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Scientific method in medicine19-02-2022 11:37
Xadoman
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How can the scientific method be used in medicine? Lets say we have a theory that vaccination helps. We have a case that a guy collapses and dies two weeks later from a myocarditis which was likely caused by the vaccination. This is conflicting evidence.
We hear a lot about evidence based medicine. We know that science does not use supporting evidence. Does that mean that medicine is not a science. What is it then?
19-02-2022 14:54
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Xadoman wrote:
How can the scientific method be used in medicine? Lets say we have a theory that vaccination helps. We have a case that a guy collapses and dies two weeks later from a myocarditis which was likely caused by the vaccination. This is conflicting evidence.
We hear a lot about evidence based medicine. We know that science does not use supporting evidence. Does that mean that medicine is not a science. What is it then?

You are making the standard error of confusing the creation/development of science with the testing/falsifying of science once it is developed.

The scientific method shows that a model is false, or at least tries exhaustively. This implies that the model has already been created. For example, the scientific method might very well cherry-pick your "man collapsing and dying" example to show that some hypothesis about vaccination is false.

So, let's look at the development side. Science can be inspired by anything or nothing at all. In medicine, the majority of models come about from data, typically from focused observation, typically from clinical tests and lab analysis. Medicine is more about "watching and figuring out" than about taking precise measurements because at the center of study are necessarily living organisms, and different ones to boot. This plagues measurement data with the entire myriad of problems that tmiddles likes to exploit to confuse and obscure. This is also why mandatory vaccinations are referred to as "medical experiments."

Medical science also differs from other science by being tightly coupled with corresponding technology. The development of medical science usually leads directly to advancement of medical technology (which includes medicines, instruments, equipment, etc.) which, in turn, accelerates existing, or generates new, development of medical science and the tightly-knit cycle repeats.
19-02-2022 16:46
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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No two human beings are precisely the same. Every medical treatment, is an experiment. The standard treatments work reasonably well, for almost every body, killing very few, at least. If a standard treatment isn't working well, or doing bad things, a doctor will try something else. Doctors can only assist and comfort a patient. Fighting an infection, or healing of a wound, is still something only the patient can do. You break your arm. The doctor can set it straight, immobilize it, to help prevent re-injuring it. Give you drugs, to ease the pain, or recreation. Still going to take 8-12 weeks to heal. Vaccines can only teach your immune system to look for a particular virus. Same as what you get, from being infected. The don't prevent you from getting infected again, just a speedy recovery, without severe symptoms. Anti-viral drugs, are experimental not always effective. They all need to be given at first sign of symptoms. The usually are intended to inhibit a virus from entering a cell, to replicate. They don't do anything for the cells already replicating the virus. Basically, the keep you from getting any sicker from that virus.

Medicine, is like pretty much everything else, politics, profits, power and control. Keeping you alive, and healthy isn't usually the high priority, but great if it works out for you.
19-02-2022 17:49
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Xadoman wrote:
How can the scientific method be used in medicine?

Science is not a method or procedure. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
Xadoman wrote:
Lets say we have a theory that vaccination helps.

That is not a theory. That is a compositional error fallacy. Not all vaccines work.
Xadoman wrote:
We have a case that a guy collapses and dies two weeks later from a myocarditis which was likely caused by the vaccination. This is conflicting evidence.

It is not conflicting evidence. It is evidence that a particular vaccine might have an undesirable side effect.
Xadoman wrote:
We hear a lot about evidence based medicine.

Science isn't evidence. It is a set of falsifiable theories.
Xadoman wrote:
We know that science does not use supporting evidence. Does that mean that medicine is not a science.

Medical science is a branch of science. A fallacy is NOT science. That includes the compositional error fallacy you are making. A treatment is NOT science.
Xadoman wrote:
What is it then?

RQAA.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is nothing more. That's it. That's all. It is not a method, procedure, compositional error or any other fallacy, evidence, data, observation, or assumption of conclusion fallacy.

It is just the theories themselves.


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19-02-2022 18:05
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
No two human beings are precisely the same. Every medical treatment, is an experiment.

In a way, true.
HarveyH55 wrote:
The standard treatments work reasonably well, for almost every body, killing very few, at least.

What you are pointing out is the statistical use of data. While part of medicine, it is NOT science.
HarveyH55 wrote:
If a standard treatment isn't working well, or doing bad things, a doctor will try something else.

There is no such thing as a 'standard' treatment. There are various treatments available for various maladies. The creation of these treatments are often based on an underlying theory of science, and like any theory of science, can be falsified.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Doctors can only assist and comfort a patient. Fighting an infection, or healing of a wound, is still something only the patient can do. You break your arm. The doctor can set it straight, immobilize it, to help prevent re-injuring it. Give you drugs, to ease the pain, or recreation. Still going to take 8-12 weeks to heal.

True. All the doctor can do is assist. You have to heal yourself.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Vaccines can only teach your immune system to look for a particular virus. Same as what you get, from being infected. The don't prevent you from getting infected again, just a speedy recovery, without severe symptoms.

Again, true; assuming the vaccine works (and assuming 'getting sick' means being infected by that antigen and suffering symptoms).
HarveyH55 wrote:
Anti-viral drugs, are experimental not always effective.

Every treatment of any kind can be considered experimental, even setting a bone or stitching up a wound.
HarveyH55 wrote:
They all need to be given at first sign of symptoms. The usually are intended to inhibit a virus from entering a cell, to replicate. They don't do anything for the cells already replicating the virus. Basically, the keep you from getting any sicker from that virus.

By inhibiting cell invasion by a virus, the body gets better, not stays the same.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Medicine, is like pretty much everything else, politics, profits, power and control.

Medicine is a combination of theories of science and people providing treatments, which may or may not be based on a theory of science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is not even people at all. It is not any scientist, doctor, or group of them in any way.

It is important to separate out what is medical science, and what is people; along with their religions, politics, power, and profit.
HarveyH55 wrote:
Keeping you alive, and healthy isn't usually the high priority, but great if it works out for you.

Again, a theory of science does not involve people. There is no factor about wanting to keep people alive and healthy. Science doesn't 'want' anything. It is just the theories themselves.

A doctor or other health provider is usually interested in keeping people alive and healthy. Some of them simply do not care whether you are healthy or not, or even if you are going to live. They have become bureaucrats, following a system that pays them regardless. This is the problem with government medicine. This is the problem with government subsidized medicine. Governments don't care about people (as demonstrated by goon squads beating people in the streets, such as in Ottawa). They only care about themselves, and only cares enough about people to get taxes from them.


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Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles

Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit

nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan

While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan
20-02-2022 04:15
duncan61
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A course of leaches fixes everything from limp dick to Covid
20-02-2022 09:51
Xadoman
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Covid and the whole virology scam explained:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/h6c7aLpsuyFu/
20-02-2022 14:11
Xadoman
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For those who dig deeper than mainstream media:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aISPlTLbJo&ab_channel=DagGano

Here is the whole interview with K. Mullis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1FXbxDrDrY&ab_channel=DagGano

A quote from K. Mullis:

"If you're dumb enough to watch that box and do what it tells you to do...."
Edited on 20-02-2022 14:15
20-02-2022 22:09
HarveyH55Profile picture★★★★★
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People got lazy about learning a long time ago. They tend to study just the things that interest them, give them pleasure. Where in the past, we were all tasked with learning as many things a we could. Main reason, was we had to learn a large variety of things, because there weren't a lot of 'experts' and 'professionals' handy. Not to mention the expense. The more we were able to learn, the more things we could do for ourselves. Democrats have been over complicating most everything, to where you need some schooling, just to get through the bureaucrat paperwork.




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