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Experts reveal that clouds have moderated warming triggered by climate change


Experts reveal that clouds have moderated warming triggered by climate change27-03-2019 17:49
Tai Hai Chen
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https://phys.org/news/2019-03-experts-reveal-clouds-moderated-triggered.html
27-03-2019 23:02
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-experts-reveal-clouds-moderated-triggered.html

It looks like a bunch of European con artists agreed to write a "study" in return for grant money. The con artists produce the paper with the predetermined conclusions and the con artists get to be called "experts" ... now with extra money in their pockets.


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Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

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If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

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Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
27-03-2019 23:56
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Tai Hai Chen wrote:
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-experts-reveal-clouds-moderated-triggered.html

It looks like a bunch of European con artists agreed to write a "study" in return for grant money. The con artists produce the paper with the predetermined conclusions and the con artists get to be called "experts" ... now with extra money in their pockets.


Nothing like the predetermined conclusion that is core of any religion.


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28-03-2019 01:34
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Into the Night wrote: Nothing like the predetermined conclusion that is core of any religion.

If I predetermine that I will snack on some lasagna before I go to bed, ... I can kind of call that a religion, right? Especially if I have fervent faith that it will be so worth other sacrifices I might have to make?


A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
06-11-2019 15:43
Harry CProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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They're going to have to do a lot more explaining about how a tree ring tells them historical cloud data. I don't buy that.

And if true, which I doubt, it renders current climate models obsolete, which they were already.

The whole deal smells like an obvious attempt to lay out a trail of sound bites for them to reconcile the fact that temperature trends haven't followed the projection.
06-11-2019 17:02
James___
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Harry C wrote:
They're going to have to do a lot more explaining about how a tree ring tells them historical cloud data. I don't buy that.

And if true, which I doubt, it renders current climate models obsolete, which they were already.

The whole deal smells like an obvious attempt to lay out a trail of sound bites for them to reconcile the fact that temperature trends haven't followed the projection.



The primary issue with the climate models of today is that they don't understand natural climate variation. That should be the baseline for determining whether or not there is AGW and if so, what is the difference?
With the tree rings in Scandinavia, where the North Atlantic Current (Gulf Stream) enters the Arctic Sea, it is warming for some reason. Deep sea faults would be a considetion.
If you've have ever lived in Florida you know about humiture. While the north of Scandinavia is cooler, the heat is in the clouds.
An extreme cloud event happened at the end of the last ice age. A meteor/asteroid strike caused about 1/3 of the Earth's biomass to burn. The resulting cloud cover extended the ice age.

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-extraterrestrial-impact-trigger-extinction-ice-age.html
06-11-2019 17:59
keepit
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The thing with the earth's natural climate variations is that the earth is naturally cooling at a very slow rate (about 6 degrees C. every 100,000 years), but the anthropogenic CO2 is causing the earth to warm much faster than that - meaning it is warming faster than it would be cooling without anthropogenic CO2.
I bet someone is going to misinterpret what i just said.
Edited on 06-11-2019 18:01
06-11-2019 21:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote: Nothing like the predetermined conclusion that is core of any religion.

If I predetermine that I will snack on some lasagna before I go to bed, ... I can kind of call that a religion, right? Especially if I have fervent faith that it will be so worth other sacrifices I might have to make?


I suppose you could!



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06-11-2019 21:34
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keepit wrote:
The thing with the earth's natural climate variations is that the earth is naturally cooling at a very slow rate (about 6 degrees C. every 100,000 years), but the anthropogenic CO2 is causing the earth to warm much faster than that - meaning it is warming faster than it would be cooling without anthropogenic CO2.
I bet someone is going to misinterpret what i just said.


Argument from randU fallacy. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.


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06-11-2019 21:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
The thing with the earth's natural climate variations is that the earth is naturally cooling at a very slow rate (about 6 degrees C. every 100,000 years), but the anthropogenic CO2 is causing the earth to warm much faster than that - meaning it is warming faster than it would be cooling without anthropogenic CO2.
I bet someone is going to misinterpret what i just said.

Climate does not vary. It is not a quantitative value and is not made up of any quantitative values.

A desert climate is always a desert climate. A tropical climate is always a tropical climate.


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Edited on 06-11-2019 21:35
06-11-2019 23:54
James___
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IBdaMann wrote:
Into the Night wrote: Nothing like the predetermined conclusion that is core of any religion.

If I predetermine that I will snack on some lasagna before I go to bed, ... I can kind of call that a religion, right? Especially if I have fervent faith that it will be so worth other sacrifices I might have to make?



OK Garfield, we all know that life is lasagna.




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