Energy and resource crisis in the future

Xadoman wrote: How long do you think it takes when depletion of oil, coal and other natural resources will start to have a major impact to society? I myself am a bit of doomer about all those things because I do not see a long term solution for depletion problem.

I don't see there being a depletion. Why do you presume there will be one?

Xadoman wrote:

I don't see there being a depletion. Why do you presume there will be one?

Eventually all the coal and shale oil will be burnt/used. What then?

What makes you believe the earth will somehow stop making more?

Xadoman wrote:

What makes you believe the earth will somehow stop making more?

Do you want to say that coal , oil shale etc are renewable at current rate of consumption?

IBD has a totally unsupported belief that the Earth MAGIKALLY makes it's own fossil fuel, by rubbing rocks or something. It's totally coo coo and BS.

Of course the energy industry totally dismisses the idea.

Xadoman wrote:

IBD has a totally unsupported belief that the Earth MAGIKALLY makes it's own fossil fuel, by rubbing rocks or something. It's totally coo coo and BS.

Of course the energy industry totally dismisses the idea.

If that is true then the future is beautiful. No need for nuclear or fusion power plants.

150 years at current rates of production. In contrast, proven oil and gas reserves are equivalent to around 50 and 52 years at current production levels."

Xadoman wrote:Do you want to say that coal , oil shale etc are renewable at current rate of consumption?

IBdaMann wrote:
hydrocarbons. The earth manufactures them .

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
hydrocarbons. The earth manufactures them .

Truly exotic and odd theory with no evidence at all presented as fact.

If we could get back to your reason for posting, i.e. your belief that we are somehow "running out" ... why do you believe this?

Xadoman wrote:
Another thing that is constantly on my mind is a topsoil depletion. I have read that it takes about a thousand year to form and inch of it. At current rate of consumption( heavy farming) the soil is gone is 60 years according to soil specialist. It sounds concerning.

One bit of good news is that human reproduction has slowed dramatically so the dire forecasts for an exploding populatuon arent an issue.

Xadoman wrote:

If we could get back to your reason for posting, i.e. your belief that we are somehow "running out" ... why do you believe this?

I have been to shale oil mines that are underground.

Xadoman wrote: Much of the shale oil is now burnt in our country so we can say that we have depleted our shale oil resources.

Visiting a depleted well does not mean that there is no more and that there will be no more. Are you telling me that your belief that the earth will become hydrocarbon-depleted stems from your visit to a depleted well? Is your logic poor or are you really gullible?

Xadoman wrote:
The future is concerning.

We ran out of whale oil long ago.

Also 60% of energy generated is lost.

About 15% of gas energy actually moves a car.

We have plenty of efficiency to be gained in our existing system.

p.s. - if you want a genuine laugh, ask tmiddles what it is that "we know" about the creation of hydrocarbons. You don't want to miss that. It's too funny

Xadoman wrote:

p.s. - if you want a genuine laugh, ask tmiddles what it is that "we know" about the creation of hydrocarbons. You don't want to miss that. It's too funny

I would like to hear that. I have heard about the creation of fossil fuels over the course of millions of years but I have never digged more deeply into this subject.

Oil comes from organic material, mostly algae,which was quickly buried in mud at the bottom of oceans and lakes – So, it never had a chance to fossilize. Pressure, heat and time converted the organic material into kerogen, oil and natural gas

AND the sun's not burning out anytime soon so we can keep growing fuel if we can't find it in the ground conveniently enough.

Xadoman wrote:
How long do you think it takes when depletion of oil, coal and other natural resources will start to have a major impact to society? I myself am a bit of doomer about all those things because I do not see a long term solution for depletion problem.

Xadoman wrote:

I don't see there being a depletion. Why do you presume there will be one?

Eventually all the coal and shale oil will be burnt/used. What then?

Xadoman wrote:

What makes you believe the earth will somehow stop making more?

Do you want to say that coal , oil shale etc are renewable at current rate of consumption?

tmiddles wrote:

Xadoman wrote:

What makes you believe the earth will somehow stop making more?

Do you want to say that coal , oil shale etc are renewable at current rate of consumption?

IBD has a totally unsupported belief that the Earth MAGIKALLY makes it's own fossil fuel,

tmiddles wrote:
by rubbing rocks or something.

tmiddles wrote:
It's totally coo coo and BS.

tmiddles wrote:
Of course the energy industry totally dismisses the idea.

tmiddles wrote:

Xadoman wrote:

IBD has a totally unsupported belief that the Earth MAGIKALLY makes it's own fossil fuel, by rubbing rocks or something. It's totally coo coo and BS.

Of course the energy industry totally dismisses the idea.

If that is true then the future is beautiful. No need for nuclear or fusion power plants.

Even still:
"There are an estimated 1.1 trillion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. This means that there is enough coal to last us around 150 years at current rates of production. In contrast, proven oil and gas reserves are equivalent to around 50 and 52 years at current production levels."
https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/where-coal-found

We can also grow fuel.

Xadoman wrote:

150 years at current rates of production. In contrast, proven oil and gas reserves are equivalent to around 50 and 52 years at current production levels."

Does not sound very comforting for future generations.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
hydrocarbons. The earth manufactures them .

Told you

Truly exotic and odd theory with no evidence at all presented as fact.

Xadoman wrote:

If we could get back to your reason for posting, i.e. your belief that we are somehow "running out" ... why do you believe this?

I have been to shale oil mines that are underground. Those old underground mines are collapsing here now. The walls and ceiling of the undergorund caves were supported with wooden posts and eventually those post will rot and the ceiling will collapse. Much of the shale oil is now burnt in our country so we can say that we have depleted our shale oil resources.

Xadoman wrote:
Another thing that is constantly on my mind is a topsoil depletion. I have read that it takes about a thousand year to form and inch of it.

Xadoman wrote:
At current rate of consumption( heavy farming) the soil is gone is 60 years according to soil specialist.

Xadoman wrote:
It sounds concerning.

tmiddles wrote:

Xadoman wrote:
Another thing that is constantly on my mind is a topsoil depletion. I have read that it takes about a thousand year to form and inch of it. At current rate of consumption( heavy farming) the soil is gone is 60 years according to soil specialist. It sounds concerning.

One bit of good news is that human reproduction has slowed dramatically so the
dire forecasts for an exploding populatuon arent an issue.

Xadoman wrote:

One bit of good news is that human reproduction has slowed dramatically so the dire forecasts for an exploding populatuon arent an issue.

It only prolongs the process of depletion a little bit. Lets say 200 year instead of 150. In the big picture it does not matter much.

Xadoman wrote:

Visiting a depleted well does not mean that there is no more and that there will be no more. Are you telling me that your belief that the earth will become hydrocarbon-depleted stems from your visit to a depleted well? Is your logic poor or are you really gullible?

I am a simple man and belive in common sense.

Xadoman wrote:
According to logic the rabbit could never catch a turtle( zeno paradox)

Xadoman wrote:
but common sense tells us that sure it can.

Xadoman wrote:
Once the oil shale is burnt in our country we no more have it.

Xadoman wrote:
Simple as that.

Xadoman wrote:
We use it to generate electricity.

Xadoman wrote:
The future is concerning.

tmiddles wrote:

Xadoman wrote:
The future is concerning.

We ran out of whale oil long ago.

tmiddles wrote:
Also 60% of energy generated is lost.

tmiddles wrote:
About 15% of gas energy actually moves a car.

tmiddles wrote:
We have plenty of efficiency to be gained in our existing system.

Xadoman wrote:
Another nail in the coffin is the depletion of big undergroud water resources( aquifers) that are being depleted at the rate way out of contol. It does not take long when those are going to be empty.

Xadoman wrote:

p.s. - if you want a genuine laugh, ask tmiddles what it is that "we know" about the creation of hydrocarbons. You don't want to miss that. It's too funny

I would like to hear that. I have heard about the creation of fossil fuels over the course of millions of years but I have never digged more deeply into this subject.

tmiddles wrote:

Xadoman wrote:

p.s. - if you want a genuine laugh, ask tmiddles what it is that "we know" about the creation of hydrocarbons. You don't want to miss that. It's too funny

I would like to hear that. I have heard about the creation of fossil fuels over the course of millions of years but I have never digged more deeply into this subject.

Oil comes from organic material, mostly algae,

tmiddles wrote:
which was quickly buried in mud at the bottom of oceans and lakes –

tmiddles wrote:
So, it never had a chance to fossilize.

tmiddles wrote:
Pressure, heat and time converted the organic material into kerogen, oil and natural gas

tmiddles wrote:
AND the sun's not burning out anytime soon so we can keep growing fuel if we can't find it in the ground conveniently enough.