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Climate change in green land27-03-2020 17:47
berting567
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I found this video in youtube i want to know your thoughts is this real? https://youtu.be/AV2DvfWKyC0
Edited on 27-03-2020 17:55
27-03-2020 20:34
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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The usual propaganda. All of this has been addressed before in previous threads.
Edited on 27-03-2020 20:34
28-03-2020 13:20
duncan61
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Due to the Earth's shifting axial tilt – a fluctuation of 2° during 40,000 years – which is especially a result of the Moon's orbit, the Arctic Circle is moving. It is drifting north about 15 kilometres per year. The Earth's axial tilt is the same thing that causes the different seasons on Earth.Sep 27, 2009.
.The south of Greenland is no longer in the Arctic circle and is now in the Northern Temperate Zone and the lucky bastards are now catching Mackerel and the tuna that feed on them.What a disaster somebody ice them all in or we will all perish.I like the farmer quote stating they now have time to plant and grow potatoes and turnips yet later the presenter claims he said something else.Beware ABC and BBC documentaries the editing is on an agenda
28-03-2020 17:01
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duncan61 wrote:
Due to the Earth's shifting axial tilt – a fluctuation of 2° during 40,000 years – which is especially a result of the Moon's orbit, the Arctic Circle is moving. It is drifting north about 15 kilometres per year.

If one edge of the "Arctic Circle" is moving north then the opposing edge must be moving south, ... if "shifting" still works the same.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
29-03-2020 01:11
duncan61
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Yes that is my understanding
29-03-2020 07:34
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duncan61 wrote: Yes that is my understanding

Ergo, the Arctic Circle is shifting southward, yes?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
30-03-2020 01:02
duncan61
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Due to the Earth's shifting axial tilt – a fluctuation of 2° during 40,000 years – which is especially a result of the Moon's orbit, the Arctic Circle is moving. It is drifting north about 15 kilometres per year. The Earth's axial tilt is the same thing that causes the different seasons on Earth.Sep 27, 2009.


I copied and pasted this as I felt it covered the subject and answered some questions
30-03-2020 14:33
Tim the plumber
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berting567 wrote:
I found this video in youtube i want to know your thoughts is this real? https://youtu.be/AV2DvfWKyC0


Greenland gets about 1150Gt/yr of snowfall.

A high estimate of the total outflow including ice burgs is 200Gt. The Watson river is the biggest in Greenland at 8Gt/yr.

Greenland is gaining ice mass.
30-03-2020 16:58
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TIM IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30-03-2020 21:29
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you can change the polar lights if you switch on your car batteries real loud. LOOOLL!!!!


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
01-04-2020 10:38
duncan61
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Hi Tim the plumber.I am Duncan the plumber.
01-04-2020 20:00
Tim the plumber
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duncan61 wrote:
Hi Tim the plumber.I am Duncan the plumber.


Hi Duncan.

Have you encountered many of the type who will call you fool and claim to be scientifically superiour to you yet?

They are generally unable to add up. I'm sure you will be able to spot this.
01-04-2020 23:03
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why do the unionless do better?

bcoz they don't gather.



AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
02-04-2020 00:26
duncan61
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My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.
02-04-2020 01:40
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.
02-04-2020 05:13
duncan61
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This is the same local paper that published predictions showing Ascot racecourse underwater by 2020.It did not happen which is my point.You are using a reporters story that gets edited and you believe it.This is the problem you have to accept all the science claims but go outside and have a look.The Perth area the water level goes up and down about 300mm.Its a tidal estuary.I know I live here so stop claiming we are all going to flood out soon because we are not so if that is boy cows dodo it all is
02-04-2020 07:16
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
This is the same local paper that published predictions showing Ascot racecourse underwater by 2020.It did not happen which is my point.You are using a reporters story that gets edited and you believe it.This is the problem you have to accept all the science claims but go outside and have a look.The Perth area the water level goes up and down about 300mm.Its a tidal estuary.I know I live here so stop claiming we are all going to flood out soon because we are not so if that is boy cows dodo it all is



Their information came from PSMSL https://www.psmsl.org/ . And what you're claiming is that you can tell a sea level rise of less than 2.5 cm every 10 years. And everything you say is based on that being wrong.
Edited on 02-04-2020 07:35
02-04-2020 08:39
James___
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Here's a graph showing the same .2 meter sea level rise as the Australian newspaper that referenced PSMSL.org.
Notice how CO2 levels do not parallel it?
And I'm sure Duncan was aware of this when he said he wants to teach me. He should learn to do a simple search before telling me that sea levels aren't rising.
And the 13 inches that's being predicted, did the 8 or 9 inches over the last century cause any serious problems? So please do not bother me about this, okay?

https://images.app.goo.gl/UeQm7S8v3Gwxb1hZ8
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Edited on 02-04-2020 08:43
02-04-2020 12:31
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.


Nope. Seattle is showing no sea level rise at all.
It is not possible to measure a global sea level. There is no valid reference point.


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02-04-2020 12:43
duncan61
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Correct me if I am wrong but the chart indicates the sea was at its highest in 1920.I thought the claim was CO2 was warming the Earth and melting the ice but the chart does not show that.If you want out the discussion go away do not order me to stop bothering you.There is a pattern with you doomsday Prophets your all a bit loopy
02-04-2020 13:01
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.


According to the IPCC the rate of sea level rise, at most, for the world is to be 59cm by 2100. That's the 4th report and with no change in the science the 5th went to 1m.

Currently the world sea level rise rate is about 3.2mm/yr at most which is half the 59cm rate.

Us plumbers are used to ideas of big problems and little problems and problems so small that they can be ignored.

This rate of sea level rise is in the 3rd catagory.
02-04-2020 13:03
Tim the plumber
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.


Nope. Seattle is showing no sea level rise at all.
It is not possible to measure a global sea level. There is no valid reference point.

Not directly but you can measure day length. This will measure any change in movement of mass from the poles to the rest of the world.

Day length shows no change in such movement. That no significant mass has gone from the poles to the rest of the world.
02-04-2020 13:05
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
This is the same local paper that published predictions showing Ascot racecourse underwater by 2020.It did not happen which is my point.You are using a reporters story that gets edited and you believe it.This is the problem you have to accept all the science claims but go outside and have a look.The Perth area the water level goes up and down about 300mm.Its a tidal estuary.I know I live here so stop claiming we are all going to flood out soon because we are not so if that is boy cows dodo it all is



Their information came from PSMSL https://www.psmsl.org/ . And what you're claiming is that you can tell a sea level rise of less than 2.5 cm every 10 years. And everything you say is based on that being wrong.


25mm/decade is 10 inches a century.

That is in the catagory of nothing at all.
02-04-2020 16:13
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but the chart indicates the sea was at its highest in 1920.I thought the claim was CO2 was warming the Earth and melting the ice but the chart does not show that.If you want out the discussion go away do not order me to stop bothering you.There is a pattern with you doomsday Prophets your all a bit loopy



Can you show where I said that CO2 was warming the Earth? Can you find me saying that 1 time? That's all I'm asking because you said this;

[url]There is a pattern with you doomsday Prophets your all a bit loopy[/url]

If you can't show where I said CO2 is warming the Earth then when you say;

[url]I thought the claim was CO2 was warming the Earth and melting the ice but the chart does not show that.If you want out the discussion go away do not order me to stop bothering you.[/url].=

So you're coming after because of what I said, please show it. I doubt I have posted 1 time in this forum that CO2 is causing warming but all people like you know is attack, attack, attack.
02-04-2020 16:30
James___
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Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.


According to the IPCC the rate of sea level rise, at most, for the world is to be 59cm by 2100. That's the 4th report and with no change in the science the 5th went to 1m.

Currently the world sea level rise rate is about 3.2mm/yr at most which is half the 59cm rate.

Us plumbers are used to ideas of big problems and little problems and problems so small that they can be ignored.

This rate of sea level rise is in the 3rd catagory.



I was a Machinist Mate in the Navy and helped to operate 2 boilers and related equipment that operated with an initial steam pressure of 83.4 kg/cm^2 or
1,200 psi. We used that steam to power steam turbines, sea water desalination and to launch aircraft and generate electricity.
What interests me about the following links is that I believe that my interest in engineering and physics might help me to demonstrate a common variable. If you search Natural Climate Variation, you'll probably see where I mention it every once in a while. An example, I did the search for you.;
https://www.climate-debate.com/find.php?cx=014370074460522535164%3Arfplzmdzgbu&cof=FORID%3A11&q=natural+climate+variation&stype=f

Are you aware of the Little Ice Age
https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/

The Medieval Warm Period
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

The Dark Ages Cold Period
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683617693898

or the Roman Warm Period
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22040-tree-rings-suggest-roman-world-was-warmer-than-thought/

Do you see a pattern here? I am asking for a friend


With that said, would you like to discuss ODSs? Maybe how the layers of our slightly upper atmosphere (up to the stratosphere) work?

p.s., What is frustrating Tim is that people like you and Duncan are willing to attack me for what I never said. And at the same time you'll tell me that you know what you're talking about. Neither of you can show 1 time where I said CO2
but you keep saying I said it.
Edited on 02-04-2020 17:14
02-04-2020 21:17
James___
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This is a graph that Duncan said is wrong. What's missing? Harvey, can you tell us what's missing in this graph? I want to "see" if you're observant. Your friend Duncan can help you. It's rather obvious.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/94YRkHS9SAVg7dzh6
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02-04-2020 22:31
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
My big deal is the sea level rise claim that is just not happening.If one portion of the scaremongering is not coming true then none of it is.



According to this, the sea level in Freemantle has risen about 0.2 meters from 1897 to 2011.
Using your logic, everything they say is now true unless you disagree with the Australians who maintain this record. The web page linked to has not updated it's information since 2011.

https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

This link is to the raw data from the Freemantle tidal gauge.
https://www.waclimate.net/perth-sea-levels.html

And that's about an 8 inch rise in SAE. Nothing personal but it took me all of 10 seconds to find that information. I'm bored and thought, hey, in here people go after each other for no reason, they just like doing it.
If you're wondering, Seattle, Wa. USA has about the same sea level rise over the same period of time. That's probably a better indicator of glacial melt. With feedback mechanisms, they might not understand those yet. Those could vary between different warm periods. Still, ozone depletion is AGW.


According to the IPCC the rate of sea level rise, at most, for the world is to be 59cm by 2100. That's the 4th report and with no change in the science the 5th went to 1m.

Currently the world sea level rise rate is about 3.2mm/yr at most which is half the 59cm rate.

Us plumbers are used to ideas of big problems and little problems and problems so small that they can be ignored.

This rate of sea level rise is in the 3rd catagory.



I was a Machinist Mate in the Navy and helped to operate 2 boilers and related equipment that operated with an initial steam pressure of 83.4 kg/cm^2 or
1,200 psi. We used that steam to power steam turbines, sea water desalination and to launch aircraft and generate electricity.
What interests me about the following links is that I believe that my interest in engineering and physics might help me to demonstrate a common variable. If you search Natural Climate Variation, you'll probably see where I mention it every once in a while. An example, I did the search for you.;
https://www.climate-debate.com/find.php?cx=014370074460522535164%3Arfplzmdzgbu&cof=FORID%3A11&q=natural+climate+variation&stype=f

Are you aware of the Little Ice Age
https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/

The Medieval Warm Period
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

The Dark Ages Cold Period
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683617693898

or the Roman Warm Period
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22040-tree-rings-suggest-roman-world-was-warmer-than-thought/

Do you see a pattern here? I am asking for a friend


With that said, would you like to discuss ODSs? Maybe how the layers of our slightly upper atmosphere (up to the stratosphere) work?

p.s., What is frustrating Tim is that people like you and Duncan are willing to attack me for what I never said. And at the same time you'll tell me that you know what you're talking about. Neither of you can show 1 time where I said CO2
but you keep saying I said it.

1, I never claimed anything about CO2/atmospheric physics because I don't know enough about that.
2, I didn't attack anybody. Just put out the information.
3, Yes, I am aware of the Little ice age, the MWP and the Holocene optimal/Bronze age warm period.
4, How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!! There are very good units of pressure, N/m2 being the basic unit, the Pascal. Although 100,000 of them makes 1 atmosphere also know as a BAR. So 1200 p.s.i. would be 83 BAR.

My position as to this Global warming thing is that I don't need to know if the IPCC's predictions are good or drivel. I can use the climate numbers they put out and see that even if they are right, the maximum case is just good. Just good stuff for humanity comes out.

Although the IPCC's numbers are most probably drivel as many of them are very very clearly wrong.
02-04-2020 23:08
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Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.
Edited on 02-04-2020 23:32
03-04-2020 07:25
James___
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James___ wrote:
This is a graph that Duncan said is wrong. What's missing? Harvey, can you tell us what's missing in this graph? I want to "see" if you're observant. Your friend Duncan can help you. It's rather obvious.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/94YRkHS9SAVg7dzh6



I'll give you guys the answer by asking you guys some questions.
What year did global warming start?
What year did CO2 levels start to rise?
Those are the same year, I'll give you guys a hint. It's 1950.
According to sea levels, how much did they rise between 1950 and 1995?

You have to figure out that answer for yourselves. I can't give it to you.
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03-04-2020 08:53
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James___ wrote: What year did global warming start?

Were you going to define what you mean by "Globa Warming"? If we go by trafn's definition then it began at Spindletop. If we go by conventional warmizombieism then Global Warming coincided with the publication of the Communist Manifesto. If we go by Climate Lemmings then it began at the middle of the last ice age. If we go by Al Gore then it began with his first political campaign.

What is James__' definition so we can figure out if it's one of the above or something completely different?

James___ wrote: What year did CO2 levels start to rise?

Trick question, right? Nobody knows if CO2 levels ever started to rise or what they ever were.

James___ wrote: Those are the same year, I'll give you guys a hint. It's 1950. According to sea levels, how much did they rise between 1950 and 1995?

That's easy! Zero. The British air base in the Maldives gives ample testament to that.


That was easy. Second round anyone?


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
03-04-2020 11:38
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.


Hey, feel free to use whatever units you like
. I just get the "Arrgh!!!s" when I see such things a Kgf. The scientific training you get in any place where you use SI this is heresy! Just making life much harder than it should be. Kilogramms are a unit of mass not force. Force is in Newtons.

The degree of utter confusion and brain twist that confusing units creates is massive. As a plumber I have been on gas courses. They do the same sort of thing with converting the units they have now into imperial then doing the crazy sum then converting back. When I do it in my head in a couple of seconds they are amazed. SI units make it all easy to work out. That's what they were invented for.

Edited on 03-04-2020 11:52
03-04-2020 11:45
HarveyH55
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James___ wrote:
James___ wrote:
This is a graph that Duncan said is wrong. What's missing? Harvey, can you tell us what's missing in this graph? I want to "see" if you're observant. Your friend Duncan can help you. It's rather obvious.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/94YRkHS9SAVg7dzh6



I'll give you guys the answer by asking you guys some questions.
What year did global warming start?
What year did CO2 levels start to rise?
Those are the same year, I'll give you guys a hint. It's 1950.
According to sea levels, how much did they rise between 1950 and 1995?

You have to figure out that answer for yourselves. I can't give it to you.


How could they know CO2 levels in 1950, when Mauna Loa monitoring station was built in 1959?

I personally can't imagine how it's possible to measure sea level. They are huge bodies of liquid, sloshing around all the time. Tide is in constant change from high to low. The max and min. aren't even the same, one day to the next. Water is added and removed from the seas, constantly, it evaporates, it rains, ice melts, cruise ships purge their crap tanks. Water gets displaced, by all the garbage dumped. The size/shape of the container changes... Basically, you could make up any numbers you like for sea level rise, and they would still have no value. Climate change is bullshit. It's a very dynamic world, everything they try to track and measure, are static, but treated as if they aren't in constant motion. If you want to track rising temperature, you just keep adding monitoring stations in the warmer climates (tropics), and go with an average.
03-04-2020 12:01
Tim the plumber
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HarveyH55 wrote:
James___ wrote:
James___ wrote:
This is a graph that Duncan said is wrong. What's missing? Harvey, can you tell us what's missing in this graph? I want to "see" if you're observant. Your friend Duncan can help you. It's rather obvious.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/94YRkHS9SAVg7dzh6



I'll give you guys the answer by asking you guys some questions.
What year did global warming start?
What year did CO2 levels start to rise?
Those are the same year, I'll give you guys a hint. It's 1950.
According to sea levels, how much did they rise between 1950 and 1995?

You have to figure out that answer for yourselves. I can't give it to you.


How could they know CO2 levels in 1950, when Mauna Loa monitoring station was built in 1959?

I personally can't imagine how it's possible to measure sea level. They are huge bodies of liquid, sloshing around all the time. Tide is in constant change from high to low. The max and min. aren't even the same, one day to the next. Water is added and removed from the seas, constantly, it evaporates, it rains, ice melts, cruise ships purge their crap tanks. Water gets displaced, by all the garbage dumped. The size/shape of the container changes... Basically, you could make up any numbers you like for sea level rise, and they would still have no value. Climate change is bullshit. It's a very dynamic world, everything they try to track and measure, are static, but treated as if they aren't in constant motion. If you want to track rising temperature, you just keep adding monitoring stations in the warmer climates (tropics), and go with an average.


Yes sea level is impossible to measure to mm.

You can measure to that level, even much finer, the shift of ice mass from the poles to all over the oceans via day length because we have such precise clocks and astromical measurements. That shows no such transfere.

The adding extra stations to the tracking would not do the trick of increasing the result. They have done the maths to be better than that.

So what they do do is to change the numbers. I kidd you not. They change the old numbers down. There is no excuse at all for it it is simly fraud.

The data you get would need to ne adjusted as the impact of local land use to the station will creat different temperatures. When the station was in a field half a mile away from the university in 1930 but is now surrounded by the newer bits of the university and is in fact in a car park where the bin wagon backs up and covers it in exhaust fumes every day you get much higher readings.

The new data needs to be adjusted down. That they do the opposite is fraud.

The data from the good sites is still often effected by urbanisation. The farm track which used to lead to the station is now a metaled road. When you are trying to get to thousanths of a degree you will have changed the numbers by more than that.
03-04-2020 16:42
James___
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Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.


Hey, feel free to use whatever units you like
. I just get the "Arrgh!!!s" when I see such things a Kgf. The scientific training you get in any place where you use SI this is heresy! Just making life much harder than it should be. Kilogramms are a unit of mass not force. Force is in Newtons.

The degree of utter confusion and brain twist that confusing units creates is massive. As a plumber I have been on gas courses. They do the same sort of thing with converting the units they have now into imperial then doing the crazy sum then converting back. When I do it in my head in a couple of seconds they are amazed. SI units make it all easy to work out. That's what they were invented for.



kPa = 1 newton meter. Why didn't they just use 9.8 newton meters/m^2 as 1 pascal? Basing a system on 9.8 is no different than the SAE using systems of 12 and 16 which is what IMHO helped to inspire the metric system because it's based on the number 10 like the decimal system everyone uses.

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1 Pascal is equal to the pressure of 1 newton per square meter. 1 Pa = 1 N / m2 ≡ 1 kg / m · s2.

This is where if pascals are divided by 9.8 then it's equivalent in kg is found or if divided by .098 then it's equivalent in grams is found. Pascals is an abstract term like Hg which is inches of mercury which is based on the mass/weight of mercury itself. And this means when I use kgf, I am using the metric system which was meant to be an international standard and now there is a new standard.
Couldn't they have just said that 1 kgf/m^2 = 1 pascal? That would've avoided using a system not based on 10.
Edited on 03-04-2020 17:06
03-04-2020 18:42
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.


Hey, feel free to use whatever units you like
. I just get the "Arrgh!!!s" when I see such things a Kgf. The scientific training you get in any place where you use SI this is heresy! Just making life much harder than it should be. Kilogramms are a unit of mass not force. Force is in Newtons.

The degree of utter confusion and brain twist that confusing units creates is massive. As a plumber I have been on gas courses. They do the same sort of thing with converting the units they have now into imperial then doing the crazy sum then converting back. When I do it in my head in a couple of seconds they are amazed. SI units make it all easy to work out. That's what they were invented for.



kPa = 1 newton meter. Why didn't they just use 9.8 newton meters/m^2 as 1 pascal? Basing a system on 9.8 is no different than the SAE using systems of 12 and 16 which is what IMHO helped to inspire the metric system because it's based on the number 10 like the decimal system everyone uses.

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1 Pascal is equal to the pressure of 1 newton per square meter. 1 Pa = 1 N / m2 ≡ 1 kg / m · s2.

This is where if pascals are divided by 9.8 then it's equivalent in kg is found or if divided by .098 then it's equivalent in grams is found. Pascals is an abstract term like Hg which is inches of mercury which is based on the mass/weight of mercury itself. And this means when I use kgf, I am using the metric system which was meant to be an international standard and now there is a new standard.
Couldn't they have just said that 1 kgf/m^2 = 1 pascal? That would've avoided using a system not based on 10.


1Pa is one Nm2

No 9.8 anywhere in SI. 9.8 is simply the measured acceleration of gravity/

100,000 Pa is a BAR, which happens to be about 1 atmosphere, that is the same as normal air pressure.

A Newton is a Newton. If you weigh a kilogram, a kg, you will find that it weighs 9.8Neutons. That is the force it pushes down on the earth is 1 kg x 9.8 m/s = force of 1 kg on the earth. Although this will vary a bit depending on where you are in the world.

They aimed for the acceleration due to gravity to be 10 but the place they did the thing first is a university half way between Paris and the place on the earth with the highest gravity in the world. Massive iron ore deposit a couple of hundred meters below the surface. Too deep for economical extraction.

Having this lbs(f) thing is just plain mad for anybody who is used to SI. All those equasions in physics like F=ma or KE = (mv^2)/2 (half m v squared) just work with no need to have any fiddle factors or odd weird units. All the units just come out of the maths. The energy of kinetic energy is in joules, The energy in heat is in joules. The energy in potential energy due to the height of an object released when it drops in in joules. The heat that energy goes into when it hits the floor is in joules. None of those things need any fiddle factors in them.

Imperial units I use when I am measuring a length of pipe if I need it to be about so long. Imperial units are sort of human friendly. They are fu[color=navy]cking u
seless for doing any sort of physics though. Even areas get messy. The moment you need to do a sum switch to SI.[/color]
03-04-2020 21:40
James___
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Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.


Hey, feel free to use whatever units you like
. I just get the "Arrgh!!!s" when I see such things a Kgf. The scientific training you get in any place where you use SI this is heresy! Just making life much harder than it should be. Kilogramms are a unit of mass not force. Force is in Newtons.

The degree of utter confusion and brain twist that confusing units creates is massive. As a plumber I have been on gas courses. They do the same sort of thing with converting the units they have now into imperial then doing the crazy sum then converting back. When I do it in my head in a couple of seconds they are amazed. SI units make it all easy to work out. That's what they were invented for.



kPa = 1 newton meter. Why didn't they just use 9.8 newton meters/m^2 as 1 pascal? Basing a system on 9.8 is no different than the SAE using systems of 12 and 16 which is what IMHO helped to inspire the metric system because it's based on the number 10 like the decimal system everyone uses.

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Featured snippet from the web
1 Pascal is equal to the pressure of 1 newton per square meter. 1 Pa = 1 N / m2 ≡ 1 kg / m · s2.

This is where if pascals are divided by 9.8 then it's equivalent in kg is found or if divided by .098 then it's equivalent in grams is found. Pascals is an abstract term like Hg which is inches of mercury which is based on the mass/weight of mercury itself. And this means when I use kgf, I am using the metric system which was meant to be an international standard and now there is a new standard.
Couldn't they have just said that 1 kgf/m^2 = 1 pascal? That would've avoided using a system not based on 10.


1Pa is one Nm2

No 9.8 anywhere in SI. 9.8 is simply the measured acceleration of gravity/

100,000 Pa is a BAR, which happens to be about 1 atmosphere, that is the same as normal air pressure.

A Newton is a Newton. If you weigh a kilogram, a kg, you will find that it weighs 9.8Neutons. That is the force it pushes down on the earth is 1 kg x 9.8 m/s = force of 1 kg on the earth. Although this will vary a bit depending on where you are in the world.

They aimed for the acceleration due to gravity to be 10 but the place they did the thing first is a university half way between Paris and the place on the earth with the highest gravity in the world. Massive iron ore deposit a couple of hundred meters below the surface. Too deep for economical extraction.

Having this lbs(f) thing is just plain mad for anybody who is used to SI. All those equasions in physics like F=ma or KE = (mv^2)/2 (half m v squared) just work with no need to have any fiddle factors or odd weird units. All the units just come out of the maths. The energy of kinetic energy is in joules, The energy in heat is in joules. The energy in potential energy due to the height of an object released when it drops in in joules. The heat that energy goes into when it hits the floor is in joules. None of those things need any fiddle factors in them.

Imperial units I use when I am measuring a length of pipe if I need it to be about so long. Imperial units are sort of human friendly. They are fu[color=navy]cking u
seless for doing any sort of physics though. Even areas get messy. The moment you need to do a sum switch to SI.[/color]



I think with Americans, most items at the store are in 12 oz or 1 lb containers.
And we measure about everything in 12 inches, ie., rulers are 12 inches long. Values people are used to be exposed to on a daily basis.
If you look at our 2 litre bottle of soda, it's 67.xx ounces. 1/2 kg, 500 grams. It's weight is listed as ounces. A lot of it might be conditioning just from everyday things we use.
I have a German historical project that I'm working on and I use both SAE and metric. I calculate torque in in/lbs, f = ma and p = mv in metric. This is where learning precalculus and calculus helps me to simply things.
I also have 2 atmospheric chemistry and physics that I am pursuing. Both of those are using the metric system. The first one will actually consider how we came to understand what atmospheric air pressure is. I've read a lot of books and what they say online about atmospheric air pressure is wrong. I actually hope to demonstrate the science behind it.
With me, as a joke I might sue the US Navy. When I enlisted they said that it wasn't a job, but that it was an adventure. The "adventure" should have ended upon my discharge. working with systems that used both vacuum and pressure piqued my interest.
And the link is to why atmospheric air pressure is a unit of pressure defined as 101,325 Pa (1,013.25 hPa; 1,013.25 mbar), which is equivalent to 760 mm Hg, 29.9212 inches Hg, or 14.696 psi.
The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth.
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/atmospheric-pressure/

I disagree with that. BTW, what it seems everyone missed with the sea level graph. As our planet warms, glaciers should melt increasing the sea level. The Arctic is warming 4 times faster than the temperate climatic region of the northern hemisphere which is warming twice as fast as the temperate climatic region of the southern hemisphere.
Basically, does it take 45 years for the oceans sea levels to balance out? Up to about 1950 the graph shown agreed with global warming in which CO2 levels rose by 10 or 20 ppm. I don't think they can (want to?) discuss this because then they'd have to consider mass displacement and sea levels in other parts of the world.
03-04-2020 22:31
Tim the plumber
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(1319)
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
How do Americans, well all people who were educated in imperial measurements, get SI units sooooo wrong? You can't have Kg/cm2 as a unit of pressure!!!


It can be used. I prefer it because it easily translates into SAE. 14.7 psi = 1.033 kgf/cm^2. Most Americans know that 1 kg = 2.204 lbs. So from the American perspective, kgf/cm^2 makes more sense.
https://www.sensorsone.com/kgcm2-kilogram-per-square-centimetre-pressure-unit/

From now on I'll use only SAE such as gravity's force is 32.185 ft/s. No need to say 9.81 m/s, right? And it's a yard and not a meter, okay? Even a mile and not a kilometer. And pressure is measured in psi, no need for metric when there is SAE. Problem solved. I lived in Norway before I started school. Americans felt the same way about my talking differently.

@Harvey and Duncan, please explain what is missing from the sea level graph.


Hey, feel free to use whatever units you like
. I just get the "Arrgh!!!s" when I see such things a Kgf. The scientific training you get in any place where you use SI this is heresy! Just making life much harder than it should be. Kilogramms are a unit of mass not force. Force is in Newtons.

The degree of utter confusion and brain twist that confusing units creates is massive. As a plumber I have been on gas courses. They do the same sort of thing with converting the units they have now into imperial then doing the crazy sum then converting back. When I do it in my head in a couple of seconds they are amazed. SI units make it all easy to work out. That's what they were invented for.



kPa = 1 newton meter. Why didn't they just use 9.8 newton meters/m^2 as 1 pascal? Basing a system on 9.8 is no different than the SAE using systems of 12 and 16 which is what IMHO helped to inspire the metric system because it's based on the number 10 like the decimal system everyone uses.

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Featured snippet from the web
1 Pascal is equal to the pressure of 1 newton per square meter. 1 Pa = 1 N / m2 ≡ 1 kg / m · s2.

This is where if pascals are divided by 9.8 then it's equivalent in kg is found or if divided by .098 then it's equivalent in grams is found. Pascals is an abstract term like Hg which is inches of mercury which is based on the mass/weight of mercury itself. And this means when I use kgf, I am using the metric system which was meant to be an international standard and now there is a new standard.
Couldn't they have just said that 1 kgf/m^2 = 1 pascal? That would've avoided using a system not based on 10.


1Pa is one Nm2

No 9.8 anywhere in SI. 9.8 is simply the measured acceleration of gravity/

100,000 Pa is a BAR, which happens to be about 1 atmosphere, that is the same as normal air pressure.

A Newton is a Newton. If you weigh a kilogram, a kg, you will find that it weighs 9.8Neutons. That is the force it pushes down on the earth is 1 kg x 9.8 m/s = force of 1 kg on the earth. Although this will vary a bit depending on where you are in the world.

They aimed for the acceleration due to gravity to be 10 but the place they did the thing first is a university half way between Paris and the place on the earth with the highest gravity in the world. Massive iron ore deposit a couple of hundred meters below the surface. Too deep for economical extraction.

Having this lbs(f) thing is just plain mad for anybody who is used to SI. All those equasions in physics like F=ma or KE = (mv^2)/2 (half m v squared) just work with no need to have any fiddle factors or odd weird units. All the units just come out of the maths. The energy of kinetic energy is in joules, The energy in heat is in joules. The energy in potential energy due to the height of an object released when it drops in in joules. The heat that energy goes into when it hits the floor is in joules. None of those things need any fiddle factors in them.

Imperial units I use when I am measuring a length of pipe if I need it to be about so long. Imperial units are sort of human friendly. They are fu[color=navy]cking u
seless for doing any sort of physics though. Even areas get messy. The moment you need to do a sum switch to SI.[/color]



I think with Americans, most items at the store are in 12 oz or 1 lb containers.
And we measure about everything in 12 inches, ie., rulers are 12 inches long. Values people are used to be exposed to on a daily basis.
If you look at our 2 litre bottle of soda, it's 67.xx ounces. 1/2 kg, 500 grams. It's weight is listed as ounces. A lot of it might be conditioning just from everyday things we use.
I have a German historical project that I'm working on and I use both SAE and metric. I calculate torque in in/lbs, f = ma and p = mv in metric. This is where learning precalculus and calculus helps me to simply things.
I also have 2 atmospheric chemistry and physics that I am pursuing. Both of those are using the metric system. The first one will actually consider how we came to understand what atmospheric air pressure is. I've read a lot of books and what they say online about atmospheric air pressure is wrong. I actually hope to demonstrate the science behind it.
With me, as a joke I might sue the US Navy. When I enlisted they said that it wasn't a job, but that it was an adventure. The "adventure" should have ended upon my discharge. working with systems that used both vacuum and pressure piqued my interest.
And the link is to why atmospheric air pressure is a unit of pressure defined as 101,325 Pa (1,013.25 hPa; 1,013.25 mbar), which is equivalent to 760 mm Hg, 29.9212 inches Hg, or 14.696 psi.
The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth.
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/atmospheric-pressure/

I disagree with that. BTW, what it seems everyone missed with the sea level graph. As our planet warms, glaciers should melt increasing the sea level. The Arctic is warming 4 times faster than the temperate climatic region of the northern hemisphere which is warming twice as fast as the temperate climatic region of the southern hemisphere.
Basically, does it take 45 years for the oceans sea levels to balance out? Up to about 1950 the graph shown agreed with global warming in which CO2 levels rose by 10 or 20 ppm. I don't think they can (want to?) discuss this because then they'd have to consider mass displacement and sea levels in other parts of the world.


You seem to have gone all over the place there.

What is odd about air pressure? When I say 1 BAR = atmospheric pressure it is a a slight simplification. As you say average air pressure is 1% above that but when a low pressure zone, a storm, passes then it is lower.

Have you seen the thread I started about the Greenland ice mass balance being positive not losing ice mass? That a simple look at the snowfall vs outflow leaves no room for any loss of ice mass.

When the last ice age maximum ended there was a pulse of ice melt and sea level rise. This was because there was a lot of ice at low altitude. It was vulnerable to melting. The stuff that is left is generally up some mountain. Greenland's ice for example is almost entirely safe because it is some 3km up. That stops anything close to warmth getting to the centre of the place. The edges are melting back a little but who cares?

To get a single 1mm rise in sea level you need 361 Gt of land ice to melt. That is 361 cubic kilometers, well a little more but close enough.
03-04-2020 23:00
James___
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Tim the plumber wrote:

To get a single 1mm rise in sea level you need 361 Gt of land ice to melt. That is 361 cubic kilometers, well a little more but close enough. [/color]



Why I mentioned the graph about sea level. It agreed until about 1950 with global warming. Harvey and Duncan missed that and basically everyone else.

Also, air pressure is not based on air pressure. Easy enough to understand if you know the history of science. But it seems people don't know anything before
WW II. I think that's when real science was last accomplished. After that, it became commercialized.
Edited on 03-04-2020 23:01
03-04-2020 23:02
Tim the plumber
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James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:

To get a single 1mm rise in sea level you need 361 Gt of land ice to melt. That is 361 cubic kilometers, well a little more but close enough. [/color]



Why I mentioned the graph about sea level. It agreed until about 1950 with global warming. Harvey and Duncan missed that and basically everyone else.

Also, air pressure is not based on air pressure. Easy enough to understand if you know the history of science. But it seems people don't know anything before
WW II. I think that's when real science was last accomplished. After that, it became commercialized.


Well that has lost me.

I can measure air pressure, using either mercury or water. Mecury is easier if you can get it but water will do, just need a 34 foot height to work with.
03-04-2020 23:21
James___
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Tim the plumber wrote:
James___ wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:

To get a single 1mm rise in sea level you need 361 Gt of land ice to melt. That is 361 cubic kilometers, well a little more but close enough. [/color]



Why I mentioned the graph about sea level. It agreed until about 1950 with global warming. Harvey and Duncan missed that and basically everyone else.

Also, air pressure is not based on air pressure. Easy enough to understand if you know the history of science. But it seems people don't know anything before
WW II. I think that's when real science was last accomplished. After that, it became commercialized.


Well that has lost me.

I can measure air pressure, using either mercury or water. Mecury is easier if you can get it but water will do, just need a 34 foot height to work with.



If you do that with water, then you'll see the problem.


I'll make it easy on you, okay?

32.18504 = 9.81 m/s or meters. Gravity accelerates at 9.81 m/s.

386.16 in^3 = 13.9 lbs of water. Why does 9.81 meters of water create more pressure than the mass of the water?

Outside of pascals, I bounce between SAE and metric. Other calculations show that column of water to have a mass of 13.95 lbs. And I do believe I can show this to be atmospheric air pressure. If so, then there are those who could find the history behind it. I wouldn't want to ever be called a plagiarist. That would mean that I am stealing someone else's work.
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