Electricity

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

GasGuzzler wrote:
The majority of US electricity is created by burning oil.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Gasoline is made from refined oil.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Biden refuses to unleash American oil.

GasGuzzler wrote:
Electricity AND gas prices are only going up.

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
The majority of US electricity is created by burning oil.

Not quite true. The majority of electricity in the US is from natural gas and coal.
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GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
The majority of US electricity is created by burning oil.

Not quite true. The majority of electricity in the US is from natural gas and coal.
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Yup, I stand corrected....I was thinking largest single share ...if I remember right it's 35-40% is generated by oil.

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

GasGuzzler wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:
The majority of US electricity is created by burning oil.

Not quite true. The majority of electricity in the US is from natural gas and coal.
[

Yup, I stand corrected....I was thinking largest single share ...if I remember right it's 35-40% is generated by oil.

And apparently my memory sucks!

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Climate cannot change.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Climate cannot change.

Climate is always changing, and always will.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Climate cannot change.

Climate is always changing, and always will.

Climate has no value associated with it. It cannot change.

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Climate cannot change.

Climate is always changing, and always will.

Climate has no value associated with it. It cannot change.

Actually climate has many values associated with it.

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote:

keepit wrote:
So, the price of electricity is going to go up, maybe way up, because of an increase in the number of electric vehicles and electric stoves and other electric items. And also because of the cost of the infrastructure needed to be built to support the new electric demand. Then the cost of gas will go down, maybe way down, because of the reduced demand for gas operated items that won't be needed so much anymore.
The problem is that politicians make decisions about these sorts of things and they really don't understand much science and they think they know the future of things, and they just don't.
Neither do i !!

Green Hydrogen Isn't So Green
Companies like SoCalGas insist that their hydrogen will be clean, but that's a lofty promise to make when currently 95% of hydrogen energy comes from fracked gas. The other 5%, called "green" hydrogen, comes from splitting water molecules with electricity from renewable energy.

But even if industry could produce "green" hydrogen at scale, it would still be wasteful and inefficient. Compared to renewable-powered batteries, which are 80% efficient, hydrogen fuel cells are only 30%. That makes hydrogen far more expensive than renewable-based electric power.

What's more, hydrogen is a thirsty power source. Throughout its life cycle, each megawatt-hour of "green" hydrogen consumes at least 5,000 liters of water. Compare that to solar, which uses 20 liters per MWh, or wind, which uses just 1 liter per MWh.

Climate change already threatens our water supplies. L.A. and the rest of California is in the midst of a megadrought. A huge hydrogen buildout will only make things worse.

We can't even be sure that "green" hydrogen will actually create no emissions. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, making it more likely than methane to leak. But if it does, we are in trouble. Hydrogen molecules have a global warming potential 11 times greater than carbon dioxide.

Moreover, SoCalGas, the utility behind L.A.'s hydrogen plans, has a scary track record when it comes to leaks. In 2015, it subjected L.A. to the largest methane leak in U.S. history.

The utility's Aliso Canyon storage facility leaked for 100 days. SoCalGas failed to monitor the facility properly or immediately report the leak to officials, leading to the evacuation of thousands of residents. Now consider this: hydrogen leaks are even less regulated than methane leaks.

Green Hydrogen Risks Dangers in Our Homes and Backyards
Hydrogen poses other health and safety risks to communities. It's volatile and flammable, even more so than fracked gas. Hydrogen pipelines have already caused explosions, posing major dangers to communities near that infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen is currently stored as ammonia, a hazardous chemical that can cause death in high concentrations.

Public health risks go beyond pipelines and facilities and into homes. Utilities have proposed blending hydrogen with methane in power plants and utility lines to burn for home heating.

Not only is this wildly inefficient compared to electric heating — burning hydrogen can lead to nitrogen oxide pollution six times greater than burning fracked gas. Such pollution is an ingredient for particulate matter and ozone, which cause respiratory illnesses that already plague frontline communities.

These communities, disproportionately home to people of color, have been sacrifice zones for decades of industrial activity. Hydrogen will only entrench this environmental racism.

Dirty Energy Companies Hide Behind Green Hydrogen
It's no coincidence that some of the dirtiest polluters are heavily investing in "green" hydrogen. Too often, they use these projects to greenwash the expansion of pipelines or power plants.

There's no way we can take these companies seriously when they say they're fighting climate change. Dirty energy utilities have hidden the dangers of climate change for decades. SoCalGas even spent ratepayer funds to lobby against climate action. And utilities are widely stalling on their climate promises: all talk, no walk.

We can't trust companies like SoCalGas with our clean energy future. If allowed, they'll gobble up our tax dollars through hydrogen subsidies and raise rates to help cover the expensive projects, too.

Climate cannot change.

Climate is always changing, and always will.

Climate has no value associated with it. It cannot change.

Actually climate has many values associated with it.

None.

Swan wrote:
None that ...

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote: Actually climate has many values associated with it.

None.

None that your meager government paycheck IQ can comprehend. Yawn

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote:

Into the Night wrote:

Swan wrote: Actually climate has many values associated with it.

None.

None that your meager government paycheck IQ can comprehend. Yawn

Too funny! I mean WAY too funny!

Not only did you lead with "Actually," (to give us your usual heads-up that you are about to post something totally absurd) but you proceeded to claim that "climate has many values" ... and still haven't listed any examples! You could have ended this immediately with some examples ... but apparently you don't have any ... and so you led with "Actually," ... and my universe remains consistent.

I hope you have a great rest of your day.

Swan wrote: Actually, the last ice age happened, ...

Swan wrote: Actually there are no laws preventing retards like you from being retarded, as retards are people too.

IBdaMann wrote:

Swan wrote: Actually, the last ice age happened, ...

Case in point. Thank you. By the way, you needn't repeat that you believe in ice ages. I got it. First Amendment, baby. You get to believe whatever you want to believe.

You go, girl!

Swan wrote: Actually there are no laws preventing retards like you from being retarded, as retards are people too.

I see you were quick to take advantage of said freedom to be retarded. Unfortunately for me I didn't respond when my name was called (I was listening to Rammstein on the headphones and I was thinking only of conquering Europe) so I missed out.

What is it like being retarded? Is it bliss as well?