Definition of Climate Change

IBdaMann wrote:

Without going through my whole Global Warming story, I too used to be ( decades ago) onboard with the Church of Global Warming ... until I decided I was going to program my own Climate model and rake all the "deniers" over the coals. I started asking for the science being used by the Climate Scientists so I could code it up. I was expecting the whole network to rush me that science and support my efforts. Instead the backs arched and the hissing started. I was instead treated like I had walked into a Catholic church service asking if I could perform a virgin sacrifice. Reality became very clear to me over those few weeks.

Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

montellmartins0007 wrote:
Hello everyone, i am new here and i love reading all the threads very informative.

montellmartins0007 wrote:
Hello everyone, i am new here and i love reading all the threads very informative.

spot wrote:What a believable story!

spot wrote:Tell me in detail how do you know there are no climate models?

Xadoman wrote:

No.

So do you want to say that the concept of solar sail is a myth?

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:What a believable story!

Quite the testament to your own enslavement. I never said that you could saved.

spot wrote:Tell me in detail how do you know there are no climate models?

Sure.

Climate is a religious construct of the Global Warming faith, just like the human soul is a relgious construct of the Christian faith.

There are no models of religious constructs.

Let me know if you need any further explanation.


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will consider it a myth until I see some science. For the moment, photons are not matter. I don't know that they could have any momentum.

Yes, I realize that photons have mass per Einstein's energy/mass equivalence, however I don't know if thermal radiation energy can have momentum.

The forces generated by radiation pressure are generally too small to be noticed under everyday circumstances; however, they are important in some physical processes. This particularly includes objects in outer space where it is usually the main force acting on objects besides gravity, and where the net effect of a tiny force may have a large cumulative effect over long periods of time. For example, had the effects of the sun's radiation pressure on the spacecraft of the Viking program been ignored, the spacecraft would have missed Mars' orbit by about 15,000 km (9,300 mi).[4]

Xadoman wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure

Xadoman wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

A PC that I built. I ordered the parts, put them together, etc... The case had a neat blacklight that made it look really cool in a dark room. The monitor was smaller than I would have liked but it was on sale for a great price at the time.

It wasn't a Mac if that's what you're asking.

Anything else?

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote: I always thought how such little change in temperature could lead to so bad outcome and was not entirely convinced.

Is that perhaps because you have experienced day turn into night turn into day turn into night again?

IBdaMann wrote:
...if there are any such "global" changes that you aren't able to discern them yourself?...

montellmartins0007 wrote:
Hello everyone,

IBdaMann wrote:I summarily dismiss Wikipedia.

tmiddles wrote: The last ice age is estimated to have been about 7C cooler than today.

tmiddles wrote: The concern about climate change is not that you will personally freeze to death or be roasted alive.

tmiddles wrote: A few degrees does make a big difference.

tmiddles wrote: The Earth's temperature has changed over many millions of years of course but isn't it reasonable to worry about a rapid change?

tmiddles wrote: Well a glacier being there and then not there any more is pretty discernible.

tmiddles wrote: But why such a low standard for scientific knowledge?

tmiddles wrote:I can't myself see radiation or viruses but I trust the experts.

tmiddles wrote: IBD dismisses a lot of things. (well ALL THINGS really)

spot wrote: But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

spot wrote: Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science"

spot wrote: surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Why would someone as brilliant as yourself be under the mistaken impression that anything above a laptop would be required?

spot wrote: Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science"

Let me throw that question back at you. If you were to desire to turn the current best "Climate" model into a computer program, how would YOU go about getting that model?

spot wrote: surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

Incorrect. It was the hissing. I think you know exactly why.

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tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote:
....your opinion?

...Why do you think this?

DODGE

This website is called CLIMATE-DEBATE.COM, "Discuss Climate Change", yet ITN/IBD routinely pretend that no one knows what those words mean. That the very title of this website is undefined nonsense.

spot wrote: Why a computer at all why not the back of an envelope and a pencil?

spot wrote: You figured out that all the scientists were wrong it's a pretty extraordinary thing to do I though you would be happy to share more details

spot wrote: I've never single handedly proven a branch of science wrong I will be honest with you I have no idea you would start.

spot wrote:I'm not that smart.

spot wrote: These Climate scientists, did they have names?

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Without going through my whole Global Warming story, I too used to be ( decades ago) onboard with the Church of Global Warming ... until I decided I was going to program my own Climate model and rake all the "deniers" over the coals. I started asking for the science being used by the Climate Scientists so I could code it up. I was expecting the whole network to rush me that science and support my efforts. Instead the backs arched and the hissing started. I was instead treated like I had walked into a Catholic church service asking if I could perform a virgin sacrifice. Reality became very clear to me over those few weeks.

Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

Nothing to model.

What a believable story!

Tell me in detail how do you know there are no climate models?

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

A PC that I built. I ordered the parts, put them together, etc... The case had a neat blacklight that made it look really cool in a dark room. The monitor was smaller than I would have liked but it was on sale for a great price at the time.

It wasn't a Mac if that's what you're asking.

Anything else?

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I built a pc too. What an achievement! But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science" surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

Xadoman wrote: I always thought how such little change in temperature could lead to so bad outcome and was not entirely convinced.

Is that perhaps because you have experienced day turn into night turn into day turn into night again?

The last ice age is estimated to have been about 7C cooler than today.

tmiddles wrote:
The concern about climate change is not that you will personally freeze to death or be roasted alive.

tmiddles wrote:
A few degrees does make a big difference.

tmiddles wrote:
The Earth's temperature has changed over many millions of years of course but isn't it reasonable to worry about a rapid change?

tmiddles wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:
...if there are any such "global" changes that you aren't able to discern them yourself?...

Well a glacier being there and then not there any more is pretty discernible.

tmiddles wrote:
But why such a low standard for scientific knowledge?

tmiddles wrote:
I can't myself see radiation or viruses but I trust the experts.

tmiddles wrote:
At a certain point you have to justify a conspiracy.

tmiddles wrote:
Money is sure an odd motive since big business is not a fan of climate change hysteria.

tmiddles wrote:

montellmartins0007 wrote:
Hello everyone,

Welcome to the board!

IBdaMann wrote:I summarily dismiss Wikipedia.

IBD dismisses a lot of things. (well ALL THINGS really)

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Why would someone as brilliant as yourself be under the mistaken impression that anything above a laptop would be required?

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science"

Let me throw that question back at you. If you were to desire to turn the current best "Climate" model into a computer program, how would YOU go about getting that model?

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Why would someone as brilliant as yourself be under the mistaken impression that anything above a laptop would be required?

spot wrote: Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science"

Let me throw that question back at you. If you were to desire to turn the current best "Climate" model into a computer program, how would YOU go about getting that model?

spot wrote: surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

Incorrect. It was the hissing. I think you know exactly why.

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Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

A PC that I built. I ordered the parts, put them together, etc... The case had a neat blacklight that made it look really cool in a dark room. The monitor was smaller than I would have liked but it was on sale for a great price at the time.

It wasn't a Mac if that's what you're asking.

Anything else?

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I built a pc too. What an achievement! But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science" surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

Science is not computer code. You can't convert science to computer code. You can't convert computer code to science.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: The last ice age is estimated to have been about 7C cooler than today.

It is so estimated by someone who is very unscientifically speculating based on fabricated data.

IBdaMann wrote:
The concern about Climate Change is killing capitalism globally.

IBdaMann wrote:

tmiddles wrote: A few degrees does make a big difference.

Nope. That was the conclusion from observing night turn into day. Many degreees of temperature change make no difference.

IBdaMann wrote:...you have nothing but contempt for those who try to tell you the truth.

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science"

Let me throw that question back at you. If you were to desire to turn the current best "Climate" model into a computer program, how would YOU go about getting that model?

Into the Night wrote:
Define 'climate change.

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote: Why a computer at all why not the back of an envelope and a pencil?

One most certainly could use an envelope or a napkin on which to scribble out a model, but a computer is pretty much a requirement to run a computer program. Let me know if this is getting over your head.
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spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

A PC that I built. I ordered the parts, put them together, etc... The case had a neat blacklight that made it look really cool in a dark room. The monitor was smaller than I would have liked but it was on sale for a great price at the time.

It wasn't a Mac if that's what you're asking.

Anything else?

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I built a pc too. What an achievement! But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science" surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

Science is not computer code. You can't convert science to computer code. You can't convert computer code to science.

Take it up with your mate, mate.

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:

IBdaMann wrote:

spot wrote:So back when you were a believer and approached climate scientists for all the science so you could put it into your home computer.

What computer was it?

A PC that I built. I ordered the parts, put them together, etc... The case had a neat blacklight that made it look really cool in a dark room. The monitor was smaller than I would have liked but it was on sale for a great price at the time.

It wasn't a Mac if that's what you're asking.

Anything else?

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I built a pc too. What an achievement! But if you were going to code all the science I thought you would use a supercomputer like the idiots that you are so much smarter then.

Anyway how did you go about approaching climate scientists for "all the Science" surely they told you to enrole on a course or directed you to some introductory texts not hiss at you.

Science is not computer code. You can't convert science to computer code. You can't convert computer code to science.

Take it up with your mate, mate.

YOU made the statement. I am taking it up with YOU.

spot wrote: No update on how ibdaman put "all the science" into his computer. I thought he would be keen to share the details.

spot wrote:
No update on how ibdaman put "all the science" into his computer. I thought he would be keen to share the details.

tmiddles wrote:

spot wrote:
No update on how ibdaman put "all the science" into his computer. I thought he would be keen to share the details.

Gotta remember Spot that IBD has never put anything on the table. It's like those funny old guys from the muppet show. Audience member only.

Criticizing a position without taking one, though pathetic, is effective. You can pretend you're never wrong if you never actually say anything is right.

spot wrote:
For those that can't remember Saturday IBdaman posted this in reply to a post by Xadoman. It was nothing to do with anything that came previously but It was an incredible tale;

Without going through my whole Global Warming story, I too used to be ( decades ago) onboard with the Church of Global Warming ... until I decided I was going to program my own Climate model and rake all the "deniers" over the coals. I started asking for the science being used by the Climate Scientists so I could code it up. I was expecting the whole network to rush me that science and support my efforts. Instead the backs arched and the hissing started. I was instead treated like I had walked into a Catholic church service asking if I could perform a virgin sacrifice. Reality became very clear to me over those few weeks.

Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

Now what struck me as interesting is that he said he once had a different position to the one he has now and he wanted to help by asking climate scientists to give him science so he could put it on his computer that he built himself with glowing bits. IBdaMann made the claim about putting science on a computer so why now he wants to know how I would do this is puzzling. Nor does he offer any details on how he was to code it up would he use basic, python C++ Fortran or some other method. But he wanted to do this.

Anyway the so called climate scientists would not give him science
Infact they hissed at him like some weird cat human hybrid , I don't know if we are to take that literally but with IBdaMann who can say. More likely if there is any truth to this story he was banned from some forum with better moderation then this one. but that was his "road to Damascus" experience before that he was just a poor fool like us.

Also he invited questions, seems strange that he is reluctant to answer and is posting unfunny unrelated Trump memes instead.

Into the Night wrote:

spot wrote:
For those that can't remember Saturday IBdaman posted this in reply to a post by Xadoman. It was nothing to do with anything that came previously but It was an incredible tale;

Without going through my whole Global Warming story, I too used to be ( decades ago) onboard with the Church of Global Warming ... until I decided I was going to program my own Climate model and rake all the "deniers" over the coals. I started asking for the science being used by the Climate Scientists so I could code it up. I was expecting the whole network to rush me that science and support my efforts. Instead the backs arched and the hissing started. I was instead treated like I had walked into a Catholic church service asking if I could perform a virgin sacrifice. Reality became very clear to me over those few weeks.

Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

Now what struck me as interesting is that he said he once had a different position to the one he has now and he wanted to help by asking climate scientists to give him science so he could put it on his computer that he built himself with glowing bits. IBdaMann made the claim about putting science on a computer so why now he wants to know how I would do this is puzzling. Nor does he offer any details on how he was to code it up would he use basic, python C++ Fortran or some other method. But he wanted to do this.

Anyway the so called climate scientists would not give him science
Infact they hissed at him like some weird cat human hybrid , I don't know if we are to take that literally but with IBdaMann who can say. More likely if there is any truth to this story he was banned from some forum with better moderation then this one. but that was his "road to Damascus" experience before that he was just a poor fool like us.

Also he invited questions, seems strange that he is reluctant to answer and is posting unfunny unrelated Trump memes instead.

Answer what? Why is this important to you?

spot wrote: [IBDaMann] is posting unfunny unrelated Trump memes instead.

spot wrote:
Saturday IBdaman posted ...Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

tmiddles wrote:

spot wrote:
Saturday IBdaman posted ...Ask me how I know that there are no Climate models.

Yeah it's pretty funny seeing IBD pretend that there is a specific area in which he thinks nothing is knowable.

We've already established that ITN/IBD consider the temperature of Denver to be UNKNOWABLE.

I wasted a bunch of time asking, sincerely, they provide an example of something, ANYTHING with a the "valid data set" they claim to believe in before realizing that it was all a joke.

But now we have IBD really spinning a yarn and you caught him spot. He supposedly contacted people, supposedly can give an example of things he successfully modeled on his computer (obviously he wasn't going to confidently do something he'd never done before)

James___ wrote:

tmiddles wrote:...we have IBD really spinning a yarn ...

And yet you told me that you would miss them if they didn't post. And now you are attacking them. Why would you miss people that you attack?