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07-04-2020 21:25
Into the Night★★★★★ (19753)	James___ wrote: IBdaMann wrote: James___ wrote: Norwegians are the innocent victims here. The next thing I know is that you'll try blaming the Lapp when it's the Snohomish fault. The Saemieh are entirely to blame for the Norwegian jet stream with all their early tjoervie (capitalism) and their greedy desire to overfish and to destroy Climate. How could they NOT be totally responsible? . Just as Jews marched around Jericho to bring its walls down (shock waves through the ground), all this energy causes heat to rise up from the floor of the Pacific Ocean by causing the ground to move. This in turn warms the Salish Sea. https://youtu.be/SqSX1MjmtqU Puget Sound is typically warmer than the Pacific Ocean off the shores of Washington. It is heated by solar energy and a more stagnated current. The Pacific Ocean off the shore of Washington and Oregon is quite cold right now, as measured by USCG and merchant marine shipping. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
07-04-2020 22:54
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	Into the Night wrote: James___ wrote: IBdaMann wrote: James___ wrote: Norwegians are the innocent victims here. The next thing I know is that you'll try blaming the Lapp when it's the Snohomish fault. The Saemieh are entirely to blame for the Norwegian jet stream with all their early tjoervie (capitalism) and their greedy desire to overfish and to destroy Climate. How could they NOT be totally responsible? . Just as Jews marched around Jericho to bring its walls down (shock waves through the ground), all this energy causes heat to rise up from the floor of the Pacific Ocean by causing the ground to move. This in turn warms the Salish Sea. https://youtu.be/SqSX1MjmtqU Puget Sound is typically warmer than the Pacific Ocean off the shores of Washington. It is heated by solar energy and a more stagnated current. The Pacific Ocean off the shore of Washington and Oregon is quite cold right now, as measured by USCG and merchant marine shipping. That's where I have a scientific mind. I can observe tendencies. Such as the more Native Americans around the Salish Sea dance, the warmer it gets. See? That is cause and effect. The link is to the USGS search engine for earthquakes in the last 20 years. I had to limit it to magnitude 4.5 and greater. With a magnitude 2.5 or greater, there have been over 90,000 earthquakes. This is caused by Native Americans around the Salish Sea dancing to show their love for the Great Spirit, ie., Gaia. The 2nd link will be an increase in magnitude because if your pc doesn't have the power necessary, it will not be able to show the earthquakes. This is because the number of earthquakes is 3,751. As for me, I have SSD and a graphics card. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22feed%22%3A%221586288941425%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B41.867%2C-184.922%5D%2C%5B71.896%2C-113.203%5D%5D%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Afalse%2C%22search%22%3A%7B%22id%22%3A%221586288941425%22%2C%22name%22%3A%22Search%20Results%22%2C%22isSearch%22%3Atrue%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22starttime%22%3A%222000-03-31%2000%3A00%3A00%22%2C%22endtime%22%3A%222020-04-07%2023%3A59%3A59%22%2C%22maxlatitude%22%3A71.896%2C%22minlatitude%22%3A41.867%2C%22maxlongitude%22%3A-113.203%2C%22minlongitude%22%3A-184.922%2C%22minmagnitude%22%3A4.5%2C%22orderby%22%3A%22time%22%7D%7D%7D At a magnitude 6.0 or greater, it's still 140. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22feed%22%3A%221586289132315%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B41.867%2C-184.922%5D%2C%5B71.896%2C-113.203%5D%5D%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Afalse%2C%22search%22%3A%7B%22id%22%3A%221586289132315%22%2C%22name%22%3A%22Search%20Results%22%2C%22isSearch%22%3Atrue%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22starttime%22%3A%222000-03-31%2000%3A00%3A00%22%2C%22endtime%22%3A%222020-04-07%2023%3A59%3A59%22%2C%22maxlatitude%22%3A71.896%2C%22minlatitude%22%3A41.867%2C%22maxlongitude%22%3A-113.203%2C%22minlongitude%22%3A-184.922%2C%22minmagnitude%22%3A6%2C%22orderby%22%3A%22time%22%7D%7D%7D
07-04-2020 22:58
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	And earthquakes 6.0 magnitude or greater around Australia in the last 20 years. Had to limit the number of earthquakes yet again. That's because with that magnitude, there's only been 1,002. With a magnitude 4.5 or greater over the last 20 years, 40,180 earthquakes. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22feed%22%3A%221586289438140%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B-51.179%2C-277.734%5D%2C%5B6.315%2C-189.844%5D%5D%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Afalse%2C%22search%22%3A%7B%22id%22%3A%221586289438140%22%2C%22name%22%3A%22Search%20Results%22%2C%22isSearch%22%3Atrue%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22starttime%22%3A%222000-03-31%2000%3A00%3A00%22%2C%22endtime%22%3A%222020-04-07%2023%3A59%3A59%22%2C%22maxlatitude%22%3A6.315%2C%22minlatitude%22%3A-51.179%2C%22maxlongitude%22%3A-189.844%2C%22minlongitude%22%3A-277.734%2C%22minmagnitude%22%3A6%2C%22orderby%22%3A%22time%22%7D%7D%7D Edited on 07-04-2020 23:00
08-04-2020 16:55
IBdaMann★★★★★ (12963)	GasGuzzler wrote:This could cause airliners to literally be ripped apart mid air. Kind of why Mitch McConell doesn't support fixing the ozone. Couldn't we just fix the ozone once and for all with a carbon-neutral policy applied to athletics? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :sigh* Not the "raw data" crap.* - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
08-04-2020 17:30
GasGuzzler ★★★★★ (2608)	IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:This could cause airliners to literally be ripped apart mid air. Kind of why Mitch McConell doesn't support fixing the ozone. Couldn't we just fix the ozone once and for all with a carbon-neutral policy applied to athletics? . I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. Computer science made this page possible, whether you do not believe in science or not.- Swan

09-04-2020 00:21
IBdaMann★★★★★ (12963)	GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :sigh* Not the "raw data" crap.* - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-04-2020 17:47
GasGuzzler ★★★★★ (2608)	IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . You're killing me! I'm just not sold yet. Coronaflu can't penetrate ozone. Without the hole, it wouldn't arrive from Venus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas It has EVERYTHING to do with ozone! Computer science made this page possible, whether you do not believe in science or not.- Swan Edited on 09-04-2020 18:01
09-04-2020 21:18
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	GasGuzzler wrote: IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . You're killing me! I'm just not sold yet. Coronaflu can't penetrate ozone. Without the hole, it wouldn't arrive from Venus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas It has EVERYTHING to do with ozone! Your mother said the same thing. Without a hole, nothing could penetrate her Oh-zone. I forgot, she didn't enjoy it. There was no Oh-zone, just, did u stick it in and did u feel anything? And now there is u. No Oh-zone required. Just a limp body like your mother. Thank you for clarifying this. Seed is spread, life happens or it doesn't. Like a pathogen (Covid 19), it doesn't need willing donors.
09-04-2020 21:20
GasGuzzler ★★★★★ (2608)	James___ wrote: GasGuzzler wrote: IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . You're killing me! I'm just not sold yet. Coronaflu can't penetrate ozone. Without the hole, it wouldn't arrive from Venus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas It has EVERYTHING to do with ozone! Your mother said the same thing. Without a hole, nothing could penetrate her Oh-zone. I forgot, she didn't enjoy it. There was no Oh-zone, just, did u stick it in and did u feel anything? And now there is u. No Oh-zone required. Just a limp body like your mother. Thank you for clarifying this. Seed is spread, life happens or it doesn't. Like a pathogen (Covid 19), it doesn't need willing donors. Dude, I was hatched. That's why I'm always in a fowl mood. Computer science made this page possible, whether you do not believe in science or not.- Swan
09-04-2020 21:23
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	GasGuzzler wrote: James___ wrote: GasGuzzler wrote: IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . You're killing me! I'm just not sold yet. Coronaflu can't penetrate ozone. Without the hole, it wouldn't arrive from Venus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas It has EVERYTHING to do with ozone! Your mother said the same thing. Without a hole, nothing could penetrate her Oh-zone. I forgot, she didn't enjoy it. There was no Oh-zone, just, did u stick it in and did u feel anything? And now there is u. No Oh-zone required. Just a limp body like your mother. Thank you for clarifying this. Seed is spread, life happens or it doesn't. Like a pathogen (Covid 19), it doesn't need willing donors. Dude, I was hatched. That's why I'm always in a fowl mood. I could never say that about my own mother. What would keep me from saying the same things about my wife? After all, what does that make my own children? Just a yoke?
10-04-2020 04:25
HarveyH55★★★★★ (4432)	James___ wrote: GasGuzzler wrote: James___ wrote: GasGuzzler wrote: IBdaMann wrote: GasGuzzler wrote:I'm not grasping your line of thinking. Why athletics? I'm looking for carbon neutral Covid. COVID-19 doesn't affect the ozone; it causes Global Warming. Here is a REPEATABLE demonstration that provides incontrovertible PROOF: Take an average adult with no shirt in cool room and apply a strong dose of the coronaflu. You can see with an infrared thermometer that the man's body temperature increases, even if he eats sixteen pizzas. This is why we can be assured that coronaflu comes from Venus ... and the Venera data corroborates that completely. I'm sure you don't need me to explain why the surface of Venus, and now of earth, would be so much colder without the coronaflu. It has nothing to do with the ozone. . You're killing me! I'm just not sold yet. Coronaflu can't penetrate ozone. Without the hole, it wouldn't arrive from Venus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas It has EVERYTHING to do with ozone! Your mother said the same thing. Without a hole, nothing could penetrate her Oh-zone. I forgot, she didn't enjoy it. There was no Oh-zone, just, did u stick it in and did u feel anything? And now there is u. No Oh-zone required. Just a limp body like your mother. Thank you for clarifying this. Seed is spread, life happens or it doesn't. Like a pathogen (Covid 19), it doesn't need willing donors. Dude, I was hatched. That's why I'm always in a fowl mood. I could never say that about my own mother. What would keep me from saying the same things about my wife? After all, what does that make my own children? Just a yoke? I thought America would allow you to have a family...
10-04-2020 06:48
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	HarveyH55 wrote: I thought America would allow you to have a family... You know they haven't and that's okay. I mean if guys liked having a family in the US, they would've told me to join the party. Instead they only complained about having one. Ever wonder why people who don't want a family made it a priority to have one? Simple answer really. It came with responsibility they didn't expect
14-10-2021 22:12
Leitwolf ★☆☆☆☆ (117)	Nuremberg temperature spread, 1951-2020 Attached image:
14-10-2021 22:30
IBdaMann★★★★★ (12963)	Leitwolf wrote:Nuremberg temperature spread, 1951-2020 Leitwolf, help me understand your chart. 1. What are the axes values? 2. Where can I view the raw data? 3. What temperature significance does Nuremberg have? 4. How was the volume of Nuremberg defined? Thanks. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :sigh* Not the "raw data" crap.* - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
17-10-2021 23:50
Leitwolf ★☆☆☆☆ (117)	Potsdam tminmax Attached image: Edited on 17-10-2021 23:51

18-10-2021 01:22
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	Leitwolf wrote: Potsdam tminmax What would be interesting is to see the average surface temperature of the Gulf Stream and its average velocity. We do know it's slowing but the heat coming from it might not be as much equatorial heat as it could be releasing heat content it has stored. This would also increase cloud cover.
18-10-2021 01:45
duncan61 ★★★★★ (2003)	Yesterday the girls bought a soda stream and its great.The sugar free sunkist tastes just like the stuff I buy in cans
18-10-2021 10:09
HarveyH55★★★★★ (4432)	duncan61 wrote: Yesterday the girls bought a soda stream and its great.The sugar free sunkist tastes just like the stuff I buy in cans Saw this the other day... https://hackaday.com/2021/10/14/hack-your-sodastream-with-a-giant-co2-canister/ The comments are fear mongering amusing as well... The actual project is here... https://www.instructables.com/Ultimate-SodaStream-Mod-for-Endless-Seltzer/ Don't think I'd go with the giant forever tank, but would definitely want an upgrade.
18-10-2021 12:10
duncan61 ★★★★★ (2003)	On special the cans I buy are $2/L.Rolling your own is about $1.I would not be using industrial grade welding CO2
18-10-2021 18:54
HarveyH55★★★★★ (4432)	duncan61 wrote: On special the cans I buy are $2/L.Rolling your own is about $1.I would not be using industrial grade welding CO2 There are a lot of food-grade options, and smaller tanks. There isn't likely a huge difference on how they get filled. Did enough factory work in my younger years to know the product doesn't change, just the label... A place filling food-grade CO2 tanks, would be more than fine, filling welding tanks as well. Better grade product, than needed, or required. The cost would be significantly cheaper, to have dedicated industrial grade CO2 filling. It's the same product, just looser requirements. You sell a whole lot more product, if you can fill any tank. I'd certainly go with a food-grade tank, but don't think I'd be too picky about were I got it filled. Sort of silly to get a huge tank anyway. Just thought it an idea to work from, if the cartridges for SodaStream don't last. The project is over engineered anyway, with the electronics. Simple pressure gauge on a regulator works well enough for most everyone else.
18-10-2021 21:56
Into the Night★★★★★ (19753)	Leitwolf wrote: Potsdam tminmax This sort of thing reminds me of someone that only like to post charts of random numbers and not explain any of them. They would build whole threads posting such charts to himself. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
18-10-2021 21:58
Into the Night★★★★★ (19753)	James___ wrote: Leitwolf wrote: Potsdam tminmax What would be interesting is to see the average surface temperature of the Gulf Stream and its average velocity. We do know it's slowing but the heat coming from it might not be as much equatorial heat as it could be releasing heat content it has stored. This would also increase cloud cover. Not possible. The temperature of the Gulf Stream is unknown. The velocity of the Gulf Stream is unknown. Temperature and velocity changes at every point in the Gulf Stream, you see. You do not know it's slowing. There is also no reason for it to be slowing. Earth is still heated unevenly by the Sun. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
18-10-2021 23:25
James___ ★★★★★ (5513)	Into the Night wrote: James___ wrote: Leitwolf wrote: Potsdam tminmax What would be interesting is to see the average surface temperature of the Gulf Stream and its average velocity. We do know it's slowing but the heat coming from it might not be as much equatorial heat as it could be releasing heat content it has stored. This would also increase cloud cover. Not possible. The temperature of the Gulf Stream is unknown. The velocity of the Gulf Stream is unknown. Temperature and velocity changes at every point in the Gulf Stream, you see. You do not know it's slowing. There is also no reason for it to be slowing. Earth is still heated unevenly by the Sun. When you "come down", we can talk.

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