Fossil fuels

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

Into the Night wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

joseph369 wrote: Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum

joseph369 wrote: ... and are heading into the next ice age ...[?quote]
Convince me we are heading into an ice age.

[quote]joseph369 wrote:... it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand.

joseph369 wrote: The question is, how long will they last

joseph369 wrote: A few hundred years maybe?

joseph369 wrote: One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

Swan wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

There is no way to predict the next ice age or if there will be one. Furthermore temps could drop by 1 degree every ten thousand years and no human would be able to notice as the Earth does not keep our schedule

joseph369 wrote: I'm just going by the last 400,000 years of ice core data.

joseph369 wrote: True, it might not happen again, ...

joseph369 wrote: ... but if it does i think we're going to consume all of earth's fossil fuels just to keep warm.

James___ wrote:LMAO

James___ wrote: There will be another one.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:LMAO

LOL LOL ... Yawn. LOL



LOL.


Yawn.

James___ wrote: There will be another one.

What makes you think there were ever any in the first place? Are you thinking that because Norway has snow that the rest of the planet will all rush to be just like Norway all at once? Is Norway going to start exporting its ice globally? Will Norway be producing this impending ice age?



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James___ wrote: 3 of the 5 Great Lakes in North America were carved out by the last ice age.

James___ wrote:This is getting into their geology.

James___ wrote: This allowed for earthen material to be easily washed away.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote: 3 of the 5 Great Lakes in North America were carved out by the last ice age.

... and you believe this because it was recorded on video, yes? ... or did you simply take a stroll in your time machine?

James___ wrote:This is getting into their geology.

Nope. This is purely speculation of the past.

James___ wrote: This allowed for earthen material to be easily washed away.

Actually, everything on the planet allowed for it. There wasn't a single thing on the planet that prevented the washed away earthen material from being washed away.

When the day comes that you expire, I'm going to have written on your gravestone that the last ice age allowed for your passing.


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Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

Sheesh dude... Because the obliquity is decreasing.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Today, on March 6, 2021 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43652°.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001° less than 30 days ago.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's axial tilt is said to oscillate between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees every 41000 years.

Spongy Iris wrote:
It looks like the nicest weather was about 11000 years ago, and coolest weather in 10000 years

joseph369 wrote:
I'm just going by the last 400,000 years of ice core data.

joseph369 wrote:
True, it might not happen again,

joseph369 wrote:
but if it does i think we're going to consume all of earth's fossil fuels just to keep warm.

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:LMAO

LOL LOL ... Yawn. LOL



LOL.


Yawn.

James___ wrote: There will be another one.

What makes you think there were ever any in the first place? Are you thinking that because Norway has snow that the rest of the planet will all rush to be just like Norway all at once? Is Norway going to start exporting its ice globally? Will Norway be producing this impending ice age?



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3 of the 5 Great Lakes in North America were carved out by the last ice age. I think it's actually all 5. This allows for 2 causes of how the melting of the glaciers changed the landscape. Myself, it could be after repeated ice ages and we only notice the effects of the last one. This is getting into their geology. With lakes Superior and Ontario, there was a different reason for their existence.
With lakes Michigan, Huron and Erie, they sit atop of bedrock that is quite hard. What helps to date Lake Erie is the rate that Niagara Falls is moving upstream.
Son, this is all basic information that every true American knows, where did I go wrong with you?

I'll clue you in. I thought that I taught you better. And yet you don't know the geology of North America.

p.s., with lakes Superior and Ontario, ancient fault lines. This allowed for earthen material to be easily washed away.

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum...

gfm7175 wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum...

Thank you for providing me with yet another entry for the Lispy Leftist List of Linguistic Lunacy.

This list that I started up about a month ago has surely grown to be quite long already due to how commonplace such meaningless babble is.

IBdaMann wrote:

gfm7175 wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum...

Thank you for providing me with yet another entry for the Lispy Leftist List of Linguistic Lunacy.

This list that I started up about a month ago has surely grown to be quite long already due to how commonplace such meaningless babble is.

There is no end in sight.

I wonder if you will have a special list of names of key dead people that are thrown around as "trump card" buzzwords, e.g. Svante Arrhenius, John Tyndall, etc. because they "understood" [insert dogma in question] and were far smarter than you or I, although being unavailable to be cross-examined.

After all, Greenhouse Effect was understood and explained in the late 1800s. There is no debate, it's just a question of what the impact will be.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius


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Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

Sheesh dude... Because the obliquity is decreasing.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Today, on March 6, 2021 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43652°.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001° less than 30 days ago.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's axial tilt is said to oscillate between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees every 41000 years.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
It looks like the nicest weather was about 11000 years ago, and coolest weather in 10000 years

How do you know? Were you there?

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:LMAO

LOL LOL ... Yawn. LOL



LOL.


Yawn.

James___ wrote: There will be another one.

What makes you think there were ever any in the first place? Are you thinking that because Norway has snow that the rest of the planet will all rush to be just like Norway all at once? Is Norway going to start exporting its ice globally? Will Norway be producing this impending ice age?



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3 of the 5 Great Lakes in North America were carved out by the last ice age. I think it's actually all 5. This allows for 2 causes of how the melting of the glaciers changed the landscape. Myself, it could be after repeated ice ages and we only notice the effects of the last one. This is getting into their geology. With lakes Superior and Ontario, there was a different reason for their existence.
With lakes Michigan, Huron and Erie, they sit atop of bedrock that is quite hard. What helps to date Lake Erie is the rate that Niagara Falls is moving upstream.
Son, this is all basic information that every true American knows, where did I go wrong with you?

I'll clue you in. I thought that I taught you better. And yet you don't know the geology of North America.

p.s., with lakes Superior and Ontario, ancient fault lines. This allowed for earthen material to be easily washed away.

You seem to be claiming all sorts of things from 40,000 years ago. I know were aren't that old. You are speculating.

James___ wrote:It's better to have a thought than to have none at all.

James___ wrote:

Swan wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

There is no way to predict the next ice age or if there will be one. Furthermore temps could drop by 1 degree every ten thousand years and no human would be able to notice as the Earth does not keep our schedule

LMAO

There will be another one. This is where understanding momentum and the moment of inertia helps. It really doesn't matter to us any way, we'll be dead. Of course if old people like you had kids and they had kids, then in another 200 years it will most likely be cooler than it is today.
If you ever considered previous ice ages, 3 out of the last 4 had a spike in temperature. And then a slow decline into a cooler and cooler climate. As far as the Earth goes, since about 1940, we've probably been living in the "Golden Age". Ever since the holocene climate optimum, the duration of the warm periods seem to have decreased. And geologically speaking, inter-glacial periods usually end about now any way. And that will take time to become obvious.

Swan wrote:

James___ wrote:

Swan wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

There is no way to predict the next ice age or if there will be one. Furthermore temps could drop by 1 degree every ten thousand years and no human would be able to notice as the Earth does not keep our schedule

LMAO

There will be another one. This is where understanding momentum and the moment of inertia helps. It really doesn't matter to us any way, we'll be dead. Of course if old people like you had kids and they had kids, then in another 200 years it will most likely be cooler than it is today.
If you ever considered previous ice ages, 3 out of the last 4 had a spike in temperature. And then a slow decline into a cooler and cooler climate. As far as the Earth goes, since about 1940, we've probably been living in the "Golden Age". Ever since the holocene climate optimum, the duration of the warm periods seem to have decreased. And geologically speaking, inter-glacial periods usually end about now any way. And that will take time to become obvious.

Dude you can't predict the weather next year but you can predict the future at will

Take your pills

James___ wrote:Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

What time period are you claiming this "history" covers?

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James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

What time period are you claiming this "history" covers?

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It's interesting that with the internet about all you guys can do is say millions of years ago. You guys need to take some time to learn a little about history. Yet it never happened so there you go.

duncan61 wrote:A lot off crude was formed a long time ago by decomposing flora and fauna

James___ wrote:

Swan wrote:

James___ wrote:

Swan wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

There is no way to predict the next ice age or if there will be one. Furthermore temps could drop by 1 degree every ten thousand years and no human would be able to notice as the Earth does not keep our schedule

LMAO

There will be another one. This is where understanding momentum and the moment of inertia helps. It really doesn't matter to us any way, we'll be dead. Of course if old people like you had kids and they had kids, then in another 200 years it will most likely be cooler than it is today.
If you ever considered previous ice ages, 3 out of the last 4 had a spike in temperature. And then a slow decline into a cooler and cooler climate. As far as the Earth goes, since about 1940, we've probably been living in the "Golden Age". Ever since the holocene climate optimum, the duration of the warm periods seem to have decreased. And geologically speaking, inter-glacial periods usually end about now any way. And that will take time to become obvious.

Dude you can't predict the weather next year but you can predict the future at will

Take your pills

Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

joseph369 wrote:
Now that we have passed the holocene climate optimum and are heading into the next ice age it occurred to me that it's a good thing we have all these fossil fuels on hand. The question is, how long will they last as global temperatures drop by 10C and people start freezing their butts off? A few hundred years maybe? One thing that's certain is that they will all be gone before the glacial cycle is over.

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

Sheesh dude... Because the obliquity is decreasing.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Today, on March 6, 2021 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43652°.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001° less than 30 days ago.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's axial tilt is said to oscillate between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees every 41000 years.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
It looks like the nicest weather was about 11000 years ago, and coolest weather in 10000 years

How do you know? Were you there?

The greater Earth's axial tilt angle, the more extreme our seasons are, as each hemisphere receives more solar radiation during its summer, when the hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun, and less during winter, when it is tilted away. Larger tilt angles favor periods of deglaciation.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is also the orbital eccentricity cycle, the 100,000 year cycle of which lines up to how often scientists think ice ages have happened in the past 800,000 years.

Spongy Iris wrote:
In about 100,000 years, Earth will be further away from the Sun much of the year because the orbit will be less circular and more oval.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:LMAO

LOL LOL ... Yawn. LOL



LOL.


Yawn.

James___ wrote: There will be another one.

What makes you think there were ever any in the first place? Are you thinking that because Norway has snow that the rest of the planet will all rush to be just like Norway all at once? Is Norway going to start exporting its ice globally? Will Norway be producing this impending ice age?



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3 of the 5 Great Lakes in North America were carved out by the last ice age. I think it's actually all 5. This allows for 2 causes of how the melting of the glaciers changed the landscape. Myself, it could be after repeated ice ages and we only notice the effects of the last one. This is getting into their geology. With lakes Superior and Ontario, there was a different reason for their existence.
With lakes Michigan, Huron and Erie, they sit atop of bedrock that is quite hard. What helps to date Lake Erie is the rate that Niagara Falls is moving upstream.
Son, this is all basic information that every true American knows, where did I go wrong with you?

I'll clue you in. I thought that I taught you better. And yet you don't know the geology of North America.

p.s., with lakes Superior and Ontario, ancient fault lines. This allowed for earthen material to be easily washed away.

You seem to be claiming all sorts of things from 40,000 years ago. I know were aren't that old. You are speculating.

It's better to have a thought than to have none at all.

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

What time period are you claiming this "history" covers?

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It's interesting that with the internet about all you guys can do is say millions of years ago. You guys need to take some time to learn a little about history. Yet it never happened so there you go.

'History', I've found, isn't entirely factual, or complete. People tend to record event, as they interpret, or how they wish them to be remembered. Events that happened, before the historian was born, isn't history, it's purely speculation, about what might have happened, a fiction, not facts. O like reading about science. I also enjoy reading science fiction. Maybe that's how I'm able to keep the two separate. There is nothing wrong, with a scientist, engaging in fictional writing. There would be no innovations, if there was no imagination. Some people just like the fiction written, to the scientist, who wrote it, and believe it to be true and factual. After all, a scientist, has no imagination, and couldn't possibly write fiction.

Into the Night wrote:So who was recording events 40,000 years ago??

Into the Night wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:

James___ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

James___ wrote:Saying that another cool period will happen is only acknowledging what history has taught us.

What time period are you claiming this "history" covers?

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It's interesting that with the internet about all you guys can do is say millions of years ago. You guys need to take some time to learn a little about history. Yet it never happened so there you go.

'History', I've found, isn't entirely factual, or complete. People tend to record event, as they interpret, or how they wish them to be remembered. Events that happened, before the historian was born, isn't history, it's purely speculation, about what might have happened, a fiction, not facts. O like reading about science. I also enjoy reading science fiction. Maybe that's how I'm able to keep the two separate. There is nothing wrong, with a scientist, engaging in fictional writing. There would be no innovations, if there was no imagination. Some people just like the fiction written, to the scientist, who wrote it, and believe it to be true and factual. After all, a scientist, has no imagination, and couldn't possibly write fiction.

So who was recording events 40,000 years ago??

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
[quote]joseph369 wrote:

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

Sheesh dude... Because the obliquity is decreasing.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Today, on March 6, 2021 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43652°.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001° less than 30 days ago.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's axial tilt is said to oscillate between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees every 41000 years.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
It looks like the nicest weather was about 11000 years ago, and coolest weather in 10000 years

How do you know? Were you there?

The greater Earth's axial tilt angle, the more extreme our seasons are, as each hemisphere receives more solar radiation during its summer, when the hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun, and less during winter, when it is tilted away. Larger tilt angles favor periods of deglaciation.

Why would it? A larger tile angle effective enlarges the Artic circle and the Antarctic circle, where the Sun doesn't rise at all during one or more days of the year.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is also the orbital eccentricity cycle, the 100,000 year cycle of which lines up to how often scientists think ice ages have happened in the past 800,000 years.

How do they know? They don't. This is religion.

Spongy Iris wrote:
In about 100,000 years, Earth will be further away from the Sun much of the year because the orbit will be less circular and more oval.

Did you know that aphelion (the time when Earth is furthest from the Sun and in the slowest part of it's orbit) occurs during summer in the Northern hemisphere? It takes place in mid July.

Perihelion, Earth's closest approach to the Sun, and also when it is moving fastest during it's orbit, takes place in mid January, which is winter in the Northern hemisphere.

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
[quote]joseph369 wrote:

What makes you think ice ages even happen at all? It's certainly not any theory of science.

Sheesh dude... Because the obliquity is decreasing.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Today, on March 6, 2021 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43652°.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001° less than 30 days ago.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Earth's axial tilt is said to oscillate between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees every 41000 years.

So?

Spongy Iris wrote:
It looks like the nicest weather was about 11000 years ago, and coolest weather in 10000 years

How do you know? Were you there?

The greater Earth's axial tilt angle, the more extreme our seasons are, as each hemisphere receives more solar radiation during its summer, when the hemisphere is tilted toward the Sun, and less during winter, when it is tilted away. Larger tilt angles favor periods of deglaciation.

Why would it? A larger tile angle effective enlarges the Artic circle and the Antarctic circle, where the Sun doesn't rise at all during one or more days of the year.

Spongy Iris wrote:
There is also the orbital eccentricity cycle, the 100,000 year cycle of which lines up to how often scientists think ice ages have happened in the past 800,000 years.

How do they know? They don't. This is religion.

Spongy Iris wrote:
In about 100,000 years, Earth will be further away from the Sun much of the year because the orbit will be less circular and more oval.

Did you know that aphelion (the time when Earth is furthest from the Sun and in the slowest part of it's orbit) occurs during summer in the Northern hemisphere? It takes place in mid July.

Perihelion, Earth's closest approach to the Sun, and also when it is moving fastest during it's orbit, takes place in mid January, which is winter in the Northern hemisphere.

It's easier to supply a heat source that's hotter than ice, than it is to supply a heat sink that's colder than freezing point.

Spongy Iris wrote:
Melts faster than it freezes. That's why hotter summers/higher tilt favors deglaciation.

Spongy Iris wrote:
OK 100,000 year orbital eccentricity cycle is religion. Where can I find the holy book from which this religion is derived?

Spongy Iris wrote:
Summers in the southern hemisphere will tend to be warmer than summers in the northern hemisphere from the result of the Sun being closer to Earth in January than July.

Into the Night wrote:Nope. Nothing unusual about summers or winters in the Southern hemispheres. The hottest temperature ever recorded at a weather station is in Death Valley, in the summer, in the Northern hemisphere.

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:A lot off crude was formed a long time ago by decomposing flora and fauna

Why should any rational adult believe that?

Absolutely no living thing that dies ever decays into petroleum. Graveyards are not universally being eyed by Big Oil for drilling. When a court orders a body exhumed for some investigation, no crude oil is discovered upon opening the casket.

From our understanding of the Fischer-Tropsch process, hydrocarbons require intense heat and pressure to form. There is no intense heat and pressure in the fossil record ... deep in the earth's crust and mantle, yes but certainly not up near the surface where life lives. Archaeological sites are not knee-deep in oil.

So what are you talking about?


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