Mayo

keepit wrote: The CEO of the Mayo clinic was just on CNBC emphasizing that social distancing is working. Keep it up.

keepit wrote:
The CEO of the Mayo clinic was just on CNBC emphasizing that social distancing is working. Keep it up.

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote: The CEO of the Mayo clinic was just on CNBC emphasizing that social distancing is working. Keep it up.

Question: Why are streetlights installed on city streets?
Answer: To keep the elephants away.
Response: That's silly, there are no elephants on city streets.
Answer: The street lights work. That's why they installed them.

HarveyH55 wrote:
How are they monitoring social distancing? Are they watching, hiding in the bushes? Are there heath cameras everywhere? I've made no effort to social distance. I don't general get that close, but I've crossed that 6 foot limit many times. Even had physical contact with a few women at work last week. I trust my instincts, and I'm not deathly afraid to catch a cold. From what I'm seeing on the news, doesn't appear that all that many people are practicing either, but it may just be a Florida thing. Is it really social distancing, or the virus just running it's natural course?

keepit wrote:
ITN,
The Mayo Clinic is a most valid source, with the exception of you ITN, our most valid source.

keepit wrote:
The CEO of the Mayo Clinic says it is social distancing.
What's the problem Harvey?

keepit wrote: The CEO of the Mayo Clinic says it is social distancing.
What's the problem Harvey?

IBdaMann wrote:

keepit wrote: The CEO of the Mayo Clinic says it is social distancing.
What's the problem Harvey?

keepit, I just need to know if you honestly believe that the CEO of the Mayo Clinic is somehow NOT under immense pressure to toe a particular narrative.


Please tell me that you gullibly believe that there are no future funding issues at play here so that I can give you the benefit of the doubt.


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keepit wrote:
IBDM,
You have so many suspicions going on that it is hard to communicate with you.
Most medical people are dedicated to their profession and very singleminded.

keepit wrote: IBDM, You have so many suspicions going on ...

keepit wrote: Most medical people are dedicated to their profession and very singleminded.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I haven't personally changed a thing. I probably would keep to myself, if I felt a cold or something coming on. People I know and trust, would likely do the same., so it doesn't bother me to be closer than 6 feet, or even touch them. Mostly though, this virus doesn't worry me anymore than the season cold and flu viruses. It would suck for a few days, but a week later, it would be an unpleasant memory. I'm in good health, no meds, and never had a problem fighting off an infection. I don't enjoy catching a cold, but it's a short term nuisance.

HarveyH55 wrote:
... I'm guess there are a whole lot of infected people, who don't qualify to be tested.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
... I'm guess there are a whole lot of infected people, who don't qualify to be tested.

Yes I'm guessing if you tested the whole planet right now with a completely reliable test we'd find that the number infected is surprising.

But getting back to this Big Government bossy directive and whether or not we should say they are wrong:

Don't you find the news reports from New York and Italy credible that the hospitals have been overwhelmed?

Do you think social distancing and the prevention of social gathering should be policy? This is the government forcing restaurants to close! sports are on hold, and so on.

I think they totally got it right. That a virus spreads from person to person and we are in the middle of a difficult situation that would have been 10 times the nightmare if we'd done nothing.

I believe that the doctors know what they are talking about on this one.

You and I are a critical part of that process. If you don't believe it and run around telling people it's BS, and you're wrong, the consequences are devastating.

Good example:
The 1885 Montreal Smallpox Epidemic

The French half of Montreal had a number of leaders come out against vaccination. The results, for the French in Montreal, were horrendous.

HarveyH55 wrote:
I think it should have been voluntary....

HarveyH55 wrote:Italy, New York, and a few other places are hot, and having troubles, because they are packed full of people.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I think it should have been voluntary....

Why is it you hold your own opinion higher than those who are experts in the field?

tmiddles wrote:
I would understand it if you had something you found compelling that called their advice into question.

tmiddles wrote:
Like the "Anti Vaxers" had the now discredited study from some dufuss linking vaccines to Autism. At least that was something they waved around.

tmiddles wrote:
You seem to set aside expert advice on a whim.

tmiddles wrote:
Where is your argument?

tmiddles wrote:
What are you basing your violently antisocial position on?

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:Italy, New York, and a few other places are hot, and having troubles, because they are packed full of people.

You just made that up! Like you were spit balling story ideas. What you just said is totally fabricated from nothing.

tmiddles wrote:
I could do that too.

"Well you see New York and Italy are having problems because people there are huggers,

tmiddles wrote:
and well you get the flue from hugging especially.

tmiddles wrote:
That's what I say for no reason."

tmiddles wrote:
Every city in the world is packed with people. All of them.

tmiddles wrote:
Italy is actually far less densely populated than a lot of places.
Bergamo is the town most affected by the COVID-19 epidemic,

Density of Bergamo Italy: 3,000/km2

Densisty of Seoul South Korea:
16,000/km2

tmiddles wrote:
What are you basing your BS on? Apparently nothing at all.

tmiddles wrote:
It's not funny or cute. You're an active threat to the lives of others.

tmiddles wrote:




That is the city hardest hit in Italy.

"Due to the shortage of resources , a triage of the patients to be intubated was needed, based on data such as age, presence of comorbidity, degree of respiratory failure severity, and life expectancy."

tmiddles wrote:
It's not funny or cute. You're an active threat to the lives of others.

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
I haven't personally changed a thing. I probably would keep to myself, if I felt a cold or something coming on. People I know and trust, would likely do the same., so it doesn't bother me to be closer than 6 feet, or even touch them. Mostly though, this virus doesn't worry me anymore than the season cold and flu viruses. It would suck for a few days, but a week later, it would be an unpleasant memory. I'm in good health, no meds, and never had a problem fighting off an infection. I don't enjoy catching a cold, but it's a short term nuisance.

I take it you've come to the conclusiong that Covid19 is not any worse than the usual cold or flu? Based on what?

Safe to say none of us have "gone into the lab after a buddy told us some stuff" on this one.

My conclusion is based on the consensus of information provided like this:
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/18/21184992/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-chart


Then of course there is the drama in New York. Think that's a hoax or something? Boris Johnson faking it too?

So why do you have this contrarian view Harvey?

I can't find anything at all that supports your conclusion.

Maybe IBD knows about something on INFOWARS or another source he trusts?

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote:
... I'm guess there are a whole lot of infected people, who don't qualify to be tested.

Yes I'm guessing if you tested the whole planet right now with a completely reliable test we'd find that the number infected is surprising.

tmiddles wrote:
But getting back to this Big Government bossy directive and whether or not we should say they are wrong:

tmiddles wrote:
Don't you find the news reports from New York and Italy credible that the hospitals have been overwhelmed?

tmiddles wrote:
Do you think social distancing and the prevention of social gathering should be policy?

tmiddles wrote:
This is the government forcing restaurants to close! sports are on hold, and so on.

tmiddles wrote:
I think they totally got it right.

tmiddles wrote:
That a virus spreads from person to person

tmiddles wrote:
and we are in the middle of a difficult situation that would have been 10 times the nightmare if we'd done nothing.

tmiddles wrote:
I believe that the doctors know what they are talking about on this one.

tmiddles wrote:
You and I are a critical part of that process.

tmiddles wrote:
If you don't believe it and run around telling people it's BS, and you're wrong, the consequences are devastating.

tmiddles wrote:
Good example:
The 1885 Montreal Smallpox Epidemic
The French half of Montreal had a number of leaders come out against vaccination. The results, for the French in Montreal, were horrendous.

HarveyH55 wrote:...I am an active threat, but most people are smart enough not to provoke...

Into the Night wrote:
Vox is not a valid source. Random numbers.

Into the Night wrote:What the governors of these States are doing is wrong.

Into the Night wrote:New York is not overwhelmed.

Into the Night wrote:Nope. The virus cannot be stopped with 6 foot distance, paper masks, nitril gloves, closing businesses down, etc. What stops a virus is the immune system, UV exposure, certain chemicals, etc.

gfm7175 wrote:
Does being an "expert in the field" somehow "make holy" the reasoning of an argument? If so, then describe precisely how this works.

gfm7175 wrote:
Many times I DO. Often enough, ...

gfm7175 wrote:
Italy has shitty health care. They have lots of old people. They have lots of people with preexisting conditions. Not everybody is Italy.

tmiddles wrote:
This is no different than people selfishly not getting vaccinated. You're not doing it for yourself if you're strong and healthy you are doing it for the populations health compromised. But get educated yourself Harvey. You attitude and ignorance is reprehensible.

tmiddles wrote:
Harvey on the other hand is at home and only has the information we are getting from that doctor. Along with you and I.

So if he is alleging some hoax/plot/incompetence that should cause us to discount this information let's have it.

HarveyH55 wrote: Why should it matter, whether I get vaccinated, or not/

HarveyH55 wrote: Who am I going to infect? Someone else that decide to go without?

HarveyH55 wrote: I'm not stress, scared, or worried about it.

GasGuzzler wrote:
A few years back I cut my forearm quite nicely with a 4" Dewalt grinder with a 6" cutoff wheel on it. Whoops.

Anyway, when she (the doc) was finishing sewing me up, she asked, "have you had your flu shot yet this year?"

I quickly shot back, "Have you had yours?"

Caught her off guard, but then she leaned in close and real quiet...and I quote....

"You couldn't pay me enough to put that shit in my body."

tmiddles wrote:

HarveyH55 wrote: Why should it matter, whether I get vaccinated, or not/

You are simply uniformed on why vaccinations are important and effective. YOU are not vaccinated the population is. If you don't do your part you're just a selfish member of the population not will to do their part. If enough people get vaccinated then a disease is not able to spread through the population. This saves the lives of not you or I, the healthy members of the population, but the young, old and ill who cannot get vaccinated at all or for whom getting ill is life threatening.

Do you understand that?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/partners/childhood/matte-articles-5-reasons.html

"Vaccines have reduced and, in some cases, eliminated many diseases that killed or severely disabled people just a few generations ago."

It's a group effort. Some people can't participate. Others are just stupid, selfish or insane and choose not too.

What happens if the moron ratio tips too far? Ask the "anti vaxers" responsible for measles outbreaks in 2019
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6657116/

HarveyH55 wrote: Who am I going to infect? Someone else that decide to go without?

Or someone who couldn't get vaccinated Harvey. In the case of Covid-19 of course there is no vaccine so you could get anyone sick.

A good friend of mine just went into remission from leukemia. She will likely die if she gets Covid-19. Normal healthy people at low risk of having a serious issue, being careful now, will help to protect her.

HarveyH55 wrote: I'm not stress, scared, or worried about it.

That you don't care is abundantly clear.

You're just a bad citizen, a bad neighbor, and part of the problem.

"Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again." - Karl Popper
ITN/IBD Fraud exposed:  The 2nd LTD add on claiming radiance from cooler bodies can't be absorbed Max Planck debunks, they can't explain:net-thermal-radiation-you-in-a-room-as-a-reference & Proof: no data is valid for IBD or ITN

HarveyH55 wrote:Last time I had a tetanus shot, I thought I was going to die...

gfm7175 wrote:
I'm not opposed to childhood immunization.