

Big heavy H2 tanks... as dicussed, metal hydrides have already been identified as the alternative, and Electriq Global are building a plant near Amsterdam to produce H2 fuel in poweder form. https://www.electriq.com/

Cost and efficiency are not always the key factors, where there is abundance, that is one of the differences between physics and biology, and it behoves humans to stop thinking like accountants and tsrt looking at how nature often does things quite inefficiently, that work eprfectly well - case in point: the flight of bees and bumble bees.

One factor few appear to have considered: GREEEN H2, produced by electrolysis powered by renewables and storing that H2 in a stable compound (e.g. powder metal hydride), when recombined in fuel cells give back not just electricity but also pure water and heat, both valuable byproducts.

What's more, with drinking H2O being one of THE most threatened resources on the planet, owing to Sea Level Rise threatening to indundate acquifers, AND landfills (or whatever they are called in Am'rica), and pollute what little groundwater is left - not to mention loss of stored ice from retreating glaciers that will one day cease to feed stream, rivers and lakes - having stored energy-water-heat in H2 may prove extremely useful.

But I guess MY top concern, as a mother and grandmother, and as an Environmental Scientist, is my daughter, little granddaughters and the survival of the REST oflife on Earth.

Frankly, I couldn't care less whether the willy-waving MAGA-tts live or die, they are a parasitic infestations fed and spread by the likes of Trump and Bannon.

I just hope that the post-Putin-Trump-Xi-Modi world has time to address the reality of overconsumption of climate-wrecking fuels/meat/products, and curb greed and hubris of our now increasingly parasitic species, prepared to gorge on its own planet and their children's futures, for the sake of their own, pathetic self-aggrandissement.







https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
https://hackaday.com/2021/02/06/the-future-of-hydrogen-power-is-paste/

Saw this article, and figured I'd share... I didn't dig in deep, and click the source link, for which the article was written. Mostly, it was the comment section, after the article, that should give a good chuckle.

We've been promised hydrogen-powered engines for some time now. One downside though is the need for hydrogen vehicles to have heavy high-pressure tanks. While a 700 bar tank and the accompanying fuel cell is acceptable for a city bus or a truck, it becomes problematic with smaller vehicles, especially ones such as scooters or even full-sized motorcycles. The Fraunhofer Institute wants to run smaller vehicles on magnesium hydride in a paste form that they call POWERPASTE.

The idea is that the paste effectively stores hydrogen at normal temperature and pressure. At 250C, the paste decomposes and releases its hydrogen. While your motorcycle may seem hot when parked in the sun, it isn't getting quite to 250C.


Interestingly, the paste only provides half the available hydrogen. The rest is from water added start a reaction to release the hydrogen. Fraunhofer claims the energy density available is greater than that of a 700 bar tank in a conventional hydrogen system and ten times more than current battery technology.

One thing that's attractive is that the paste is easy to store and pump. A gas station, for example, could invest $20-30,000 and dispense the paste from a metal drum to meet low demand and then scale up as needed. A hydrogen pumping setup starts at about $1.2 million. Fraunhofer is building a pilot production plant that will produce about four tons of the material a year.

This isn't a totally new idea, of course. Using metal hydrides to store hydrogen chemically has other proponents, including French company McPhy energy. There have also been schemes to use other hydrides in powder form as well as chemical hydrogen carriers like formic acid and ammonia.

Obviously, they aren't concerned about cost, or efficiency. Not to mention safety, or probable alternative uses of this fuel paste. Got a hunch this paste would be hard to extinguish, if set on fire, and it would burn pretty hot, explosively as well. With the 'greens' also being anti-gun, this paste might also be used in place of gunpowder, for a new generation of firearms. Pretty cool of them, mess with one tool, but hand us something that can work just as well...

I didn't leave a comment, which usually gets deleted anyway... My comments are automatically moderated, since I'm a frequent offender. These people are totally absorb in the 'green' thing.

The paste doesn't burn. You should've read the article. I did. What they also say is that a viable source of clean energy needs to be realized to allow that idea to be feasible.
The paste itself is safe and can store more energy than a li-ion battery. What the paste needs to cause a reaction is water. No water, no reaction.

Too bad it's so hard to find water... The paste also releases hydrogen, when heated to 250 F, not the difficult to achieve either. Basically, it's an energy dense material, waiting to be used, and abused...

Guess you didn't click the link, and read through the comments. Most didn't care about the cost, efficiency, or if any of it could be reused. Though some brought those points up, it wasn't a deal breaker, as long as it's not petroleum. Thought it was kind of telling, about what going 'green' really means.

ToniM wrote:
My my! what a lot of will-waving!

With tens of thousands of scientists (FAR more illustrious ones than any of us here!)

ToniM wrote:
warning the world at the top of their voices for the past 50 years about the very things that are now stark reality (5 hottest years on record, oceans on the brink of collapse, extensive coral bleaching, melting Antartic and worse)... isn't it time everyone grew up and pulled together?

ToniM wrote:
I read so much disinformation masquerading as skepticism, sponsored by the Fossil Fuel and Lithium mining giants.

ToniM wrote:
Some of it here, looking back at information about H2 technologies that is decades out of date (the Hindenberg disaster is thought to have happened because of the flamable doping of the outer envelope, as much as the H2, and would have happened even if it had been filled with helium).

ToniM wrote:
It's worth taking a look at some of the projects by the likes of Bosch, Hyundai, Toyota etc. to update some of that trite old info; https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/

ToniM wrote:
And yes, some are news of the hold-ups, challenges and failures that have affected the development of hydrogen technology.... like EVERY technology ever developed.

ToniM wrote:
H2 has been held back by exactly the kind of negative press I read here,

ToniM wrote:
and THAT was paid for by the fossil fuel lobbies,

ToniM wrote:
only now the Lithium, Cobalt and other mining corporations - not to mention the Nuclear lobby - are dishing out some fat rewards for those prepared to whip-up that kind of negative press for H2 Tech.

ToniM wrote:
BTW... please, don't come back waving your superior willies at me, you'd only embarrass yourselves!

PS Does IB stand for Irritable Bowel?

About:

ToniM wrote:
Big heavy H2 tanks... as dicussed, metal hydrides have already been identified as the alternative, and Electriq Global are building a plant near Amsterdam to produce H2 fuel in poweder form. https://www.electriq.com/

ToniM wrote:
Cost and efficiency are not always the key factors, where there is abundance, that is one of the differences between physics and biology, and it behoves humans to stop thinking like accountants and tsrt looking at how nature often does things quite inefficiently, that work eprfectly well - case in point: the flight of bees and bumble bees.

ToniM wrote:
One factor few appear to have considered: GREEEN H2, produced by electrolysis powered by renewables and storing that H2 in a stable compound (e.g. powder metal hydride), when recombined in fuel cells give back not just electricity but also pure water and heat, both valuable byproducts.
TANSTAAFL. You cannot produce hydrogen using electrolysis without using a LOT more electricity than simply charging an EV battery. You will never get the energy that you put into making the hydrogen (and pressurizing it!) than you will get by using the hydrogen as a fuel.
[quote]ToniM wrote:
What's more, with drinking H2O being one of THE most threatened resources on the planet, owing to Sea Level Rise threatening to indundate acquifers,

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AND landfills (or whatever they are called in Am'rica),

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and pollute what little groundwater is left -

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not to mention loss of stored ice from retreating glaciers that will one day cease to feed stream, rivers and lakes -

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having stored energy-water-heat in H2 may prove extremely useful.

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But I guess MY top concern, as a mother and grandmother, and as an Environmental Scientist,

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is my daughter, little granddaughters and the survival of the REST oflife on Earth.

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Frankly, I couldn't care less whether the willy-waving MAGA-tts live or die, they are a parasitic infestations fed and spread by the likes of Trump and Bannon.

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I just hope that the post-Putin-Trump-Xi-Modi world has time to address the reality of overconsumption

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of climate-wrecking fuels/meat/products,

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and curb greed and hubris of our now increasingly parasitic species,

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prepared to gorge on its own planet and their children's futures, for the sake of their own, pathetic self-aggrandissement.

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It seems to me this "forum" is dominated by AmeriNazis...

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Not a place worth hanging out... waste of time.

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One would hope to debate with adults with an IQ and post-Neanderthal DNA, not troglodytes.

Into the Night wrote:

ToniM wrote:
It seems to me this "forum" is dominated by AmeriNazis...

There it is...Godwin's law.

ToniM wrote:
Not a place worth hanging out... waste of time.

What? You are finding out that you can't get away with preaching here?

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One would hope to debate with adults with an IQ and post-Neanderthal DNA, not troglodytes.

Considering that it is YOU that is ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and YOU ignoring chemistry, it seems to be YOU that is insisting on being ignorant and uneducated.

ToniM wrote:
It seems to me this "forum" is dominated by AmeriNazis...

Not a place worth hanging out... waste of time.

One would hope to debate with adults with an IQ and post-Neanderthal DNA, not troglodytes.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

ToniM wrote:
It seems to me this "forum" is dominated by AmeriNazis...

There it is...Godwin's law.

ToniM wrote:
Not a place worth hanging out... waste of time.

What? You are finding out that you can't get away with preaching here?

ToniM wrote:
One would hope to debate with adults with an IQ and post-Neanderthal DNA, not troglodytes.

Considering that it is YOU that is ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and YOU ignoring chemistry, it seems to be YOU that is insisting on being ignorant and uneducated.

Since the universe cannot actually be mathematically proved to be real,

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there are no physical laws,

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just observations.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

ToniM wrote:
It seems to me this "forum" is dominated by AmeriNazis...

There it is...Godwin's law.

ToniM wrote:
Not a place worth hanging out... waste of time.

What? You are finding out that you can't get away with preaching here?

ToniM wrote:
One would hope to debate with adults with an IQ and post-Neanderthal DNA, not troglodytes.

Considering that it is YOU that is ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and YOU ignoring chemistry, it seems to be YOU that is insisting on being ignorant and uneducated.

Since the universe cannot actually be mathematically proved to be real,

Proof by Identity...a proof in logic, not math.

Swan wrote:
there are no physical laws,

Theories of science when transcribed into a closed functional system such as mathematics, produce an equation, called a 'law'.

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just observations.

Science is not observations or data. Observations are not a proof either. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology.

Swan wrote: There is no equation for thermodynamics because when scaled up to the universal level all equations fail as 85 percent of the universe is missing making what you call a law merely a failed wet dream. So there are no physical laws until the equations balance.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: There is no equation for thermodynamics because when scaled up to the universal level all equations fail as 85 percent of the universe is missing making what you call a law merely a failed wet dream. So there are no physical laws until the equations balance.

Yes, this might very well be the stupidest blemish on the internet. Wow!

Swan wrote: So you can balance gravity?

Swan wrote: Please post the equation where gravity accounts for the increasing speed of the expanding universe,

Swan wrote: LOL according to your hero einstoopud the universe is static and not even expanding.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: So you can balance gravity?

So, you think you can go one day without being the most gullible person on the planet?

Swan wrote: Please post the equation where gravity accounts for the increasing speed of the expanding universe,

Please post a valid reason any rational adult should believe that the expansion of the observable universe is somehow accelerating.

Please post a valid reason any rational adult should believe that you are omniscient about the distant, unobserved past.

Please post a valid reason any rational adult should believe that a digital value can be assigned to a photon, much less to a half-photon. Also, please include a valid reason for believing that the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle can be overcome, allowing individual photons to somehow be found, identified, grabbed and stamped with a value. Please include a valid reason any rational adult should believe that anyone can somehow split a photon, can verify said splitting and can somehow capture and contain both halves for independent shipping to different desired locations.

Please post a valid reason that any rational adult should not recognize two or more bonded gold atoms as two or more bonded atoms ... which happens to be the definition of a molecule.

Please post a valid reason that a native English speaker should not recognize an amphibious animal as an amphibian.

Please post a valid reason that any rational adult should believe that you know anything about encryption beyond how the word is spelled.



You don't have any valid reasons for the crap that you post, do you?

Swan wrote: LOL according to your hero einstoopud the universe is static and not even expanding.

This is a king-tipper. When you have nothing, you fall back on misrepresenting the positions of others. In this case, you know that I don't ever quote Einstein. I cite science, specifically the theory of Relativity. Your pretense that you have somehow declared Relativity to be in error definitely merits a chuckle.

You may now resume coloring with the other children.