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10-06-2021 05:02
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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gfm7175 wrote:I won't refer to you as such because ...

... because you are a nice guy.
... because you are forgiving.
... because deep down you knew I was in error but were confident that I would realize my mistake. You just wanted to let me work through it myself.

Thank you. I appreciate your patience.

gfm7175 wrote: I'd then be ignoring the fact that I basically did the same thing that you did ...

Nope. Twas I who led you astray, not you leading me astray. The finger still points back to me.

I'll make a concerted effort to be more careful next time.

10-06-2021 06:34
Spongy Iris
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IBdaMann wrote:

Spongy Iris wrote:Dude it was NOT descending.

Look, I have two perspectives to offer you:

1) My Unofficial Response: Yes, s/he is absolutely descending. Look, I realize that in your quest for a bona fide UFO, you are willing to convince yourself of details that were not the case ... because we all love a good story, especially one of our preferred genre. Feel free to just forget that I ever said anything. Nonetheless, go out to a skydiving club jump one of these days and bring yourself up to speed on just how long it takes for those suckers to land. I have taken my children out to watch exactly that and they sat in wonder looking up at the sky, at the divers, batch after batch. It's a great thing you can do for kids ... and for yourself.

You are the one convincing yourself of details that were not the case if you think this is a descending sky diver parachuting from a plane.


2) My Official Response: You have a truly amazing UFO video there. The government needs to see this right away. Humanity should thank its lucky stars that you were there to capture this spectacular and otherwise indescribable event on video. I hate to think just how close we as a species came to missing this monumental event. Spongy Iris, on behalf of everyone everywhere, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

You're welcome



Spongy Iris wrote: I pointed the camera at the same spot for more than 4 minutes.

1) My Unofficial Response: You need a lot more time than that and no, I watched your video and you definitely were not pointing the camera at the same spot the entire time. One thing I like to do is watch los parapentes in Miraflores (Lima), Peru. They fly around and fly around and fly around and fly some more. They aren't very high at all and if you think they go through all that trouble to fly for only four minutes then you really need to get out to a skydivers club and watch them jump. What do you see in this video? (Note the time. Note the low altitude)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_EI-cYltA

In that video, they are paragliding, not parachuting.

Paragliders can stay up for long periods.

Quite soon after I put down the camera, the object moved south. It appeared smaller and difficult to hone in on with a smart phone in broad daylight. I chased it up the nearest hill. In 6 minutes time it had moved south. Then 6 minutes later it disappeared into the horizon out of my range of sight, not landing, but shrinking in size until it could not be seen.

It traveled too far too fast to possibly be a paraglider.

The closest hill to paraglide from, to where this was filmed, is about 10 miles directly north, Mount Diablo, CA. Maximum wind gusts were 10 miles per hour atop Mount Diablo on this afternoon, coming from the north, blowing southward. This low of a wind speed might not even be enough to launch an experienced paraglider off a hillside.


2) My Official Response: You are spot on. There's no way that could be any sort of parachute. You had that camera locked down on that same exact spot for more than four minutes and clearly it wasn't going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the technology used came from somewhere a lot further away than Peru, if you know what I mean.


I was holding a smart phone up, maybe 60 degrees, as still as I could with middle finger and thumb, trying to make sure the object was in view in broad daylight when the screen is actually pretty difficult to see. The angle I was pointing up at barely changed. Please excuse me for not being able to be more still.


Spongy Iris wrote: The movements of the camera were minute.


1) My Unofficial Response:: Think back to your high school geometry. At long distances even minute angular rotation results in a very large positional difference. You nonetheless had a few large camera movements as well as many minute ones.

No large camera movements were made until the very end when I put down the phone.

The minute movements may have appeared large to you, probably because that object was so far away, even minute movements appeared to move its distance on screen by a lot.


2) My Official Response:: You don't have to tell me. Your camera didn't move at all. It was like you had it on a tripod or something. That UFO was just hovering there, doing some funky things. Wow!

Indeed. Did you see how smooth it's spiral maneuver was?? Why don't you try to find me video of a paraglider spiraling that smoothly, filmed from the ground, for more than 4 minutes, from a position as locked down as I was?? You shant find it...

Spongy Iris wrote:Does it look like these sky divers could hover at the same altitude for 4 and a half minutes doing spirals?


1) My Unofficial Response:: You saw the video above, right? Can they fly around for close to fifteen minutes and land at the same altitude at which they took off?

Paragliders can't spiral that smoothly. And even if paragliders can spiral, you couldn't track it's spiral maneuver from the ground with a smart phone, locked on the same position for 5 minutes.

As stated earlier the wind was not strong enough at the time of my video to carry a paraglider as far and fast as this object was seen moving.


2) My Official Response:: You're right, it's just not possible. No one is saying that your UFO is anything other than mesmerizing. I presume you have already contacted ODNI and provided copies of your video, yes?

Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
Washington, DC 20511

Phone Number: 703-733-8600

Once again, great job! Well done.

Nah just YouTube, Blogspot, and a few chat rooms. Thank you sir!





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10-06-2021 08:54
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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Spongy Iris wrote:You are the one convincing yourself of details that were not the case if you think this is a descending sky diver parachuting from a plane.

It's a person with a parachute.

Spongy Iris wrote: In that video, they are paragliding, not parachuting. Paragliders can stay up for long periods.

The principles of paragliding parachutes work exactly the same as skydiving parachutes.

Spongy Iris wrote:Quite soon after I put down the camera, the object moved south.

You saw my video. They can drive around (steer) and go in all different directions ... just not all at the same time.

Spongy Iris wrote:It traveled too far too fast to possibly be a paraglider.

This is a false statement. This is one of those nonexisting details of which you are trying to convince yourself.

Spongy Iris wrote:Please excuse me for not being able to be more still.

You are human. There is only so much that you can do. You did a good job anyway.

Spongy Iris wrote:
IBDaMann wrote:Think back to your high school geometry. At long distances even minute angular rotation results in a very large positional difference.
The minute movements may have appeared large to you, probably because that object was so far away, even minute movements appeared to move its distance on screen by a lot.

Yes, that is what I meant by the geometry reference.

Spongy Iris wrote:Why don't you try to find me video of a paraglider spiraling that smoothly, filmed from the ground, for more than 4 minutes, from a position as locked down as I was??

The ability of paragliders to spiral smoothly is not dependent upon the number of such occasions that were filmed from the ground or upon the number of videos that I can find.

However, I will leave you with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZvMxw1aoo


So allow me to summarize, your UFO video is incredible and I am certain the government will prominently feature it in the annual UFO report. Your video might even serve as the impetus needed to create an Intergovernmental Panel on UFOs (IPUFO).

You rock!


10-06-2021 09:51
Spongy Iris
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Spongy Iris wrote:It traveled too far too fast to possibly be a paraglider.

This is a false statement. This is one of those nonexisting details of which you are trying to convince yourself.

If it was a paraglider, it had to launch in sub par wind conditions, and then fly 10 miles south from Mt Diablo to reach me. This couldn't have happened in less than 2 hours given the wind speed that day, if even possible. Then it stopped just above me, to do spirals in the same spot for 5 minutes. Then it flew further south out of sight disappearing into the horizon in about 12 minutes. Did you hear the wind in my video? Average wind speed was probably less than 5 miles per hour. In about 12 minutes it could not have traveled more than 1 mile south. Where could this paraglider possibly have been going??? Clearly it knows the way to San Jose...


The ability of paragliders to spiral smoothly is not dependent upon the number of such occasions that were filmed from the ground or upon the number of videos that I can find.

However, I will leave you with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pZvMxw1aoo

That is the best video I have seen yet. That must be the most talented paraglider in the world. However, it is only 1 minute long. The paraglider descends alot, and lands. And the spiraling and looping motion is jerky, not smooth.

As I said, you shant find it...




Edited on 10-06-2021 09:52
10-06-2021 17:00
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Spongy Iris wrote:If it was a paraglider, it had to launch in sub par wind conditions, and then fly 10 miles south from Mt Diablo to reach me.

Sky divers have many options, not just the one you mentioned.

Spongy Iris wrote: This couldn't have happened in less than 2 hours given the wind speed that day, if even possible.

... and the earth is warmer than it otherwise should be.

For some reason I have difficulty finding just the right sarcastic response when someone tells me that one of his observations couldn't possibly have happened.

Spongy Iris wrote:Then it stopped just above me, to do spirals in the same spot for 5 minutes.
Spongy Iris wrote: Did you hear the wind in my video?

Yes I heard the wind in your video. Refer back to my parapentes video. There was plenty to provide lift for the parachutist to drive around and around for as long as he wanted.

Spongy Iris wrote: Where could this paraglider possibly have been going??? Clearly it knows the way to San Jose...


In summary, clearly there is interest in San José that piqued whoever was controlling that UFO. I'm certain that what you were witnessing was the area being scanned/surveilled before searching for something of interest in San José. Perhaps this is new Russian or Chinese technology for spying on the US and thankfully you were on watch and were able to catch it in the act ... or this is something alien and there's something going on in San José that the government doesn't want us to know about. Both are distinct possibilities.

10-06-2021 20:43
Spongy Iris
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IBdaMann wrote:


Spongy Iris wrote:If it was a paraglider, it had to launch in sub par wind conditions, and then fly 10 miles south from Mt Diablo to reach me.

Sky divers have many options, not just the one you mentioned.



Well today I confirmed 3 paraglider pilots logged about 60 km each from MT Diablo that day.

I'm trying to contact the 3 of them to see if this thing can't be identified...


10-06-2021 22:43
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Spongy Iris wrote:Well today I confirmed 3 paraglider pilots logged about 60 km each from MT Diablo that day.

You are to be commended.

Spongy Iris wrote:I'm trying to contact the 3 of them to see if this thing can't be identified...

You're trying to contact the 3 of them to see if this person/thing can be identified. You might find that one of the three will tell you that it is s/he. Remember to ask about the color of the parachute.

Good luck in your research. Keep me posted.

11-06-2021 03:22
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Paraglider might be an option, but there are a lot of other ultralight and experimental personal planes. Flying cars have been in the works for a while, getting close to going commercial. With the drone hobby, there have been quite a few attempts to making ride-on versions (little insane). These stories come up on HackAday.com occasionally.

Wind speed and direction changes with altitude. Even 40-50 feet can mean some radical changes. i do time lapse sunset videos almost daily. I've got some, with clouds traveling from three different directions, all at the same time.
11-06-2021 05:03
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HarveyH55 wrote:Paraglider might be an option, but there are a lot of other ultralight and experimental personal planes.

Harvey, have you watched This Video in full screen? I'm just wondering if you had a chance to look at it in full size.

I am familiar with ultralights ... but this is clearly a standard, vanilla, parajumper who is enjoying a standard jump.

I asked my son to look at the video and tell me what he was looking at. I covered up the title. He had no problem identifying it as parachute. I'd love to claim a medal for being a pattern-recognition genius but in this case it's pretty obvious.

I'm sure Spongy Iris will meet with success in finding which jumper he filmed.

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