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GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

It does not instantly go cold the moment its removed from the heat and neither does the gas idiot.

James___ wrote:
Trap might be the wrong word to use.

James___ wrote: Haven't you noticed? itn has been quiet. He's letting his disciples do all the talking.

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

It does not instantly go cold the moment its removed from the heat and neither does the gas idiot.

But it does go cold? OK, so the heat was never trapped, idiot.

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

spot wrote:
y

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

It does not instantly go cold the moment its removed from the heat and neither does the gas idiot.

But it does go cold? OK, so the heat was never trapped, idiot.

Traped retained we both know what we are on about and we both know that the laws of physics aren't broken.

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

I do better than that. I weld. I also use gloves.

So do I

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

It does not instantly go cold the moment its removed from the heat and neither does the gas idiot.

James___ wrote:
GasGuzzler, this is an example of black body radiation. Trap might be the wrong word to use. In this experiment heat is being refracted specific wavelengths in accordance with E = hv. When the piece of metal absorbs heat, it becomes a prism.

James___ wrote:
Where the heat was plasma,

James___ wrote:
when emitted from the steel piece it becomes electromagnetic radiation.

spot wrote:
y

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

You are projecting again. I'm trying to recall whether you have ever demonstrated knowledge of anything. Can you help me out on that? Nothing comes to mind off-hand.

If heat cannot be stored and you are so smart why dont you grab a poker straight out of a fire?

Getting burned by a hot chunk of iron only shows thermal energy NOT being stored and flowing into your hand.

So if a bar of iron holds onto heat temporarily, why cant a gas?

Heat is not contained in anything. Nothing holds heat. You cannot hold, store, or trap heat.

So why not grab the bar.

If the hot bar is trapping heat then it should be OK...go for it!

It does not instantly go cold the moment its removed from the heat and neither does the gas idiot.

But it does go cold? OK, so the heat was never trapped, idiot.

Traped retained we both know what we are on about and we both know that the laws of physics aren't broken.

spot wrote:
Source of heat stops. thing that is hot stays hot. laws of physics not broken

Simple enough for you?

spot wrote:
Well the 2nd law must be wrong because the hot bar of metal is not safe to handle the instant its removed from the heat grab the metal the 2nd law will protect you.

spot wrote:
Or you could possibly be wrong.

spot wrote:
Which you are

spot wrote:
Everyone who is not a total imbecile knows that.

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

Generally you don't. Just grab the cold end.

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

Once again, you can open a beer or open a book. People walk on hot coals without burning their feet. Hopefully this helps you to understand the concept of heat and heat transfer.

https://youtu.be/1W7FahK7DO4

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

Generally you don't. Just grab the cold end.

Did you do a lot of acid back in the day?

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

Once again, you can open a beer or open a book. People walk on hot coals without burning their feet. Hopefully this helps you to understand the concept of heat and heat transfer.

https://youtu.be/1W7FahK7DO4

How about this if you are so interested in educating me....

In detail and in your own words, please discuss the difference between heat and heat transfer.

I'll grab a beer while I anxiously await your response.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
[quote]spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

Once again, you can open a beer or open a book. People walk on hot coals without burning their feet. Hopefully this helps you to understand the concept of heat and heat transfer.

https://youtu.be/1W7FahK7DO4

How about this if you are so interested in educating me....

In detail and in your own words, please discuss the difference between heat and heat transfer.

I'll grab a beer while I anxiously await your response.

James___ wrote:Heat is heat transfer.

James___ wrote:Try rubbing both of your palms against each other using a back and forth motion.

James___ wrote:Your hands will get hot. Why?

James___ wrote:It's because the friction of rubbing them together excites the molecules in your skin.
This allows those molecules to emit and absorb energy (heat content) that they have stored.
Basically the KE of both of your hands change because of the work done by your arms to move them.

James___ wrote:And when heat content is moving from one molecule in your hand to a different molecule, it is heat.

James___ wrote:Try it, you'll find your palms will be too hot to keep rubbing them together.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:
[quote]GasGuzzler wrote:
[quote]spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

Once again, you can open a beer or open a book. People walk on hot coals without burning their feet. Hopefully this helps you to understand the concept of heat and heat transfer.

https://youtu.be/1W7FahK7DO4

How about this if you are so interested in educating me....

In detail and in your own words, please discuss the difference between heat and heat transfer.

I'll grab a beer while I anxiously await your response.

James___ wrote:Heat is heat transfer.

No, heat IS transfer.

Try rubbing both of your palms against each other using a back and forth motion.

OK.....?

[quote]James___ wrote:Your hands will get hot. Why?

Well I had my thumb up my ass for a long time waiting for your response. Did that have anything to do with it?

[quote]James___ wrote:It's because the friction of rubbing them together excites the molecules in your skin.
This allows those molecules to emit and absorb energy (heat content) that they have stored.
Basically the KE of both of your hands change because of the work done by your arms to move them.

So when I use the engine to drive my truck, I've changed the kinetic energy of the tires? Doesn't sound quite right.

[quote]James___ wrote:And when heat content is moving from one molecule in your hand to a different molecule, it is heat.

So is heat content a noun or a verb?

[quote]James___ wrote:Try it, you'll find your palms will be too hot to keep rubbing them together.

Says the guy who claims a cigarette can be extinguished in the palm of your hand, pain free.

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James___ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

If the heat is retained, it's not coming out into your hand, so no glove needed.

Once again, you can open a beer or open a book. People walk on hot coals without burning their feet. Hopefully this helps you to understand the concept of heat and heat transfer.

https://youtu.be/1W7FahK7DO4

How about this if you are so interested in educating me....

In detail and in your own words, please discuss the difference between heat and heat transfer.

I'll grab a beer while I anxiously await your response.

Heat is heat transfer. There are different ways to consider this. Try rubbing both of your palms against each other using a back and forth motion.

James___ wrote:
Your hands will get hot. Why?
It's because the friction of rubbing them together excites the molecules in your skin. This allows those molecules to emit and absorb energy (heat content) that they have stored.

James___ wrote:
Basically the KE of both of your hands change because of the work done by your arms to move them. And when heat content is moving from one molecule in your hand to a different molecule, it is heat.

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

Generally you don't. Just grab the cold end.

Did you do a lot of acid back in the day?

Yes. Mostly nitric and sulfuric acid. Still do. I also find hydrochloric acid quite useful.

Perhaps you're more of a vinegar man.

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:
Why do you need gloves or tongs or something else to grab it if heat cannot be retained,

Generally you don't. Just grab the cold end.

Did you do a lot of acid back in the day?

Yes. Mostly nitric and sulfuric acid. Still do. I also find hydrochloric acid quite useful.

Perhaps you're more of a vinegar man.

Not really what I has in mind I had no idea that they could be taken recreationally.

jenb wrote:
If I recall correctly, most of the energy emitted by the sun is IR

Into the Night wrote:

Heat is not contained in anything.
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James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Heat is not contained in anything.

You must be friends with that bastardizer IBDM. I heard he would have a family but he can't grasp what a relationship is or how it should be defined. It's an abstract concept to "it". Sad, just plain sad.

duncan61 wrote:
A lot of good information presented shame it turned in to name calling

James___ wrote:

duncan61 wrote:
A lot of good information presented shame it turned in to name calling

If you're talking about something said in reference to IBDM or ITN, it's not name calling. We know each other. If I call IBDM a bastardizer, it's used in an affectionate sort of way. An example is if I hated my wife and my kids, there is IBDM.
I mean the guy is sooo stooopid he doesn't accept 3/2kTn but will say Stefan-Boltzmann constant. I tell his mother everyday that the best part of him was scraped off of the floor and put back in her. Simple genetics. What can I say? I got drunk and pulled it out to soon.
Kind of the relationship that exists in here. We have our different points of view and deal with it.

James___ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Heat is not contained in anything.
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KE of a gas is considered to be heat content.

James___ wrote:
When a gas emits heat content,

James___ wrote:
then it becomes heat. This is because it is a flow. If something does not have heat content, then it cannot allow for heat. ie, atmospheric gases can store heat content.

James___ wrote:
This is different than "temperature". Temperature is the average heat (flow of energy) in a given volume. ie., room temperature is the average heat (flow of energy) in a space that is accepted as being a room in your home.