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The Prevention of Climate Change Through CO2 Removal


The Prevention of Climate Change Through CO2 Removal21-03-2020 11:42
noah-whitney
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Myself and a team are working on gathering some information on what everyone things about climate change prevention and what us as people are doing to help prevent permanent damage. If anyone is interested, please take a few minutes to complete this quick survey. We are soliciting you with a product or signing you up on an email list without your permission.

It would be a ton of help to us!

Feel free to reach out individually with any questions.

https://forms.gle/pfRFMj9ePma6uVAZ8
21-03-2020 16:20
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noah-whitney wrote:
Myself and a team are working on gathering some information on what everyone things about climate change prevention and what us as people are doing to help prevent permanent damage. If anyone is interested, please take a few minutes to complete this quick survey. We are soliciting you with a product or signing you up on an email list without your permission.

It would be a ton of help to us!

Feel free to reach out individually with any questions.

https://forms.gle/pfRFMj9ePma6uVAZ8

Climate Change cannot damage anything.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
21-03-2020 16:31
Third world guy
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A survey that assumes that climate change is detrimental to the planet will only attract alarmists and alarmed people. Obviously the result will be biased and logarithmically will generate more alarms.

That is precisely what it is about: that's how the 97% hoax came out.


There are three kinds of climate change: that generated by natural factors; that generated by man; and that generated by economic interests.
21-03-2020 16:43
HarveyH55
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noah-whitney wrote:
Myself and a team are working on gathering some information on what everyone things about climate change prevention and what us as people are doing to help prevent permanent damage. If anyone is interested, please take a few minutes to complete this quick survey. We are soliciting you with a product or signing you up on an email list without your permission.

It would be a ton of help to us!

Feel free to reach out individually with any questions.

https://forms.gle/pfRFMj9ePma6uVAZ8


Was that a typo, or unusual honesty on the internet? Most people try to lure others to strange websites, to sell a product. Of course, most every website these days, are datamines, of some form or another. A valid Email address has value to spammers. And, of course, surveys are the most direct way to earn a buck or two.

Since most forums these days, offer a 'poll' option, when starting a thread, and the survey could have been setup easy enough, without having to go to a seperate site, and entrusting our email, this is likely a mining operation.

To spare the hassles... CO2 removal from the atmosphere is highly irresponsible, alarmist, and a threat to all life on this planet. Not to mention, a huge waste of money and resources, better used on more productive projects. CO2 is only a trace gas, which would require a lot of removal devices, to collect any meaningful volume. They would require energy to move air through the devices, likely from the burning of fossil fuels.

CO2 is crucial to all life on the planet. Every living thing is composed of carbon-based molecules. That carbon in our diets, only comes from one source, CO2 in the atmosphere. Plants are the only living thing, that can take in carbon, directly from the environment, CO2. Plants need at least 180 ppm CO2, just to survive. More, to be productive, and provide food for everything else. No plants can survive below 150 ppm, they starve and die, as will everything else. Plants do their best around 800 ppm, more doesn't hurt.

There is nothing in the dire climate change prophecies, that hasn't happened in the past. Many of the apocalyptic signs, general happen, pretty much every so often, and have since recorded history. It's natural, normal, nothing man made about any of it. It's just an alarmist, almost religious belief, that we can actual control and change nature. In ancient times, they had rituals, gods, blood sacrifice to spare the villages from the catastrophes, climate change people want to spend lots of other people's money to control. And will be just as effective, as throwing tender, young, virgins into volcanoes.

Removing CO2, reduces plant's ability to provide food, millions will starve. Well, actually, food has always been an issue for many, and starvation continues to be an issue around the world. Fortunately, burning fossil fuels, has reduce some of the starving and suffering for many. It's not just the added CO2, but better farming technology, and the ability to deliver food where it's desperately needed.
21-03-2020 20:44
noah-whitney
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These are great thoughts! I see that I should be more careful in the way I present the questions. While I have no malicious intentions, posting an external link to a survey can come off as shady. I will be sure to take this all into consideration and make the necessary changes, and also remove all assumptions on climate change.
22-03-2020 03:44
duncan61
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I would like to suggest you do your own research as I have and you will uncover the greatest hoax played on mankind ever.It is complicated and has many facets but as you peel back the claims you will realise the truth.Sea level is not rising the Earths mean average temperature is not rising and the polar caps are not melting.The Earth is greener than the 70s and the oceans are full of fish and crustacea at least where I live in Perth Western Australia.Your intentions are honourable if perhaps missguided.I have responded to the survey you posted
22-03-2020 04:13
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duncan61 wrote:
I would like to suggest you do your own research as I have and you will uncover the greatest hoax played on mankind ever.It is complicated and has many facets but as you peel back the claims you will realise the truth.Sea level is not rising the Earths mean average temperature is not rising and the polar caps are not melting.The Earth is greener than the 70s and the oceans are full of fish and crustacea at least where I live in Perth Western Australia.Your intentions are honourable if perhaps missguided.I have responded to the survey you posted


Now you've done it duncan. Be prepared to be attacked as a "denier," a "conspiracy theorist" and a TROLL! You have committed apostasy and will be forever marked.

noah-whitney does not want "the truth" ... he wants his religion fix and what you wrote won't provide it.


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Sea level varies from place to place in the world - keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
22-03-2020 06:12
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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thank god harvey does not look like a Dong or else he'd be a smart Vietnamese Climate Change Scientist!


now he's just a bandwagon kid who worships mother nature like brando in apocalypse.'the nature, the nature'.


thank god that's not a hippie.




NOW, American Corporate Terrorism ACT heats up the world. very hot. The capitalist greed. interest rates. party-time. gala-time.


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
22-03-2020 06:18
duncan61
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Your a Meanie IBDM.My favorite part of watching for and against debates is the calm logic the against team use and the hysterical preaching of the for team I watched one Scientist throw the papers with the sea level claims in the face of the guy questioning it.Not the way to win a debate losing it and flinging your evidence.Fact.The average Annual temperature variation of all Canadian major cities have shown no increase or decrease since measuring began.If the warming people were right it should have started happening
22-03-2020 07:47
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
Your a Meanie IBDM.My favorite part of watching for and against debates is the calm logic the against team use and the hysterical preaching of the for team I watched one Scientist throw the papers with the sea level claims in the face of the guy questioning it.Not the way to win a debate losing it and flinging your evidence.Fact.The average Annual temperature variation of all Canadian major cities have shown no increase or decrease since measuring began.If the warming people were right it should have started happening



I would give you my opinion but you seem to be looking for entertainment. There's plenty of actual information to be found. You might need to be careful about using terms associated with global warming or climate change. There are a lot of scientists who seem to prefer avoiding getting caught up in the debate.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/climate-change/canadian-centre-climate-services/basics/trends-projections/changes-temperature.html
22-03-2020 08:37
duncan61
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Thanks for weighing in James.This is a debate forum and you open with I dont want to talk about it.I followed the link and it is exactly the type of misinformation that is being seeded in to society

This range represents the median values from a low global emission scenario (Representative Concentration Pathway [RCP] 2.6) to a high global emission scenario (RCP8.5). The data is from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) multimodel ensemble. Learn more about emission scenarios.

The charts I saw and had explained to me last night were from the actual temperature readings taken at all the major cities in Canada which has always been famously seasonal I have relatives who spent there lives there and it is uncanny how the seasons work to the time beat they do.This data set which is real and not a fudged up model shows no rise in temperature anywhere at all.If there are scientists doing funded research but will not share the findings why are we funding them
22-03-2020 17:15
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
Thanks for weighing in James.This is a debate forum and you open with I dont want to talk about it.I followed the link and it is exactly the type of misinformation that is being seeded in to society

This range represents the median values from a low global emission scenario (Representative Concentration Pathway [RCP] 2.6) to a high global emission scenario (RCP8.5). The data is from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) multimodel ensemble. Learn more about emission scenarios.

The charts I saw and had explained to me last night were from the actual temperature readings taken at all the major cities in Canada which has always been famously seasonal I have relatives who spent there lives there and it is uncanny how the seasons work to the time beat they do.This data set which is real and not a fudged up model shows no rise in temperature anywhere at all.If there are scientists doing funded research but will not share the findings why are we funding them



It seems you just want someone to go after. You say that you saw charts and yet where are they? Should I take your word for it? I think people like you are funny. I have previously tried to make you aware of actual science but like most people, all you know is the debate. You can't think outside of it. That's not my problem.

When you read this which is from Australia, something you won't be able to consider is that CO2 levels are higher in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. That won't mean anything to you and I can't think for you.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a015.shtml
Edited on 22-03-2020 17:39
22-03-2020 17:37
Third world guy
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It is clear that you have the wrong place to propose your light survey.

Better or worse, here people reason and do not go away with alarmist feints.


There are three kinds of climate change: that generated by natural factors; that generated by man; and that generated by economic interests.
22-03-2020 18:54
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
Thanks for weighing in James.This is a debate forum and you open with I dont want to talk about it.I followed the link and it is exactly the type of misinformation that is being seeded in to society

This range represents the median values from a low global emission scenario (Representative Concentration Pathway [RCP] 2.6) to a high global emission scenario (RCP8.5). The data is from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) multimodel ensemble. Learn more about emission scenarios.

The charts I saw and had explained to me last night were from the actual temperature readings taken at all the major cities in Canada which has always been famously seasonal I have relatives who spent there lives there and it is uncanny how the seasons work to the time beat they do.This data set which is real and not a fudged up model shows no rise in temperature anywhere at all.If there are scientists doing funded research but will not share the findings why are we funding them



It seems you just want someone to go after. You say that you saw charts and yet where are they? Should I take your word for it? I think people like you are funny. I have previously tried to make you aware of actual science but like most people, all you know is the debate. You can't think outside of it. That's not my problem.

When you read this which is from Australia, something you won't be able to consider is that CO2 levels are higher in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. That won't mean anything to you and I can't think for you.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a015.shtml


It is not possible to measure the CO2 level of a hemisphere (or of the Earth). There are not enough stations, and CO2 is not uniformly distributed in the atmosphere. You are making stuff up, James.


The Parrot Killer
22-03-2020 22:10
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
Thanks for weighing in James.This is a debate forum and you open with I dont want to talk about it.I followed the link and it is exactly the type of misinformation that is being seeded in to society

This range represents the median values from a low global emission scenario (Representative Concentration Pathway [RCP] 2.6) to a high global emission scenario (RCP8.5). The data is from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) multimodel ensemble. Learn more about emission scenarios.

The charts I saw and had explained to me last night were from the actual temperature readings taken at all the major cities in Canada which has always been famously seasonal I have relatives who spent there lives there and it is uncanny how the seasons work to the time beat they do.This data set which is real and not a fudged up model shows no rise in temperature anywhere at all.If there are scientists doing funded research but will not share the findings why are we funding them



It seems you just want someone to go after. You say that you saw charts and yet where are they? Should I take your word for it? I think people like you are funny. I have previously tried to make you aware of actual science but like most people, all you know is the debate. You can't think outside of it. That's not my problem.

When you read this which is from Australia, something you won't be able to consider is that CO2 levels are higher in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. That won't mean anything to you and I can't think for you.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a015.shtml


It is not possible to measure the CO2 level of a hemisphere (or of the Earth). There are not enough stations, and CO2 is not uniformly distributed in the atmosphere. You are making stuff up, James.



For what I was referring to, the difference in the amount of fossil fuels, organic matter, etc. being burned would suggest a difference in CO2 levels between the northern and southern hemispheres.
Also, since there is the Coriolis Effect https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/coriolis-effect/ it's possible that the mixing of atmospheric gasses or gases (both spellings are correct) are limited because of limited air circulation between hemispheres.
Also, there is more land as well as people in the northern hemisphere so there is also more pollution. And I think most countries in the Group of 8 are also in the northern hemisphere.
As you can see, we don't really need to measure CO2 levels to know that there is more of it in the northern hemisphere. And from my perspective, I think that something that is totally cool might be happening but it seems that you're not into geosciences. https://www.americangeosciences.org/critical-issues/faq/what-is-geoscience

Another way of looking at things ITN is that geosciences might be how Gaia makes Gaia known. You know, there is something to be observed so we can understand that it "is".
23-03-2020 03:06
duncan61
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We have an annual run of salmon in Autumn up the west coast to spawn.They are actually a sea perch but are similar to northern salmon in appearance so early settlers called them salmon.If the sea of Perth does not cool down in Autumn they do not come up the coast.They are on the way already and will be in the metro area in a few weeks.I am aware this is not science but it works.The sea temperature of Fremantle is 23 c I am going to monitor it.
23-03-2020 03:07
duncan61
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Regards the warming chart change the calibration to whole degrees instead of 10ths of a degree and have a look
23-03-2020 03:34
James___
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duncan61 wrote:
We have an annual run of salmon in Autumn up the west coast to spawn.They are actually a sea perch but are similar to northern salmon in appearance so early settlers called them salmon.If the sea of Perth does not cool down in Autumn they do not come up the coast.They are on the way already and will be in the metro area in a few weeks.I am aware this is not science but it works.The sea temperature of Fremantle is 23 c I am going to monitor it.



My father said the same things about crab (in Alaska). Of course today we import it (king crab) from Russia because the crab season is too short (in Alaska). He thought it was funny when the stores started buying the crab they threw away. He said they changed it's name to "snow" from tanner because who would buy tanner crab?
My pops monitored it quite well. I hope you'll do the same.

p.s., first crab I ever saw we hauled in from a drop net in a fjord. They don't have fjords in the US, do they have any in Australia? Just trying to find out how much you have in common with Americans.
ie., there is a harbour, food has flavour, etc., right?
Edited on 23-03-2020 03:38
23-03-2020 07:22
duncan61
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No fjords in Australia.The bottom half is temperate and the top third is tropical.The bit in the middle is just very hot and dry.At Mt Augustus a thermometer on a plastic table in the shade hit 63 c if it was out in direct sunlight it may have burst.
23-03-2020 18:05
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
Thanks for weighing in James.This is a debate forum and you open with I dont want to talk about it.I followed the link and it is exactly the type of misinformation that is being seeded in to society

This range represents the median values from a low global emission scenario (Representative Concentration Pathway [RCP] 2.6) to a high global emission scenario (RCP8.5). The data is from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) multimodel ensemble. Learn more about emission scenarios.

The charts I saw and had explained to me last night were from the actual temperature readings taken at all the major cities in Canada which has always been famously seasonal I have relatives who spent there lives there and it is uncanny how the seasons work to the time beat they do.This data set which is real and not a fudged up model shows no rise in temperature anywhere at all.If there are scientists doing funded research but will not share the findings why are we funding them



It seems you just want someone to go after. You say that you saw charts and yet where are they? Should I take your word for it? I think people like you are funny. I have previously tried to make you aware of actual science but like most people, all you know is the debate. You can't think outside of it. That's not my problem.

When you read this which is from Australia, something you won't be able to consider is that CO2 levels are higher in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere. That won't mean anything to you and I can't think for you.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/updates/articles/a015.shtml


It is not possible to measure the CO2 level of a hemisphere (or of the Earth). There are not enough stations, and CO2 is not uniformly distributed in the atmosphere. You are making stuff up, James.



For what I was referring to, the difference in the amount of fossil fuels, organic matter, etc. being burned would suggest a difference in CO2 levels between the northern and southern hemispheres.

CO2 has both man made and natural sources. It is not possible to measure where CO2 comes from.
James___ wrote:
Also, since there is the Coriolis Effect https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/coriolis-effect/ it's possible that the mixing of atmospheric gasses or gases (both spellings are correct) are limited because of limited air circulation between hemispheres.

True for both air and water, but not due to Coriolis effect. It is due to temperature differences.
James___ wrote:
Also, there is more land as well as people in the northern hemisphere so there is also more pollution.

Define 'pollution'.
James___ wrote:
And I think most countries in the Group of 8 are also in the northern hemisphere.

Irrelevant.
James___ wrote:
As you can see, we don't really need to measure CO2 levels to know that there is more of it in the northern hemisphere.

You are guessing.
James___ wrote:
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Another way of looking at things ITN is that geosciences might be how Gaia makes Gaia known. You know, there is something to be observed so we can understand that it "is".


Void argument fallacy.


The Parrot Killer
23-03-2020 18:07
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
We have an annual run of salmon in Autumn up the west coast to spawn.They are actually a sea perch but are similar to northern salmon in appearance so early settlers called them salmon.If the sea of Perth does not cool down in Autumn they do not come up the coast.They are on the way already and will be in the metro area in a few weeks.I am aware this is not science but it works.The sea temperature of Fremantle is 23 c I am going to monitor it.



My father said the same things about crab (in Alaska). Of course today we import it (king crab) from Russia because the crab season is too short (in Alaska). He thought it was funny when the stores started buying the crab they threw away. He said they changed it's name to "snow" from tanner because who would buy tanner crab?
My pops monitored it quite well. I hope you'll do the same.

p.s., first crab I ever saw we hauled in from a drop net in a fjord. They don't have fjords in the US, do they have any in Australia? Just trying to find out how much you have in common with Americans.
ie., there is a harbour, food has flavour, etc., right?


We catch our own crab. That fleet is based right here in Seattle. They do most of the crabbing in the Bering Sea, not in fjords.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 23-03-2020 18:09
24-03-2020 04:23
James___
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Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
We have an annual run of salmon in Autumn up the west coast to spawn.They are actually a sea perch but are similar to northern salmon in appearance so early settlers called them salmon.If the sea of Perth does not cool down in Autumn they do not come up the coast.They are on the way already and will be in the metro area in a few weeks.I am aware this is not science but it works.The sea temperature of Fremantle is 23 c I am going to monitor it.



My father said the same things about crab (in Alaska). Of course today we import it (king crab) from Russia because the crab season is too short (in Alaska). He thought it was funny when the stores started buying the crab they threw away. He said they changed it's name to "snow" from tanner because who would buy tanner crab?
My pops monitored it quite well. I hope you'll do the same.

p.s., first crab I ever saw we hauled in from a drop net in a fjord. They don't have fjords in the US, do they have any in Australia? Just trying to find out how much you have in common with Americans.
ie., there is a harbour, food has flavour, etc., right?


We catch our own crab. That fleet is based right here in Seattle. They do most of the crabbing in the Bering Sea, not in fjords.



What crab? Dungeness, snow? Snow crab used to be called tanner and was thrown overboard. Just not worth eating. Most King crab today is imported from Russia. So what they catch must be dungeness. After all, the king crab season is what, 2 weeks long?
28-03-2020 20:26
Amanbir GrewalProfile picture★☆☆☆☆
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long-term nonsense.


how did you make the last climate change without any Scientists? migration is ruled out cuz this affects everyone in africa also.


Scientific and Industrial ages cause changing societies and social stratification.


Monastic thoughts cause headache and purity.


AUGUST COMTE AN EMPLOYED SOCIALIST BEFORE A PANEL OTHERWISE A SIMPLE PLANNER OF GUISES AND POTIONS
28-03-2020 22:32
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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James___ wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
James___ wrote:
duncan61 wrote:
We have an annual run of salmon in Autumn up the west coast to spawn.They are actually a sea perch but are similar to northern salmon in appearance so early settlers called them salmon.If the sea of Perth does not cool down in Autumn they do not come up the coast.They are on the way already and will be in the metro area in a few weeks.I am aware this is not science but it works.The sea temperature of Fremantle is 23 c I am going to monitor it.



My father said the same things about crab (in Alaska). Of course today we import it (king crab) from Russia because the crab season is too short (in Alaska). He thought it was funny when the stores started buying the crab they threw away. He said they changed it's name to "snow" from tanner because who would buy tanner crab?
My pops monitored it quite well. I hope you'll do the same.

p.s., first crab I ever saw we hauled in from a drop net in a fjord. They don't have fjords in the US, do they have any in Australia? Just trying to find out how much you have in common with Americans.
ie., there is a harbour, food has flavour, etc., right?


We catch our own crab. That fleet is based right here in Seattle. They do most of the crabbing in the Bering Sea, not in fjords.



What crab? Dungeness, snow? Snow crab used to be called tanner and was thrown overboard. Just not worth eating. Most King crab today is imported from Russia. So what they catch must be dungeness. After all, the king crab season is what, 2 weeks long?

King and Dungeness.


The Parrot Killer




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