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fossil fuel10-01-2021 04:54
duncan61
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I like the term fossil fuel.When it is used everyone knows what it means
I like the term greenhouse gas when it is used everyone knows what it means
I like the term Global warming when it is used everyone knows what it means


duncan61
10-01-2021 05:39
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I like the term fossil fuel.When it is used everyone knows what it means
I like the term greenhouse gas when it is used everyone knows what it means
I like the term Global warming when it is used everyone knows what it means


Yeah, but some of my favorite words seem to get censored on this site, for some reason. Even small children know what they mean, and use them. Some people are just more easily offended, than others.

Some object to the terms you listed, based on accuracy or belief. Sort of a weak argument to raise, since they are only words, and very simply describe something, that would take much more typing to avoid using, something everyone already knows what you are referring to. It's really an objection, meant to take control over a discussion, and put you on the defensive, and to deflect from the point you just made. For some, every discussion, needs to be a debate game, and there can be no separation. It has to be an argument, and there has to be a 'winner'. It is the 'Climate-Debate' website, so the games are to be expected, doesn't mean you are obligated in playing. I simply walk away from the games, and either start a new thread, or find another, let them play it out. 'Winning', just isn't that important here.
10-01-2021 07:05
duncan61
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That is where I am at as well.
10-01-2021 08:45
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duncan61 wrote:I like the term fossil fuel.When it is used everyone knows what it means

Except that roughly 99.99% of the people who use the term are confused about what it means AND what it implies.

duncan61 wrote:I like the term greenhouse gas when it is used everyone knows what it means

Except that there isn't a person alive who knows what the term means. Shall we start with you?

duncan61 wrote:I like the term Global warming when it is used everyone knows what it means

Only those scientifically illiterate morons who worship that religion as ordered pretend they know what it means except they are instantly transformed into flailing hee-haww donkeys with a case of Tourett's on steroids if asked to unambiguously define it. Shall we start with you?


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Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-01-2021 15:56
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Most people understand that they are catch phrases, and what they refer to. Global warming and Climate Change, refer to a silly cult of pseudo-scientists, bent on destroying the economy, an taking over the world, as one form of socialist government.

Fossil Fuels, refer to coal and oil, that was taken out of the ground, and presumed to have been there a very long time. I don't recall anyone trying to 'date' these product deposits, or even caring. Before man started using, and exploiting these resources, they were known to exist, for a long time. Tar pits, and oil pools were bad things to be avoided.

Other than joining the cult, getting to what these nut jobs are actually saying, is pointless. The misuse a lot of words, science, and make up phrases constantly. That's pretty much how a cult draws you in. Your a moron, if you don't understand their language. And by the time you learn all their crap, you are broken, and a cult member. It takes faith, to accept any meaning of there crap, and insane to try and comprehend it, and remain objective.

I'll continue to use these common phrase, occasionally bother to use single quotes, if I care enough, not to offend the weak, or hope to avoid a silly debate-game deflection, to derail the thread, over semantics. Easy win, if the thread was intended as a debate, and not a simple discussion. But for some here, everything has to be debated, and reduced to ridiculous. New members, not interested in perpetual arguments, don't stick around long. Some people really need those 'small wins', to function in life.
10-01-2021 17:58
duncan61
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I dont like the term scientifically illiterate morons.Hows your election going gooseberry?
10-01-2021 20:18
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
I dont like the term scientifically illiterate morons.Hows your election going gooseberry?


People that deny science are morons. People that never learned science are illiterate.

Figure it out.

The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics have been given to you. The Stefan-Boltzmann law has been given to you. These are based on theories of science. You can't just discard them. That is being a moron. It is an argument of the Stone fallacy. You can't just change them. That is discarding them.

No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

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11-01-2021 08:21
duncan61
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You repeat that no gas or vapour is capable of warming the Earth but the atmosphere does something to the temperature and its gas
11-01-2021 15:53
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote: You repeat that no gas or vapour is capable of warming the Earth but the atmosphere does something to the temperature and its gas

Duncan, are you asking how it is that the atmosphere is warmed by the sun and by earth's thermal radiation? You seem confused over something pretty basic.

Perhaps you are confusing "cause" with "effect." The atmosphere is warmed by the sun and the earth, not the other way around.


I hope that helps.


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A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
12-01-2021 00:39
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
You repeat that no gas or vapour is capable of warming the Earth but the atmosphere does something to the temperature and its gas


Nothing. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth. Also note that the atmosphere is part of the Earth.

Out in space, around the Earth, the ISS is receiving the same energy from the Sun. The Moon is also, essentially a natural satellite around Earth.

Assuming the Sun's output is the same, they do not change temperature either. They remain the same.

Surface temperature on the Moon can vary widely, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

Surface temperature on the surface of Earth varies very little, compared to the Moon, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

An atmosphere is mass. It takes time to heat it and cool it. Daytime and nighttime temperatures do not vary as widely as the surface of the Moon for that reason. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
12-01-2021 08:25
duncan61
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ITN wrote
Nothing. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth. Also note that the atmosphere is part of the Earth.

Out in space, around the Earth, the ISS is receiving the same energy from the Sun. The Moon is also, essentially a natural satellite around Earth.

Assuming the Sun's output is the same, they do not change temperature either. They remain the same.

Surface temperature on the Moon can vary widely, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

Surface temperature on the surface of Earth varies very little, compared to the Moon, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

An atmosphere is mass. It takes time to heat it and cool it. Daytime and nighttime temperatures do not vary as widely as the surface of the Moon for that reason. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth.
Duncan 61 wrote GOT IT.I parked down by the river after doing my task today and looked at the sky.It is starting to make sense.The pissy bit of extra CO2 is doing squat
12-01-2021 08:31
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Into The Nithe wrote
Nothing. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth. Also note that the atmosphere is part of the Earth.

Out in space, around the Earth, the ISS is receiving the same energy from the Sun. The Moon is also, essentially a natural satellite around Earth.

Assuming the Sun's output is the same, they do not change temperature either. They remain the same.

Surface temperature on the Moon can vary widely, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

Surface temperature on the surface of Earth varies very little, compared to the Moon, but it's overall temperature remains the same.

An atmosphere is mass. It takes time to heat it and cool it. Daytime and nighttime temperatures do not vary as widely as the surface of the Moon for that reason. The atmosphere is incapable of warming the Earth.

Duncan 61 wrote GOT IT.I parked down by the river after doing my task today and looked at the sky.It is starting to make sense.The pissy bit of extra CO2 is doing squat


There. Fixed the formatting for you. I'm glad you are starting to see that CO2 does nothing to the temperature of the Earth. A bit of reflection like this often helps.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan
Edited on 12-01-2021 08:33
13-01-2021 05:21
duncan61
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Its 24 hours later and I have put a new battery in my laser temperature gun.How can a cooler atmosphere warm the hotter surface.I am surprised you believed that ITN.
LOL
13-01-2021 09:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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duncan61 wrote:
Its 24 hours later and I have put a new battery in my laser temperature gun.How can a cooler atmosphere warm the hotter surface.I am surprised you believed that ITN.
LOL

It can't. I never said it did.


The Parrot Killer

Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan




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