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Green Hydrogen04-08-2023 15:04
ToniM
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Hello All,

I have been a proponent of a Green Hydrogen Economy - that is H2 that is produced by electrolysis - and for that purpose signed-up to a couple of sites, so I could keep up with developments:

* Hydrogen Fuel News
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ and

* Fuel Cells Works
https://fuelcellsworks.com/

It seems to me that several key developments discussed on their sites that could represent a leap in technology that could take us one step closer to enable us to transition to a Green, Global Hydrogen Economy in relatively few years.

I am interested in impartial discussions about how this can be catalysed as widely as possible.

I am NOT interested in the intransigent bigotry of the likes of Elon Musk, who will consistently deny the feasibility of H2 as a global fuel, flying in the face of the evidence and recent developments.

The news on the above sites show big, global players are making giant strides towards this objective. Regrettably the disingenuous Fossil Fuel corporations still seek to sell us:

* Blue H2 (steam reformation of gas/coal + carbon capture)
* Grey H2 (same as Blue, but without the CO2 capture)
* Pink (from nuclear electricity)
* Torquoise (from Methane pyrolysis)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clean-energy-green-hydrogen/

I believe the feasibility of a Hydrogen Economy is several steps closer by the development of two crucial steps:

1) seawater electrolysis - that frees us from using much needed freshwater supplies
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-production-china-sea/8556602/

AND

2) conversion of H2(g) to a powder fuel H2(s) that is is safe and stable at standard pressure and ambient temperature by combining it with other elements, as a compound by pioneer

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-storage-electriq-award/8559243/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/electriq-powder-plant/8557504/

Electriq Group
https://www.electriq.com/

Q. 1. How do we get serious scoping of these potentials ahead of global R&D to make H2 mainstream?

The technology is probably best applied to larger scale projects, to begin with, while the efficiencies at lower scale - e.g. for fuel cell cars - are refined and the distribution systems developed.

Q2 How do we get investment to shift from Fossil Fuels and Nuclear to these new Tech, that can create millions of jobs, alonge the full supply chain, globally.

Q.3. What is the feasibility of establishing international projects in areas in dire need of development (e.g. North Africa and the Sahel)? These regions are rich in resources like sun, wind and sand (for manufacture of solar panels) and could benefit from large-bore seawater pipelines bringing in seawater for electrolysis and fuel production, using the above technologies

Q.4. Could a new iteration of the Move Your Money movement catalyse a migration of bank accounts, pension frunds and savings, from financial institutions currently financing Fossil Fuels, into ethical investments, and how?
04-08-2023 18:33
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Let's just put your redefinition fallacies aside for now.

The problem with using hydrogen as fuel is the simple fact that you have to manufacture all of the fuel. That means you must break the rather strong bond forming water and extract the hydrogen. Electrolysis is one common method of doing that.

This takes energy. Tremendous amounts of energy. Much more energy than you get by burning or using the hydrogen in a fuel cell.

Hydrogen has a very low energy density by weight or volume, even if you compress it to 4000 psi. This of course means you can't carry anywhere near enough energy with you that you get from gasoline.

Hydrogen is difficult to manufacture, store, transport, or use as a fuel, requiring special equipment to handle the pressures involved. One key point in this process is fueling the car. As hydrogen is let into the fuel tank of the car, the pressure drop will literally cause the nozzle to freeze to the car (taking about 1/2 hour to thaw it enough to finish fueling!). You can't use a heater at the nozzle for obvious safety reasons.

Energy is required to make the hydrogen, AND to pressurize it.

The amount of electricity you will need far exceeds the electricity used to just charge an EV to go the same distance.

If fuel cells are used, they have a few problems that most folks aren't really familiar with.

The first is the very slow response time for the fuel cell to come up to power. This means acceleration on such a car is extremely poor. One way to alleviate this problem is to store power in batteries (back to all the problems of an EV!), which act as a ballast while the fuel cell comes up to power. Once up to power, it drives the car and recharges the batteries. So...the car weighs a lot, has short range, requires a long time to fuel, and places an even greater strain on electrical systems than EVs do. Because the ballasting battery is typically Li-ion to save weight, you have all the fire risks associated with that to contend with as well.

The 2nd problem is cost of materials. Fuel cell manufacture requires the use of rare earths that are much rarer then that used in EV batteries or catalytic converters. This makes the fuel cell an easy target for thieves due to it's expensive nature.

The international project you suggest isn't practical due to the difficulty in transporting large amounts of hydrogen.

What is really needed is a fuel that is powerful, a fluid (to make it easily delivered to the the components in the car using it), can fit into a convenient sized energy storage cell (tank), is easy to produce, and is recyclable. Something that does not require heavy ballasting batteries or expensive components to use. It also must be economically feasible and something that people actually want to buy as their choice of fuel. Fortunately, we already have it.

Gasoline.
Edited on 04-08-2023 18:47
04-08-2023 23:09
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ToniM wrote:
Hello All,

I have been a proponent of a Green Hydrogen Economy - that is H2 that is produced by electrolysis - and for that purpose signed-up to a couple of sites, so I could keep up with developments:

* Hydrogen Fuel News
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ and

* Fuel Cells Works
https://fuelcellsworks.com/

It seems to me that several key developments discussed on their sites that could represent a leap in technology that could take us one step closer to enable us to transition to a Green, Global Hydrogen Economy in relatively few years.

I am interested in impartial discussions about how this can be catalysed as widely as possible.

I am NOT interested in the intransigent bigotry of the likes of Elon Musk, who will consistently deny the feasibility of H2 as a global fuel, flying in the face of the evidence and recent developments.

The news on the above sites show big, global players are making giant strides towards this objective. Regrettably the disingenuous Fossil Fuel corporations still seek to sell us:

* Blue H2 (steam reformation of gas/coal + carbon capture)
* Grey H2 (same as Blue, but without the CO2 capture)
* Pink (from nuclear electricity)
* Torquoise (from Methane pyrolysis)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clean-energy-green-hydrogen/

I believe the feasibility of a Hydrogen Economy is several steps closer by the development of two crucial steps:

1) seawater electrolysis - that frees us from using much needed freshwater supplies
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-production-china-sea/8556602/

AND

2) conversion of H2(g) to a powder fuel H2(s) that is is safe and stable at standard pressure and ambient temperature by combining it with other elements, as a compound by pioneer

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-storage-electriq-award/8559243/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/electriq-powder-plant/8557504/

Electriq Group
https://www.electriq.com/

Q. 1. How do we get serious scoping of these potentials ahead of global R&D to make H2 mainstream?

The technology is probably best applied to larger scale projects, to begin with, while the efficiencies at lower scale - e.g. for fuel cell cars - are refined and the distribution systems developed.

Q2 How do we get investment to shift from Fossil Fuels and Nuclear to these new Tech, that can create millions of jobs, alonge the full supply chain, globally.

Q.3. What is the feasibility of establishing international projects in areas in dire need of development (e.g. North Africa and the Sahel)? These regions are rich in resources like sun, wind and sand (for manufacture of solar panels) and could benefit from large-bore seawater pipelines bringing in seawater for electrolysis and fuel production, using the above technologies

Q.4. Could a new iteration of the Move Your Money movement catalyse a migration of bank accounts, pension frunds and savings, from financial institutions currently financing Fossil Fuels, into ethical investments, and how?


1. Hydrogen is not green, and it is no safer today than when this happened




IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
05-08-2023 00:15
ToniM
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<sighs> I do suggest to you both that you READ before you write... that is why I posted the links to the Hydrogen Fuel News site.

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-fuel-car-sales-2023/8560033/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-car-rowan-atkinson/8559847/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-vehicles-toyota-yeg/8559700/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-fuel-al-2024-olympic/8559423/

https://www.topspeed.com/toyotas-hydrogen-combustion-engine-has-the-potential-to-make-evs-obsolete/

https://mag.toyota.co.uk/hydrogen-gr-yaris-showcases-experimental-engine/

Yes, there are tehnical obstacles, but, as it happens, we now have H2 pilots, especially in trains, trucking and even aeroplanes, by large concerns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2022/11/06/the-hydrogen-economy-will-soon-be-ready-for-take-off-including-planes-and-power-plants/

It always amuses me how much vitriol is poured out in the responses to any conversation about the ongoing evolution of H2 technology; I guess one might attribute it either to out-of-date information or a deep-seated antipathy and mistrust amongst the petrolheads of the world
05-08-2023 01:24
ToniM
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Swan wrote:

1. Hydrogen is not green, and it is no safer today than when this happened





WOW! you didn't' alf take that personally, mate!!!

Clear indication of bigotry

1) GREEN hydrogen is green when it's produced by electrolysis of water powered by Renwables

2) Trump is a cheap little scab, pushed by the Petrodollars, had he not been born wealthy he'd have been a pimp, a petty thief or a drug dealer

3) MAGA = Make America Green Again

You need to follow the links I posted and update your understanding of H2 technologies in THIS century, rather than cite irrelevant information from the 1930s

PS Read-up about the Hinderberg before citing bollocks


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster
05-08-2023 04:35
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ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

1. Hydrogen is not green, and it is no safer today than when this happened





WOW! you didn't' alf take that personally, mate!!!

Clear indication of bigotry

1) GREEN hydrogen is green when it's produced by electrolysis of water powered by Renwables

2) Trump is a cheap little scab, pushed by the Petrodollars, had he not been born wealthy he'd have been a pimp, a petty thief or a drug dealer

3) MAGA = Make America Green Again

You need to follow the links I posted and update your understanding of H2 technologies in THIS century, rather than cite irrelevant information from the 1930s

PS Read-up about the Hinderberg before citing bollocks


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster


Hydrogen fuel cells are only 30 percent efficient as compared to batteries.

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
05-08-2023 04:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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ToniM wrote:
<sighs> I do suggest to you both that you READ before you write... that is why I posted the links to the Hydrogen Fuel News site.

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-fuel-car-sales-2023/8560033/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-car-rowan-atkinson/8559847/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-vehicles-toyota-yeg/8559700/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-fuel-al-2024-olympic/8559423/

https://www.topspeed.com/toyotas-hydrogen-combustion-engine-has-the-potential-to-make-evs-obsolete/

https://mag.toyota.co.uk/hydrogen-gr-yaris-showcases-experimental-engine/

Yes, there are tehnical obstacles, but, as it happens, we now have H2 pilots, especially in trains, trucking and even aeroplanes, by large concerns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2022/11/06/the-hydrogen-economy-will-soon-be-ready-for-take-off-including-planes-and-power-plants/

It always amuses me how much vitriol is poured out in the responses to any conversation about the ongoing evolution of H2 technology; I guess one might attribute it either to out-of-date information or a deep-seated antipathy and mistrust amongst the petrolheads of the world

I've read each of these articles. The technical obstacles remain.

Why are you so afraid of gasoline?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

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While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
05-08-2023 05:04
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

1. Hydrogen is not green, and it is no safer today than when this happened





WOW! you didn't' alf take that personally, mate!!!

Clear indication of bigotry

1) GREEN hydrogen is green when it's produced by electrolysis of water powered by Renwables

Since oil and natural gas are renewable fuels, why not just use them to power cars?
ToniM wrote:
2) Trump is a cheap little scab, pushed by the Petrodollars, had he not been born wealthy he'd have been a pimp, a petty thief or a drug dealer

Trump is a successful real estate developer. He is not living off of his inheritance. As far as I know, he does not invest in oil. He understands it's value though.
ToniM wrote:
3) MAGA = Make America Green Again

Redefinition fallacy. You know what MAGA means just as well as I do. Hijacking it for the Church of Green is just a cheap shot.
ToniM wrote:
You need to follow the links I posted and update your understanding of H2 technologies in THIS century, rather than cite irrelevant information from the 1930s

I have read every link at one time or another (you are not the first to post them here!). The technical problems remain.
ToniM wrote:
PS Read-up about the Hinderberg before citing bollocks


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

He likes to blame a lot of things on the wrong thing. He has almost no understanding of aviation, chemistry, engineering, or science.

The use of hydrogen gas was not the cause of the Hindenburg disaster. This spectacular crash and fire resulted from the butyrate dope used to seal the envelope. This material is highly flammable, but it was used on a lot of aircraft at the time, including airplanes, zeppelins, and blimps. It is STILL used on some aircraft and blimps.

When the envelope burst open from the fire, the hydrogen was released and also caught fire as it vented (that's the big fireball at the top of the aircraft). The hydrogen was consumed in just a few seconds. The remaining fire was all dope covered fabric.

The ignition point occurred during a problematic attempt at landing during a storm. The anchor cables (which included a grounding cable) did not properly discharge the static electricity before the ship crashed into the tower and suffered in an uncontrolled manner the static electricity discharge. Static electricity normally accumulate during flight

With the supporting hydrogen gas gone, the burning craft plummeted onto the landing crew below and the gondola was also crushed and burned.

The cause was of the disaster was listed as poor weather conditions inducing loss of control during a critical maneuver. No one was held at fault.

Zeppelins still flew after this, but they fell out of favor for the faster and more maneuverable airplane. Static electricity accumulates on airplanes too, but their faster speed allows the use of discharge wires to stream it back off into the atmosphere.

On aircraft today, you typically will see these wires attached to the wing tips or tail section.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
05-08-2023 05:21
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There is actually no 'free' energy. With hydrogen, you will always use more energy to produce and store any useful quantity, than you will get back from burning it. Hydrogen power has been a dream for a long time. Water is our most plentiful resource on Earth, H2O... All you have to do is break the hydrogen-oxygen bond, and unlimited fuel. Been the myth that has sold many scams for a century, and still sells well. It fails for the same reason perpetual motion always fails. There is always going to be some losses as you convert on form to another. Always, people will look for a work-around to exploit. Mostly, it's gullible people with money to invest in these schemes, who get exploited.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Water fuel cell" redirects here. For other purported water fueled devices, see Water-fueled car. For fuel cells, see Fuel cell.
The water fuel cell is a technical design of a "perpetual motion machine" created by Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 20, 1998). Meyer claimed that a car retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.[1][2]

Description
The water fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen gas was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science.[1] The mechanism of action was alleged to involve "Brown's gas", a mixture of oxyhydrogen with a ratio of 2:1, the same composition as liquid water; which would then be mixed with ambient air (nitrogen, oxygen, argon, etc).[3] The resultant hydrogen gas was then burned to generate energy, which reconstituted the water molecules in another unit separate from the unit in which water was separated. If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics,[1][3] allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.[3]

The term "fuel cell"

The circuit[4]
Throughout his patents[4][5][6] Meyer used the terms "fuel cell" or "water fuel cell" to refer to the portion of his device in which electricity is passed through water to produce hydrogen and oxygen. Meyer's use of the term in this sense is contrary to its usual meaning in science and engineering, in which such cells are conventionally called "electrolytic cells".[7] Furthermore, the term "fuel cell" is usually reserved for cells that produce electricity from a chemical redox reaction,[8][9] whereas Meyer's fuel cell consumed electricity, as shown in his patents and in the circuit pictured on the right. Meyer describes in a 1990 patent the use of a "water fuel cell assembly" and portrays some images of his "fuel cell water capacitor". According to the patent, in this case "... the term 'fuel cell' refers to a single unit of the invention comprising a water capacitor cell ... that produces the fuel gas in accordance with the method of the invention."[5]

Media coverage

The water fuel cell[5]
In a news report on an Ohio TV station, Meyer showed a dune buggy he claimed was powered by his water fuel cell. He stated that only 22 US gallons (83 liters) of water were required to travel from Los Angeles to New York.[10] Furthermore, Meyer claimed to have replaced the spark plugs with "injectors" that introduced a hydrogen/oxygen mixture into the engine cylinders. The water was subjected to an electrical resonance that dissociated it into its basic atomic make-up. The water fuel cell would split the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas, which would then be combusted back into water vapor in a conventional internal combustion engine to produce net energy.[2]

Philip Ball, writing in academic journal Nature, characterized Meyer's claims as pseudoscience, noting that "It's not easy to establish how Meyer's car was meant to work, except that it involved a fuel cell that was able to split water using less energy than was released by recombination of the elements ... Crusaders against pseudoscience can rant and rave as much as they like, but in the end they might as well accept that the myth of water as a fuel is never going to go away."[3]

To date, no peer reviewed studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature. An article in journal Nature described Meyer's claims as one more "water as fuel" myth.[3]

Lawsuit
Stanley Meyer's invention was later termed fraudulent after two investors to whom he had sold dealerships offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology sued him in 1996. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[2] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses[who?] in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis." The court found Meyer had committed "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[2]

Meyer's death
Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 20, 1998, while dining at a restaurant. His brother claimed that during a meeting with two Belgian investors, Meyer suddenly ran outside, saying "They poisoned me".[1] After an investigation, the Grove City police agreed with the Franklin County coroner report that ruled that Meyer, who had high blood pressure, died of a cerebral aneurysm.[1] Some of Meyer's supporters believe that he was assassinated to suppress his inventions.[1][3][11] Philippe Vandemoortele, one of the Belgian investors, stated that he had been supporting Meyer financially for several years and considered him a personal friend, and that he has no idea where the rumours came from.[12]

Aftermath
Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment.[13] No engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work.


Even after his death, he still has a cult following of people hoping to recreate his claims, and probably make a few bucks scamming, like Stanley did... Wikipedia is the most reliable source of accurate, unbiased information, but in this case, it will do. The internet is full of Stanley Meyers articles, people needing help getting their fuel cells working as claimed. This was one of the biggest hydrogen scams in history.
05-08-2023 12:07
ToniM
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Swan wrote:
[quote]ToniM wrote:
[quote]Swan wrote:


Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


With that comment you completely outed yourself as INFERIOR and BENEATH CONTEMPT.

I decline to engage with creatures that are far beneath the majority of animals.

Face your destiny, when it comes, adn may Am'riKKKa be returned to its legitimate owners: the Indigenous First Nations, that SO put the likes of you to shame!

Happy extinction!
05-08-2023 12:10
ToniM
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Swan wrote:

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


This last remark outs you as the inferior, and your ignorance of Hydrogen technologies seals the deal!

I decline to engage with sub-humans. You are marked for deletion in the coming holocaust.

May Am'riKKKa soon be rid of diseased genealogies like yours and returned to its legitimate owners: its Native First Nations!
05-08-2023 14:10
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ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


This last remark outs you as the inferior, and your ignorance of Hydrogen technologies seals the deal!

I decline to engage with sub-humans. You are marked for deletion in the coming holocaust.

May Am'riKKKa soon be rid of diseased genealogies like yours and returned to its legitimate owners: its Native First Nations!


So in other words you have no argument to make as to Hydrogen fuel cells only being 30 percent effective and wasting 70 percent of the Hydrogen fuel.

PS. Technically it is not possible for you to decline to engage with me, without engaging with me, as you just did.

On the surface, hydrogen sounds like the wonder fuel to solve all our ecological problems. When employed in a fuel cell, its only byproduct is water, which is hardly going to destroy the atmosphere. But what really appeals to people is the fact you can refuel a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in the same kind of way as a fossil fuel car. No lifestyle changes are necessary. Your car will have a completely different engine inside, but unless you enjoy tinkering with its mechanicals, you won't notice from day to day. You can just head to a fuel station when you need a five-minute top-up, just like the good old days.

Hydrogen's Inherent Flaw
The problem is that this convenience hides a significant flaw in the technology that has somehow failed to be included in the marketing propaganda of hydrogen evangelists. It doesn't appear to be widely understood by those who have been listening to these messages either. The flaw is basically caused by the laws of physics. For hydrogen to be completely green, it must be produced by electrolyzing water, which splits this into the H2 and O that it is made of. You can produce H2 from fossil fuels (usually methane), but this creates either "grey" hydrogen (which still produces lots of CO2) or "blue" hydrogen (which captures 90% of the CO2 and stores it, merely delaying the problem). Only electrolyzing hydrogen from water using electricity generated from renewable sources makes the fuel entirely green.

Toyota Mirai at hydrogen pump
Hydrogen has already lost more than half of its energy before it even gets to the car.JAMES MORRIS
This is an inefficient system that wastes energy. According to a frequently cited study by Transport & Environment, the process of electrolyzing hydrogen already loses 30% of the energy from the process of splitting the H2 from the O. You then have another 26% loss of the remaining energy from transporting the hydrogen to the fuel station, meaning you've already lost a total of 48% of the energy before any hydrogen makes it into a vehicle. You can save some of this by making hydrogen on site, but electrolysis plants cost millions, so they will more likely be centralized. In comparison, the typical loss from transferring electricity over wires to a charging station is just 5%, so you still have 95% left.

Things are already looking bad for hydrogen before you even put it in a car, but then you have the inefficiency of the powertrain in the vehicle. There are ways to burn hydrogen directly using synthetic fuel types or even via a paste, but these fuels lose even more energy in the process of production, and potentially have particulate emissions issues too. So, instead, for most personal hydrogen-based transportation applications, a clever technology called a fuel cell is utilized. This recombines the hydrogen and oxygen to produce water, which also generates electricity. It's an incredible technical achievement, but unfortunately, you lose half the remaining energy in the process. This means you're now down to 26% of the original electricity.

Now what does this mean for Hydrogen transportation? Two things, an electric car that has 300 miles or range when converted to Hydrogen power only has 78 miles of range making it unusable and impractical for daily use. Or two, the car would have to be 74% larger in order to have a practical range, making a Hydrogen car far larger than two semi's rendering it even more impractical.

You may now continue babbling like Pocahontas




IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
05-08-2023 23:23
ToniM
☆☆☆☆☆
(9)
Swan wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


This last remark outs you as the inferior, and your ignorance of Hydrogen technologies seals the deal!

I decline to engage with sub-humans. You are marked for deletion in the coming holocaust.

May Am'riKKKa soon be rid of diseased genealogies like yours and returned to its legitimate owners: its Native First Nations!


So in other words you have no argument to make as to Hydrogen fuel cells only being 30 percent effective and wasting 70 percent of the Hydrogen fuel.

PS. Technically it is not possible for you to decline to engage with me, without engaging with me, as you just did.

On the surface, hydrogen sounds like the wonder fuel to solve all our ecological problems. When employed in a fuel cell, its only byproduct is water, which is hardly going to destroy the atmosphere. But what really appeals to people is the fact you can refuel a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in the same kind of way as a fossil fuel car. No lifestyle changes are necessary. Your car will have a completely different engine inside, but unless you enjoy tinkering with its mechanicals, you won't notice from day to day. You can just head to a fuel station when you need a five-minute top-up, just like the good old days.

Hydrogen's Inherent Flaw
The problem is that this convenience hides a significant flaw in the technology that has somehow failed to be included in the marketing propaganda of hydrogen evangelists. It doesn't appear to be widely understood by those who have been listening to these messages either. The flaw is basically caused by the laws of physics. For hydrogen to be completely green, it must be produced by electrolyzing water, which splits this into the H2 and O that it is made of. You can produce H2 from fossil fuels (usually methane), but this creates either "grey" hydrogen (which still produces lots of CO2) or "blue" hydrogen (which captures 90% of the CO2 and stores it, merely delaying the problem). Only electrolyzing hydrogen from water using electricity generated from renewable sources makes the fuel entirely green.

Toyota Mirai at hydrogen pump
Hydrogen has already lost more than half of its energy before it even gets to the car.JAMES MORRIS
This is an inefficient system that wastes energy. According to a frequently cited study by Transport & Environment, the process of electrolyzing hydrogen already loses 30% of the energy from the process of splitting the H2 from the O. You then have another 26% loss of the remaining energy from transporting the hydrogen to the fuel station, meaning you've already lost a total of 48% of the energy before any hydrogen makes it into a vehicle. You can save some of this by making hydrogen on site, but electrolysis plants cost millions, so they will more likely be centralized. In comparison, the typical loss from transferring electricity over wires to a charging station is just 5%, so you still have 95% left.

Things are already looking bad for hydrogen before you even put it in a car, but then you have the inefficiency of the powertrain in the vehicle. There are ways to burn hydrogen directly using synthetic fuel types or even via a paste, but these fuels lose even more energy in the process of production, and potentially have particulate emissions issues too. So, instead, for most personal hydrogen-based transportation applications, a clever technology called a fuel cell is utilized. This recombines the hydrogen and oxygen to produce water, which also generates electricity. It's an incredible technical achievement, but unfortunately, you lose half the remaining energy in the process. This means you're now down to 26% of the original electricity.

Now what does this mean for Hydrogen transportation? Two things, an electric car that has 300 miles or range when converted to Hydrogen power only has 78 miles of range making it unusable and impractical for daily use. Or two, the car would have to be 74% larger in order to have a practical range, making a Hydrogen car far larger than two semi's rendering it even more impractical.

You may now continue babbling like Pocahontas



Wast of space and time debating with 'people' llike you.

You are not here for debate, you are an egotistocal, ignorant pus-filled cyst, ready to burst, have no idea what you're taling about, so you bluster at length, missing the point.

You didn't address MY points but want to bully me into responding to yours.

Well that might work in the U S of A, but here in Europe your disrespect is considered self-evident proof of ignorance.

ALL your arguments are off the mark and out of date.

BYE!
06-08-2023 01:51
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:
[quote]ToniM wrote:
[quote]Swan wrote:


Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


With that comment you completely outed yourself as INFERIOR and BENEATH CONTEMPT.

I decline to engage with creatures that are far beneath the majority of animals.

Face your destiny, when it comes, adn may Am'riKKKa be returned to its legitimate owners: the Indigenous First Nations, that SO put the likes of you to shame!

Happy extinction!

I happen to be native American. What is the 'Indigenous First Nation'??


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-08-2023 01:52
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


This last remark outs you as the inferior, and your ignorance of Hydrogen technologies seals the deal!

I decline to engage with sub-humans. You are marked for deletion in the coming holocaust.

May Am'riKKKa soon be rid of diseased genealogies like yours and returned to its legitimate owners: its Native First Nations!
What 'holocaust'?

Are you planning on starting a civil war?


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-08-2023 02:20
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
ToniM wrote:
Wast of space and time debating with 'people' llike you.

You are not here for debate, you are an egotistocal, ignorant pus-filled cyst, ready to burst, have no idea what you're taling about, so you bluster at length, missing the point.

You didn't address MY points but want to bully me into responding to yours.

Well that might work in the U S of A, but here in Europe your disrespect is considered self-evident proof of ignorance.

ALL your arguments are off the mark and out of date.

BYE!

Since you are currently enjoying the violence and misery in Europe due to oppression, why are you concerned about native Americans?

It is YOU trying to claim that energy comes from nothing. It is YOU trying to ignore what 'heat' is. It is YOU wishing the violence and oppression in Europe to be in the States as well.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
06-08-2023 05:44
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Swan wrote:

Have you always been retarded, or did you study?


This last remark outs you as the inferior, and your ignorance of Hydrogen technologies seals the deal!

I decline to engage with sub-humans. You are marked for deletion in the coming holocaust.

May Am'riKKKa soon be rid of diseased genealogies like yours and returned to its legitimate owners: its Native First Nations!


So in other words you have no argument to make as to Hydrogen fuel cells only being 30 percent effective and wasting 70 percent of the Hydrogen fuel.

PS. Technically it is not possible for you to decline to engage with me, without engaging with me, as you just did.

On the surface, hydrogen sounds like the wonder fuel to solve all our ecological problems. When employed in a fuel cell, its only byproduct is water, which is hardly going to destroy the atmosphere. But what really appeals to people is the fact you can refuel a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in the same kind of way as a fossil fuel car. No lifestyle changes are necessary. Your car will have a completely different engine inside, but unless you enjoy tinkering with its mechanicals, you won't notice from day to day. You can just head to a fuel station when you need a five-minute top-up, just like the good old days.

Hydrogen's Inherent Flaw
The problem is that this convenience hides a significant flaw in the technology that has somehow failed to be included in the marketing propaganda of hydrogen evangelists. It doesn't appear to be widely understood by those who have been listening to these messages either. The flaw is basically caused by the laws of physics. For hydrogen to be completely green, it must be produced by electrolyzing water, which splits this into the H2 and O that it is made of. You can produce H2 from fossil fuels (usually methane), but this creates either "grey" hydrogen (which still produces lots of CO2) or "blue" hydrogen (which captures 90% of the CO2 and stores it, merely delaying the problem). Only electrolyzing hydrogen from water using electricity generated from renewable sources makes the fuel entirely green.

Toyota Mirai at hydrogen pump
Hydrogen has already lost more than half of its energy before it even gets to the car.JAMES MORRIS
This is an inefficient system that wastes energy. According to a frequently cited study by Transport & Environment, the process of electrolyzing hydrogen already loses 30% of the energy from the process of splitting the H2 from the O. You then have another 26% loss of the remaining energy from transporting the hydrogen to the fuel station, meaning you've already lost a total of 48% of the energy before any hydrogen makes it into a vehicle. You can save some of this by making hydrogen on site, but electrolysis plants cost millions, so they will more likely be centralized. In comparison, the typical loss from transferring electricity over wires to a charging station is just 5%, so you still have 95% left.

Things are already looking bad for hydrogen before you even put it in a car, but then you have the inefficiency of the powertrain in the vehicle. There are ways to burn hydrogen directly using synthetic fuel types or even via a paste, but these fuels lose even more energy in the process of production, and potentially have particulate emissions issues too. So, instead, for most personal hydrogen-based transportation applications, a clever technology called a fuel cell is utilized. This recombines the hydrogen and oxygen to produce water, which also generates electricity. It's an incredible technical achievement, but unfortunately, you lose half the remaining energy in the process. This means you're now down to 26% of the original electricity.

Now what does this mean for Hydrogen transportation? Two things, an electric car that has 300 miles or range when converted to Hydrogen power only has 78 miles of range making it unusable and impractical for daily use. Or two, the car would have to be 74% larger in order to have a practical range, making a Hydrogen car far larger than two semi's rendering it even more impractical.

You may now continue babbling like Pocahontas



Wast of space and time debating with 'people' llike you.

You are not here for debate, you are an egotistocal, ignorant pus-filled cyst, ready to burst, have no idea what you're taling about, so you bluster at length, missing the point.

You didn't address MY points but want to bully me into responding to yours.

Well that might work in the U S of A, but here in Europe your disrespect is considered self-evident proof of ignorance.

ALL your arguments are off the mark and out of date.

BYE!


See ys Shirley...............You pout like a little girl.


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
06-08-2023 16:06
duncan61
★★★★★
(2021)
ToniM wrote:
Hello All,

I have been a proponent of a Green Hydrogen Economy - that is H2 that is produced by electrolysis - and for that purpose signed-up to a couple of sites, so I could keep up with developments:

* Hydrogen Fuel News
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ and

* Fuel Cells Works
https://fuelcellsworks.com/

It seems to me that several key developments discussed on their sites that could represent a leap in technology that could take us one step closer to enable us to transition to a Green, Global Hydrogen Economy in relatively few years.

I am interested in impartial discussions about how this can be catalysed as widely as possible.

I am NOT interested in the intransigent bigotry of the likes of Elon Musk, who will consistently deny the feasibility of H2 as a global fuel, flying in the face of the evidence and recent developments.

The news on the above sites show big, global players are making giant strides towards this objective. Regrettably the disingenuous Fossil Fuel corporations still seek to sell us:

* Blue H2 (steam reformation of gas/coal + carbon capture)
* Grey H2 (same as Blue, but without the CO2 capture)
* Pink (from nuclear electricity)
* Torquoise (from Methane pyrolysis)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clean-energy-green-hydrogen/

I believe the feasibility of a Hydrogen Economy is several steps closer by the development of two crucial steps:

1) seawater electrolysis - that frees us from using much needed freshwater supplies
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-production-china-sea/8556602/

AND

2) conversion of H2(g) to a powder fuel H2(s) that is is safe and stable at standard pressure and ambient temperature by combining it with other elements, as a compound by pioneer

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-storage-electriq-award/8559243/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/electriq-powder-plant/8557504/

Electriq Group
https://www.electriq.com/

Q. 1. How do we get serious scoping of these potentials ahead of global R&D to make H2 mainstream?

The technology is probably best applied to larger scale projects, to begin with, while the efficiencies at lower scale - e.g. for fuel cell cars - are refined and the distribution systems developed.

Q2 How do we get investment to shift from Fossil Fuels and Nuclear to these new Tech, that can create millions of jobs, alonge the full supply chain, globally.

Q.3. What is the feasibility of establishing international projects in areas in dire need of development (e.g. North Africa and the Sahel)? These regions are rich in resources like sun, wind and sand (for manufacture of solar panels) and could benefit from large-bore seawater pipelines bringing in seawater for electrolysis and fuel production, using the above technologies

Q.4. Could a new iteration of the Move Your Money movement catalyse a migration of bank accounts, pension frunds and savings, from financial institutions currently financing Fossil Fuels, into ethical investments, and how?


I am British and live in Australia.
Insults first. Mate why engage on the internet with Swan. Just let it slide. I do. Reacting to swan made you say dumb stuff then the parrot got ya a bazinga by declaring to be a native.
This is what is actually happening here in the State of Western Australia. Twiggy Forrest is passionate about developing hydrogen and has a fleet of 15 cars at last count that have a hydrogen fuel cell. I have seen one. When they run low they are driven to BOC kewdale where they are refueled and the Exec takes a full one. The parrot is right, It costs more to make the fuel to be practical for everyday driving. I have come in to some money recently and am doing auto auctions with the intent of other people selling said cars and making a small profit to live on. At the last auction there were 2 cars I was impressed with and researched why these cars that are low mileage and less than 10 years old are so cheap. They are both Toyota Camry hybrids and they are worn out and now use more petrol than a standard car as the batteries hold no charge and they are double the weight of a standard Camry. All the EVs will go down a similar path. The market will always decide the success of new products.


duncan61
06-08-2023 18:42
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
(5197)
duncan61 wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Hello All,

I have been a proponent of a Green Hydrogen Economy - that is H2 that is produced by electrolysis - and for that purpose signed-up to a couple of sites, so I could keep up with developments:

* Hydrogen Fuel News
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ and

* Fuel Cells Works
https://fuelcellsworks.com/

It seems to me that several key developments discussed on their sites that could represent a leap in technology that could take us one step closer to enable us to transition to a Green, Global Hydrogen Economy in relatively few years.

I am interested in impartial discussions about how this can be catalysed as widely as possible.

I am NOT interested in the intransigent bigotry of the likes of Elon Musk, who will consistently deny the feasibility of H2 as a global fuel, flying in the face of the evidence and recent developments.

The news on the above sites show big, global players are making giant strides towards this objective. Regrettably the disingenuous Fossil Fuel corporations still seek to sell us:

* Blue H2 (steam reformation of gas/coal + carbon capture)
* Grey H2 (same as Blue, but without the CO2 capture)
* Pink (from nuclear electricity)
* Torquoise (from Methane pyrolysis)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clean-energy-green-hydrogen/

I believe the feasibility of a Hydrogen Economy is several steps closer by the development of two crucial steps:

1) seawater electrolysis - that frees us from using much needed freshwater supplies
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-production-china-sea/8556602/

AND

2) conversion of H2(g) to a powder fuel H2(s) that is is safe and stable at standard pressure and ambient temperature by combining it with other elements, as a compound by pioneer

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-storage-electriq-award/8559243/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/electriq-powder-plant/8557504/

Electriq Group
https://www.electriq.com/

Q. 1. How do we get serious scoping of these potentials ahead of global R&D to make H2 mainstream?

The technology is probably best applied to larger scale projects, to begin with, while the efficiencies at lower scale - e.g. for fuel cell cars - are refined and the distribution systems developed.

Q2 How do we get investment to shift from Fossil Fuels and Nuclear to these new Tech, that can create millions of jobs, alonge the full supply chain, globally.

Q.3. What is the feasibility of establishing international projects in areas in dire need of development (e.g. North Africa and the Sahel)? These regions are rich in resources like sun, wind and sand (for manufacture of solar panels) and could benefit from large-bore seawater pipelines bringing in seawater for electrolysis and fuel production, using the above technologies

Q.4. Could a new iteration of the Move Your Money movement catalyse a migration of bank accounts, pension frunds and savings, from financial institutions currently financing Fossil Fuels, into ethical investments, and how?


I am British and live in Australia.
Insults first. Mate why engage on the internet with Swan. Just let it slide. I do. Reacting to swan made you say dumb stuff then the parrot got ya a bazinga by declaring to be a native.
This is what is actually happening here in the State of Western Australia. Twiggy Forrest is passionate about developing hydrogen and has a fleet of 15 cars at last count that have a hydrogen fuel cell. I have seen one. When they run low they are driven to BOC kewdale where they are refueled and the Exec takes a full one. The parrot is right, It costs more to make the fuel to be practical for everyday driving. I have come in to some money recently and am doing auto auctions with the intent of other people selling said cars and making a small profit to live on. At the last auction there were 2 cars I was impressed with and researched why these cars that are low mileage and less than 10 years old are so cheap. They are both Toyota Camry hybrids and they are worn out and now use more petrol than a standard car as the batteries hold no charge and they are double the weight of a standard Camry. All the EVs will go down a similar path. The market will always decide the success of new products.


I don't know the model specific price, but a new battery is only $2,500- $3,800, plus installation. I paid $4,100 for a 2010 Chevy Malibu. Not in great shape, but runs good. Few month later, had to replace a wheel bearing hub, almost $200 for the part, half a day to install. Would have been about an hour, if I had the right tools, first... Obviously, I wouldn't spend $2,500 just to get it running right. The battery life, is dependent on how well you take care of it. The manufacturer's marketing hype, is based on ideal conditions and use. You get maybe 10 years, if you try and take care of it. Of course, no industry standard on batteries, no telling if you could even get a replacement after 10 years. Then, there are all the lightweight, and plastic, which seldom last long either. battery isn't going to be the only repair.
06-08-2023 20:40
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
duncan61 wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Hello All,

I have been a proponent of a Green Hydrogen Economy - that is H2 that is produced by electrolysis - and for that purpose signed-up to a couple of sites, so I could keep up with developments:

* Hydrogen Fuel News
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/ and

* Fuel Cells Works
https://fuelcellsworks.com/

It seems to me that several key developments discussed on their sites that could represent a leap in technology that could take us one step closer to enable us to transition to a Green, Global Hydrogen Economy in relatively few years.

I am interested in impartial discussions about how this can be catalysed as widely as possible.

I am NOT interested in the intransigent bigotry of the likes of Elon Musk, who will consistently deny the feasibility of H2 as a global fuel, flying in the face of the evidence and recent developments.

The news on the above sites show big, global players are making giant strides towards this objective. Regrettably the disingenuous Fossil Fuel corporations still seek to sell us:

* Blue H2 (steam reformation of gas/coal + carbon capture)
* Grey H2 (same as Blue, but without the CO2 capture)
* Pink (from nuclear electricity)
* Torquoise (from Methane pyrolysis)
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/clean-energy-green-hydrogen/

I believe the feasibility of a Hydrogen Economy is several steps closer by the development of two crucial steps:

1) seawater electrolysis - that frees us from using much needed freshwater supplies
https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-production-china-sea/8556602/

AND

2) conversion of H2(g) to a powder fuel H2(s) that is is safe and stable at standard pressure and ambient temperature by combining it with other elements, as a compound by pioneer

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/hydrogen-storage-electriq-award/8559243/

https://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/electriq-powder-plant/8557504/

Electriq Group
https://www.electriq.com/

Q. 1. How do we get serious scoping of these potentials ahead of global R&D to make H2 mainstream?

The technology is probably best applied to larger scale projects, to begin with, while the efficiencies at lower scale - e.g. for fuel cell cars - are refined and the distribution systems developed.

Q2 How do we get investment to shift from Fossil Fuels and Nuclear to these new Tech, that can create millions of jobs, alonge the full supply chain, globally.

Q.3. What is the feasibility of establishing international projects in areas in dire need of development (e.g. North Africa and the Sahel)? These regions are rich in resources like sun, wind and sand (for manufacture of solar panels) and could benefit from large-bore seawater pipelines bringing in seawater for electrolysis and fuel production, using the above technologies

Q.4. Could a new iteration of the Move Your Money movement catalyse a migration of bank accounts, pension frunds and savings, from financial institutions currently financing Fossil Fuels, into ethical investments, and how?


I am British and live in Australia.
Insults first. Mate why engage on the internet with Swan. Just let it slide. I do. Reacting to swan made you say dumb stuff then the parrot got ya a bazinga by declaring to be a native.
This is what is actually happening here in the State of Western Australia. Twiggy Forrest is passionate about developing hydrogen and has a fleet of 15 cars at last count that have a hydrogen fuel cell. I have seen one. When they run low they are driven to BOC kewdale where they are refueled and the Exec takes a full one. The parrot is right, It costs more to make the fuel to be practical for everyday driving. I have come in to some money recently and am doing auto auctions with the intent of other people selling said cars and making a small profit to live on. At the last auction there were 2 cars I was impressed with and researched why these cars that are low mileage and less than 10 years old are so cheap. They are both Toyota Camry hybrids and they are worn out and now use more petrol than a standard car as the batteries hold no charge and they are double the weight of a standard Camry. All the EVs will go down a similar path. The market will always decide the success of new products.


LOL, have you ever seen one of these hydrogen fuel cell cars drive across Australia?

No because the car that can do this does not exist.

Argue all you want because if you claim to see cars that do not exist you are hallucinating.

The state of New Jersey had a hydrogen car fleet 15/20 years ago, they could only be fueled in one place, had no real range, and if in a serious accident the driver ended up looking like this, if they even lived.

So Hydrogen is retarded like you



So have fun in your hydrogen car


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
Edited on 06-08-2023 20:41
07-08-2023 05:47
duncan61
★★★★★
(2021)
Somehow you have denigrated me and agreed with me at the same time. I have seen the hydrogen fuel cell cars. The office people for Fortescue mining drive them. They are refueled at BOC in Kewdale. no one drives across Australia they use them in the metro area to get to the office and back. This thing that is wrong with you is not a small thing
07-08-2023 06:38
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
duncan61 wrote: Somehow you have denigrated me and agreed with me at the same time. I have seen the hydrogen fuel cell cars. The office people for Fortescue mining drive them. They are refueled at BOC in Kewdale. no one drives across Australia they use them in the metro area to get to the office and back.

Beware of the latest scam, i.e. referring to hydrogen fuel as "dark matter." The idea is to sell hydrogen fuel as a Star Trek sci-fi intergalactic fuel that contains 70 times the energy of whatever ... and sell it for 5x what it's worth.

Just be aware.
07-08-2023 14:17
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
duncan61 wrote:
Somehow you have denigrated me and agreed with me at the same time. I have seen the hydrogen fuel cell cars. The office people for Fortescue mining drive them. They are refueled at BOC in Kewdale. no one drives across Australia they use them in the metro area to get to the office and back. This thing that is wrong with you is not a small thing


LOL I heard that the retards in Australia sold the port of Darwin to the chinks. So you just be a happy commy and enjoy eating your dog and playing with your toy hydrogen car that has a range of 50 miles from the ONE refueling station which makes 99.999999999% of Australia out of range of the as said toy car.


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
07-08-2023 15:23
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
Swan wrote: ... and playing with your toy hydrogen car that has a range of 50 miles from the ONE refueling station which makes 99.999999999% of Australia out of range of the as said toy car.

You exaggerate. Only 99.999% is out of range.
07-08-2023 18:53
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: ... and playing with your toy hydrogen car that has a range of 50 miles from the ONE refueling station which makes 99.999999999% of Australia out of range of the as said toy car.

You exaggerate. Only 99.999% is out of range.


Technically 100% of Australia is out of range after the driver dies in the desert.


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
10-09-2023 15:57
ToniM
☆☆☆☆☆
(9)
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!
11-09-2023 13:40
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!





IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
12-09-2023 02:22
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!

No 'squawking' here is funded by fossil fuels. There are no fossil fuels.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
12-09-2023 14:04
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
Into the Night wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!

No 'squawking' here is funded by fossil fuels. There are no fossil fuels.


Coal and oil are fossil fuels as they are composed of your parent's brains


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
12-09-2023 16:25
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
Swan wrote: Coal and oil are fossil fuels ...

Thus, to the best of your science understanding, you believe that carbon and hydrocarbons belong lumped together in the same category, yes?
12-09-2023 17:01
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: Coal and oil are fossil fuels ...

Thus, to the best of your science understanding, you believe that carbon and hydrocarbons belong lumped together in the same category, yes?


Says the turd who denies the last ice age.

You may now resume finger painting


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
12-09-2023 23:37
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!

No 'squawking' here is funded by fossil fuels. There are no fossil fuels.


Coal and oil are fossil fuels as they are composed of your parent's brains

Neither coal nor oil are fossils.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
12-09-2023 23:38
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote: Coal and oil are fossil fuels ...

Thus, to the best of your science understanding, you believe that carbon and hydrocarbons belong lumped together in the same category, yes?

Says...
Mantra 40a. Answer the question put to you.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
Edited on 12-09-2023 23:38
13-09-2023 02:37
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!

No 'squawking' here is funded by fossil fuels. There are no fossil fuels.


Coal and oil are fossil fuels as they are composed of your parent's brains

Neither coal nor oil are fossils.


Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
13-09-2023 07:45
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
Swan wrote:Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [carbon], oil & natural gas [hydrocarbon chains] should be lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils.

Interesting.

Now I understand why you are so intimately familiar with psychiatric drugs.

.


I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit

A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
13-09-2023 12:44
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [carbon], oil & natural gas [hydrocarbon chains] should be lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils.

Interesting.

Now I understand why you are so intimately familiar with psychiatric drugs.

.


Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo, changing your name to make it seem like others agree with you, then you could comprehend this.

However just for fun, if coal, oil and natural gas are not hydrocarbon fossil fuels, then what are they and how are they formed

Please eat a toadstool before you answer as we are grading you on creativity


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
13-09-2023 14:45
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [carbon], oil & natural gas [hydrocarbon chains] should be lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils.

Interesting.

Now I understand why you are so intimately familiar with psychiatric drugs.

Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels.

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [which is carbon], and oil & natural gas [which are hydrocarbon chains] belong lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils, or are fuel for fossils.

This might explain why you insist that amphibious animals aren't amphibious.

.


I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit

A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
13-09-2023 19:04
SwanProfile picture★★★★★
(5740)
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
Swan wrote:Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [carbon], oil & natural gas [hydrocarbon chains] should be lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils.

Interesting.

Now I understand why you are so intimately familiar with psychiatric drugs.

Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels.

So the answer is "Yes," that to the best of your science understanding, coal [which is carbon], and oil & natural gas [which are hydrocarbon chains] belong lumped together into the same category because you think they are fossils, or are fuel for fossils.

This might explain why you insist that amphibious animals aren't amphibious.

.


You forgot to explain what coal, oil and natural gas are and come from, and alligators are still amphibious reptiles not amphibians. If you would take your Chlorpromazine, you might be able to comprehend this instead of wasting your degree here with me.

Silly girl


IBdaMann claims that Gold is a molecule, and that the last ice age never happened because I was not there to see it. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that IBdaMann is clearly not using enough LSD.

According to CDC/Government info, people who were vaccinated are now DYING at a higher rate than non-vaccinated people, which exposes the covid vaccines as the poison that they are, this is now fully confirmed by the terrorist CDC

This place is quieter than the FBI commenting on the chink bank account information on Hunter Xiden's laptop

I LOVE TRUMP BECAUSE HE PISSES OFF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN'T STAND.

ULTRA MAGA

"Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat." MOTHER THERESA OF CALCUTTA

So why is helping to hide the murder of an American president patriotic?


It's time to dig up Joseph Mccarthey and show him TikTok, then duck.


Now be honest, was I correct or was I correct? LOL
13-09-2023 19:43
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
(14718)
Swan wrote: You forgot to explain what coal, oil and natural gas are and come from,

Spoken like someone who is about to experience a very rude awakening, like someone who has no idea what is, and is not, a fossil, like someone who thinks there are different types of carbon atoms, and who mistakenly believes that hydrocarbons take millions of years to be produced instead of hours.

Let the rude awakening commence.

Carbon is an element and comes from ... well, ... carbon, mainly because it is an element. It's not my intention to talk over your head like I'm doing, but this kind of material requires a background that includes understanding the definition of a molecule, for example, and you are somewhat short on tools with which to work.

Hydrocarbons are the result of the Fischer-Tropsh process which occurs whenever the conditions are right, i.e. presence of hydrogen and carbon, high temperatures and pressures, and a metal catalyst. The conditions to produce hydrocarbons occurs constantly, deep within the earth's crust, and the earth produces hydrocarbons in massive quantities within hours.

Petroleum and natural gas are the earth's best renewable resource. As long as there is geological activity, the earth will manufacture vast quantities of hydrocarbons. Oh, and to answer your next question, yes, there is still geological activity.

Swan wrote: ... and alligators are still amphibious reptiles not amphibians.

"Amphibian" is an adjective synonymous with "amphibious." You are claiming that alligators are amphibians while claiming that alligators are not amphibians.

You are so very wise.
13-09-2023 19:46
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
(22228)
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
Swan wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
ToniM wrote:
Never seen so much ignorance and bigotry in one place!
How many sqwaking on here are funded by fossil fuels, je me demande.
Not really worth the time of anyone with a halfway decent degree, most of the people answering on this thread speak from ignorance that is at least 20 years out of sink.
Bye suckers, your world is ending, ours is just beginning!

No 'squawking' here is funded by fossil fuels. There are no fossil fuels.


Coal and oil are fossil fuels as they are composed of your parent's brains

Neither coal nor oil are fossils.

Actually coal, oil and natural gas are all fossil fuels. If you were not a sociopathic schizzo you could comprehend this

None are fossils.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
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