Etymology of Science
| 07-02-2020 02:38 | |
tmiddles ★★★★★(3979) |
Into the Night wrote:A single hand of poker has at most one winner.tmiddles wrote: Edited on 07-02-2020 02:38 |
| 07-02-2020 04:33 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
tmiddles wrote:...I plan to post a real argument... OK so in a nutshell the argument is that 1st you must factor in that "Early in Earth's history, the Sun's output would have been only 70 percent as intense as it is during the modern epoch, owing to a higher ratio of hydrogen to helium in its core." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox This means that during the early parts of the graph the sun's output to us was 4% less. " solar output was around 4% lower than current levels" So if CO2 is the main driver of global warming in the past the tipping point to glaciation is 500 ppm today but 480 million years ago it would have been 3000 ppm. The other key point is there are multiple drivers of radiative forcing (a shift in equilibrium toward more thermal energy on Earth), CO2 being one. Aerosols (dust) from volcanic activity (we were thought to have been hit by an asteroid in there). I would agree that the data does not show a correlation where CO2 is causing warming. The rebuttal on skepticalscience seems to be just that sky high CO2 not causing crazy warming hundreds of millions of years ago is explained by the lower output from the sun. Edited on 07-02-2020 04:38 |
| 07-02-2020 08:24 | |
| James___★★★★★ (5513) |
tmiddles wrote:tmiddles wrote:...I plan to post a real argument... The Van Allen radiation belts were probably weaker. As a result they let more solar radiation in. The Earth's magnetic field is probably stronger today. That would resolve the problem. As the Sun grows, it's gravitational field influences the Earth's own gravitational field more. Gravity in a field is inversely proportional, right? |
| 07-02-2020 18:38 | |
IBdaMann ★★★★★(14420) |
tmiddles wrote: I would agree that the data does not show a correlation where CO2 is causing warming. Are you saying that there is a valid dataset that does not show such a correlation or are you saying that there is no valid dataset in the first place. tmiddles wrote: The rebuttal on skepticalscience seems to be just that sky high CO2 not causing crazy warming hundreds of millions of years ago is explained by the lower output from the sun. Could you humor me and explain how anyone can make any sort of claim about the sun's output say, one million years ago, one billion years ago, etc...? Are we operating under the same assumptions that the sun formed as a (very very large) cloud of hydrogen coming together under the force of gravity, with such a quantity of mass creating intense pressure as to commence nuclear fusion of hydrogen to helium? Are we operating under the same assumptions that the sun's solar output is directly dependent upon its temperature which is directly dependent upon the nuclear fusion that is occurring? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 07-02-2020 20:27 | |
| spot★★★★☆ (1323) |
Perhaps he has read a book about astronomy |
| 07-02-2020 20:34 | |
Into the Night ★★★★★(21600) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:A single hand of poker has at most one winner.tmiddles wrote: WRONG. A single hand can have one, two, three, or even all the players on a table win a pot. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 07-02-2020 20:41 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
tmiddles wrote: No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 07-02-2020 20:43 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
James___ wrote: No argument presented. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 07-02-2020 21:01 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14420) |
Into the Night wrote:WRONG. A single hand can have one, two, three, or even all the players on a table win a pot. Can a single hand have five winners? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 07-02-2020 21:13 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
IBdaMann wrote:Into the Night wrote:WRONG. A single hand can have one, two, three, or even all the players on a table win a pot. Yes (assuming there are at least five players). Example: In Texas Holdem, hands are: As Tc, Kc Qc, 7d 6c, Qd 7c, Kd 2h; and the flop is Qh Th 8h 5h 4h. The best hand is a queen high heart flush. All five players win the pot. They all have the same hand. No player has a heart that changes the ranking of the heart flush that is on the board. The 5th player's 2h does not outrank any card on the board. The best five cards out of the seven (the board plus a player's two hole cards) are used. It may even be a sizable pot. The players holding queens will be betting and the other hands have sufficient to call, especially in a low limit game. The guy with the straight (7d 6c) might even try to raise. I have even seen hands like this even in no limit games, and everyone went all in. It is a fairly common occurrence in tourney games, when blinds are high. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan Edited on 07-02-2020 21:30 |
| 07-02-2020 23:26 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:Accepting the data as valid as a stipulation to analyze the argument as presented, I see no clear correlation. My understanding of the argument against this is not that there IS a good correlation, only that the major problem (sky high CO2 with relatively low temps 500 million years ago) is explained away.tmiddles wrote: I would agree that the data does not show a correlation where CO2 is causing warming. I did not get into discussing the reliability of the data at all. This was a "By their own argument they are saying this...does it add up". That clear? IBdaMann wrote:I am relying on the links I shared but the theory is based on what we think the composition of the sun is and I believe it's the same premise that leads to the conclusion the sun will "7.5 billion years in the future...engulf, and destroy, the Earth." However I consider really digging into either topic, the reliability of our knowledge of what the sun is doing, or the reliability of past temperature projections, to be lower on the priority list for this topic. My warmazombie friends and I have to work up a plan to pin the swallowing of Earth by the sun on republicans, but we have like 3-4 billion years to work that up. Into the Night wrote:They all have the same hand.Ah then it was a bad example on my part. Though it is worth pointing out in your example that no one makes any money correct? They're just getting their own money back right? |
| 07-02-2020 23:45 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote: You didn't provide an example. You just made a blanket statement. Mantra 31. tmiddles wrote: In that example, yes. Everyone gets their money back. Why is that worth pointing out? The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 08-02-2020 01:22 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
Into the Night wrote:I'd argue the exchange of thermal energy is to heat As The exchange of money is to profit in a zero sum game. There can be no change: equilibrium or you get out of the pot what you put in. A loss: heat flowing away, your money decreases A gain: heat flowing in, more money But poker's a bad model so I'm dropping it. |
| 08-02-2020 02:54 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14420) |
tmiddles wrote:This was a "By their own argument they are saying this...does it add up". That clear? Well, OK then. tmiddles wrote: ... the theory is based on what we think the composition of the sun is and I believe it's the same premise that leads to the conclusion the sun will 7.5 billion years in the future...engulf, and destroy, the Earth. That's fine; I have no objection to which theory you believe. I just wanted to specify what your particular basis was. tmiddles wrote: My warmazombie friends and I have to work up a plan to pin the swallowing of Earth by the sun on republicans, but we have like 3-4 billion years to work that up. Well OK then. That gives Donald Trump roughly a billion more terms as President for you to impeach him again ... and gives Schiff ample time to practice a bit. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 08-02-2020 04:02 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:...a billion more terms...That would be the worst twilight zone ever. |
| 08-02-2020 07:02 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14420) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:...a billion more terms...That would be the worst twilight zone ever. You got that right. I'd shiver to think what Schiff can pull out of his arse given enough time. . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 08-02-2020 07:32 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
IBdaMann wrote:I'd shiver to think what Schiff can pull out of his arse given enough time.He'll probably use more magic to make Trump call Putin and ask for a loan from the oval office. |
| 08-02-2020 07:33 | |
| Into the Night★★★★★ (21600) |
tmiddles wrote:Into the Night wrote:...deleted false equivalence...Mantras 15... Poker is not a zero sum game. The Parrot Killer Debunked in my sig. - tmiddles Google keeps track of paranoid talk and i'm not on their list. I've been evaluated and certified. - keepit nuclear powered ships do not require nuclear fuel. - Swan While it is true that fossils do not burn it is also true that fossil fuels burn very well - Swan |
| 08-02-2020 08:54 | |
| IBdaMann★★★★★ (14420) |
tmiddles wrote:IBdaMann wrote:I'd shiver to think what Schiff can pull out of his arse given enough time.He'll probably use more magic to make Trump call Putin and ask for a loan from the oval office. Will Trump get to sign the paperwork with a Pelosi Impeachment pen? . I don't think i can [define it]. I just kind of get a feel for the phrase. - keepit A Spaghetti strainer with the faucet running, retains water- tmiddles Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold. - Spongy Iris Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist. The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank :*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist |
| 08-02-2020 12:09 | |
| tmiddles★★★★★ (3979) |
Into the Night wrote: "Poker and gambling are popular examples of zero-sum games since the sum of the amounts won by some players equals the combined losses of the others." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp You have a different definition of zero sum game? |
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