panama canal

keepit wrote:
James,
It was just a misprint. I meant ibd, not jbd.

James_ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James_ wrote: It's wasteful.

Explain. The water running out to the ocean will evaporate just the same as if it were remaining in Lake Gatún. Eventually, the same amount of water will fall, as rain, back into Lake Gatún.

What does it matter if it evaporates in the lake vs out at sea?

If they slow the flow rate out into the ocean then that would help to restore the wetlands where the Panamanian Golden Frog lives that all of us loves so much.

James_ wrote:
And with the locks, it might be possible to reduce the flow by so much that they'd need gateways which would act as the original rivers.

James_ wrote:

What does it matter if it evaporates in the lake vs out at sea?

Which ever updraft (flow of water vapor) is warmer should determine wind direction from that vertex.

keepit wrote:
The problem is the timing of the out flow and the timing of the evaporation and the eventual rainfall. If the outflow happens before the rainfall, then there isn't enough water to refill the locks. It's elementary.

keepit wrote: itn, I made a point of showing that the ship traffic had slowed, not stopped.

keepit wrote: I have a close friend in the business and he gives me the straight scoop.

keepit wrote:
itn,
I made a point of showing that the ship traffic had slowed, not stopped. I have a close friend in the business and he gives me the straight scoop. You don't get your story straight.

keepit wrote:
itn,
I hope this isn't semantics confusion. My bad if it is. By slowing i meant the frequency of ships passing through has decreased.

keepit wrote:
semantics confusion

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

It's hard to believe how stupid James is, and pretty much everybody else here for that matter, but James especially.

The Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean because it is saltier.

When salt dissolves in water there is a reduction in volume.

https://spark.iop.org/volume-change-dissolving-salt-water

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16000870.2017.1330454

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1jry2d/at_the_panama_canal_why_is_the_sea_level_for_the/

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

It's hard to believe how stupid James is, and pretty much everybody else here for that matter, but James especially.

The Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean because it is saltier.

When salt dissolves in water there is a reduction in volume.

https://spark.iop.org/volume-change-dissolving-salt-water

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16000870.2017.1330454

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1jry2d/at_the_panama_canal_why_is_the_sea_level_for_the/

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

It's hard to believe how stupid James is, and pretty much everybody else here for that matter, but James especially.

The Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean because it is saltier.

When salt dissolves in water there is a reduction in volume.

https://spark.iop.org/volume-change-dissolving-salt-water

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16000870.2017.1330454

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1jry2d/at_the_panama_canal_why_is_the_sea_level_for_the/

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Says the pathological liar who has nothing to do.

The salt content doesn't equalize between the 2, and that is the only reason that sufficiently explains the height difference.

All the reasons you list only explain why the waves in the Pacific are bigger, not why the entire sea level is higher there.

Swan wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

It's hard to believe how stupid James is, and pretty much everybody else here for that matter, but James especially.

The Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean because it is saltier.

When salt dissolves in water there is a reduction in volume.

https://spark.iop.org/volume-change-dissolving-salt-water

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16000870.2017.1330454

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1jry2d/at_the_panama_canal_why_is_the_sea_level_for_the/

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Says the pathological liar who has nothing to do.

The salt content doesn't equalize between the 2, and that is the only reason that sufficiently explains the height difference.

All the reasons you list only explain why the waves in the Pacific are bigger, not why the entire sea level is higher there.

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Swan wrote:

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:
My fee for teaching is steep, I seriously doubt that you could afford the tuition

I thought you'd want to show us how much smarter than us you are is wasn't but maybe might be. Like why would the water over the pacific plate (Pacific Ocean) be higher than water over the North American, African and Eurasian tectonic plates (Atlantic Ocean).
This has to be an easy problem for you Sawed. Show us you can do it!!

You are trying to say that the level of the plate makes the Pacific higher. This is as a result of the psychosis that your PhD created because the Pacific is deeper than the Atlantic. You may now resume prescribing pills for yourself

It's hard to believe how stupid James is, and pretty much everybody else here for that matter, but James especially.

The Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean because it is saltier.

When salt dissolves in water there is a reduction in volume.

https://spark.iop.org/volume-change-dissolving-salt-water

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16000870.2017.1330454

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1jry2d/at_the_panama_canal_why_is_the_sea_level_for_the/

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Says the pathological liar who has nothing to do.

The salt content doesn't equalize between the 2, and that is the only reason that sufficiently explains the height difference.

All the reasons you list only explain why the waves in the Pacific are bigger, not why the entire sea level is higher there.

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

The salt content doesn't equalize between the Pacific and Atlantic. That is the only reason that sufficiently explains the height difference.

Winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature might explain why the waves in the Pacific are bigger, but not why its entire height is greater.

Swan wrote:

Yawn, are you a graduate of the FBI academy? because you are exceptionally dumb.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume. For you a chemistry degree may be required to comprehend that, for me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Yawn, are you a graduate of the FBI academy? because you are exceptionally dumb.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume. For you a chemistry degree may be required to comprehend that, for me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

Let me explain this for you real simple, genius.

Dissolve salt in a cup of water, and the volume will decrease.

Blow on the water, and the volume won't change.

James_ wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Yawn, are you a graduate of the FBI academy? because you are exceptionally dumb.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume. For you a chemistry degree may be required to comprehend that, for me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

Let me explain this for you real simple, genius.

Dissolve salt in a cup of water, and the volume will decrease.

Blow on the water, and the volume won't change.

There is no salt in water. There are sodium and chlorine ions. When the sodium and chlorine ions are removed from the water they will reform and become salt crystals again. You should go and read the thread where a propane refrigerator was discussed. I think about everybody was involved with that discussion and no problems. You need to get a clue.

p.s., When drinking salty sea water, why it can kill people is because they might be drinking chlorine. I think chlorine was used for mustard gas during WW I. Einstein hated one of his colleagues who said killing on mass using science can save lives. I think chlorine gas was his specialty. Anyone can search mustard gas and WW I if they want to.

Swan wrote:

Salt content has nothing to do with the height differences between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

For me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

Swan wrote

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume.

John Marsriver wrote:

James_ wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Yawn, are you a graduate of the FBI academy? because you are exceptionally dumb.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume. For you a chemistry degree may be required to comprehend that, for me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

Let me explain this for you real simple, genius.

Dissolve salt in a cup of water, and the volume will decrease.

Blow on the water, and the volume won't change.

There is no salt in water. There are sodium and chlorine ions. When the sodium and chlorine ions are removed from the water they will reform and become salt crystals again. You should go and read the thread where a propane refrigerator was discussed. I think about everybody was involved with that discussion and no problems. You need to get a clue.

p.s., When drinking salty sea water, why it can kill people is because they might be drinking chlorine. I think chlorine was used for mustard gas during WW I. Einstein hated one of his colleagues who said killing on mass using science can save lives. I think chlorine gas was his specialty. Anyone can search mustard gas and WW I if they want to.

I'm taking about why the Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean, because it is saltier.

You know all about ionic complexity, but you apparently can't grasp this simple explanation?

sealover wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

James_ wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote:

Yawn, are you a graduate of the FBI academy? because you are exceptionally dumb.

Because the ocean is one continuous body of water, its surface tends to seek the same level throughout the world. However, winds, currents, river discharges, and variations in gravity and temperature prevent the sea surface from being truly level.

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume. For you a chemistry degree may be required to comprehend that, for me it's just another mock of your lack of real intelligence

Let me explain this for you real simple, genius.

Dissolve salt in a cup of water, and the volume will decrease.

Blow on the water, and the volume won't change.

There is no salt in water. There are sodium and chlorine ions. When the sodium and chlorine ions are removed from the water they will reform and become salt crystals again. You should go and read the thread where a propane refrigerator was discussed. I think about everybody was involved with that discussion and no problems. You need to get a clue.

p.s., When drinking salty sea water, why it can kill people is because they might be drinking chlorine. I think chlorine was used for mustard gas during WW I. Einstein hated one of his colleagues who said killing on mass using science can save lives. I think chlorine gas was his specialty. Anyone can search mustard gas and WW I if they want to.

I'm taking about why the Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean, because it is saltier.

You know all about ionic complexity, but you apparently can't grasp this simple explanation?

Greetings, new member!

You are quite correct about the difference in density, as a result in differential salinity, between water in the Atlantic versus the Pacific.

If you wish to discuss sea water chemistry, please join me.

John Marsriver wrote:
[quote]James_ wrote:

I'm taking about why the Atlantic Ocean is lower than the Pacific Ocean: because it is saltier.

You know all about ionic complexity, but you apparently can't grasp this simple explanation?

Detailed Description

This diagram shows the positive and negative parts of a water molecule. It also depicts how a charge, such as on an ion (Na or Cl, for example) can interact with a water molecule.

https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/water-molecules-and-their-interaction-salt

John Marsriver wrote:
Gravity is not the reason why the Pacific Ocean is higher than the Atlantic.

John Marsriver wrote:
Gravity is not the reason why the Pacific Ocean is higher than the Atlantic.

sealover wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:
Gravity is not the reason why the Pacific Ocean is higher than the Atlantic.

Actually, gravity has everything to do with it.

Density (specific gravity) is about how much mass is packed into a particular volume. Gravity acts upon mass. Saltier water is more dense, and gets more gravity per volume acting upon it.


And Panama, but not the canal, has everything to do with historic climate change and a shift to a cycle of glaciation.

More than five million years ago, Panama was not connected to South America.

There was a gap between the continents that allowed the free flow of water between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. A global current flowed constantly in one direction between the two.

This allowed for much more even distribution of salt in the world ocean, with little difference between Pacific and Atlantic.

This also allowed for much more even distribution of heat in ocean surface water.

Tropical waters were cooler than today, and Arctic waters were warmer than today. Little to no sea ice, and more of a temperate climate near the poles.

Five million years ago, there was not a repeating cycle of glaciation.

But when plate tectonics moved Panama up against South America, it blocked the global current.

Tropical waters became warmer, and Arctic waters became cool enough to freeze. And a cycle of glacial advance and retreat began.

James_ wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:
Gravity is not the reason why the Pacific Ocean is higher than the Atlantic.

It actually proves g = Gm/r^2. The acceleration of gravity on the seafloor of the Pacific Ocean is 9.829m/s while on the seafloor
of the Atlantic Ocean it is 9,827m/s.

You don't get it, do you? Gravity does something. I'm not sure, can you help me out with this? The Pacific Ocean is higher because gravity is an attractive force?
With water, it's not as dense as dirt is so it won't slow gravity as much (decrease its force as quickly once removed from the source (iron core/outer core) allowing for the exponential decrease of the gravitational effect).
It's possible the outer core is where the Earth's gravity's moment of inertia is found and the dense inner core is from gravitational lensing. It'd be the inverse function because it's being pulled in all directions instead of being compressed. Think Joules-Thomson throttling process. Gasses can be cooled into liquids and maybe even solids.

p.s., While there are gravitational wells, this would be an example of gravitational eddys. It's possible the outer core is in a super critical state. That is basically what they consider Venus' atmosphere to be. It's a gas that acts like a liquid.

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume.

I said it takes up less volume.

You seem to be confusing more with less, and nothing with everything.

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume.

I said it takes up less volume.

You seem to be confusing more with less, and nothing with everything.

Swan wrote:

When you add salt to water and the salt dissolves, the water molecules surround and separate the salt ions, creating a solution. The dissolved salt molecules become interspersed among the water molecules, but they do not add enough volume to substantially alter the total volume of the solution in either direction.

Swan wrote:

John Marsriver wrote:

Swan wrote

Besides even though saltier water is more dense, it does not take up more volume.

I said it takes up less volume.

You seem to be confusing more with less, and nothing with everything.

When you add salt to water and the salt dissolves, the water molecules surround and separate the salt ions, creating a solution. The dissolved salt molecules become interspersed among the water molecules, but they do not add enough volume to substantially alter the total volume of the solution in either direction.

James_ wrote:
So you're saying because the Pacific Ocean is saltier and has a higher sea level that this proves that adding salt to water makes it denser?

James_ wrote:

Swan wrote:

When you add salt to water and the salt dissolves, the water molecules surround and separate the salt ions, creating a solution. The dissolved salt molecules become interspersed among the water molecules, but they do not add enough volume to substantially alter the total volume of the solution in either direction.

\ You ignorant "ignoramus". Didn't you read the science magazine article about a science teacher who was pranked by his students? This was epic because his students were that dedicated to making fun of his love for M & M's.
I think he might've been a math teacher because of the content of the prank.
What they did was that they filled a barrel with plain chocolate M & M's. Then he realized that the difference in volume between a sphere and an ellipse shows how matter can be considered when what occupies how much space. An example is during the day gasses can expand while at night they "contract". I think this is what helps to make the Earth the most interesting planet in the solar system.

When salt dissolves, the 2 ions occupy less space than the molecule (NaCl) occupies. The difference between plain and peanut M & M's. That's so focked up it might work.

John Marsriver wrote:

James_ wrote:
So you're saying because the Pacific Ocean is saltier and has a higher sea level that this proves that adding salt to water makes it denser?

Are you really not paying attention? The Atlantic Ocean is saltier.

The Pacific Ocean is 8 inches higher.

Yes I think it's correct salt makes the water denser, constricts it a bit, reducing volume slightly.