US report contradicts Trump team: Warming mostly man-made

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner gazzzed & guzzzling" guffed:You can lead an ass to the water.....

GasGuzzler wrote: You can lead an ass to the water.....

Tim the plumber wrote:
^ The bit about needing to go and learn stuff outside the class is a very good idea untill you realise that it means that those who pay for extra tuition will get the A grade.

The USA is a very class based society.

GasGuzzler wrote:

GreenMan wrote: The Dumbing Down of America at the hands of the Republican Party is going to backfire bad on all of us. And you guys are so gutless that you will just try to blame Obama.

Funny you say this. I take it you're older and have no first hand experience with the current education system. I'll fill you in.

I have a sophomore in high school. He came home complaining about his school yesterday. "Dad, I'm going to be so unprepared for college. We're not even going to have final exams in our classes. We going to have a "correction day" where we find and fix mistakes on previous assignments in all our classes. They do have final testing in college don't they?"
He went on to say how stupid the standard based grading system is because it's impossible to fail, and almost equally difficult to get an A anymore. To receive an A you must go outside the classroom and do learning of your own to know material that isn't covered in class.

Now, does this sound just a bit like taking from the rich and giving to the poor? And what political party would that associate best with? The libs always want to denigrate the top to somehow bring the bottom up, but how on earth is the student helped by not being allowed to fail? Some of these kids need to fall, and lay there till they pick themselves up. But no no no, it's OK to be a piece of shit, uncle gov is there to pick you up on the wealthy man's dime.

There is SO much wrong with our schools I don't have the time to write the book. One other honorable mention though is lack of discipline. My wife works in the local elementary. They require her to take a course on the proper way to restrain a violent child. After completion of the course, she is then told "do not use any restraint procedure. If there is injury or lawsuit, we will not back you. You will be on your own". If there's a fight, you call the cops. (elementary school!!) If there's a kid going crazy, let him go crazy until he cools down. If he's doing damage, clear the room of the other students and let him do his damage. I'm not joking one bit here! Last year a student did $2500 worth of damage in 10 minutes. Throwing chairs, broken computer, broken window, ceiling tiles, phone wires ripped from a hole he made in the wall.....
You know how they handled that kid???!!!....and from the elementary principal I quote, "OK, next time you start to feel angry, why don't you just leave class and come to my office. You can sit in this nice bean bag chair and you can do your work there. I'll go to WalMart and buy some things to put in a prize box, and if do don't break anything, at the end of each week you can pick out a prize. You're doing so good right now, would you like a piece of candy?" WTF!!!

Believe me when I say the superintendent is no Trump voter.

GreenMan wrote: What Trump is doing to our ability as a nation to understand Climate Change is intentionally dumbing down our government's ability to respond to it.

I hear you Gassy, lol.

But I wasn't talking about the dumbing down of American kids. I was talking about the dumbing down of American Society as a whole, and primarily the adults on Climate Change.

And also the appointments of friends rather than professionals experienced in the fields which they are appointed to, to lead. What Trump is doing to our ability as a nation to understand Climate Change is intentionally dumbing down our government's ability to respond to it.

You are probably a victim of someone's effort to dumb down America, and don't even realize it.

Where did your opinion on Climate Change originate?

Is it because of something that you know for sure?

And one more thing, that I would like to discuss with you, is why are you here, if you do not believe in Global Warming or that it's getting warmer due to Climate Change?

Because it seems to me like it would be easier to not spend a bunch of time arguing with people that do believe in Climate Change.

What do you expect to gain?

Is there some reward down the road that you think will come your way?

So, in the long run, I gain, and so does my audience.

So that makes it worthwhile for me to spend time doing.

When I consider why you would spend time doing it, I can come to no conclusion for why you spend time in here, except to satisfy your desire to belittle others.

It's the perfect place for that, since there are plenty of people who come here seeking knowledge. You think it's cool to harass them about believing in something that you simply ignore.

There is no reward for that, if that is your true intention.

Even the satisfaction you get occasionally, when you really get to fry someone's fanny for something they said that you think is stupid, is only momentary, and is often negated by when someone points out the error in your ways. So it's like a constant emotional roller coaster.

Why don't you just get off the thing,

and go enjoy your life?

You can't change what they are going to do, so you might as well accept it.

Remember that old, old saying about that? Of course you do.
God please grant me the knowledge to change the things that I can change, the strength to endure the things I cannot change. And the wisdom to know the difference.

The reason you can't change what they are going to do about Global Warming, is because it doesn't matter how much you argue in here, or anywhere else. They can't hear you. And even if they could, they would ignore you,

because they work in a world of reality, not emotional fantasy. And they don't care if you make up cute names for them. And they don't care if don't believe them.

They won't be asking your opinion when they impose freaking carbon taxes on every thing.

So might as well let go of the bank, and let the current take you. Just try to keep your head above water, and go with the flow.

Can I gets a Amen on dat?

GasGuzzler wrote: Don't have time to dissect this properly, but I'll answer a few things.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Don't have time to disect this properly, but I'll answer a few things.
GreenMan wrote:

I hear you Gassy, lol.

Nope, took a tums. Good now, thanks.

But I wasn't talking about the dumbing down of American kids. I was talking about the dumbing down of American Society as a whole, and primarily the adults on Climate Change.

The dumbing down started long ago. That why most of our young adults believe this GBBS

And also the appointments of friends rather than professionals experienced in the fields which they are appointed to, to lead. What Trump is doing to our ability as a nation to understand Climate Change is intentionally dumbing down our government's ability to respond to it.

No, Trump isn't buying into the BS. Why would he appoint someone to oppose the things he was elected on. Elections have consequences. "Deal with it". I believe I just quoted the Greenkid.....

You are probably a victim of someone's effort to dumb down America, and don't even realize it.

Nope, went to private school through 8th grade, then flunked out of high school....I wasn't stupid, just hated school, teachers...people in general. Should have had my ass kicked and sent to the military. Would have helped me straighten up.

Where did your opinion on Climate Change originate?

I always felt like it was just a hoax but never looked into it. Then one night a very right wing conservative was on TV and said, "eventually we'll have to deal with this global warming issue. Something will have to be done". What??!!?? So I started digging and found a ton of stuff that looked much like your "model".

Is it because of something that you know for sure?

I know this....I live within 20 miles of where I grew up. I love hot weather. It always seemed to hit 100 degrees at least once per summer when I was a kid. Now days it's more like once every 5 years we crack the century mark, yet fellas like yourself are "warning" me it's getting hotter and we're all gonna die. I'm also a weather nut. Been chasing storms since I could ride a bike....no, never got hit with a hailstone on the head...wore a helmet. Came home with welts and bruises on my back once.

They tell me the weather is getting worse with sever weather. It ain't happening. They tell me the ice caps are melting and the polar bears are drowning, even though they can swim hundreds of miles at a time. They tell me the penguins are dying when they are actually thriving. They tell CO2 is pollution when it's plant food and greenhouses actually raise the levels to ~1000 PPM for optimum growing. A colder world is clearly more deadly than a warmer world. That's not even arguable. Nothing your side says adds up or makes sense. You go off quoting Bible prophecies and then call Jesus Lucifer. Starting to see where I'm coming from? Oh, then there the great bafoon Algore...don't get me started.

And one more thing, that I would like to discuss with you, is why are you here, if you do not believe in Global Warming or that it's getting warmer due to Climate Change?

I come here every day just to see what the Greenkid has thunk up overnight. Dude, I'll give you credit on 2 things...
1. You're not afraid of what you believe. You come right out and say it and don't hide behind anything.
2. If you serious about living off the grid, then you also live as you believe. Also respectable.
HOWEVER, so far I've agreed with you on a goose egg. (that's a zero

) But please, don't ever go away. I do enjoy reading your posts. You are certainly quite a specimen.

Because it seems to me like it would be easier to not spend a bunch of time arguing with people that do believe in Climate Change.

A bunch of people? There's like 4. Litebrain doesn't count.

What do you expect to gain?

Entertainment mostly. I know I'm not changing your mind. You're off to the bunkers.

Is there some reward down the road that you think will come your way?

Only if I work and achieve enough. I will buy my reward. There's really no achievement on a forum.

So, in the long run, I gain, and so does my audience.

Audience of 4?

So that makes it worthwhile for me to spend time doing.

Think you might want to spend a little more time figuring out the logistics of getting your solar panels under the closest bridge.

When I consider why you would spend time doing it, I can come to no conclusion for why you spend time in here, except to satisfy your desire to belittle others.

If you get your feelings hurt by someone on a forrum you've never met....well...grow some skin and "deal with it"....2!

It's the perfect place for that, since there are plenty of people who come here seeking knowledge. You think it's cool to harass them about believing in something that you simply ignore.

Nah, I'd go down to the local bar if I wanted to harass people. More fun in person.

There is no reward for that, if that is your true intention.

Sure there is. When you win the war of wit, the other guy will generally buy you a beer.

Even the satisfaction you get occasionally, when you really get to fry someone's fanny for something they said that you think is stupid, is only momentary, and is often negated by when someone points out the error in your ways. So it's like a constant emotional roller coaster.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'd like to think I'm just a bit more stable than that!

Why don't you just get off the thing,

So you can run your manure spreader unopposed? No way bro!

and go enjoy your life?

I do enjoy life. Heading out to the tree stand when I finish this worthless response. By the way, it's just F ing cold out!! We're running damn near 20 degrees below normal this week. What's up with that??

You can't change what they are going to do, so you might as well accept it.

You mean "If you can't beat, join em"? Ha!

Remember that old, old saying about that? Of course you do.
God please grant me the knowledge to change the things that I can change, the strength to endure the things I cannot change. And the wisdom to know the difference.

Sure, some good wisdom there. God is certainly giving me the strength to endure Greenkid.

The reason you can't change what they are going to do about Global Warming, is because it doesn't matter how much you argue in here, or anywhere else. They can't hear you. And even if they could, they would ignore you,

True, I don't have a big voice, just a reasonable one.

because they work in a world of reality, not emotional fantasy. And they don't care if you make up cute names for them. And they don't care if don't believe them.

OK Greenkid, I won't call you Greenthing anymore. Sorry dude.

They won't be asking your opinion when they impose freaking carbon taxes on every thing.

Sure they will. They ask for my vote and my vote is my opinion. Oh? You mean the Democrats? they're never getting in the oval office again.

So might as well let go of the bank, and let the current take you. Just try to keep your head above water, and go with the flow.

Do you go with the flow? My kid told me one day he was just going with the flow. I said "hey, there 2 things that always go with the flow. Dead fish and raw sewage. Don't go with the flow".

Can I gets a Amen on dat?

No

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener wake-me-up" wiffs: Litesong.... has a remarkable writing style to another on-line Indian. An East Indian.

Greenman wrote:.....because it stands to reason that it must be increasing somewhere, and found that well it is increasing, primarily in the polar regions and places close to them. Then got shouted down by all the Deniers, for trying to use remote, isolated spots in the world to prove global warming, lol.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener tipped the leaky plunger" puffed: The bit about needing to go....outside the (toilet)....

Wake wrote:
You couldn't get 97% of scientists to agree what the color red is.

Wake wrote:
To my way of thinking - an EPA director who has full intentions of dismantling the EPA is one of the greatest things ever. The EPA did a very few good things to begin with. But since that time they have been an increasing load on the American people and added not one good thing.

Wake wrote:
It wasn't a commercial company that turned that Colorado river yellow with heavy metal waste - it was the EPA.

Wake wrote:
We have Mueller investigating Trump when the Russian crimes were with Hillary when Mueller was the director of the FBI? Drain the swamp and that will take the likes of greenboy and litebrain away.

GreenMan wrote:
He thinks that a 4C rise in the global average should equate to a 4C rise in high temps in a day.

GreenMan wrote:
The weather guys developed a new term to explain why it was getting so wicked cold. The weather guys started calling it a "Polar Vortex," you might recall.

GreenMan wrote:
So I do not doubt your recollection of the summer heat. As far as I am concerned, it was as you say. But what you think is proof that it's not getting warmer gradually, isn't really proof of that. And I'm thinking that I looked at the temperature data from your region a while back and concluded that you are correct that the yearly average hasn't even increased there. And in fact, I think we looked at the entire 48 states yearly average, and realized that it hasn't increased either. Then I went looking around the world to see where it has increased, because it stands to reason that it must be increasing somewhere, and found that well it is increasing, primarily in the polar regions and places close to them. Then got shouted down by all the Deniers, for trying to use remote, isolated spots in the world to prove global warming, lol.

GreenMan wrote:
This place is a freaking circus sometimes.

GreenMan wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. And for confirming what I thought. Your opinion started with your "gut feeling," same as mine. Funny how that works out, isn't it. I'm thinking everyone probably has an opinion on this thing that begins as a "gut feeling." From there, we all begin our research to enforce our "gut feeling." Mine is to prepare, your's is to ignore. So you justify ignorance, and I justify preparation.

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. And for confirming what I thought. Your opinion started with your "gut feeling," same as mine. Funny how that works out, isn't it. I'm thinking everyone probably has an opinion on this thing that begins as a "gut feeling." From there, we all begin our research to enforce our "gut feeling." Mine is to prepare, your's is to ignore. So you justify ignorance, and I justify preparation.

So you are "preparing" by what? Building a yurt?

Wake wrote:
Exactly who do you think you're kidding?

Wake wrote:
If you were the age you claim you are you would be dead and gone by the time that "climate change" as described by NASA's phonies were to occur.

Wake wrote:
Nightmare claims that you're trying to be a fascist. Of course that is another of his idiocies.

Wake wrote:
You actually believe that you can form some sort of kind-hearted socialist society.

Wake wrote:
Had you one bit of education you'd know that all socialisms degrade into dictatorships and YOU plainly would not be any sort of top dog.

Wake wrote:
If you even had the sense to READ the claims of the True Believers you'd discover that even the wildest claims are so far off in the future that Guzzler would be dead and gone long before anything of importance were to occur. So your stupid statement about him ignoring these things is only in your imagination.

Wake wrote:
Like your imaginary "days getting hotter" in order to get increasing MGT instead of there just being one or two more hot days than usual.

The satellite data is clear that since 1997 there has been a 0.13 degree C increase in temperature per decade.

Wake wrote:
This is NOT of any particular worry since warm periods come and go.

Wake wrote:
If you are in your 50's and went to live in isolation you would be dead inside of 15 years. Do you think that an increase in MGT of 0.195 degrees C (0.351 degrees F) would effect your life in the northern tier?

Wake wrote:
Exactly why are you so whacked out?

INT wrote:
I'll be brief:
Fascism is a form of socialism. Unlike communism, where the government outright owns all the property and industry, fascism leaves such as privately owned, but then dictates how you can run it, including who you can sell to, how much you can sell, and how much you can charge for it. Violation of these terms is usually brutal. Both fascism and communism arise from the teachings of Karl Marx.

Wake wrote:
You actually believe that you can form some sort of kind-hearted socialist society.

INT wrote:
That's what he believes all right.

Wake wrote:
Had you one bit of education you'd know that all socialisms degrade into dictatorships and YOU plainly would not be any sort of top dog.

INT wrote:Actually, the only way any socialist system can work is through the ESTABLISHMENT of a dictator or oligarchy. Someone has to be the 'guy in charge' of managing the economy.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenman wrote:.....because it stands to reason that it must be increasing somewhere, and found that well it is increasing, primarily in the polar regions and places close to them. Then got shouted down by all the Deniers, for trying to use remote, isolated spots in the world to prove global warming, lol.

Yep Yep, Don't you find it odd that as the Global Warming narrative is losing support, they majikally find "proof" somewhere that no one without an icebreaker ship, a satellite network, or a seaplane can go verify on there own?

You can't see it for yourself, but trust your trusty government. It is happening.....uh, no.

GreenMan wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Greenman wrote:.....because it stands to reason that it must be increasing somewhere, and found that well it is increasing, primarily in the polar regions and places close to them. Then got shouted down by all the Deniers, for trying to use remote, isolated spots in the world to prove global warming, lol.

Yep Yep, Don't you find it odd that as the Global Warming narrative is losing support, they majikally find "proof" somewhere that no one without an icebreaker ship, a satellite network, or a seaplane can go verify on there own?

You can't see it for yourself, but trust your trusty government. It is happening.....uh, no.

Actually, yes, at least I used to trust government sources of information on Global Warming. Though NOAA nor NASA are where I got my opinion from. And not from any other government agency, either. But what they publish does support my opinion. Where we differ is in opinion is whether or not an unattainable goal of limiting the average global temperature to 2C.

Well, that was till now. It seems as though the dumbing down is being focused on NASA in particular and its branching out to other organizations that have been leading the discovery process into Climate Change. So it won't be long before they can't be trusted, because every one that would stand up to the regime will be removed.

So, as far as I am concerned, the only thing I can trust the government for is to get us deeper into shit. Right now, I see it as we got her in 4 wheel drive, hauling ass wide open down the hill into the mud bog, hooting and hollaring as we go barreling into the bottomless pile of shit.

I don't think it's your fault, Gassy, but you gotta fix it.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: No one has to fix....

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. And for confirming what I thought. Your opinion started with your "gut feeling," same as mine. Funny how that works out, isn't it. I'm thinking everyone probably has an opinion on this thing that begins as a "gut feeling." From there, we all begin our research to enforce our "gut feeling." Mine is to prepare, your's is to ignore. So you justify ignorance, and I justify preparation.

So you are "preparing" by what? Building a yurt? Exactly who do you think you're kidding? If you were the age you claim you are you would be dead and gone by the time that "climate change" as described by NASA's phonies were to occur.

Nightmare claims that you're trying to be a fascist. Of course that is another of his idiocies. You actually believe that you can form some sort of kind-hearted socialist society. Had you one bit of education you'd know that all socialisms degrade into dictatorships and YOU plainly would not be any sort of top dog.

If you even had the sense to READ the claims of the True Believers you'd discover that even the wildest claims are so far off in the future that Guzzler would be dead and gone long before anything of importance were to occur. So your stupid statement about him ignoring these things is only in your imagination.

Like your imaginary "days getting hotter" in order to get increasing MGT instead of there just being one or two more hot days than usual.

The satellite data is clear that since 1997 there has been a 0.13 degree C increase in temperature per decade. This is NOT of any particular worry since warm periods come and go.

If you are in your 50's and went to live in isolation you would be dead inside of 15 years. Do you think that an increase in MGT of 0.195 degrees C (0.351 degrees F) would effect your life in the northern tier?

Exactly why are you so whacked out?

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. And for confirming what I thought. Your opinion started with your "gut feeling," same as mine. Funny how that works out, isn't it. I'm thinking everyone probably has an opinion on this thing that begins as a "gut feeling." From there, we all begin our research to enforce our "gut feeling." Mine is to prepare, your's is to ignore. So you justify ignorance, and I justify preparation.

So you are "preparing" by what? Building a yurt? Exactly who do you think you're kidding? If you were the age you claim you are you would be dead and gone by the time that "climate change" as described by NASA's phonies were to occur.

Nightmare claims that you're trying to be a fascist. Of course that is another of his idiocies. You actually believe that you can form some sort of kind-hearted socialist society. Had you one bit of education you'd know that all socialisms degrade into dictatorships and YOU plainly would not be any sort of top dog.

If you even had the sense to READ the claims of the True Believers you'd discover that even the wildest claims are so far off in the future that Guzzler would be dead and gone long before anything of importance were to occur. So your stupid statement about him ignoring these things is only in your imagination.

Like your imaginary "days getting hotter" in order to get increasing MGT instead of there just being one or two more hot days than usual.

The satellite data is clear that since 1997 there has been a 0.13 degree C increase in temperature per decade. This is NOT of any particular worry since warm periods come and go.

If you are in your 50's and went to live in isolation you would be dead inside of 15 years. Do you think that an increase in MGT of 0.195 degrees C (0.351 degrees F) would effect your life in the northern tier?

Exactly why are you so whacked out?

You have a good point, and it's good that you bring it up. Yes, I will be good and dead way before the worst of Climate Change is over. But that doesn't mean that I or anyone else should ignore it, and here's why.

We have to change. We have to eliminate our CO2 Footprint. They are going to make us.

The "they" in that last sentence is the rest of the world. We will eventually have to start making payments for adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Only a fool would ignore that, and wait till the last minute to start making changes, because then he won't be able to afford do. Right now, at least I don't have to worry about paying extra for my electricity and gasoline. So I have a little extra money to spend, that I won't have in 10 years, when I am ready to retire.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: Why does your "model" tell you different Mr. "The only had 39 Climate Scientists sign the Oregon Petition"?

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. And for confirming what I thought. Your opinion started with your "gut feeling," same as mine. Funny how that works out, isn't it. I'm thinking everyone probably has an opinion on this thing that begins as a "gut feeling." From there, we all begin our research to enforce our "gut feeling." Mine is to prepare, your's is to ignore. So you justify ignorance, and I justify preparation.

So you are "preparing" by what? Building a yurt? Exactly who do you think you're kidding? If you were the age you claim you are you would be dead and gone by the time that "climate change" as described by NASA's phonies were to occur.

Nightmare claims that you're trying to be a fascist. Of course that is another of his idiocies. You actually believe that you can form some sort of kind-hearted socialist society. Had you one bit of education you'd know that all socialisms degrade into dictatorships and YOU plainly would not be any sort of top dog.

If you even had the sense to READ the claims of the True Believers you'd discover that even the wildest claims are so far off in the future that Guzzler would be dead and gone long before anything of importance were to occur. So your stupid statement about him ignoring these things is only in your imagination.

Like your imaginary "days getting hotter" in order to get increasing MGT instead of there just being one or two more hot days than usual.

The satellite data is clear that since 1997 there has been a 0.13 degree C increase in temperature per decade. This is NOT of any particular worry since warm periods come and go.

If you are in your 50's and went to live in isolation you would be dead inside of 15 years. Do you think that an increase in MGT of 0.195 degrees C (0.351 degrees F) would effect your life in the northern tier?

Exactly why are you so whacked out?

You have a good point, and it's good that you bring it up. Yes, I will be good and dead way before the worst of Climate Change is over. But that doesn't mean that I or anyone else should ignore it, and here's why.

We have to change. We have to eliminate our CO2 Footprint. They are going to make us.

The "they" in that last sentence is the rest of the world. We will eventually have to start making payments for adding CO2 to the atmosphere. Only a fool would ignore that, and wait till the last minute to start making changes, because then he won't be able to afford do. Right now, at least I don't have to worry about paying extra for my electricity and gasoline. So I have a little extra money to spend, that I won't have in 10 years, when I am ready to retire.

Let me repeat this and correct my previous error:

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Science Advances 08 Nov 2017:
Vol. 3, no. 11, e1600983
DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.1600983

Abstract
"Geological evidence indicates that grounded ice sheets reached sea level at all latitudes during two long-lived Cryogenian (58 and ≥5 My) glaciations. Combined uranium-lead and rhenium-osmium dating suggests that the older (Sturtian) glacial onset and both terminations were globally synchronous. Geochemical data imply that CO2 was 102 PAL (present atmospheric level) at the younger termination, consistent with a global ice cover."

They are saying that in both of the worst ice ages on record the levels of CO2 were 40,000 ppm.

Why does your "model" tell you different Mr. "The only had 39 Climate Scientists sign the Oregon Petition"?

(Atmospheric, Environmental and Earth sciences: 3,805 (Climatology: 39))
YOU think that atmospheric, environmental and earth sciences are incompatible with climatology.

You will do absolutely anything to deny the total hoax of global warming. I'm sorry but you sure try your hardest to look really stupid. Are you like this in real life?

GreenMan wrote: The Oregon Petition proves nothing, except the extremes that some idiots will go to in order to prevent our country from taking action to prevent more CO2 from being produced by us.

And I doubt very seriously that the CO2 level of this planet was ever 40,000 ppm. That is total bull shit. You are total bull shit.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: The initial atmosphere of Planet Earth....

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: The Oregon Petition proves nothing, except the extremes that some idiots will go to in order to prevent our country from taking action to prevent more CO2 from being produced by us.

And I doubt very seriously that the CO2 level of this planet was ever 40,000 ppm. That is total bull shit. You are total bull shit.

Really? You are comical in your ignorance. The initial atmosphere of Planet Earth was 60% N2 and 40% CO2 until plants evolved. Do you understand what that is?

400,000 ppm.

Exactly why is someone with such extreme ignorance of the natural history of this earth putting out comments about it?

To you REAL scientists know nothing and you tell us that 40,000 ppm 5 million years ago during an extreme ice age is bullshit.

I suggest you visit a psychiatrist. But better to use a different one than litebrain.

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: The Oregon Petition proves nothing, except the extremes that some idiots will go to in order to prevent our country from taking action to prevent more CO2 from being produced by us.

And I doubt very seriously that the CO2 level of this planet was ever 40,000 ppm. That is total bull shit. You are total bull shit.

Really? You are comical in your ignorance. The initial atmosphere of Planet Earth was 60% N2 and 40% CO2 until plants evolved. Do you understand what that is?

400,000 ppm.

Exactly why is someone with such extreme ignorance of the natural history of this earth putting out comments about it?

To you REAL scientists know nothing and you tell us that 40,000 ppm 5 million years ago during an extreme ice age is bullshit.

I suggest you visit a psychiatrist. But better to use a different one than litebrain.

You idiot. litesong already pointed out the idiocy of your argument, dumbass. You don't have a clue what the gas makeup of our planet was last year, much less 4.5 billion years ago. 4.51 Billion years ago it was just swirling gases.

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote:

Wake wrote:

GreenMan wrote: The Oregon Petition proves nothing, except the extremes that some idiots will go to in order to prevent our country from taking action to prevent more CO2 from being produced by us.

And I doubt very seriously that the CO2 level of this planet was ever 40,000 ppm. That is total bull shit. You are total bull shit.

Really? You are comical in your ignorance. The initial atmosphere of Planet Earth was 60% N2 and 40% CO2 until plants evolved. Do you understand what that is?

400,000 ppm.

Exactly why is someone with such extreme ignorance of the natural history of this earth putting out comments about it?

To you REAL scientists know nothing and you tell us that 40,000 ppm 5 million years ago during an extreme ice age is bullshit.

I suggest you visit a psychiatrist. But better to use a different one than litebrain.

You idiot. litesong already pointed out the idiocy of your argument, dumbass. You don't have a clue what the gas makeup of our planet was last year, much less 4.5 billion years ago. 4.51 Billion years ago it was just swirling gases.

Here's something from NASA and NOAA simple enough that even you might be able to understand:

https://scijinks.gov/atmosphere-formation/

But then you are purposely stupid because it solves your problems of not being able to answer real questions. Why do you pretend to know anything about paleontology but are totally ignorant of geology which is a hard science?

Wake said
Geochemical data imply that CO2 was 102 PAL (present atmospheric level) at the younger termination, consistent with a global ice cover."

They are saying that in both of the worst ice ages on record the levels of CO2 were 40,000 ppm.

GreenMan wrote: Why not a link to support your statement that there were ice ages at a time when CO2 was 40,000 ppm?

That's what this discussion is about. It's not about whether or not the atmosphere of the earth has changed since the planet formed 4.5 billion years ago.

What a complete dumb ass idiot piece of trash you are. Will you please consider suicide, for the sake of humanity.

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener wake-me-up" wiffed: As I've stated...