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So what if the Chinese fossil fuel industry pays me to spread lies about greenhouse gas?08-11-2019 23:26
Tai Hai Chen
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYFbXJKJ8U
09-11-2019 00:12
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Tai Hai Chen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYFbXJKJ8U



You need to remember that GasGuzzler and HarveyH55 have proven through extensive testing and experimentation that eating beans and pulling fingers causes GHGs to occur.

https://youtu.be/lo_6f5__ebY
09-11-2019 05:25
HarveyH55
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Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.
09-11-2019 16:50
spot
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
09-11-2019 20:09
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using infrared emitted from Earth's surface.

To do that such a magick substance would have to create energy out of nothing. It would be a perpetual motion machine of the 1st order.

Air is normally heated by the surface due to contact with the surface (conductive heating). It can also be heated by the surface using radiant heating. The surface is cooled by heating the air in both cases.

All air also radiates according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. It's 'surface' is everywhere, since it's a gas. Warmer air radiates more.

The Church of Global Warming targets CO2 because they want to attack industry, and capitalism with it. Remember, the Church of Global Warming stems from the Church of Green, which in turn stems from the Church of Karl Marx.

It's all about trying to scare people into socialism.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 09-11-2019 20:13
09-11-2019 20:14
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using IR emitted from Earth's surface.


The Parrot Killer
09-11-2019 20:35
spot
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Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using IR emitted from Earth's surface.


And you are not the boss of me if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so (and so will everyone else who is informed and sane), who made you word boss?


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
09-11-2019 20:44
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spot wrote: And you are not the boss of me if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so

Spot! Man is it so totally awesome to have you return and grace us with your posting presence!

You tell 'em, tiger. And don't let them tell you that you can't call a greenhouse an electrical charge that has a net change in its distribution of gas molecules. You are all over this total semantic situation!


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-11-2019 20:52
spot
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IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote: And you are not the boss of me if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so

Spot! Man is it so totally awesome to have you return and grace us with your posting presence!

You tell 'em, tiger. And don't let them tell you that you can't call a greenhouse an electrical charge that has a net change in its distribution of gas molecules. You are all over this total semantic situation!


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Its not semantics look it up. Hint; just because you don't understand something does not make it a trick.

Are you in the same extinction rebellion cell as ITN BTW?


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
09-11-2019 21:07
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spot wrote:Its not semantics look it up. Hint; just because you don't understand something does not make it a trick.

Are you in the same extinction rebellion cell as ITN BTW?

Spot! You totally rock. I bet your mother has an easy time keeping you entertained at your birthday parties. She can just hire a carnival magician to tie CO2 baloons into little climates that increase in temperature under the heat lamp and tell you and your little friends that you can save the climate by avoiding CO2 ... and then hand out CO2-free climate baloons.


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-11-2019 21:27
spot
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IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote:Its not semantics look it up. Hint; just because you don't understand something does not make it a trick.

Are you in the same extinction rebellion cell as ITN BTW?

Spot! You totally rock. I bet your mother has an easy time keeping you entertained at your birthday parties. She can just hire a carnival magician to tie CO2 baloons into little climates that increase in temperature under the heat lamp and tell you and your little friends that you can save the climate by avoiding CO2 ... and then hand out CO2-free climate baloons.


.


Are you trying to be clever and funny?

Its not working.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
09-11-2019 22:07
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spot wrote:Are you trying to be clever and funny? Its not working.

Don't waste your time trying. You'll notice that with Marxism, your sense of humor is the first thing to go. The ability to think for yourself atrophied soon thereafter.

But you'll always be a person. It's just that when the day comes that you pass away, no one will have any way to tell. Have you seen your brain-dead definition of "greenhouse gas"?


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Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
09-11-2019 22:16
spot
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IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote:Are you trying to be clever and funny? Its not working.

Don't waste your time trying. You'll notice that with Marxism, your sense of humor is the first thing to go. The ability to think for yourself atrophied soon thereafter.

But you'll always be a person. It's just that when the day comes that you pass away, no one will have any way to tell. Have you seen your brain-dead definition of "greenhouse gas"?


.


I bet you pass before me I'm Gen X and your retired. And Groucho Marx was cracking jokes till the end.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
09-11-2019 23:18
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spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using IR emitted from Earth's surface.


And you are not the boss of me

Never said I was. I you want to make your case though, you are going to have to find a way to describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law. If you are going to talk about 'climate change', you should really try to define it first.
spot wrote:
if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so (and so will everyone else who is informed and sane), who made you word boss?

Can't do it, eh?


The Parrot Killer
09-11-2019 23:21
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote:Are you trying to be clever and funny? Its not working.

Don't waste your time trying. You'll notice that with Marxism, your sense of humor is the first thing to go. The ability to think for yourself atrophied soon thereafter.

But you'll always be a person. It's just that when the day comes that you pass away, no one will have any way to tell. Have you seen your brain-dead definition of "greenhouse gas"?


.


I bet you pass before me I'm Gen X and your retired. And Groucho Marx was cracking jokes till the end.


Irrelevant.

Define 'climate change'. Define 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.


The Parrot Killer
09-11-2019 23:26
spot
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Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using IR emitted from Earth's surface.


And you are not the boss of me

Never said I was. I you want to make your case though, you are going to have to find a way to describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law. If you are going to talk about 'climate change', you should really try to define it first.
spot wrote:
if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so (and so will everyone else who is informed and sane), who made you word boss?

Can't do it, eh?


Are you a real person or a bot?


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
10-11-2019 06:18
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spot wrote:I bet you pass before me I'm Gen X and your retired.

Spot, I don't want to sound like the emperor but it is you who is mistaken about a great many things. Nonetheless, I hope your life is long and fruitful. If you can outlast me then more power to you. You would be advised to not thwart your efforts in that regard by killing humanity in the name of saving it from the evil Global Warming.

spot wrote: And Groucho Marx was cracking jokes till the end.

So was the Joker.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
10-11-2019 10:26
spot
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IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote:I bet you pass before me I'm Gen X and your retired.

Spot, I don't want to sound like the emperor but it is you who is mistaken about a great many things. Nonetheless, I hope your life is long and fruitful. If you can outlast me then more power to you. You would be advised to not thwart your efforts in that regard by killing humanity in the name of saving it from the evil Global Warming.

spot wrote: And Groucho Marx was cracking jokes till the end.

So was the Joker.


Is the Joker dead? He keeps coming back to life. I'm mistaken about you bering old? What job do you have that let's you patrol the internet asking everyone "what is climate?" and "the earth's temperature cannot be measured. All day every day?


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
10-11-2019 20:15
keepit
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IBDM and ITN,
Is it true that you are both Boltzman brains that formed in a way that had several inaccurate beliefs?
10-11-2019 22:29
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spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
Into the Night wrote:
spot wrote:
HarveyH55 wrote:
Aren't all gasses, GHGs, to some extent? Climate Change is only concerned with the ones that can be taxed and controlled, screwing up everyone's lives.


No Monatomic and Diatomic molecules do not act as greenhouse gasses.


There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth using IR emitted from Earth's surface.


And you are not the boss of me

Never said I was. I you want to make your case though, you are going to have to find a way to describe 'greenhouse effect' without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law. If you are going to talk about 'climate change', you should really try to define it first.
spot wrote:
if I want to call gas molecules that have a net change in the distribution of their electrical charges when they vibrate a greenhouse gas then I will continue to do so (and so will everyone else who is informed and sane), who made you word boss?

Can't do it, eh?


Are you a real person or a bot?

You just failed the Turing test. YALIF.


The Parrot Killer
10-11-2019 22:33
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
IBdaMann wrote:
spot wrote:I bet you pass before me I'm Gen X and your retired.

Spot, I don't want to sound like the emperor but it is you who is mistaken about a great many things. Nonetheless, I hope your life is long and fruitful. If you can outlast me then more power to you. You would be advised to not thwart your efforts in that regard by killing humanity in the name of saving it from the evil Global Warming.

spot wrote: And Groucho Marx was cracking jokes till the end.

So was the Joker.


...deleted irrelevant material...What job do you have that let's you patrol the internet asking everyone "what is climate?"

'Climate' has a definition. It is a subjective word describing types of prevalent weather, such as 'desert climate', 'tropical climate', 'marine climate', etc. It has not quantifiable value and is not made of up any quantifiable values.

So it can't change. There is no quantify to change.

There is no such thing as a 'global' climate.

Define 'climate change'.

spot wrote:
and "the earth's temperature cannot be measured. All day every day?

No. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have enough thermometers. This is where you start denying mathematics again.


The Parrot Killer
Edited on 10-11-2019 22:34
10-11-2019 22:35
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
IBDM and ITN,
Is it true that you are both Boltzman brains that formed in a way that had several inaccurate beliefs?

YALIFNAP


The Parrot Killer
10-11-2019 22:54
keepit
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What is YALIFNAP?
10-11-2019 23:00
spot
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keepit wrote:
What is YALIFNAP?


I think he made that one up to sound down with the kids.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
10-11-2019 23:05
keepit
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IBDM,
Air is not a blackbody because it does not absorb all frequencies of radiation. You can look it up on Wikipedia.
10-11-2019 23:08
keepit
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Spot,
I like to deal with them on my own terms. Some of their communication is just a rabbit hole.
11-11-2019 01:00
spot
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keepit wrote:
Spot,
I like to deal with them on my own terms. Some of their communication is just a rabbit hole.


The rabbits in allice and wonder land are not as mad as that pair.


IBdaMann wrote:
"Air" is not a body in and of itself. Ergo it is not a blackbody.


Planck's law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T.
11-11-2019 03:45
keepit
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spot,
I don't understand them at all. Every theory i have doesn't quite hold water.
11-11-2019 03:45
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
What is YALIFNAP?

Question already answered...again. RQAA.


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:46
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
keepit wrote:
What is YALIFNAP?


I think he made that one up to sound down with the kids.

Nah. To talk down to YOU.


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
IBDM,
Air is not a blackbody because it does not absorb all frequencies of radiation. You can look it up on Wikipedia.


Wikipedia summarily dismissed as a source. You can't use that source with either me, gfm, or IBdaMann.

All masses emit blackbody radiance. Even air.


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:48
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
Spot,
I like to deal with them on my own terms. Some of their communication is just a rabbit hole.


Inversion fallacy. RDCF.


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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spot wrote:
keepit wrote:
Spot,
I like to deal with them on my own terms. Some of their communication is just a rabbit hole.


The rabbits in allice and wonder land are not as mad as that pair.

YALIFNAP


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:49
Into the NightProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote:
spot,
I don't understand them at all. Every theory i have doesn't quite hold water.

RDCF. RQAA.


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 03:53
keepit
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ITN,
I don't have a clue what these acronyms are but i am curious.
11-11-2019 18:42
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keepit wrote:
ITN,
I don't have a clue what these acronyms are but i am curious.

Repittitious Question Already Answered (RQAA).


The Parrot Killer
11-11-2019 19:48
keepit
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OK, got it.
11-11-2019 23:12
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spot wrote:Is the Joker dead?

Who can really say?

spot wrote: I'm mistaken about you bering old?

Do you have children?

spot wrote: What job do you have that let's you patrol the internet asking everyone "what is climate?"

A very good one, that pays very well.

.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
11-11-2019 23:15
IBdaMannProfile picture★★★★★
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keepit wrote: IBDM and ITN,
Is it true that you are both Boltzman brains that formed in a way that had several inaccurate beliefs?

What are your thoughts on the "Boltzmann Brain" though experiment? Are there any underlying problems?

.


Global Warming: The preferred religion of the scientifically illiterate.

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

When the alt-physics birds sing about "indivisible bodies," we've got pure BS. - VernerHornung

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD. - tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin. - trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"! - Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist
12-11-2019 00:16
keepit
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IBDM,
I haven't heard of a problem. I'm afraid my thoughts on the subject aren't very smart.
From what i know, the theory is that it is more likely that some sort of a brain would form spontaneously without the need for a universe, than the likelihood of a universe occurring and then that universe evolving a brain or brains.
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