July 4, 2023 - Hottest day ever recorded

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL as 99.99999% of all Earth years went un-recorded

How do you know that 0.00001% of each year (3.15 seconds) was recorded?

What was recorded for the 3.15 seconds of the first Earth year? How was it recorded? ... audio cassette?

Actually 100% of every year has been recorded since 1850/1880 or so. Before that there are no records of any type.

Now take your pills and go back to sleep

Standardize temperature recordings started in 1898. Average temperature doesn't mean much, if you keep adding hundreds of new locations each year. Mainly in warm places, with commercial airports... Then, of course in 1970,, the official temperatures were derived from satellite data. Not sure when land based stations were mostly abandoned. The temperatures were only intended/significant to local conditions.

HarveyH55 wrote:

Swan wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:LOL as 99.99999% of all Earth years went un-recorded

How do you know that 0.00001% of each year (3.15 seconds) was recorded?

What was recorded for the 3.15 seconds of the first Earth year? How was it recorded? ... audio cassette?

Actually 100% of every year has been recorded since 1850/1880 or so. Before that there are no records of any type.

Now take your pills and go back to sleep

Standardize temperature recordings started in 1898. Average temperature doesn't mean much, if you keep adding hundreds of new locations each year. Mainly in warm places, with commercial airports... Then, of course in 1970,, the official temperatures were derived from satellite data. Not sure when land based stations were mostly abandoned. The temperatures were only intended/significant to local conditions.

Im a BM wrote:
It is not official yet.

But all indications are that when the data is all compiled, it will show:

July 4, 2023 was the hottest day ever recorded.

Im a BM wrote: May 4, 2024, Northern California set record lows for daily high temperatures.

Im a BM wrote: Climate change isn't just about global warming.
It is also about extreme weather.

Im a BM wrote: Extreme means deviating far from the norm.

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: May 4, 2024, Northern California set record lows for daily high temperatures.

Every day some place is setting some sort of weather record. Every day, forever.

Im a BM wrote: Climate change isn't just about global warming.
It is also about extreme weather.

Normal occurrences are not extreme weather.

Im a BM wrote: Extreme means deviating far from the norm.

You haven't defined "far"; color me surprised.

This amounts to nothing more than a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Every day some place is setting some sort of weather record. Every day, forever.

James_ wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Im a BM wrote: May 4, 2024, Northern California set record lows for daily high temperatures.

Every day some place is setting some sort of weather record. Every day, forever.

Im a BM wrote: Climate change isn't just about global warming.
It is also about extreme weather.

Normal occurrences are not extreme weather.

Im a BM wrote: Extreme means deviating far from the norm.

You haven't defined "far"; color me surprised.

This amounts to nothing more than a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Every day some place is setting some sort of weather record. Every day, forever.

This is so true. Why just today every city in the world set the new record for the most days with weather. It was 1 more than the previous record set the day before. I swear its true.

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

Before that, March, 2024 was the hottest March ever recorded.

Before that, February, 2024 was the hottest February ever recorded.

Before that, January, 2024 was the hottest January ever recorded.

Before that, December, 2023 was the hottest December ever recorded.

Before that, November, 2023 was the hottest November ever recorded.

Before that, October, 2023 was the hottest October ever recorded.

Before that, September, 2023 was the hottest September ever recorded.

Before that, August, 2023 was the hottest August ever recorded.

Before that, July, 2023 was the hottest July ever recorded.

And before that, June, 2023 was the hottest June ever recorded.


just sayin'



Oh, and the thread title is wrong. July 4, 2023 was NOT the hottest day ever recorded. That record didn't last more than a day or two. Nor did the next record last more than a day or two..

Im a BM wrote:
How unexpected!

May, 2024 continued the streak to make 12 consecutive months that were all the hottest ever recorded.

Im a BM wrote:
Go back to sleep. It's all just a Marxist hoax. ALL the world's scientists are either corrupt or inexcusably incompetent.

Im a BM wrote:
The only ACCURATE science is a closely guarded secret, known only to trolls.

Im a BM wrote:
But they will give you a few hints. It is impossible for climate to change because thermodynamics.... something something... You'll have to ask a troll, because MY science training was inadequate to make sense of it.

Im a BM wrote:
It must be part of a natural cycle or something. Every 20,000 years, the rivers in northern Alaska turn orange.

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

Before that, March, 2024 was the hottest March ever recorded.

Before that, February, 2024 was the hottest February ever recorded.

Before that, January, 2024 was the hottest January ever recorded.

Before that, December, 2023 was the hottest December ever recorded.

Before that, November, 2023 was the hottest November ever recorded.

Before that, October, 2023 was the hottest October ever recorded.

Before that, September, 2023 was the hottest September ever recorded.

Before that, August, 2023 was the hottest August ever recorded.

Before that, July, 2023 was the hottest July ever recorded.

And before that, June, 2023 was the hottest June ever recorded.


just sayin'

GasGuzzler wrote:

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

Before that, March, 2024 was the hottest March ever recorded.

Before that, February, 2024 was the hottest February ever recorded.

Before that, January, 2024 was the hottest January ever recorded.

Before that, December, 2023 was the hottest December ever recorded.

Before that, November, 2023 was the hottest November ever recorded.

Before that, October, 2023 was the hottest October ever recorded.

Before that, September, 2023 was the hottest September ever recorded.

Before that, August, 2023 was the hottest August ever recorded.

Before that, July, 2023 was the hottest July ever recorded.

And before that, June, 2023 was the hottest June ever recorded.


just sayin'

Have you any clue how the temperature of the earth is measured? I fail to find any method that even gets close to wildly inaccurate. Maybe you can help? Thanks in advance.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

Before that, March, 2024 was the hottest March ever recorded.

Before that, February, 2024 was the hottest February ever recorded.

Before that, January, 2024 was the hottest January ever recorded.

Before that, December, 2023 was the hottest December ever recorded.

Before that, November, 2023 was the hottest November ever recorded.

Before that, October, 2023 was the hottest October ever recorded.

Before that, September, 2023 was the hottest September ever recorded.

Before that, August, 2023 was the hottest August ever recorded.

Before that, July, 2023 was the hottest July ever recorded.

And before that, June, 2023 was the hottest June ever recorded.


just sayin'

Have you any clue how the temperature of the earth is measured? I fail to find any method that even gets close to wildly inaccurate. Maybe you can help? Thanks in advance.

Yes, I have MANY clues how the temperature of the earth is measured.

It doesn't sound like you are accusing anyone of LYING about the data.

If the measurements are "wildly inaccurate", they should not trend in just one direction - upward.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

sealover wrote:
April, 2024 was the hottest April ever recorded.

Before that, March, 2024 was the hottest March ever recorded.

Before that, February, 2024 was the hottest February ever recorded.

Before that, January, 2024 was the hottest January ever recorded.

Before that, December, 2023 was the hottest December ever recorded.

Before that, November, 2023 was the hottest November ever recorded.

Before that, October, 2023 was the hottest October ever recorded.

Before that, September, 2023 was the hottest September ever recorded.

Before that, August, 2023 was the hottest August ever recorded.

Before that, July, 2023 was the hottest July ever recorded.

And before that, June, 2023 was the hottest June ever recorded.


just sayin'

Have you any clue how the temperature of the earth is measured? I fail to find any method that even gets close to wildly inaccurate. Maybe you can help? Thanks in advance.

Yes, I have MANY clues how the temperature of the earth is measured.

It doesn't sound like you are accusing anyone of LYING about the data.

If the measurements are "wildly inaccurate", they should not trend in just one direction - upward.

I'm not accusing you of lying about the numbers (not data). I am accusing you of faithfully believing what you were told to.... That is, unless you can explain how the temperature of the earth is accurately measured. Can you?

GasGuzzler wrote: Old Mercury thermometers were extremely accurate, maybe more so than today's digitals depending on the quality.

GasGuzzler wrote: The problem I see is that satellites cannot measure temperature.

GasGuzzler wrote: This begs the question ; whose ass are the numbers plucked from and why should I believe there is any accuracy to the numbers put forth?

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote: Old Mercury thermometers were extremely accurate, maybe more so than today's digitals depending on the quality.

Be careful here. Measuring temperature, even with magically perfect instrumentation, has unknown error if you don't know the pressure.

I know, I know, nobody ever includes pressure when discussing temperature, but remember that you can boil water until it freezes, and witness water at its "tri-point" (when it is a solid, liquid and gas at the same time) by only adjusting pressure.

Ergo, without pressure co-measurements, you can't really draw usable conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5mkf066p-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOCni8JfiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4BGV7-1lhs

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote: The problem I see is that satellites cannot measure temperature.

Be careful here. Satellites can measure temperature, but only relative temperature, not absolute temperature. If you state only that satellites cannot measure temperature, you lose before you get out of the starting gate.

By measuring relative temperature, satellites can capture imagery of an aircraft's thermal signature such that one can know the make and model of the jet engine. The thermal signature, i.e. the relative temperatures captured, will be the same regardless of altitude and differing absolute temperatures.

IBdaMann wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote: This begs the question ; whose ass are the numbers plucked from and why should I believe there is any accuracy to the numbers put forth?

Not Frank's ass; he's all out of fabricated numbers.

GasGuzzler wrote:Hang on there grasshopper. There's just no way in hell I'm dumbing this down for you by clarifying my terms. If you just Google temperature then any troll can know exactly what I intended. When I chant, my audience needs no clarification. Did I tell you I am a prestigious PHD (Prolific Hydrocarbon Driver)? Now you're going to go off about emissivity and the SB law blah blah blah. You're always trying to interject with science blah blah blah. Go somewhere else you ugly troll. THIS thread is about global warming.

GasGuzzler wrote: Ralph started with 50 and then printed 50 so he prolly has 50. I'll get some from him.

Im a BM wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
Have you any clue how the temperature of the earth is measured? I fail to find any method that even gets close to wildly inaccurate. Maybe you can help? Thanks in advance.

Yes, I have MANY clues how the temperature of the earth is measured.

Im a BM wrote:
It doesn't sound like you are accusing anyone of LYING about the data.

Im a BM wrote:
If the measurements are "wildly inaccurate", they should not trend in just one direction - upward.

Im a BM wrote:
If I faithfully believed what I was told to, I would have never published any original discoveries.

Im a BM wrote:
They ALL defied the prevailing wisdom, and therefore had a much higher bar for the kind of proof required to support them. And they all passed the test.

Im a BM wrote:
Some "skeptics" argue that the only accurate temperature data is more recent than 1978,

Im a BM wrote:
when satellites began measuring earth temperatures.

Im a BM wrote:
They want to throw out all the thermometer data from prior years.

Im a BM wrote:
And if climate history

Im a BM wrote:
didn't BEGIN until 1978, the more recent changes are less striking.

Im a BM wrote:
But let's just pretend that ALL the equipment is wildly inaccurate.

Im a BM wrote:
Let's say that it is plus or minus 5% of true temperature.

Im a BM wrote:
Measurements are just as likely to be 5% too low as 5% too high.

Im a BM wrote:
There is no way that inaccurate measurement can account for the consistent upward trend with time.

Im a BM wrote:
Maybe you know something about the technology that would explain it having an increasingly high bias over time, resulting in higher and higher measurements despite no actual change in average temperature.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Old Mercury thermometers were extremely accurate, maybe more so than today's digitals depending on the quality.

The problem I see is that satellites cannot measure temperature. This begs the question ; whose ass are the numbers plucked from and why should I believe there is any accuracy to the numbers put forth?

Into the Night wrote:Robert is simply ignoring mathematics.

keepit wrote:
im a bm,
That's a well presented case.

sealover wrote: Let's pretend that the world's top scientists are huddled to discuss the huge problems with the temperature data set.

Let's pretend that two groups of scientists have come up with two completely different sets of numbers.

One set of numbers says that temperatures in the last 40 years are not significantly higher than previous centuries.

The other set of numbers says that temperature keeps creeping up higher.

keepit wrote: im a bm, That's a well presented case.

keepit wrote: More name calling ibd? What about a semantic argument?

keepit wrote:
ibd,
Really. Can't you start to make some SUBSTANTIAL points rather than just petty name calling and semantic arguments, and lies and inaccuracies.

IBdaMann wrote:

Into the Night wrote:Robert is simply ignoring mathematics.

I'm not convinced he ever learned it in the first place. He can't ignore that which he isn't aware even exists.

IBdaMann wrote:
Can you recall even a single one of Robert's posts in which he either specifies or scrutinizes the margin of error for his claims, or the tolerances of the instrumentation behind the claims?

IBdaMann wrote:
If he were actually a scientist, he would have included mention of the tolerance of his gamma-spec in order to impart confidence in his findings.

IBdaMann wrote:
I'm glad that you noticed his presumption of supporting data and of an abundance of sufficient perfect instrumentation.

IBdaMann wrote:
I understand clearly why Robert doesn't dare define any terms that might pin him down on any physics violation he holds dear, which would put him in a nasty pickle to explain why he considers himself a thienth geniuth.

sealover wrote:
Let's pretend that the world's top scientists are huddled to discuss the huge problems with the temperature data set.

sealover wrote:
Let's pretend that two groups of scientists have come up with two completely different sets of numbers.

One set of numbers says that temperatures in the last 40 years are not significantly higher than previous centuries.

The other set of numbers says that temperature keeps creeping up higher.

What OTHER data could settle the dispute?

sealover wrote:
How about altitude range of forest pests?

sealover wrote:
If there has been no increase in temperature, then there has been a sudden leap in evolution. Very rapid adaptation has enabled bark boring beetles, etc., to thrive at higher altitude than before.

sealover wrote:
How about the latitude range of boreal forest trees?

If there has been no increase in temperature, there has been a sudden leap in evolution. Very rapid adaptation has enabled boreal forest trees to thrive at latitudes further north than before.

sealover wrote:
How about the elevation range of plant communities of all types?

sealover wrote:
If there has been no increase in temperature, there has been a sudden leap in evolution. Very rapid adaptation has enabled multiple kinds of plant communities to thrive at higher elevation than before.

sealover wrote:
But there IS no group of scientists with alternative temperature data showing no significant increase in the last 40 years.

sealover wrote:
Just internet trolls who pretend to understand science.

keepit wrote:
im a bm,
That's a well presented case.

Im a BM wrote:

keepit wrote:
im a bm,
That's a well presented case.

Why would any rational adult disagree with you?

They wouldn't.

But they wouldn't feel very welcomed at this website.

This is a pretty tough neighborhood for rational adults.

They generally steer clear of places like this.

At least the current version of this place.

But I'm hoping to help change that and make a more rational-adult-friendly environment.

keepit wrote:
More name calling ibd? What about a semantic argument?

keepit wrote:
ibd,
Really. Can't you start to make some SUBSTANTIAL points rather than just petty name calling and semantic arguments, and lies and inaccuracies.

Im a BM wrote:
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Could go on about agricultural pest species range shifting to where it has gotten warmer, snow lines, tree lines, biome boundaries.

Im a BM wrote:
Mother Nature provides a whole lot of temperature evidence that doesn't require a thermometer.

Im a BM wrote:
In this case, I would say that the Earth's evidence

Im a BM wrote:
overrules human data sets

Im a BM wrote:
if there is truly a dispute about whether or not global warming is occurring.

Im a BM wrote:
But there is no such dispute among real world scientists.

keepit wrote:
ibd,
Really. Can't you start to make some SUBSTANTIAL points rather than just petty name calling and semantic arguments, and lies and inaccuracies.