Clouds

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

Swan wrote:Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

Swan wrote: On the other hand most brits like you while not technically retarded are of very low IQ.

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

Swan wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

It is not necessarily the case that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones. In the winter, sometimes clouds are blown in by warm air currents.

The point is that clouds exist in warming weather conditions just as clouds exist in cooling weather conditions. Clouds are a dependent variable, not an independent variable, which means that you can't point to clouds for a temperature determination.

Swan wrote: On the other hand most brits like you while not technically retarded are of very low IQ.

This was a good line, but when refering to Brits, you should mention the lack of proper French-speaking proficiency.

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Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

It is not necessarily the case that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones. In the winter, sometimes clouds are blown in by warm air currents.

The point is that clouds exist in warming weather conditions just as clouds exist in cooling weather conditions. Clouds are a dependent variable, not an independent variable, which means that you can't point to clouds for a temperature determination.

Swan wrote: On the other hand most brits like you while not technically retarded are of very low IQ.

This was a good line, but when refering to Brits, you should mention the lack of proper French-speaking proficiency.

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Actually in any individual weather front with clouds and full sun the temperature will be higher in full sun than in cloud cover.

Swan wrote:
At night the clouds have no effect on temp. Pretty logical

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

It is not necessarily the case that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones. In the winter, sometimes clouds are blown in by warm air currents.

The point is that clouds exist in warming weather conditions just as clouds exist in cooling weather conditions. Clouds are a dependent variable, not an independent variable, which means that you can't point to clouds for a temperature determination.

Swan wrote: On the other hand most brits like you while not technically retarded are of very low IQ.

This was a good line, but when refering to Brits, you should mention the lack of proper French-speaking proficiency.

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Actually in any individual weather front with clouds and full sun the temperature will be higher in full sun than in cloud cover.

No, it won't necessarily.

Swan wrote:
At night the clouds have no effect on temp. Pretty logical

No gas, vapor, or cloud can create energy out of nothing, nor destroy energy into nothing.

Swan wrote:Actually in any individual weather front with clouds and full sun

Swan wrote:the temperature will be higher in full sun than in cloud cover.

Swan wrote: At night the clouds have no effect on temp.

duncan61 wrote:During Summer there are clear nights with no clouds and the temperature range between night and day can be 25.C Lately we have had cloud cover and the temperature range between night and day is only a few degrees.How does this work.How do clouds slow the flow of energy in and out?Is it just my imagination?

Spongy Iris wrote:As IBDM knows, clouds don't trap heat, they block cold

Must be why, every time clouds roll in, we get a higher low.

Xadoman wrote:I only commented about the cloud thing because some say here that they cause warmer weather. My observations considering clouds have been as already said controversial. In the the winter with a clear sky we have had the coldest nights when temperatures could drop to even -35 degrees celsius. Usually, when there are a lot of clouds, the weather is much more milder.

Spongy Iris wrote:There are no clouds in the forecast until Thursday, at which point the forecasted lows are back in the 50s.

Gee it's as if the clouds provide insulation against the cold.

Spongy Iris wrote:It often gets cold enough to snow, but only when there are no clouds. It never snows though, because when clouds roll in, it gets too warm.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:And, evaporation has a cooling effect... That's why people sweat. ...

It's warmer when it's humid Harvey. Clouds make it warmer believe it or not.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:Only a full-blown retard would need 61 years to figure out that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones.

It is not necessarily the case that cloudy days are cooler than sunny ones. In the winter, sometimes clouds are blown in by warm air currents.

The point is that clouds exist in warming weather conditions just as clouds exist in cooling weather conditions. Clouds are a dependent variable, not an independent variable, which means that you can't point to clouds for a temperature determination.

Swan wrote: On the other hand most brits like you while not technically retarded are of very low IQ.

This was a good line, but when refering to Brits, you should mention the lack of proper French-speaking proficiency.

.

Actually in any individual weather front with clouds and full sun the temperature will be higher in full sun than in cloud cover.

No, it won't necessarily.

Swan wrote:
At night the clouds have no effect on temp. Pretty logical

No gas, vapor, or cloud can create energy out of nothing, nor destroy energy into nothing.

OKEEDOKEE on your planet it is cooler in the full sun than shade.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Give the shrink a call now

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

duncan61 wrote:I do not agree with any of you.

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

Yes you can, I do it all the time. Put some pipe in a bucket of water and heat up the part out the water then take it out the water and see how quick it heats with the same blow lamp.

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

All insulations trap heat.

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

Yes you can, I do it all the time.

duncan61 wrote:
Put some pipe in a bucket of water and heat up the part out the water then take it out the water and see how quick it heats with the same blow lamp.

duncan61 wrote:
You are the most full of crap person I have ever encountered.

duncan61 wrote:
Have you ever visited a planet called Earth. Have you ever insulated any thing!

duncan61 wrote:
You have made me angry. A glass of wine has calmed me down

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

All insulations trap heat. So get your mental disease treated

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

All insulations trap heat. So get your mental disease treated

Insulation does not trap heat. It is not possible to trap heat.

GasGuzzler wrote:Again, we have an opportunity here to really throw the mud in his face. I know there must be a perfect insulator, but I fail to recall what that is. If you could help us out here, we'd all be forever grateful. Into the Night will be so embarrassed! It's going to be HUGE!

Thanks in advance.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I do not agree with any of you. The water vapour and clouds are slowing the energy flow keeping it warmer. Read my post again Swann

It is not possible to trap or slow heat.

All insulations trap heat. So get your mental disease treated

Insulation does not trap heat. It is not possible to trap heat.

Swan, we all know that Into the Night is just a whacko in his own little dream world. Everyone knows that heat can be trapped, it just takes a perfect insulator. Duh?

GasGuzzler wrote:
Again, we have an opportunity here to really throw the mud in his face. I know there must be a perfect insulator, but I fail to recall what that is.

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
You have made me angry. A glass of wine has calmed me down

You feel that wine solves your problems???????!? You ARE in trouble!

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

This is a bogus argument.

Clouds are the RESULT of weather conditions, NOT THE CAUSE. Weather conditions cause clouds, not the other way around. Being warm enough and being cold enough causes clouds for different reasons. Pointing to clouds is insufficient to know whether there are conditions making it "warmer" or conditions making it "colder.".

As you "notice" things, you should make it a point to notice that clouds form in the hottest environments and in the coldest environments., so when you decide to notice "one" particular thing, ask yourself if you aren't willfully turning a blind eye to corresponding opposite occurrences.

This is about the twelfth time that this topic has arisen on this site, and is a staple topic amongst warmizombies because it allows them to deny whichever particular cases they wish and only "notice" what they desperately need to be the case.

So your task is to venture forth and notice all the counterexamples involving clouds that occur as they occur.. Don't be a tmiddles and deny the daytime side of the moon.

duncan61 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

This is a bogus argument.

Clouds are the RESULT of weather conditions, NOT THE CAUSE. Weather conditions cause clouds, not the other way around. Being warm enough and being cold enough causes clouds for different reasons. Pointing to clouds is insufficient to know whether there are conditions making it "warmer" or conditions making it "colder.".

As you "notice" things, you should make it a point to notice that clouds form in the hottest environments and in the coldest environments., so when you decide to notice "one" particular thing, ask yourself if you aren't willfully turning a blind eye to corresponding opposite occurrences.

This is about the twelfth time that this topic has arisen on this site, and is a staple topic amongst warmizombies because it allows them to deny whichever particular cases they wish and only "notice" what they desperately need to be the case.

So your task is to venture forth and notice all the counterexamples involving clouds that occur as they occur.. Don't be a tmiddles and deny the daytime side of the moon.

I have been reading up on the work of Joseph Fourier. It explains to me why wet days in winter are warmer than clear skies rather nicely.

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
You have made me angry. A glass of wine has calmed me down

You feel that wine solves your problems???????!? You ARE in trouble!

This comment gives me an insight to your mindset. I know I can control the flow of thermal energy and do it every time I weld stuff.

duncan61 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

This is a bogus argument.

Clouds are the RESULT of weather conditions, NOT THE CAUSE. Weather conditions cause clouds, not the other way around. Being warm enough and being cold enough causes clouds for different reasons. Pointing to clouds is insufficient to know whether there are conditions making it "warmer" or conditions making it "colder.".

As you "notice" things, you should make it a point to notice that clouds form in the hottest environments and in the coldest environments., so when you decide to notice "one" particular thing, ask yourself if you aren't willfully turning a blind eye to corresponding opposite occurrences.

This is about the twelfth time that this topic has arisen on this site, and is a staple topic amongst warmizombies because it allows them to deny whichever particular cases they wish and only "notice" what they desperately need to be the case.

So your task is to venture forth and notice all the counterexamples involving clouds that occur as they occur.. Don't be a tmiddles and deny the daytime side of the moon.

I have been reading up on the work of Joseph Fourier. It explains to me why wet days in winter are warmer than clear skies rather nicely.

Swan wrote:

duncan61 wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
I have noticed this time of year that if we have clear skies the days are nice and warm and get up around 22-25 C. but the night time drops to 5-7 C. When it is cloudy and overcast the maximum is around 17-19 C. however the night time is around 10-12 C. Is this an example of water vapour keeping the air warmer?

This is a bogus argument.

Clouds are the RESULT of weather conditions, NOT THE CAUSE. Weather conditions cause clouds, not the other way around. Being warm enough and being cold enough causes clouds for different reasons. Pointing to clouds is insufficient to know whether there are conditions making it "warmer" or conditions making it "colder.".

As you "notice" things, you should make it a point to notice that clouds form in the hottest environments and in the coldest environments., so when you decide to notice "one" particular thing, ask yourself if you aren't willfully turning a blind eye to corresponding opposite occurrences.

This is about the twelfth time that this topic has arisen on this site, and is a staple topic amongst warmizombies because it allows them to deny whichever particular cases they wish and only "notice" what they desperately need to be the case.

So your task is to venture forth and notice all the counterexamples involving clouds that occur as they occur.. Don't be a tmiddles and deny the daytime side of the moon.

I have been reading up on the work of Joseph Fourier. It explains to me why wet days in winter are warmer than clear skies rather nicely.

And this has what to do with climate change?

Well nothing actually, however your deluded mind made a connection that was not even there.

So keep on babbling kiddy. Can you tell us again how you figured out that it is warmer in the sun than in the shade?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Genius, pure genius

duncan61 wrote:I have been reading up on the work of Joseph Fourier. It explains to me why wet days in winter are warmer than clear skies rather nicely.

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
You have made me angry. A glass of wine has calmed me down

You feel that wine solves your problems???????!? You ARE in trouble!

This comment gives me an insight to your mindset. I know I can control the flow of thermal energy and do it every time I weld stuff.

Welding does not trap heat.

duncan61 wrote:You can control heat.

duncan61 wrote:In the 1820s, Fourier calculated that an object the size of the Earth, and at its distance from the Sun, should be considerably colder than the planet actually is if warmed by only the effects of incoming solar radiation.

duncan61 wrote:He examined various possible sources of the additional observed heat in articles published in 1824[13] and 1827.[14]

duncan61 wrote: While he ultimately suggested that interstellar radiation might be responsible for a large portion of the additional warmth, Fourier's consideration of the possibility that the Earth's atmosphere might act as an insulator of some kind is widely recognized as the first proposal of what is now known as the greenhouse effect.

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
You have made me angry. A glass of wine has calmed me down

You feel that wine solves your problems???????!? You ARE in trouble!

This comment gives me an insight to your mindset. I know I can control the flow of thermal energy and do it every time I weld stuff.

Welding does not trap heat.

Never said it did.

duncan61 wrote:
My engineer buddy repaired truck steering boxes that could not be replaced and he would replace all the balls and reweld the cap on in 4 places. After each weld he would cool the material with a wet rag. If he welded all 4 spots without cooling each time it might bind up and be ruined. he controlled the flow of thermal energy by quenching. You can control heat.

duncan61 wrote:
Swann the loony wrote,
And this has what to do with climate change?

Well nothing actually, however your deluded mind made a connection that was not even there.

So keep on babbling kiddy. Can you tell us again how you figured out that it is warmer in the sun than in the shade?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Genius, pure genius

Never did.I have observed that overcast days tend to stay warmer at night. Sunny days are warmer in the middle of the day but cool rapidly once the sun sets. Fourier discovered water vapour in the air retains energy. An early mention of the greenhouse effect. I do not believe mankind is changing the climate at all. Not even a weeny bit

duncan61 wrote:
In the 1820s, Fourier calculated that an object the size of the Earth, and at its distance from the Sun, should be considerably colder than the planet actually is if warmed by only the effects of incoming solar radiation. He examined various possible sources of the additional observed heat in articles published in 1824[13] and 1827.[14] While he ultimately suggested that interstellar radiation might be responsible for a large portion of the additional warmth, Fourier's consideration of the possibility that the Earth's atmosphere might act as an insulator of some kind is widely recognized as the first proposal of what is now known as the greenhouse effect.