Study: Global Warming Hiatus Attributed to Redistribution

"The amount of heat absent from the atmosphere, which caused the global warming 'hiatus,' was extremely small compared to the amount of heat that was added to the ocean in the same time period," says Boyer.

James_ wrote:
This is funny. Funny in as funny as it gets. Check the graph out. It seems to agree with the Greenland Sea abyss. Warming of the atmosphere has about stopped but warming of the oceans hasn't.
There is no agreement between the 2, why it's funny as all hell. They also go on to say

"The amount of heat absent from the atmosphere, which caused the global warming 'hiatus,' was extremely small compared to the amount of heat that was added to the ocean in the same time period," says Boyer.

Maybe the heat has always been there and they didn't notice it until they observed a global warming hiatus ?

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"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: It's not possible to determine...

Into the Night wrote:

James_ wrote:
This is funny. Funny in as funny as it gets. Check the graph out. It seems to agree with the Greenland Sea abyss. Warming of the atmosphere has about stopped but warming of the oceans hasn't.
There is no agreement between the 2, why it's funny as all hell. They also go on to say

"The amount of heat absent from the atmosphere, which caused the global warming 'hiatus,' was extremely small compared to the amount of heat that was added to the ocean in the same time period," says Boyer.

Maybe the heat has always been there and they didn't notice it until they observed a global warming hiatus ?

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More random numbers coming from NOAA.

It's not possible to determine the temperature of Earth. It is not possible to determine the temperature of the ocean. We just don't have sufficient instrumentation to even begin a statistical analysis.

James_ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:
More random numbers coming from NOAA.

It's not possible to determine the temperature of Earth. It is not possible to determine the temperature of the ocean. We just don't have sufficient instrumentation to even begin a statistical analysis.

ItN,
Maybe you don't like science ?

James_ wrote:
We have sufficient instrumentation.

James_ wrote:
What we might not have are the financial resources to map the thermal temperatures of our oceans.

James_ wrote:
The numbers given weren't random.

James_ wrote:
I am surprised however that you ignored the fact that the laws of thermal dynamics do not allow for the atmosphere to have a fairly constant temperature

James_ wrote:
while the oceans have warmed significantly.

James_ wrote:
The graph shows what is considered Maxwell's Demon https://www.auburn.edu/~smith01/notes/maxdem.htm. Maxwell used gases as an example.


Jim

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

gasguzzler,
ItN only wants to mess with people. I think science is too complex for him. To let you know, a satellite can determine how much emissivity the surface of the oceans has.
We probably need to collect more data on currents and temperatures below the surface. This could help to identify any thermal vents or deep faults that are releasing a significant amount of heat.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

gasguzzler,
ItN only wants to mess with people. I think science is too complex for him. To let you know, a satellite can determine how much emissivity the surface of the oceans has.
We probably need to collect more data on currents and temperatures below the surface. This could help to identify any thermal vents or deep faults that are releasing a significant amount of heat.

Sure, but anyone claiming to know the average temp of the oceans is clearly full of hooey.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

gasguzzler,
ItN only wants to mess with people. I think science is too complex for him. To let you know, a satellite can determine how much emissivity the surface of the oceans has.

James_ wrote:
We probably need to collect more data on currents and temperatures below the surface. This could help to identify any thermal vents or deep faults that are releasing a significant amount of heat.

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

gasguzzler,
ItN only wants to mess with people. I think science is too complex for him. To let you know, a satellite can determine how much emissivity the surface of the oceans has.
We probably need to collect more data on currents and temperatures below the surface. This could help to identify any thermal vents or deep faults that are releasing a significant amount of heat.

Sure, but anyone claiming to know the average temp of the oceans is clearly full of hooey.

And yet somehow your computer is reliable. It converts frequencies into the spin of a cluster so it can store information. Checkout spintronics. [url]https://newatlas.com/first-plastic-spintronic-computer-memory-device/15989/ [/url] That requires much greater detail than observing the average ocean surface temperature.

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

Yep, just wanted a bit wider area with a high buoy count to show the consistency of the inconsistency.

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

Yep, just wanted a bit wider area with a high buoy count to show the consistency of the inconsistency.

Quite right. Thanks for looking it up.

James_ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

Yep, just wanted a bit wider area with a high buoy count to show the consistency of the inconsistency.

Quite right. Thanks for looking it up.

You two are funny. 80.2 + 81.9 = 162.1
162.1 ÷ 2 = 81.05. That's AVERAGE temperature. How do you get an average ? By adding all of the different temperatures together and then dividing. You have shown that the data is being collected.
I'm surprised gasguzzler that you'd make such a basic mistake. It seems like ItN you only wish to be contrary.

James_ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

Yep, just wanted a bit wider area with a high buoy count to show the consistency of the inconsistency.

Quite right. Thanks for looking it up.

You two are funny. 80.2 + 81.9 = 162.1
162.1 ÷ 2 = 81.05. That's AVERAGE temperature. How do you get an average ? By adding all of the different temperatures together and then dividing. You have shown that the data is being collected.
I'm surprised gasguzzler that you'd make such a basic mistake. It seems like ItN you only wish to be contrary.

GasGuzzler wrote:

James_ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote: ...the oceans have warmed significantly....

James, like it or not ITN is dead right about this. There is no way to determine the average ocean temperature. This was at 2:30 this afternoon in the southern tip of Florida. Notice the water temps varying by 2+ degrees over a 35 mile stretch? Now tell me how we possibly have enough data to claim we know the entire ocean temps. No way.

The gradient is even worse than that. Look at the two buoys at Key Largo and the one just west of it by about five miles. They read 81.9 and 80.2, respectively. That's a difference of 1.7 degF over five miles.

Yep, just wanted a bit wider area with a high buoy count to show the consistency of the inconsistency.

Quite right. Thanks for looking it up.

You two are funny. 80.2 + 81.9 = 162.1
162.1 ÷ 2 = 81.05. That's AVERAGE temperature. How do you get an average ? By adding all of the different temperatures together and then dividing. You have shown that the data is being collected.
I'm surprised gasguzzler that you'd make such a basic mistake. It seems like ItN you only wish to be contrary.

James,
If all the temp reading were within .1 I might be inclined to say that your average was approaching accuracy....for the southern tip of Florida ocean surface temps.

What is the temp 2 ft down? 3ft? 10ft? 50....10,000 ft?
This particular area has a relatively high buoy reading density, and I've simply shown the high level of variation over a short distance of surface water temperatures.
To say that global ocean average temps are rising is more ridiculous than saying Greenman is of sound mind.

James wrote:....If the ocean has been warming.....

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner & many time threatener gazzzed & guzzzling" gushed:... over 35,000 ft deep! I'm not going down there for a reading!

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:....If the ocean has been warming.....

James, you've got to stop right there. You're getting ahead of yourself. First tell us how the entire ocean temp is measured accurately, before telling us that the temp is rising. I say there's no way, but happy to look at any claim otherwise.

I showed temp variation of 2+ degrees over 35 miles...on the surface. The Pacific Ocean is ~10,000 MILES WIDE, and at some points over 35,000 ft deep! I'm not going down there for a reading!

GasGuzzler wrote:
before telling us that the temp is rising.

GasGuzzler wrote:
I say there's no way, but happy to look at any claim otherwise.

James_ wrote:
gasguzzler,
The only thing you and ItN is being is difficult. Neither of you get it because of that. If the ocean has been warming since the atmosphere slowed it's warming enough for it to be considered a pause, what is pumping the heat into the oceans ?

James_ wrote:
Maxwell has demonstrated with his "demon" that thermodynamics is being violated.

James_ wrote:
And as I said, if by monitoring the oceans surface temperature an area of warming is noticed then that warming can be followed to it's source.

James_ wrote:
There are buoys in the ocean for monitoring surface temperature. More may be needed since they will flow with the current on the surface.

James_ wrote:
This is where looking for places on the surface that either warm or cool before other areas would be important. With thermohaline circulation temperatures would be fairly constant unless something happens to change them.

James_ wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

James wrote:....If the ocean has been warming.....

James, you've got to stop right there. You're getting ahead of yourself. First tell us how the entire ocean temp is measured accurately, before telling us that the temp is rising. I say there's no way, but happy to look at any claim otherwise.

I showed temp variation of 2+ degrees over 35 miles...on the surface. The Pacific Ocean is ~10,000 MILES WIDE, and at some points over 35,000 ft deep! I'm not going down there for a reading!

gasguzzler,
What was my quote that you used ? If the ocean has been warming.
And what are you saying ?

GasGuzzler wrote:
before telling us that the temp is rising.

I never said it was rising. I said IF it was.
And yet you say

GasGuzzler wrote:
I say there's no way, but happy to look at any claim otherwise.

You haven't been willing to consider NOAA's claim. I did mention that it violates the laws of thermodynamics.
And all you want to do is play games like ItN does. I see you have learned from him. If you want to argue with someone over nothing why not try politics ? That's not based on anything but an opinion.

James_ wrote:
@All,
What ItN and gasguzzler are ignoring because they want to argue with someone is this,

NOAA will be found to be in agreement with the IPCC when they say that there has been minimal atmospheric warming since 1998.

James_ wrote:
And during this time co2 levels have continued to rise

James_ wrote:
while ozone depletion has about stopped.

James_ wrote:
That's the picture the graph in my 1st post helps to paint.

Into the Night wrote:

You then went on to describe the ocean temperature is rising, the atmospheric is rising, and that the ozone layer is being depleted.

You're a liar.

James_ wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

You then went on to describe the ocean temperature is rising, the atmospheric is rising, and that the ozone layer is being depleted.

You're a liar.

You falsified me as a person.

James_ wrote:
Since I am falsified I do not matter, my existence does not matter. And I cannot die since I do not exist. And since I neither exist or am I cannot lie as I cannot stand. This is because I am not.

James_ wrote:
ItN, your ignorant rants do get old.

James_ wrote:
You've said you dislike Europeans because of what they did to Native Americans. What more needs to be said for why you wish to be contrary and argumentative ?

James_ wrote:
And ItN, like gasguzzler you're only looking to argue with someone. I mean really.

James_ wrote:
gasguzzler said the station in Michigan has shown no atmospheric warming.

James_ wrote:
I show something from NOAA and the IPCC that agrees with that and then like you he attacks me personally.

James_ wrote:
That kind of suggests it's a waste of time posting with either of you because you both like circular arguments

James_ wrote:
where you can play mind games with someone.

James_ wrote:
And ItN, the graph pretty much agrees with what I have been considering.

James_ wrote:
The waring of our oceans which the graph says is happening can be caused by hydrothermal vents and deep faults in or on the sea floor.

James_ wrote:
at the mment I am not discussing that but the claim that NOAA, the IPCC and you have made, that our Sun can warm our oceans without warming our atmosphere.

James_ wrote:
Won't happen, thermodynamics doesn't allow for that.

James_ wrote:
And ItN, you might as well put aside your hatred for white people. You're wasting your life thinking you're doing something for Native Americans when you're in here being nothing more than a problem.

James_ wrote: ItN,.... In my opinion you are racist.

litesong wrote:

James_ wrote: ItN,.... In my opinion you are racist.

James.... Ah, what part of the name, "old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight", told you it was racist?

James_ wrote:
ItN,
In my opinion you are racist. After all many Native Americans are living on reservations or just dislike living in a way that allows for more people to have a life.
A lot of what you post has nothing to do with discussing anything. It could be your way of falsifying someone, ie., Make them a non person by using your education in philosophy to rationalize that they are not capable of thinking which means I do not think, therefore I am not. Your responses to people in my opinion nullifies their existence in your mind.

James_ wrote:
This is funny. Funny in as funny as it gets. Check the graph out. It seems to agree with the Greenland Sea abyss. Warming of the atmosphere has about stopped but warming of the oceans hasn't.
There is no agreement between the 2, why it's funny as all hell. They also go on to say

"The amount of heat absent from the atmosphere, which caused the global warming 'hiatus,' was extremely small compared to the amount of heat that was added to the ocean in the same time period," says Boyer.

Maybe the heat has always been there and they didn't notice it until they observed a global warming hiatus ?

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/study-global-warming-hiatus-attributed-redistribution

"old sick silly sleepy sleezy slimy steenkin' filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AGW denier liar whiner badnight" bluffed: You're a liar.....

Tim the plumber wrote:

James_ wrote:
This is funny. Funny in as funny as it gets. Check the graph out. It seems to agree with the Greenland Sea abyss. Warming of the atmosphere has about stopped but warming of the oceans hasn't.
There is no agreement between the 2, why it's funny as all hell. They also go on to say

"The amount of heat absent from the atmosphere, which caused the global warming 'hiatus,' was extremely small compared to the amount of heat that was added to the ocean in the same time period," says Boyer.

Maybe the heat has always been there and they didn't notice it until they observed a global warming hiatus ?

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/study-global-warming-hiatus-attributed-redistribution

Given that a 200ZJ adding of heat to the ocean will produce a 0.2c rise in temperature, assuming it is spread over the top 700m of ocean, that would be easily detectable.

There has been no such large general rise in ocean temperatures.

Thus bollocks.